what do u mean by they are slowly changing it?

oh yea, which country recognizes post-grad qualification conferred by SG?

they will start residency in certain specialties next year, and subsequently every specialties will be converted into residency system.

Hmm, Imo, specialists trained in spore are expected to contribute to the people there, and i'm sure those who just take spore as a stepping stone and cabut upon completion of their post grad trainings are certainly not welcomed there. so recognition is certainly not an issue here.

actually, i think it's the other way round.......

the shortage is in mid-level doctors who basically hold the service together......there is an excess of consultants both in restructured and private hospitals........

so i believe they like taking in med-levels doctors (those already in advanced level of training) as registrars and junior specialists, and are quite happy when they leave before they reach consultant grade, so they do not compete with the locals.......

when the residency system is implemented, it may sound a death keel for this group of med-level doctors who use spore as training ground...........

the same is happening in uk, with the more structured training programme.......it means people have to get in a level 1.........and no more at level 2 or 3 as in the past........which means getting training in uk is very difficult now (immigration issue notwithstanding, which is another big hurdle.........).....

as for recognition, many of the spore mmed programmes hold conjoint exams with british or aussie colleges.......so one gets both a spore qualification as well as a membership/fellowship.........

with a few new hospitals coming up, they certainly need more doctors at all levels. and one of the aims to introduce residency system is to increase the proportion of specialists to GP's. I'm not sure how serious is the mid level doctors' issue.

whatever, expect more obstacles in postgraduate training overseas....those with non-recognised qualifications can generally forget about it.....and locally, with the plethora of new local med schools as well mass production from russia, expect more competition, and expect employers to look more closely at where you graduate from........latest estimates suggest surplus doctors by 2014.....some new graduates may NOT find jobs.......the era of doctor taxi drivers dawns, like in the phillipines and india.......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 11 2009, 09:07 AM

i'm not sure if this is the correct place to ask, but... is ABB in A levels good enough to do med in UK?

I just saw the news about msia lacking of doctors and they are opening up more med schools in future, eg. UTAR. Wondering if its a plausible decision. We're lacking of lecturers right? I mean experienced ones.

yea, mass production from russia is flooding house-officership in msia. If i not mistaken many of them are extended due to incompetency. while i dont deny that most russian grads are good, imo those black sheeps will sooner or later be a problem in the health care system, and i dont really like that lol.

SingHealth came to UoA few months ago and gave us a talk. Apparently they're opening up more hospitals and they need more doctors to sustain the system. And "hopefully" ppl will stay after their consultancy, and they "dont mind" ppl running out wor. lol

This post has been edited by cygoh9: Aug 11 2009, 06:13 PM

that's the standard excuse for every tom, d***, harry upstart uni wanting to start a medical school......

the shortage figures will become surplus in 2014....ie people entering med schools now will feel the heat when they graduate....

remember there is a 5-6 year lag between starting med school and graduating......if the unis do projections based on current data, without taking into account of those new upstarts med schools (mahsa, masterskill, ucsi, cucms, monash, newcastle, taylors, segi, utar etc), they will get their sums wrong.........

and these new doctors have nowhere to go except msia.........their degrees will NOT be recognised elsewhere.......(yes, even monash mbbs is not recognised out of msia and oz)..........

never in the history of human civilisation, has so many new medical schools been set up within so short a time frame in so small a country........

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...7175&sec=nation

I still fall over in laughter every time I read of UTAR's plans to have their own medical school.

Ask a significant majority of UTAR students. They have trouble teaching the "normal" subjects such as accounting, Civil Engineering, and they want to open a medical school which requires a lot of time, resources, knowledge and administration. And we haven't even talked about the clinical years.

Well, with society complaining that doctors charge a arm and a leg in consultations and they come out empty handed, let's hope the doctor taxi drivers at least use meters.

: ( its sad to see that by the time i graduate, i hope to not come back home to work. 2014 : ( oh nooo.

Hi everyone, i'm relatively new(and young) here. I hope to have a little outlook on a Doctor's life.


So, is a doctor's life evermoving? I'm passionate on the knowledge, but uncertain of the life that I'm afraid that on the long run, especially with the hectic schedules I might lose it... are doctors allowed to take occasional breaks? thank you.

This post has been edited by medstudent: Aug 12 2009, 12:33 PM

CUCMS is good! Since I am the first year medical student here.I can tell you the system here is freaking good.If you are here you will know what is "team work".With the SCTL learning system that can facilitate you to open up your mind.The lecturers here the fairly nice.

I learn quite a lot here even though I only here for a week.I started to build up my confident and all the seniors and the fellow students here are helpful as well.Btw,it is new so not really many people know about it and merely garner the info from the website.I can say this is a very good medical school as you are not only benefited from the academic aspect but all including the required skills as a doctor or pharmacist.

Fortunately,I made the correct decision at the last minutes.I will say you will not allowed to enter here if you only have a qualified result but do bad in your interview.When you go through the interview you may think some of the question they ask are"rubbish" but if you think it properly,actually they are trying to test your maturity and your mind.

I am sure I will graduated as a good doctor 5 years later!

This post has been edited by MBBS siang: Aug 12 2009, 01:05 PM

...and you told us you are going to Russia...

Did we missed something here, care to explain?

all new medical students thinks their med schools are 'freaking good'........

the problem is, you have NO basis for comparison, as you have NOT experienced other med schools.......

it appears good to you because you have moved up to a different level of education.......yes, it is 'good' compared to your secondary schools.......how can it be not, as a university?........

cucms entry cut-offs are amongst the lowest....quite comparable to russia/indonesia....i know people with pretty mediocre results who got in........the uni have no choice, as people with better results will have been accepted into more established med schools........ask yourself, if you were accepted into aimst/imu/mmmc and money is no problem, would you choose cucms?.........

limeuu do u think imu is a good choice for med?

i have a simple rule of thumb.....the quality and calibre of a med school (or any uni for that matter) is measured by the quality of students accepted......

there are of course other considerations like the academic staffs, facilities, amount of research etc, but all these correlates closely with the quality of students applying and accepted......

why do you think harvard and oxbridge are where they are?........do you all have any idea the process they go through to SELECT their students from the tens of thousands applicants.......

so just look at the kinds of students accepted, compare to other med schools, and you will get an idea what that place is like.......

for prospective med students, try applying for med schools in the top 100 unis in the thes list (that includes nus, hku, melb, anu, sydney, monash(even the msian one), uq, unsw, uwa, in this region)........and see whether you can get in.....then you may know what a 'freaking good' med school is........

come to think of it, for non-malays, try get into the top 3 ipta med schools (um, ukm, usm)........they have stood the test of time, although their intake policy (and hence student quality) follows a dichotomous distribution.........

yo welcome back mbbs siang! mind to explain abit hows CUCMS medical course is like? i would like to know more about it man!

therefore wad u mean is just go for those popular, fancy med uni.

if you consider the THES top 100 unis as 'popular and fancy', there is nothing else for me to say..........