Actually if you guys read deeper into the BSOD and WHEA reports, most of them stemmed from early production silicons of Zen 2 and of course, Zen 3 now. Users who has issues are those with manufacturing dates early on in the product's production cycle, where as those who bought much later (like 8 months after) does seem to have no issues, this was with Zen 2 at least. Seems like Zen 3 is following the same trend.

Yes, sly AMD for keeping hush about it. But similarly, Intel was hush hush about their security flaws too. Both companies hide shit under the carpet.

@llk bro, have you use acrylic tubing before?
wanna ask which method you use to cut it? googling and read jigsaw is enough to do the job.

Acrylic you can use Dremel or glass tube cutter.

Just lightly cut around it and snap it with your hand would do.

I used this type of mini saw, required a lot of patient and must do it slowly. Now i'm using PETG tube completely, much easy to cut and it won't cracked so easily, easy to bend as well. I'm planning to switch to full copper tube in future.

cpuz benchmark bro.

thanks both for quick reply. keep buying in taobao saw frosted acrylic quite nice to go with it, now only realize that acrylic require different method to cut it (after it shipped out )
damn copper tube. will it be easy to be bend? acrylic 3x times heat duration vs petg already.

it’s just more of design error in early production and also a microcode that is full of bugs.. and not to mention agesa that is not transparent.

my amd cant do alot of things currently unless i run the stuff inside a VM lol... maybe cuz the stuff i do rapes the ram and cache more than average gamers /video renders / benchmarks and required high accuracy. So it’s crashing or errored out very frequent.. Especially during the times when I use my own rig while working from home. Remote into my company’s redundant xeon server and it works flawlessly.

Till today, amd is still full of bugs and they dont seem to be fixing it... they just ditch and move on to the next gen.. like the agesa support for b450 like completely stopped. I changed to B550 out of frustration and the stability problems gone away due to the newer agesa. But many old bugs is still not fixed.

In the end we gotta see which flaw weighs more than the other. And regarding “security flaw”... as a guy who studied cyber security and ethical hacking i wouldnt call it a purposed design error or a cover up... it’s a security breach that was found by third parties. No system is perfectly secure... it’s more on how much effort an attacker wants only. If a similar effort is being done on amd, pretty sure alot of things will pop up as well.

And lo and behold... a bunch of breaches was found on amd recently where one breach is vulnerable since bulldozer.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jan 1 2021, 02:48 PM

PETG are the easiest to bend then goes to copper because it won't crack.

Acrylic you need some patience and fire torch to bend it.

As I using borosilicate glass tube, I only can buy the pre-bended ones.

Frosted type look nice, just need more patient when you cut.
Copper tube need some tools to bend but there are pre-bent available, price also quite expensive.

This one?

Some while back I believe AMD said they'll never make AGESA transparent because they don't want their competition to know what their so called "secret sauce" is. Yes, bullshit 99. This was somewhat verified by the stilt in the Zen+ days too, I don't remember where he posted that on OCN.

Ah yes when the whole security thing blew up, AMD damn lansi saying they not affected. And of course recent security flaws they sweep under the rug.

oh was curious.. cause 5950x 670-688 etc
was it the core that boosted it or that extra cache.. seems like cache..

Mine. Is it good? All auto in stock, no overclock in Bios or Software.



This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Jan 1 2021, 04:48 PM

Yup, both 5900X and 5950X got massive cache.

I see 4.95Ghz. Thats great.

This post has been edited by TristanX: Jan 1 2021, 04:48 PM

Thanks for the information.

vulnerabilities always discovered or studied on mainstream or enterprise stuff... back then intel was kinda the monopoly so of course there are millions of cyber security students and professionals used intel as their test bed for their thesis and research. Now when amd is growing big, these people will start scrutinizing on amd.. and in just a short window, a bunch of vulnerabilities are already found... and i believe there will be more and more.

Altho as home users, just like the vulnerabilities intel poses.. we dont have to worry la.. and we’re not really affected unless got hidden sex tape or some super profitable blueprint or something lol.

Home users probably more susceptible to miners and ransomware hidden in pirated game downloads

Whether it affects home users or not is besides the question, that's another topic. But doesn't change the fact that there are security flaws on both AMD and Intel, yet both of them tries to hide it under the rug as best as possible. Doesn't happen doesn't mean it's not there, ya know? If we want to talk about transparency, both Intel and AMD were never transparent.

from last I remembered, intel didnt hide it but rather released a patch rather quickly but it has a significant performance penalty where back in the days amd fanboys laughed at intel remember? They didnt hide on the security flaw but they hide the fact that the patch causes performance loss.

you should know la.. intel cannot really hide lol.. plus they dont have hardcore fanboys to defend them apart from corporate/enterprise rats lmao.

Amd meanwhile.. hehehe they just remained silent thus far (well to be fair their software engineers still have so much more major operation flaws to fix in the microcode before they got even time to look at security)

Thanks for sharing the result. I just got my 5900x too. Hit 4950mhz max, all auto setting. Havent tweak yet.

Thinking to upgrade RAM to 2 x 16gb, any recommendation? 2 sets of 3600mhz CL16 (2 x8 gb)?

Thanks.

This post has been edited by irangan: Jan 2 2021, 03:25 AM