Chemistry is a MUST.

The Why and How to solve is right there in the news report:

"He said these doctors were either psychotic or neurotic but still managed to get into medical schools because these schools were not screening students meticulously enough."

Start with selection of students.

I am sure some psychological test and interview can weed out some before they enter medical school.

With Sterling Pound at RM5, you should seriously consider doing the degree in UK because it will only cost about RM100K more over 5 yrs.

I reckon with everything in, study in one of the cheaper UK university is about RM600+K whereas in Monash Malaysia would be RM500+K for the entire 5 yrs course. Hence the "RM100K more" calculation.

This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Jan 2 2009, 01:22 PM

If you go for the cheaper location like Leeds in UK, your tuition fees + living cost for 5 yrs should be around RM600K+.

With Monash Malaysia fee + living cost, it would probably be around RM500K+ for 5 yrs.

Leeds total tuition + living comes to RM620K.

I know for certain you can get by with GBP4K/yr or 20K/5yr or RMRM100K/5yr in Leeds because it's the cheapest in UK and if you are careful with money. Of course if you wanted to go to London's Imperial College or go to pub every night, then this budget flies out of the window.

And mind you, Monash fees increases every year unlike Leeds which are fixed upon 1st entry.

http://www.rbs.co.uk/content/personal/curr...iving_Index.pdf

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Added on January 2, 2009, 3:50 pmMy own calculation comes to:
5 yrs tuition fee (including annual increase) RM460K
5 yrs living expenses RM90K
Total RM550K.

Excluding London. UK ranges from RM620K to RM750K depending on which uni you go to. All courtesy of the falling Sterling Pound.

In other word, doing the cost in UK is only about RM70K to RM200K more than MM.


This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Jan 2 2009, 03:50 PM

Leeds own calculation comes to GBP 5200. So if you are very careful with money, GBP4K is possible. I know of someone doing just that and that is where I got that figure.

http://www.leeds.ac.uk/students/cost_of_living_postgrad.htm

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Added on January 2, 2009, 4:20 pmI think one can indeed be proud to be in Monash when you compared it with the other private uni offering medicine. I heard their admission requirement is the strictest.

I reckon the biggest advantage would be being recognized by the Australian medical council.



This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Jan 2 2009, 04:20 PM

Correct me if I am wrong.

If you really wanted to be a doctor, go to the cheapest place you can find. If it's recognized, fine. If it's not recognized by any country, also fine.

Then go sit for United States Medical Licensing Examination (USMLE).

If you are academically intelligent and have the right attitude and perseverance, I don't think it really matter where. You could go to Indonesian university which should be cheap. Learn what you can and go sit for USMLE.

AFAIK,

IMU entirely completed in Malaysia. No.

IMU+Twinning with RECOGNIZED UK/Aust uni. Yes because Clinical year done in UK/Aust.
(Note: Not all UK/AUST uni are recognized)

PMC. No because Clinical year not done in Ireland.

Monash. No (for the moment).

I am not quite sure how that works out. Take for example 2 different types of teaching, the traditional approach and the newer PBL.

With the traditional Pre Clinical, you simply study all the scientific knowledge about the human body. Purely academic. This I think shouldn't be too difficult for IMU to do. After that, the partner overseas university takes over.

But I can't understand how a oversea uni that practice PBL integrate with IMU's program.

My prediction. When these new IPTS graduate comes out and have no vacancies for them, our government could easily de-recognized those from overseas. After all, recognition has always been politically motivated, including the Australian.

With UEC, your choice of country to go to do medicine are greatly reduced.

I know of a student who got excellent UEC result who decided to redo the A level just to go to angmoh country to do medicine. She probably just like the different anhmoh environment.

You surely don't mean all the Taiwanese universities ALTOGETHER only give a combined figure of 3 medicine places to UEC students? If yes, then it sure is EXTREMELY tough in comparison to those doing STPM and A Level.

I do not know anything about Taiwanese universities but for UK/AUST etc, education is a big money earner. It's just another form of business but due to far more applicants than there are places, they can still afford to pick the more qualified applicants.

If you are lousy doctor, sure you can do what you want. Knock off work at 5pm and to hell with the patients. Have a relaxed life and watch soap opera on TV. Not possible at all if you wanted to be a good doctor.

To be a good doctor is a calling. You must genuinely want to help people and have good interpersonal skill. And of course, work like slave when still a junior doctor in hospital. Not a profession I fancy at all.

This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Jan 30 2009, 02:48 PM

National University of Singapore. They don't want our low standard Cambridge or Edexcel A Level. They have their own higher standard Cambridge Singapore A Level.

Assuming 2 equally matched applicant with same A Level grades. They will pick the one with Cambridge Singapore A Level and not the normal Cambridge A Level from Taylor.

SUBANG JAYA (Feb 9): Did you know that the stigma of HIV/AIDS, and discrimination against those afflicted is higher among the medical fraternity compared with others?

Malaysian Aids Council (MAC) president Prof Dr Adeeba Kamarulzaman said it is important to campaign with the medical profession, before engaging the rest of the community because there is still a strong discrimination within the group.

"All I ask of medical students who are going to graduate is to always put aside emotions and moral judgments in their profession," she told some 270 medical students at the East Asia Medical Students Conference (EAMSC) 2009 at Monash University Sunway Campus recently.

"Many of the older doctors are the worst people to stigmatise HIV/AIDS patients and those from the marginalised groups.

"Sadly, in the Malaysian medical profession as a whole, its engagement within the community to advocate for HIV has been muted," she said in her keynote address at the opening of the conference

Adeeba said the task is often left to a few "to- be-doctors and advocates to educate the community and do prevention work".

She believes "you cannot teach old dogs new tricks" and hopes younger doctors will change that mindset.