Hi Guys,

Need your opinion on nowadays system build.

I haven't being much into PC build since 2012. I'm still with my Ivy Bridge system currently.  So next few month I'm planning to build a new system for myself.

I'm looking at both platform: here are my choice of hardware spec:

AMD:

Ryzen 9 5900x
MSI X570 Tomahawk Wifi
Corsair VG PRO RGB 3200 DDR4 CL16 (32GB kit)

Intel:

Core i9-10900K/10850K
MSI Z490 Tomahawk
Corsair VG Pro RGB 3200 DDR4 CL16 (32GB kit)

I already own PSU CM V1200 / GFX card XFX RX580 / SSD ADATA & Seagate nvme.

So I need your opinion should I go with AMD build or Intel?  is AMD system fuss free and stable enough like Intel system?

I don't game much, basically I play around with light photo editing and some light video editing (Filmora) and some VMware (Hyper-V) and (VmPlayer)
thank.

Intel at this point is still more fuss free and stable than AMD. Any issues with Intel, 9/10 times you can find the solution and pinpoint the problem. With AMD, you're going to have to do quite a bit of digging and only to come up with a band aid fix rather than a proper solution.

That said, it's undeniable that Zen 3 does have the performance advantage in multi threaded work loads. So if your work requires that and time = money, Zen 3 is your only choice.

Noted on that and thanks.

From what I see, Zen 3 is great if the issues does not hit you. It comes with great performance. You have to bet on luck, the RAM you have and the motherboard BIOS. No issue for me for out of the box settings.

Intel has a lot less issues due to mature platform and better idle power management. Never heard of stability issues. Still stuck at 14nm which will consume more power and produce more heat.

Ic... so what you means its kind of a gamble with AMD system? so if I choose AMD, I have to look into specific Mobo bios and Ram specification chip?

Ic... so what you means its kind of a gamble with AMD system? so if I choose AMD, I have to look into specific Mobo bios and Ram specification chip?

Yeah, there is a gamble if you are going with 5900X. Go for Asus high end boards. nrw should be able to point you to the right direction for the RAM. I think Samsung B-die and Micron E-die chips for the RAM.

Somewhat of a gamble, yes.

Situation has been getting better with the latest BIOS updates though. There are still a few annoying kinks they have to work out, like PCIE 4.0 causing USB and audio drop outs for example. But with AMD, we don't know when an issue will get a fix because they're always tight lipped about such things.

boards imho I'd rather get B550 over x570 unless you need those extra pcie4.0 lanes.
ram yeah... b-die or rev. e kits as mentioned. the rev e got to be imported.

currently I am still testing a cheap hynix djr kit. will share once I am done. this one works well after tweaking, not so sure though if it will work well out of the box with all boards.

beast921 what are your requirements for the board in terms of connectivity and do you plan to OC?

consider the b550 tomahawk (or the gaming edge wifi if you need wifi 6) or a step up the b550 gaming carbon wifi for the best vrm (excluding some boards that cost RM1.2k+)

all perfectly capable of powering your 5900x. even cheaper boards would be able to do that comfortably btw. it's just that the temps on those gonna be higher yet far from throttling.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dsu...t#gid=527992713

Collection of Ram used, tested by user. stumble this from dunno which Youtube reviewer ady 

Noted on that and thanks.

It depends if you don't end up building until early 2021 because of availability then a lot of the finicky issues with bios/posting with memory above 3200mhz on certain boards (users on the msi reddit are experiencing all sorts of memory related problems) will probably be solved through bios updates by the time it's easy to buy a Ryzen 5000 series cpu.

The ram issue has been a thing on Ryzen since the beginning, you want 3200-3600mhz with the lowest cas rating you can afford ideally CL14 I think is what they're recommending and showing numbers for in reviews. Ryzens performance is definitely dependant on getting a good kit of ram and running it at the correct speed. This also applies to Intel to though you don't really want to run 2133mhz on either platform because they both scale pretty well up to 4000mhz. I think the key difference here is that on Intel you'll set XMP the SA and IO voltage and be set, on Ryzen it can be about that easy or you may need to break out the ryzen dram calculator and futz around for 12 hours tweaking till it's perfect and stable. Some people enjoy that process of tweaking the memory, you may not have to at all but if you absolutely are disinterested in mucking about with memory settings than I personally think after building both Intel and Ryzen systems that Intel is easier to setup and kind of "just works" right out of the box. But again Intel has been on skylake for 5 generations now so the platform is very mature, I'm interested to see how Rocket Lake does as that is Intels first real architecture change since 2016. We'll see how the reliability and stability stacks up against AMD then.

The temperature issues may be solved by AMD through Agesa updates or by the board manufacturers through bios a lot of times "auto" settings on a brand new cpu launch run high voltages to ensure compatibility which can also be the cause of high temperatures but Ryzen 7nm just seems prone to pretty large spikes or jumps in temperature, some users posting that so much as moving the mouse cursor can spike temperatures 10-15c others reporting 40-55c idle temperatures and temperature up to 70c while browsing the web. Now some users are reporting good temperatures overall so what cooling solution you use and ambient temperature play a large role in what numbers you'll get but I don't blame you for being concerned people with custom water cooling or high end air cooling like NH-D15 are getting not unsafe numbers but temps around 80-90c are not ideal to say the least. I would say this is less likely to be "fixed" long term it's not impossible that's it's a software or bios issue but it could also be a manufacturing variation on the IHS or just that 7nm is dense and hard to cool. If temperature spikes are a deal breaker than I'd say Intel is the safer bet right now today, 10th gen Intel has even better thermals than 9th gen. Also on a personal note I don't like how the Ryzen CPUs run high voltage even if it's at idle (1.5v) I know they draw less power than Intel right now but anything over 1.35v seems wrong to me and I felt the same way about my amd vega gpus with 1.2v stock voltage compared to the 1.060v my nvidia gpus run stock.

Availability seems pretty bad overall right now, not unlike Intel launches of the past or Nvidia's recent 3000 series launch. The demand for hardware right now in general is fairly insane but considering the state of the world and how most people are now working or going to school from home it makes sense that a lot of machines are being built or upgraded. But I also remember the gpu mining craze and the ddr4 shortage so I don't know I feel like hardware availability has been weird for years.

I don't edit but I'm sure that the 10900k is more than capable of 4k video editing however the Ryzen 5900x you're interested in having more cores and ipc will probably do a better job at that task.

I don't think you can really go wrong with either early 2021, the Intel 10th gen system is a very mature platform so it should work right out of the box which is very important to me and as an added bonus you can buy Intel 10th gen right now. Rocket Lake is coming soon too but with 2 cores and 4 threads less than the 10900k and reliability/stability compared to comet lake is yet to be seen we are also switching from ringbus to mesh for the cache which may have a negative impact on certain games performance but if it's good then it's a drop in upgrade on the Z490 lga1200 socket that also brings pcie gen 4 with it which is kind of interesting that Z490 has a clear upgrade path to the 11th gen but it looks like Ryzen 5000 is most likely the last upgrade on AM4 so something to consider. I've noticed that boot/shutdown/restart are way faster on intel around 10-15 seconds versus 30-40 on AMD even when using sabrent pcie gen 4 drive with my 3700x if that matters to you. The AMD Ryzen system feels more modern to me with PCIE gen 4 more actual PCIE lanes (20vs16) and features for the GPU like SAM if you also buy a 6000 series graphics card. But I feel like the AMD system is more prone to issues with the memory/temperature/pcie4.0 and software like ryzen master ( I prefer doing everything in bios) which could hamper the user experience and make the system feel less premium long term if you're constantly dealing with BSOD or instability to post or any other weird gremlins that have been posted by other users.

Personally I would go Intel I find all the issues surrounding AMD Ryzen completely unacceptable for my own personal machines and the overall dismissal of these issues or even acknowledgement of these issues on the varying hardware sub reddits compounds my inability to support AMD. I've seen more than once the builder of an AMD machine be dismissed and accused of flagrant incompetence by other users instead of trying to troubleshoot the builders problems. If I buy AMD and have issues I'd like to be able to rely on the forums for assistance not be called a newb who should have bought a pre built from cyberpower. All the ryzen launches have had issues and the early adopters are basically unpaid beta testers many of them will have unresolved issues for months or at least until the motherboard manufacturers start sending out better bios. There's a few other little nit picky things like AM4 vs lga1200 socket I very much prefer the lotes style clamping socket on lga1200, I've seen posts where when people remove there heat sink from there am4 cpu, the cpu comes with it stuck to the plate in many cases damaging the socket or cpu pins this is avoidable but also just seems cheap and janky to me in comparison to the intel sockets even 5 years ago.

I will quote a quality post from reddit (by Jenarix) for your dilemma

If only Linus Torvalds read this tread then only he will know how unreliable AMD is.