Below 1440p yes, significant bottlenecking for sure. Even bottlenecking at up to 1600p actually.

Zen 3 upgrade only makes sense if you're playing at lower resolutions and you want to hit very high framerates consistently (>120fps).

Running with power plan + PBO?

Windows Balanced Power Plan and no PBO.

main proof that you are noob is that you keep asking about bottlenecking

with a 3080ti, you are going to hit 60-100fps consistently in all or most games at 1080p and 1440p anyway.
even with just a r9 290, i can hit 50fps in most games i play at 4k.

if you are getting 100fps with a 3700x, while your friend is getting 120fps with a 11900k.
both guys are playing at 1080p, then you are just being pedantic.

20fps = 20% is alot altho not just 11900k, ryzen 3000 series suffers significant lower fps even compared to a 10400F in 1080p (with similar ram speed). Which is why most will recommend a 5000 series upgrade for gaming, not the G sku with half the cache tho...

And there are still many people who uses 1080p like me so the difference still matters.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Aug 24 2021, 01:15 PM

my point is at 100fps, does it really matter?

60hz monitor then not really. However a monitor with 120 or 144hz and beyond, 100 and 120 is night and day.... enough to ruin a shot, especially if the player is competitive.

60fps vs 120fps on a monitor is significant, but the former is still playable and enjoyable.

However 60fps in VR is next to unplayable. So that's where 120fps as a minimum is mandatory.

It's all relative, you can't make a blanket judgment.

No PBO? bios disable? So you running on base clock?

No PBO = stock.

for the adventurous
Turns out there's a way to run Zen 3 on an Asus X370 board... By using an Asrock B450 board's BIOS
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/pahr4...n_3_on_an_asus/
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?9...e272#post829851

Thanks TristanX. I finally remember this pass whole year which i really forgotten my 3700x was set running in PBO all core in 4225MHz.
Set everything back to Default now. Max Temp is below 70c most of the time

This post has been edited by WillSmith: Aug 24 2021, 06:41 PM


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Thanks appreciate it. Whilst FPS matters to me because I tend to play a bit more competitively (just by nature), it is mostly for 1440p. Right now, I can't get a stable 144FPS (currently averaging around 110-125FPS at 1440p) whilst compared to my friend with the 5600x CPU and the 3080 GPU, he gets about 150-160 FPS (with exactly the same settings and 1440p monitor). Personally, I feel that just because of the CPU that I am missing out and was thinking of initially just swapping out the CPU. Haven't made the decision yet to do it as due to work commitments, I don't have the time to play FPS games at the moment.

Then just cap the game to 117fps, set monitor refresh rate to 120hz and call it a day?
141fps @ 144hz is really not a whole lot different to 117fps @ 120hz, despite what marketing and armchair believers will tell you.

Sure you're theoretically "wasting" your 3080Ti, but if it makes you feel any better - I really only play tekken 7, a 6 year old game that could run on a toaster and it's locked to 60fps at 1440p. There, I'm wasting my 3080 more than you're wasting your 3080Ti.

Otherwise just run at a higher resolution using DSR if you feel you need to put your GPU to use.

This post has been edited by SSJBen: Aug 25 2021, 03:33 PM

switch on PBO.
no time to play, not worth switch
I have a 5800X that I only play games on during the weekend.
even then, only 5 hours max a day

Tried that but that same niggling feeling keeps irritating me. Right now it still doesn't bother me until perhaps when Battlefield 2042 comes out, maybe that is when I will just swap out the CPU.

Yeap, 3000 series will miss out alot of fps as it doesnt have the big shared cache like the 5000 series. That's why i will always recommend 10400F over 3600 for budget builds because even a 10400F actually performs better than a 3900x when it comes to gpu bottleneck. (When properly tuned aka ram and cache OC, the 10400F matches a stock 5600x in games fps)

So on your predicament. Just go ahead and grab a 5900x. Try to scalp that 3700x on People who die die wants an AMD cpu, i think still alot of buyers. (I actually sold my 3000 series higher than what i paid for brand new early this year )

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Aug 25 2021, 08:21 PM

Cool, thanks for the tip!

General rule:

Tier 1 gaming CPUs:
Ryzen 5000 (preferably non-G)
Intel gen11 Rocket Lake
Intel gen10 + B560 chipset (budget build option)

Tier 2:
Intel gen8/9/10 without B560 or Z series chipset
Ryzen 3000

Tier 3:
Ryzen 4000/2000/1000
Intel gen7 and earlier

Ryzen 3000 used to be tier 1 budget options, only because of the lack of B560 chipsets and higher Intel CPU prices earlier making them less price competitive.

yeap, back then 10400F costs a bit more than 3600 as well making them not too ideal considering productivity it loses to 3600.. and a Z board is needed to use its full potential.

But late 2020 price slash....and 2021 B560 board appears. it became a no brainer budget choice

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Aug 26 2021, 11:23 PM