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arsenwagon
post Jun 15 2009, 06:23 PM

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so everyone was right then...
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post Jun 15 2009, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(arsenwagon @ Jun 15 2009, 06:23 PM)
so everyone was right then...
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Yes. Heheh~ Its a fatty liver and all of you have mentioned the likely diagnoses.

Here is another one, what is it?
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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Jun 15 2009, 09:48 PM)
Yes. Heheh~ Its a fatty liver and all of you have mentioned the likely diagnoses.

Here is another one, what is it?
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Ziehl Neelsen stain with AFB, likely to be M.tuberculosis.... check clinical history, culture it, and DNA probe it tongue.gif
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post Jun 15 2009, 11:37 PM

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Thought ziehl neelson stain's supposed to reveal bright reddish pink tuberculi? But i think i saw some reddish bacilli, not too clear though. What is this supposed to be? a sputum culture? Should you provide abit more info together with the pictures? loll.
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Refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid-fast_bacilli

I think StarGhazzer is quite correct, but not 100% sure...



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post Jun 17 2009, 03:06 PM

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Dear all honoured medical students out there,

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Medical education has always been a touchy issue in Malaysia. The system has been endlessly plagued by controversy. From quotas to quality standards to half-baked academicians, you name it, we’ve ‘accomplished’ it. Today, I will be touching on one of the lesser-known but equally troubling issues regarding medical education- the difficulties faced by prospective doctors in obtaining an increasingly exclusive place in public gov medical schools.

Meet Timmy (not his real name), an STPM candidate who aspires to be a doctor. Spurred on by his passion the field, Timmy toils and ploughs his way through arguably the most difficult university entrance exam in the world. After months of gruelling academic rigours, Timmy’s hard work has finally paid off when he scored straight As in his exams; an achievement par excellence. However, Timmy did not manage to get hold of a place in medicine in any of the public universities. To complicate matters further, Timmy’s family is in financial turmoil and is thus unable to fork out the half a million Ringgit required to study in a private medical school. Alas, his hopes and dreams have been dashed, not lack of intelligence or competence, as in the case of most medical rejects, but by the lack of talent appreciation on behalf of the authorities. A rather indignant way to shatter ambitions, don’t you think?

The situation described above is widespread in Malaysia, almost to the extent that it has become an accepted norm. Everywhere you turn, left and right, you see talented individuals being denied an opportunity to chase their dreams. Though not limited to medical degrees, medicine is certainly one of the worst hit courses.
It is a well-known fact that education in a public university is significantly cheaper (true in whichever way you may think of it) compared to the same qualification obtained from a private institution. However, I believe there is a shortage of medical places in public universities…

Below is a list of all public universities with medical schools in Malaysia:


Universiti Sains Malaysia
Universiti Malaya
Universiti Putra Malaysia
Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia
Universiti Malaysia Sabah
Universiti Malaysia Sarawak
Universiti Teknologi Mara
International Islamic Unviersity
Universiti Sains Islam Malaysia


9 public medical schools serving a population of 28 million.
3.1 million people per medical school.

what say you?

This post has been edited by OMG!: Jun 18 2009, 09:07 AM
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post Jun 17 2009, 03:19 PM

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My views.

Coupled with the private universities, Malaysia has enough medical school resources to serve her population.

The problem is, how is that resources being used and allocated. You know. I know. We all know the problem.

Then there is the problem of attitude. To a typical Malaysian, if you have good academic result, you should do medicine and that is totally wrong way of thinking. If you don't have the proper character, no matter how good your academic result, medicine isn't for you.



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Alright, let us make a comparisons with other overseas universities concerning this issue.

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Imagine a world where doctors earn a pittance. Imagine if specialists and surgeons in Malaysia had their RM 40,000 monthly paycheck reduced to a mere.. say, RM5,000.

Do I hear you say “Woah, damn good lidat, man! Doctor less money, means we pay less, means we get more money! Wohoo!”

You’re wrong. When you meet medical students or doctor-wannabe’s and if you ask them the holy, almighty question:
“Why do you want to be a doctor?”

And if they answer:
“Because I want to help people.”

Do you know what you should do? Give them a nice, hard knock on their heads to wipe the hypocritical shit out of their mind.

I can safely say that 90% of them have money on their minds. Obviously, most of them have a passion in the field or don’t mind giving a helping hand as well but if anyone says:
“I’m not doing it for the money”

Well, they’re either:

Lying.
Crazy.
Stupid.
Maybe all three.

Nobody in their right mind will enter medicine if they pay is low. NOBODY.

Even, I, the egoistic, righteous, doctor-soon-to-be I am, will admit that despite having a burning interest in medicine, i will NOT become a doctor if they pay me peanuts.

There. I've said it out loud. Go ahead. Flame me.

I mean, seriously..?! The profession is competitive, the lifestyle undesirable, the hours inhumane, heck the only factors anchoring a doctor within his/her field would be the satisfaction and the five-digit number they add monthly into their bank balance.

Medicine is a unique field. It has the ability to attract the best minds and talents. Rightly so too. We wouldn’t want to be treated by someone who scrapped through high school with Cs and Ds now, would we? We can’t possibly have crack addicts doing lumbar punctures or sexually frustrated ah peks performing rectal exams..
That would just be wrong.
Hence, we need to draw in the brains. How do we do that? Simple; jack up the salary.
A LOT.

High-achievers are a competitive lot, no doubt about that. They want challenges, they want success. Medicine offers both, hence the doctor-frenzy in most countries. Now, what if we took out success from the equation? What would we get?

Massive brain drain.

Medicine will slide down the prestige rank.

Less and less people will want to do medicine.

Medical practitioners will no longer be smart, witty and compassionate.

Hospitals will be filled with ah peks, ah bengs, and nutjobs with rainbow-coloured hair under the guise of doctors.

Talented individuals will flock to other professions, say law and politics.
Not good.

The lawyers will thrive on increasing medical malpractices caused by the influx of mediocrity. The already broke doctors will go poorer.
The politicians will probably swamp healthcare with mindless policies and pointless formalities.

The end result?

Utter destruction of public health.

Underpaid doctors? Not a nice thought.

This scenario is already happening in Cuba.

Cuba: 1 doctor for every 170 citizens.
Australia: 1 doctor for every 400 citizens.
Singapore: 1 doctor for every 700 citizens.
Malaysia: 1 doctor for every 1400 citizens.

Despite boasting the impressive statistic of having the lowest doctor per capita ratio in the world, Cuba’s healthcare is in ruins.

Cuban Health Statistics
Infant mortality rate: 6.04 death per 1,000 live births. (168th out of 226 countries surveyed)
Death rate: 6.33 deaths per 1,000 people (129th out of 224 countries surveyed)
Life expectancy at birth: 77 years (37th out of 225 countries surveyed)

While these statistics aren’t exactly horrifying, one would expect a country with double the number of doctors compared to that in the USA to do much better. An average Cuban doctor earns only US$20 per month or 261 pesos. This is only 1.5 times the Cuban national mean salary; much like a doctor in Malaysia earning RM4,500.

Hence, many Cuban doctors eventually leave the profession to work in other more lucrative industries. Most participate in the tourism industry, where the pay is reportedly up to 50-60 times what a doctor earns.
Imagine studying 6 years just to work as a taxi driver… That’s just sad.

As a finality, the pay for an average doctor should remain high enough to attract talent but not excessively lavish to the extent of living like kings.

*cough*cough* USA cardiothoracic surgeons *cough*US$1 million per year*choke*



http://youngbanana.blogspot.com/2009/01/mo...ine-part-2.html

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quite agree........

well managed countries do this in this way......

they pay their doctors well.......

and they chose their doctors well too, drawing the best brains and abilities and aplititude.......

we all know how msia does it.......hence the dismail state of medical education, and healthcare.......
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post Jun 17 2009, 05:16 PM

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There was this report I read some times ago. Some local female doctor will not touch patient of the opposite sex. They can rely on using a pencil to touch to come to a diagnosis. Our doctor are therefore the most advanced and capable on planet earth.

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this is plagiarised from here:

http://youngbanana.blogspot.com/2009/01/mo...ine-part-2.html

the original blogger is obviously a medical student at uwa......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jun 17 2009, 06:00 PM
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post Jun 17 2009, 08:33 PM

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OMG! You're pathetic.... if you want to express something, do it by yourself.. or if you wanted to take someone elses work, do quote it and give credit to the writer~



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post Jun 17 2009, 10:38 PM

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Let's put aside whether OMG is stealing articles from another blogger or not... I'll give him/her the benefit of doubt, maybe it's just a case of forgotten quotes or reference, or maybe he/she is indeed the author of the blog...

QUOTE(OMG! @ Jun 17 2009, 03:06 PM)
Below is a list of all public universities with medical schools in Malaysia:
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what say you?
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list of Australian Medical Universities: note not all of them are public... some like Bond are freaking expensive as well.

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In Msia:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medical_schools

Seriously, in terms of "quantity" we're not too bad. In fact we have the same number of med schools available. I'm not going to comment on quality though, as they are surely many good doctors and academics around in our country. It's just whether their knowledge gets fully imparted to students or not.

Sure, private medical institutions can be costly, but it's not exactly that different in Australia either if you compare public unis and private ones. As mentioned by many others in this thread before, it's the selection process in public universities (racial bias, quota) that make people lose out on opportunities.

As long as there is demand, there will be private institutions setting up new medical schools in Msia. Like everyone else mentioned before, the mindset of "I got good grades, I should study med" is inappropriate. Students should be given the freedom to pursue their dreams, but in reality it's not the case.

QUOTE(OMG! @ Jun 17 2009, 03:45 PM)
As a finality, the pay for an average doctor should remain high enough to attract talent but not excessively lavish to the extent of living like kings.
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Easier said than done.

How much is enough? How much is not extravagant?

Most freshies in professional fields earn similar basic salaries in their first year of work. OT pay, other investments, and add-ons not included of course, as these additional pay varies from company to company, institution to institution.

And for:
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You’re wrong. When you meet medical students or doctor-wannabe’s and if you ask them the holy, almighty question:
“Why do you want to be a doctor?”

And if they answer:
“Because I want to help people.”

Do you know what you should do? Give them a nice, hard knock on their heads to wipe the hypocritical shit out of their mind.

I can safely say that 90% of them have money on their minds. Obviously, most of them have a passion in the field or don’t mind giving a helping hand as well but if anyone says:
“I’m not doing it for the money”

Well, they’re either:

Lying.
Crazy.
Stupid.
Maybe all three.

Nobody in their right mind will enter medicine if they pay is low. NOBODY.

Even, I, the egoistic, righteous, doctor-soon-to-be I am, will admit that despite having a burning interest in medicine, i will NOT become a doctor if they pay me peanuts.

I don't disagree with the author, be it OMG! or Young the blogger.
Virtually no one will dare to say 'earn money' as their first reason why they did medicine, even though it might truly be their only motivation.

I did mention before, med school makes one a cynic. Probably makes one insane as well.

I probably should also add, med school makes one a chameleon. You say the right things at the right time, to the right people; but at the same time you don't compromise your integrity or appear arrogant/snobbish. If your patient has 3 months to live, you don't say "You're bloody gonna die." You put it in a nice and considerate way, while at the same time offering hope and support even though deep down you know it's probably goodbye.

And most important of all, lay people won't understand the pay we get. All they see is "wah, doctor woh... earn big money"... but they don't see the pennies we earn (and the crazy hours we work) as junior staff, or the mountains of debt caused by our medical education. You virtually don't earn big money until you're a consultant doing private practice, and by then you'll probably already be halfway throughout your career lifespan.

Doctors earn enough to feed the family, to live comfortably; but lavish luxuries? Nahhhhhh... not so soon, and not every doctor achieves that.
At the end of the day, there are still doctors who crave more than just monetary gains - the satisfaction, the pride, the passion in doing things that they love; these also play a role.

This post has been edited by StarGhazzer: Jun 17 2009, 10:48 PM
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I can't really voice out as everyone here is my senior. IMHO, i think there are doctors who doesn't put money as their priority. Yes I believe a lot of new med students are entering med just because of the reputation / MONEY / or forced by parents. but surely there are those who enter because of the passion, and not money as their priority.

Honestly speaking. I never had the impression doctors earn A LOT. In terms of work load / shift hours too. I'm not being hypocritical as OMG! said, but really, I wanna enter med cos well, I wanna help others. I haven't start my course yet, so basically you all know more bout how it is, but I speak base on what I feel. Sorry if there are any bias / incorrect matters inside.

again, not being hypocritical. If you ask me to choose a job that I can be rich, I'll prob say I'll go into engineering, in terms of salary + work load.

*OMG! was caught plagiarizing! unit failed! xD*
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I am not meant to plagiarizing...just seriously i forget to use the quote button.

Sorry. my bad ...

To all of you out there, i do seek permission from the authr of the blog to post it here, and come out with a dicussion. Opinions matter. that is all.
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QUOTE(OMG! @ Jun 18 2009, 09:00 AM)
I am not meant to plagiarizing...just seriously i forget to use the quote button. 

Sorry. my bad ...

To all of you out there, i do seek permission from the authr of the blog to post it here, and come out with a dicussion. Opinions matter. that is all.
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Put a link to the blog after the quote pls.
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post Jun 20 2009, 05:57 AM

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I dont know weather I'm a "slowpoke" or not but this fake and misleading "Professor Dato' Dr Raden" has to be exposed fast.

His background information



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Name: Raden Johari Mansor Al-Haj

- He claims to receive his MBBS from Universitas Islam Sumatera Utara, and is practicing "medicine" and "surgery" in Malaysia.
http://www.uisu.ac.id/fk/index.php (unrecognized by MMC)

- He also claims to have received his PhDs (yes.. PhDs in plurals) from several Indonesian Universities, eg: PhD in Sains Politik, PhD in Teori farmacognosi terapi, but neither a Masters in Surgery nor MD in surgery whatsoever and yet he can do all kinds of "surgery" and even do "miraculous Neurosurgery". - See the video clips below~

- Also claims to be a Professor and a Dato'... wtf?
The following videos are made by one who claims to be able to "miraculous surgery by divine intervention from God":


His method of "diagnosing" disease:




- if that is the diagnosis method he learned in the Indonesian university.... god help our medical students there..

His "surgeries":




- things to ponder while watching these videos: anatomy, anesthesia, aseptic technique, respiratory support, sterile condition, surgical equipments, etc~


His "surgeries" vol.2:




- No pain and not even a scar????
- How did he managed to take out a heart without even opening the thorax?? and how the hell did he maintain the blood circulation in the patient with the heart outside of her body?
- Notice how SMALL the heart is ??

This guy hides behind religion and claims to be able to perform miracles..





I Quote from one of his fanatic supporter's blog:

"I received a comment from a Doctor Ahmad Farouk Musa, from the School of Health and Medical Sciences, Monash University lambasting me as one who has a Stone Age mentality for believing in modern day miracles and libeling me as wanting to drag you my readers back to the so called Dark Ages by sharing with you here about these amazing miracle healings being carried out by unconventional Islamic Spiritual Healings of Professor Dato Dr.Raden Johari Mansur of the Pusat Rawatan Keraton, based at Sentul Raya Boulevard, Kuala Lumpur!" - Mahaguru58


"He (the "Prof") says that the charges for operations at the Pusat Rawatan Keraton is RM3000+ for above navel areas of the body and RM2000+ for areas below it."



Source: http://mahaguru58.blogspot.com/2008/06/pus...ton-defies.html


He disgusts me and he is an insult to modern medical science~!

To ALL DOCTORS in MALAYSIA - GO REPORT HIM TO MMC AND THE POLICE~!! Get this SwiNDLER OUT oF MaLAYSIA~!!
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this is called sham surgery, and is practised in various places around south east asia.....it is common practised in southern thailand.....like this case, it is shrouded in either the supernatural/occult or in religion..........

the surgeries performed are slight of hand, and only superficial skin cuts are made..........the products removed are like how magicians produce coins and flowers from behind your ear!........

it's a play on people's beliefs.....religion, superstition, hope, ignorance, and the most powerful human emotion.....fear........

in this case, as he claims to be a qualified doctor, if proven false, he has contravened the law......

except that, like many other things, msia is very lax in enforcement.........
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If CyberSetan or anyone else wishes to start contacting some people to bring this matter up:

Minister for Health: Liow Tiong Lai (through you might want to find someone who can write in Mandarin)

The MOH also has a complaints form, through they cynical side of me says it points to /dev/null

Unfortunately, we can't deal with the MMC, as they cannot "deal with concerns or complaints against anyone who is NOT a registered doctor".

MMA president: Dr David Quek Kwang Leng

Then there's everyone's favorite Uncle Lim, and probably the most famous political blogger, Jeff Ooi.




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Wow, now that just bullshit how they operate by using religion and occult to play with people mind. ANy Form 3 student could see it fake. Someone really show lodge police report on him or at least notify MoH. But I think Msia police will be too slow to deal with this. Apparently many is trick by kopiah and some long beard....

*just back from NS camp, turn out its quite hard to get deferment. Might only enter medschool by 2 year. Spore NS is hard as hell. I almost fainted twice in 10 days! While another friend of my got to go to hospital becos of hyperventilation*

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