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Bonchi
post Mar 12 2021, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Mar 12 2021, 01:58 PM)
High end and power sucking devices may need USB 3.0 or powered hub. Even my USB 3.1 HDD enclosure will not work on some of the USB 3.0 port. I had to use powered USB 3.0 hub for it or USB 3.1 ports.
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But my z490 board doesnt show these behaviors. while both b450 and B550 have.

Had to leave some USB ports empty on my AMD else all the ports will go haywire. using a powered hub tends to work better than plugging into multiple usb port on the rear i/o.

MSI b450i gaming plus AC, Gigabyte B550i pro AX

Ryzen 3600, corsair SF750.

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post Mar 12 2021, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 12 2021, 03:01 PM)
But my z490 board doesnt show these behaviors. while both b450 and B550 have.

Had to leave some USB ports empty on my AMD else all the ports will go haywire. using a powered hub tends to work better than plugging into multiple usb port on the rear i/o.

MSI b450i gaming plus AC, Gigabyte B550i pro AX

Ryzen 3600, corsair SF750.
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Depends on age as well. I had to buy new cable for some of my stuffs too. Been looking for quality USB cables these days.

Yeah, powered usb hub takes power requirements off your USB port.
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post Mar 12 2021, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Mar 12 2021, 03:17 PM)
Depends on age as well. I had to buy new cable for some of my stuffs too. Been looking for quality USB cables these days.

Yeah, powered usb hub takes power requirements off your USB port.
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Changed alot of USB cables and very high quality shielded ones as well primarily because of my audio hobby.

Amd just epic fail here. Powered USB hubs tend to be noisy too, that's why i try to avoid that and only use them for my sim racing rig.

anyways, in the end, the best solution for me is switching to intel laugh.gif dont have to wait till April to know the AGESA fix works or not.
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post Mar 12 2021, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 12 2021, 03:27 PM)
Changed alot of USB cables and very high quality shielded ones as well primarily because of my audio hobby.

Amd just epic fail here. Powered USB hubs tend to be noisy too, that's why i try to avoid that and only use them for my sim racing rig.

anyways, in the end, the best solution for me is switching to intel laugh.gif dont have to wait till April to know the AGESA fix works or not.
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Yeah, I recently bought Anker cables. Tired of crap quality cables on sale.

I didn't face USB dropouts. I had powered hub all the time. It does not fix USB 3.1 enclosure with HDD inside dropout I tested not long ago though.

My USB hub is Orico. Its "branded". Its not cheap though.
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post Mar 12 2021, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 12 2021, 03:01 PM)
But my z490 board doesnt show these behaviors. while both b450 and B550 have.

Had to leave some USB ports empty on my AMD else all the ports will go haywire. using a powered hub tends to work better than plugging into multiple usb port on the rear i/o.

MSI b450i gaming plus AC, Gigabyte B550i pro AX

Ryzen 3600, corsair SF750.
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To be frank, it's a toss up.

Back on Intel system, whenenver I connected an external HDD my wireless logitech K400 would go insane and have a massive amount of lag/drop connection although funny enough other wireless devices like the Xbox controller and Logitech GPro mice is fine.
Connecting an external HDD will also cause DPC latency to spike to insane levels, so audio data streams crackles due to loss in data packets. This hasn't happen on AMD IME.

Both platforms has issues.

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post Mar 12 2021, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 12 2021, 03:34 PM)
To be frank, it's a toss up.

Back on Intel system, whenenver I connected an external HDD my wireless logitech K400 would go insane and have a massive amount of lag/drop connection although funny enough other wireless devices like the Xbox controller and Logitech GPro mice is fine.
Connecting an external HDD will also cause DPC latency to spike to insane levels, so audio data streams crackles due to loss in data packets. This hasn't happen on AMD IME.

Both platforms has issues.
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Agreed. just this time on my AMD, it's gotten too ridiculous... to the point that i might as well just not use my pc at all, as you can recall at the nvidia tered, After swapping to the 3080, my pc gotten even more unstable that i just left it off for 2 months. Changed to B550i and then left it off again.

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 12 2021, 03:41 PM)
Agreed. just this time on my AMD, it's gotten too ridiculous... to the point that i might as well just not use my pc at all, as you can recall at the nvidia tered, After swapping out the 3080, my pc gotten even more unstable that i just left it off for 2 months
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A lot of it has also gotta do with wintrash. These issues seldom happen over on Linux or Mac, no matter the hardware used.
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post Mar 12 2021, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 12 2021, 11:59 AM)
Could be due to die deterioration too. my ryzen also start to show signs weeks after use and then it's just an endless troubleshoot.

your ram will be the first suspect in this whole case. just run them at 2444mhz for a few months and see. Remove most components, set pcie to gen3, use only 1 hdd drive and monitor. reformat your PC.

Or just go with intel if youre tired of AMD's reliability issues.

as for the idle voltage and temps... Just forget about it and let the cpu bake itself. it's a ryzen behavior and not a bug. If you want it to truly idle then you just check your task manager and close everything that is running, especially afterburner and all monitoring apps.
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QUOTE(targon @ Mar 12 2021, 02:50 PM)
They all happens when the cpu in idle mode for random WHEA also when in bios default settings with NO XMP enabled. Make sure it's not caused by other issues or drivers or any OC settings.
Your only best solution is to RMA the cpu. And welcome to the club. another casualty to add to the statistics in https://www.overclock.net/threads/replaced-...eboots.1774627/
5950x are very prone to random WHEA blue screen.
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Think I just discovered the reason the random blue screen and sometime reboot without bluescreen.
I overloaded my PSU. laugh.gif
I forgot I replugged my GTX 970 back into 5950x mainboard.......and the psu is Seasonic M12 520W PSU..... sweat.gif
Gotta purchase proper PSU next time. For now, 95W eco mode.


Still need to figure out what is going on the voltage.
Anyone with Zen 3 CPU here can check their CPU Core Voltage (SVI2 TFN) using HWinfo and mainboard model?
I wonder if this is specific to Zen 3. hmm.gif
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post Mar 12 2021, 04:01 PM

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https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-issui...-in-early-april

AMD says a BIOS fix for the USB issue is coming in April... I wonder what the "fix" really entails?
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post Mar 12 2021, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 12 2021, 03:43 PM)
A lot of it has also gotta do with wintrash. These issues seldom happen over on Linux or Mac, no matter the hardware used.
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Janji my problem all solved with intel so I not gonna have faith with AMD anymore in terms of reliability, plus this USB is not my only issue with them.

QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Mar 12 2021, 04:01 PM)
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-issui...-in-early-april

AMD says a BIOS fix for the USB issue is coming in April... I wonder what the "fix" really entails?
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Or maybe it fixes nothing, as usual laugh.gif

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post Mar 12 2021, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Mar 12 2021, 03:48 PM)
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Think I just discovered the reason the random blue screen and sometime reboot without bluescreen.
I overloaded my PSU. laugh.gif
I forgot I replugged my GTX 970 back into 5950x mainboard.......and the psu is Seasonic M12 520W PSU..... sweat.gif
Gotta purchase proper PSU next time. For now, 95W eco mode.
Still need to figure out what is going on the voltage.
Anyone with Zen 3 CPU here can check their CPU Core Voltage (SVI2 TFN) using HWinfo and mainboard model?
I wonder if this is specific to Zen 3.  hmm.gif
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My 5900x does go down to 1.08-1.1v during idle. By idle I really do mean absolutely ZERO process happening. I have to kill RTSS, Afterburner, iCUE and LGS for that to work.

On my 3900x, it was hovering around 1.28-1.35v on idle.


QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Mar 12 2021, 04:01 PM)
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-issui...-in-early-april

AMD says a BIOS fix for the USB issue is coming in April... I wonder what the "fix" really entails?
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Hope it's not nerfing PCIE-4.0.
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post Mar 12 2021, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 12 2021, 04:05 PM)
Or maybe it fixes nothing, as usual laugh.gif
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u mean fix one issue, create 10 more new issues, as usual laugh.gif
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Mar 12 2021, 03:48 PM)
bangwall.gif
Think I just discovered the reason the random blue screen and sometime reboot without bluescreen.
I overloaded my PSU. laugh.gif
I forgot I replugged my GTX 970 back into 5950x mainboard.......and the psu is Seasonic M12 520W PSU..... sweat.gif
Gotta purchase proper PSU next time. For now, 95W eco mode.
Still need to figure out what is going on the voltage.
Anyone with Zen 3 CPU here can check their CPU Core Voltage (SVI2 TFN) using HWinfo and mainboard model?
I wonder if this is specific to Zen 3.  hmm.gif
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U re sure PSU ? 970 doesn't really consume that much power.
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post Mar 12 2021, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Mar 12 2021, 03:48 PM)
Anyone with Zen 3 CPU here can check their CPU Core Voltage (SVI2 TFN) using HWinfo and mainboard model?
I wonder if this is specific to Zen 3.  hmm.gif
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Mine is hovering around 1.3V, rare drops to 1.0-1.2V. It's not truly idle though, HWInfo, MSI Afterburner, couple other apps are still running. No WHEAs reported since I was tuning Curve Optimizer early last month.

GTX 970 is a 150+W TDP card, it would be rather poor for the PSU if it's already overloading from that.
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post Mar 12 2021, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Mar 12 2021, 04:54 PM)
Mine is hovering around 1.3V, rare drops to 1.0-1.2V. It's not truly idle though, HWInfo, MSI Afterburner, couple other apps are still running. No WHEAs reported since I was tuning Curve Optimizer early last month.

GTX 970 is a 150+W TDP card, it would be rather poor for the PSU if it's already overloading from that.
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5950x 200w + 150w = 350w, should be still within the safe zone. Perhaps the eco mode is what preventing the whea errors. afterall it seems it was running fine until recently.
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QUOTE(targon @ Mar 12 2021, 04:35 PM)
U re sure PSU ? 970 doesn't really consume that much power.
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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Mar 12 2021, 04:54 PM)
Mine is hovering around 1.3V, rare drops to 1.0-1.2V. It's not truly idle though, HWInfo, MSI Afterburner, couple other apps are still running. No WHEAs reported since I was tuning Curve Optimizer early last month.

GTX 970 is a 150+W TDP card, it would be rather poor for the PSU if it's already overloading from that.
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 12 2021, 05:02 PM)
5950x 200w + 150w = 350w, should be still within the safe zone. Perhaps the eco mode is what preventing the whea errors. afterall it seems it was running fine until recently.
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5950X PBO mode + OC-ed GTX970 + six 3.5" HDDs + 2 NVME SSDs + 4 external HDDs + 4 DIMMs RAM OC-ed + X570 mainboard (chipset, soundchip, LAN chips, onboard bluetooth + WLAN etc) + 4 120mm fans.

I think it way over what Seasonic M12 520W PSU can supply considering the efficiency is 80% = 416W effective.

Using "ECO Mode 65W" at BIOS limit the actual CPU usage to 95W. Pretty much no random reboot now.

Guess the overheated PSU has issue delivering low voltage/current after heavy loading. When I think about it, the random reboot blue screen and no blue screen reboot happened after I ended a heavy session.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 12 2021, 04:06 PM)
My 5900x does go down to 1.08-1.1v during idle. By idle I really do mean absolutely ZERO process happening. I have to kill RTSS, Afterburner, iCUE and LGS for that to work.

On my 3900x, it was hovering around 1.28-1.35v on idle.
Hope it's not nerfing PCIE-4.0.
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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Mar 12 2021, 04:54 PM)
Mine is hovering around 1.3V, rare drops to 1.0-1.2V. It's not truly idle though, HWInfo, MSI Afterburner, couple other apps are still running. No WHEAs reported since I was tuning Curve Optimizer early last month.

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Hmm......guess I am the only one with this voltage issue. This is really strange. I can only hope that constant 1.45v cpu core voltage (SVI2 TFN) will not kill the cpu..... sad.gif

There is nothing running on my 5950x PC, yet the voltage stay at 1.45V.
Selecting Power Saver will drop the voltage to 1.0V.
But I thought ZEN 3 doesn't need special power plan? confused.gif
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post Mar 12 2021, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Mar 12 2021, 05:57 PM)
Hmm......guess I am the only one with this voltage issue. This is really strange. I can only hope that constant 1.45v cpu core voltage (SVI2 TFN) will not kill the cpu..... sad.gif

There is nothing running on my 5950x PC, yet the voltage stay at 1.45V.
Selecting Power Saver will drop the voltage to 1.0V.
But I thought ZEN 3 doesn't need special power plan? :confused:
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No, it is a must to set the special ryzen powerplan. Zen2 and Zen3 behavior is the same as afterall the IOD used is exactly the same. The only difference of zen3 is the rearrangement of the cores and the L3 cache in the CCX that increases the IPC. Apart from that, most symptoms such as crashing, high idle boosting behavior, ram compatibility is the same between both.

The high idle voltage is also another of my major complain about ryzen and one of the reason i sold it. my 3600 never go below 1.3v unless i shut off everything then it will be 0.9v.. with the balance ryzen powerplan

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Mar 12 2021, 05:53 PM)
5950X PBO mode + OC-ed GTX970 + six 3.5" HDDs + 2 NVME SSDs + 4 external HDDs + 4 DIMMs RAM OC-ed + X570 mainboard (chipset, soundchip, LAN chips, onboard bluetooth + WLAN etc) + 4 120mm fans.

I think it way over what Seasonic M12 520W PSU can supply considering the efficiency is 80% = 416W effective.

Using "ECO Mode 65W" at BIOS limit the actual CPU usage to 95W. Pretty much no random reboot now.

Guess the overheated PSU has issue delivering low voltage/current after heavy loading. When I think about it, the random reboot blue screen and no blue screen reboot happened after I ended a heavy session.
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You misalculated the 80plus PSU, your PSU still using 520W at full load, but it draw 600+ Watt from socket, remaining 20% become heat, that's what 80plus means.
The higher the efficiency, the lower the heat.
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Mar 12 2021, 08:19 PM)
You misalculated the 80plus PSU, your PSU still using 520W at full load, but it draw 600+ Watt from socket, remaining 20% become heat, that's what 80plus means.
The higher the efficiency, the lower the heat.
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Perhaps my ancient psu is showing its age instead.
It is close to 10 years of usage after all. laugh.gif

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