there will be NO break in the output of graduates entering housemanship from melb........it's only the intake, where there will be no intake for 2 years 2009-2010..........

new med school in vic is deakin.....swinburne does NOT have a med school......

oh wait what i mean was melb uni's undergrad intern production....they still got their post-grad intern productin line goin...sorry my bad...im used to say deakin / swinburne interchagably...

im not sure about deakin's course tho...anyone from there? any comments? coz im abit doubtful over Oz's med school now...with Melb uni (the gold standard) being off the playing field....monash is now being let loose and they are pumping in more students per clinical site / hospital...some having a 50% increase....im not sure how thats gonna turn out but im pretty sure it will affect the teaching in some way...

*im refering to undergrad programs here*

This post has been edited by bhypp: Jun 9 2009, 11:36 AM

deakin is a graduate entry med school as well.......so the only undergraduate med school left in vic is monash.......

To be honest i'm a NZ medical student graduating in year end of 2011, dying to go to aussie for my intern but the uncertainty is bothering me. There's various hearsay stating that aussie are taking in doctors to fill up the regional rural areas. Cities like brisbane are already flooded with doctors to an extend that there's a 4:3 ratio for postgrad training.

I have got a lot of questions in my mind lol.

Hows the exact policy in UK like for non-EU medical grads actually? I know it's really hard to stay on in UK after 2 years of intern, does that mean you have no chance at all to get into post grad training? What is the rough percentage of being kicked out of UK each year during the yearly contract?

Does Aussie give priviledge to international grads from NZ (non-NZ citizen /PR) over UK/US/Canada citizens/PR in selection for intern? Although NZ schools are accreditated by AMC; but i've heard somewhere that the NZ international Grads are of the lowest priority, and it's lower than the US UK Canada citizens/pr that apply through competent authority pathway.

This post has been edited by cygoh9: Jun 9 2009, 01:41 PM

there are 2 separate issues here......

1. is your qualification recognised?........in this case, from nz, yes.......

2. do you have rights to work in oz?.......as you are obviously not aussie nor pr, the answer is NO........therefore you will need to apply for jobs, and get work permits just like all other foreigners......

the fact that your qualification is recognised, and upon completing housemanship in nz, you get get full registration with amc, will however put you at an advantage over other graduates......finding a job in oz regional cities currently is easy, they are desperate for doctors, so your employer can then sponsor you for a working visa........once you get that, you are in the system.......work off you contract in some place like wagga wagga or byron bay or rockhamton, and then work you way back to the capital cities.......

What if I want to apply for PGY1 in aussie? lol i have to compete with all fellow aussie grads? or also the other UK US grads (which have done their intern years in their respective country).

Sigh work all my way back, means it'll be like... 3 years?

Why dun you just stay in NZ for specialization?

you can try apply for pgy1 in oz, but the chances are slim......there is actually going to be a shortage of housejob places in the near future, with the increased number of graduates, unless they increase the number of housejobs.........

the shortages are actually medical officers and specialists in the regional areas........

beggers can't be choosers............in any case, even if you get a housejob in oz, it will not be in the major cities and hospitals........

tons of reasons, one of it : there's no air asia in nz.
second : =) i'm greedy

and true, beggars cant choose, i'll be considered lucky if i got in. And the reason why i want to get in as soon as possible is to avoid competition from the increasing grad in new schools....

The priority list GENERALLY is:

1. Australian citizens/PR from the same state
2. Australian citizens/PR from interstate/NZ
3. International students from the same state
4. International students from interstate/NZ
5. Australian citizens/PR from overseas
6. International from overseas

Some states seperate interstate unis and NZ. All states have different priorities and selection criteria.

They are already tightening their internship allocation.

Eg.
International Students from overseas unis are NOT eligible for internship in Victoria, that includes NZ unis.
International Students from interstate unis are NOT eligible for internship in SA if they graduate after 2009.

This post has been edited by zltan: Jun 9 2009, 06:24 PM

Thanks for ur information. At least it's of a higher priority to be in NZ. How do I search for such information? I could not really find it.

To make things easier:



Group 1 (VGPR) technically has the advantage as they are "guaranteed" a job in Vic, but whether you get your desired hospital or not is uncertain.

Group 2 (Non-VGPR) is the dan lain-lain group, but whether they actually have any bias (eg prefer Kiwis over Internationals) or not remains unknown. Maybe they do, but they certainly don't tell anyone.

If you're not studying in Australia/NZ, you virtually have no chance to do internship in Vic, not sure about other states.
But you can apply for HMO and other more senior positions in the future.

im not medical student but im taking diploma in medical laboratory technology.

Thank you for your information. It means I'll have no chance to apply to mel because i'll be a international grad from NZ medical school.

Can i ask where can i get such information from? I have no clue really to find from the net.

This post has been edited by cygoh9: Jun 9 2009, 10:52 PM

they are studying in vic.........melb u to be precise, these info is available to the local med students but not in the public domain......

sory for bothering the pro's here...haah...bro...a friend of mine is planning to practice medicine in UK...so as said he need to take PLEB..bt he is from Monash malysia campus will he be able to do it as in the link i provide here, it says, those who took a course which is taken wholly or substantially outside the country....kind advices are req...haha

http://www.gmc-uk.org/doctors/imgs.asp

based on current gmc guidelines, monash msia mbbs is not 'An acceptable Primary Medical Qualification' as it is conducted in major portion (in this case wholly) out of the country of the awarding uni.........you may be able to sit for the plab, but it will be of no use, you will have failed the first condition of having 'An acceptable Primary Medical Qualification'..........

which is why, i have always cautioned people about monash msia.....and unless the rules changes, the same problem will apply to newcastle msia.......

however, it is possible the rules may change......although under the current restrictive immigration climate, that is unlikely........also, with the increase in medical student through-put of 50% over the last 10 years, the shortage of doctors in uk appears resolved for the moment.......

Is monash malaysia recognized by AMC?

Yes, it is.

it is recognised by amc........but graduates' right to work in oz will depend on immigration.....just as someone who graduated from monash clayton and have returned to work in msia cannot just walk back to oz and work......would be interesting to see what happens when the 1st batch graduates end of the year.........

p/s there is a category of work visa, which allows students to work as part of the completion of their course of study, where that work is a necessary part of the course, eg the 1 year work experience required between the part 1 and part 2 of architecture........if monash msia can convince the oz immigration that housemanship is a necessary part of their training, maybe........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jun 11 2009, 05:37 PM