Sounds plausible, 5950X could also be AMD not aggressively binning the dies enough. 3950X also wasn't available at launch for Zen2, presumably due to insufficient low power 8-core dies. Perhaps there wasn't enough either this time round, and chips that would have been better fit for a 5800X were used instead for it?

I didn't read much into it, but I remember there was some talks where some 5800x were sold with dual chiplets and they're actually just 5950x with one defective/disabled chiplet.

May sound like a conspiracy theory but the fact that they rated their 5950x for the highest amount of cores with the highest clock speeds, having enough samples logically speaking isn't going to be easy especially in these times with tsmc tapped out from all corners.

dont forget, there are people especially murica who RMA when there's no problem but the silicon is not good enough to reach their desired overclocking results.... Eventho the rma is likely be sent back to them but it will be considered as an RMA instance. Meanwhile the other statistics by powergpu for Ryzen was based on DOA, so I guess there's a difference as they are a pc builder who build and test before selling it out, and is genuinely faulty not simply RMAing because it cant OC well.

As for 10850K high RMA ... I assume it is due to users expect it will OC like a 10900K but it turns out that it doesnt so they RMA. If im not mistaken, 10900K can easily 5.2ghz at 1.26V... 10850K may need up to 1.35V if that's even possible and you can imagine the stress it puts on the VRM... there's quite a big difference between the 2.

and well... I gotta admit I also used to try my luck to rma poor overclocking cpu back in the days.

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I'm fairly active on the Asus CH8 OC and owner's thread, from our collective reports there - the CPU that has the most issues are indeed the 5950x. More often than not, you will see people complaining that they can't even boot beyond 3600mhz/1800mhz IF, these are Zen 2 speeds lol!

Of course some BIOS releases has helped alleviate such cases recently, but it's not untrue that 5950x is currently the CPU to avoid, besides the 5800x which is of a silly value to begin with.

Mindfactory is a German site so no idea if Germans are like muricans when it comes to RMA because it's not a golden sample.

Sadly 5800X is the easiest CPU to get due to its poor value, otherwise I'd be rocking a 5900X now.

yupe, I'm sticking with 5800X now because even if 5900X stock available the price now jacked up
hoping got 5900XT version later then I would swap

Too bad 5900x is like a unicorn.


I don't know how or why they would have another XT refresh. We're half way point through Q1 21 now, 5900x doesn't exist. 5950x and 5800x are a joke and the last remaining 5600x is price jacked sky high.

IF or by the time they have a XT refresh, Zen 4 would be like right around the bend. What's the damn point lol?
That's also besides the fact that XT should have the best bins in the respective SKUs, considering they're having trouble even hitting the lofty numbers right now, I don't think things will change very much in the next 6-8 months.

same questions were asked for the zen 2 XT variants

anyways just hoping only, else I'll just stick with 5800X or swap to 5900X if back to launch price later this year

Zen 2 XT variants at least had a legit reason because the 7nm yields has improved and the bins were better. 3900XTs actually clocked really well. So they used the Zen 2 XTs as a "test bed" for the improved 7nm bins to be used on Zen 3.

Zen 3 XT though... for what? Zen 4 is going to be on 5nm and on a whole new platform. Only way I see it is to entice Zen 2 users to jump into an overpriced upgrade.

capitalizing all the left over good ccx dies for the higest possible margin.. the crappy ones as you know are all dumped into 3100 and 3300

Even then there wasn't a lot of 3300X to begin with, just enough batches to steal 10100's thunder, then when a few months later - OOS everywhere.

3600 stocks started drying up towards the end of last year too, most retailers only had 3600X instead as well IIRC.

i guess there were not much "left overs" to begin with... kinda like "here's a bin full of crappy dies, lets make something out of this to sell"

I won't be surprised they have more I/O dies than CPU dies, hence more CPUs pushed out as 5600X/5800X too.

Should I consider myself lucky that my 5950x IF is perfectly stable at 1866Mhz and RAM running at 3733Mhz?

That sounds plausible yes.


Absolutely. Should be polishing your golden eggs that your 5950x are doing beyond stock IF speed without WHEA errors.

Already knew it from my past experience with it. Been telling ppl to be vary of 5950x.
It would be a damn lucky chip if it doesn't Bsod at stock settings or run IF beyond 1800
Updated Agessa is not going to fully solve a poor silicon chip to begin with.
If anyone is unfortunate enough to have bought a sucker poor quality chip that bsod/whea errors , RMA for a better stable chip is the best solution

Well unfortunately too many people are ignorant to the Zen 3 issues.

Of course I'm sure that there are more happy customers than there are angry ones, but doesn't discount the fact that there are still problems out there that AMD doesn't seem to want to acknowledge...

not just not acknowledging.. but made worse by some of their toxic fans turning it into a user problem instead, especially when it comes to RAM stick choices and various other hardware/software compatibility.

AMD fanboys have been around forever. Just that they're less quiet now because Zen2/3 is a far cry from Bulldozer tier garbage.

Hi guys. This is my first time posting here. As im building my rig. And Im too hasty... i found myself a 5800x and 5900x.

Before i put it to my motherboard. Which one will you guys think i should keep.

I just do normal gaming only and going to use this desktop for working purposes more.