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post Jan 8 2021, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(Lagoo00 @ Jan 7 2021, 06:55 PM)
Hi guys , i recently upgrade to 5600x from 2600 , just wonder if i ever need to upgrade my ram too, currently runnin g.skill trident z 3200mhz cl16 at xmp
mainly focus gaming on 1440p with 3080 , so i guess the margin of fps increase is less than 10%?(10-15fps) if upgrade to 3600 cl14  confused.gif
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I think the IPC for 5600X is already really good, won't be a bottleneck for any GPU unless you are aiming for >250fps with 3090...
Anyway I also recommend just overclocking and tightening timing, rather than spending rm1k+ on 3600 CL14.
I managed to run my Ballistix at 3200 14-17-14-32-50 from XMP 3200 16-18-18-36-72.
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post Jan 8 2021, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(Lagoo00 @ Jan 7 2021, 08:09 PM)
try once , and gotta reset cmos to startup again then gave up lol , sound too complicated to me 
also dunno y , thaipoon burner cant show what die my ram is
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Take a photo of the side of your ram sticks that has the sticker on it n post here
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post Jan 8 2021, 02:16 PM

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i read here that first gen Zen 2 buyer have bsod issue, silicon issue?

im first gen Zen 2 user..bought on launch. how to check for.bsod?
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post Jan 8 2021, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(pikacu @ Jan 8 2021, 02:16 PM)
i read here that first gen Zen 2 buyer have bsod issue, silicon issue?

im first gen Zen 2 user..bought on launch. how to check for.bsod?
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No issue for me with 3900X + X570 Aorus Master + G.Skill TridentZ 16GB X2 DDR4-3200 CL16. Very difficult to hit advertised boost speed though.
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post Jan 8 2021, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(pikacu @ Jan 8 2021, 02:16 PM)
i read here that first gen Zen 2 buyer have bsod issue, silicon issue?

im first gen Zen 2 user..bought on launch. how to check for.bsod?
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silicon and agesa issue. Agesa can say like 90% solved ... only if you happen to use or do something in that 10% of instruction then it will crash, mostly seen in new launch games/softwares or windows updates.
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post Jan 8 2021, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 8 2021, 05:19 PM)
silicon and agesa issue. Agesa can say like 90% solved ... only if you happen to use or do something in that 10% of instruction then it will crash, mostly seen in new launch games/softwares or windows updates.
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can give example to test bsod?


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post Jan 8 2021, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(pikacu @ Jan 8 2021, 05:24 PM)
can give example to test bsod?
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my examples are not gaming related..

It’s mostly when running some python or nodejs instances for analytical data processing which are very cache and memory intensive. Especially on forking child process which allows nodeJS to use multiple threads.

Another that tends to crash alot is when training models on the cpu.

Arguably, some might say it’s a coding problem. However these problems never occur on intel consumer cpu and xeons and there’s no error catch found. So I’ll just put the blame on amd.

Im not a gamer so cant say much on that.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jan 8 2021, 11:34 PM
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post Jan 9 2021, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 8 2021, 11:32 PM)
my examples are not gaming related..

It’s mostly when running some python or nodejs instances for analytical data processing which are very cache and memory intensive. Especially on forking child process which allows nodeJS to use multiple threads.

Another that tends to crash alot is when training models on the cpu.

Arguably, some might say it’s a coding problem. However these problems never occur on intel consumer cpu and xeons and there’s no error catch found. So I’ll just put the blame on amd.

Im not a gamer so cant say much on that.
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can provide the code.and compiler used? guide to compile would be nice..so i can do 1:1 simulation. wanna try it on my machine
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QUOTE(pikacu @ Jan 9 2021, 12:01 AM)
can provide the code.and compiler used? guide to compile would be nice..so i can do 1:1 simulation. wanna try it on my machine
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it’s my former company’s property so i cant share. evenso, I dont have a big enough dataset to give you to reproduce those errors.

python and node dont need compilers lol. It’s an error that arises during execution. almost always certainly memory related.

from what my former team suspect, it’s somewhat .. in easier explanation, the execution caused the OS to run out of memory and crash out. Intel maybe have a better IMC so dont suffer these issues.

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 9 2021, 12:10 AM)
it’s my former company’s property so i cant share. evenso, I dont have a big enough dataset to give you to reproduce those errors.
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alright noted.

if anybody got method to bsod zen 2..please share. wanna test it on my machine.
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QUOTE(pikacu @ Jan 9 2021, 12:24 AM)
alright noted.

if anybody got method to bsod zen 2..please share. wanna test it on my machine.
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you can try google notmyfault or write a code that will rape your rams using an infinite loop. But kinda pointless because this is 100% will cause a crash.
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 9 2021, 12:39 AM)
you can try google notmyfault or write a code that will rape your rams using an infinite loop. But kinda pointless because this is 100% will cause a crash.
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yep, that test case unlikely the norm used by user/gamer.

looking to load something that commonly cause bsod like what's mentioned/trending in this thread.
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post Jan 9 2021, 02:46 AM

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QUOTE(pikacu @ Jan 9 2021, 12:45 AM)
yep,  that test case unlikely the norm used by user/gamer.

looking to load something that commonly cause bsod like what's mentioned/trending in this thread.
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Hmm bsod on what gamers might feel.

Or errors

I would
With hwinfo open. Check whea counter when doing the following
1. Run prime95 custom fft112 min/max, fft in place disable avx2/512 for few hours
2. Try Ghostrunner with rt enabled. Any crashes .. your comp aint stable
3. NFS heat night races..
4. COD warzone (free to play) any crashes your comp aint stable.

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post Jan 9 2021, 05:57 AM

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Where the heck do you guys get Ryzen 5000 from? Paying cukur price?

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post Jan 9 2021, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(Fhaarkas @ Jan 9 2021, 05:57 AM)
Where the heck do you guys get Ryzen 5000 from? Paying cukur price?
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alot of shops in lowyat offer full pc bundle preorder. pay full price up front and wait like a week to a month and you'll get it.
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QUOTE(Fhaarkas @ Jan 9 2021, 05:57 AM)
Where the heck do you guys get Ryzen 5000 from? Paying cukur price?
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Basically you can get it with agree to buy with PC bundle.
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jan 9 2021, 02:46 AM)
Hmm bsod on what gamers might feel.

Or errors

I would
With hwinfo open. Check whea counter when doing the following
1. Run prime95 custom fft112 min/max, fft in place disable avx2/512 for few hours
2. Try Ghostrunner with rt enabled. Any crashes .. your comp aint stable
3. NFS heat night races..
4. COD warzone (free to play) any crashes your comp aint stable.
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1. last i check common users/gamers dont run prime95 casually nor for fun.

will arrange footage for 2, 3 and 4.
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post Jan 9 2021, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(pikacu @ Jan 9 2021, 11:08 AM)
1. last i check common users/gamers dont run prime95 casually nor for fun.

will arrange footage for 2, 3 and 4.
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1. common gamers are dumbass
fft112 is for transient check on
cpu/cache/ram

fft112 if ram is not oced.. it wont even be stressfull
but if ram is oced.. thats +20c on temps and you be hitting vmin on cpu vcore

2,3,4.. test yourself dude. no footage needed.

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post Jan 9 2021, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(pikacu @ Jan 9 2021, 11:08 AM)
1. last i check common users/gamers dont run prime95 casually nor for fun.

will arrange footage for 2, 3 and 4.
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that's where it will simulate and force the 10% of instances that will crash a ryzen PC. By right it shouldn't crash at all on stock.

we should be expecting error free for 99%. It seems intel usually has some sort of better error catch controls so at least on my former company servers, when a task fails, the task just fails and the other services are still running. Meanwhile on an opteron/epyc, there's a chance it will just fail, bsod and reboot and you walk in the next day to find all the services has been reset. mega_shok.gif then it will be hours of data integrity check by the team.

My former company did gave an intern a ryzen7 thinkpad and she's kept getting errors we dont get on our i7... like android/ios virtualization, deployment etc so perhaps it's not reliable for dev use yet.

altho one thing I see beneficial on epyc is the price per core so you can run alot of VM which you can protect it with failover clusters.

However if it's for a browsing, gaming, rendering cpu where the 10% chance of crashes is not an issue, then the ryzen is not a bad choice. Cuz personally im also using one.. which is actually still fine if doing light work like testing simple scripts or replying emails when working from home.. However due to reliability, I still teamviewer into my laptop which i left in office to do most of the work.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jan 9 2021, 11:46 AM
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