This post has been edited by sgshuhu: Aug 16 2016, 03:37 AM

No big deal! Not many ppl keen either!

a bit sad that have to live with Iriz now

Nice. 5 star ASEAN NCAP for all variants... means ESC on all variants? And comfortable cabin... is that a dig at Perodua? Headlight leveling is also good... it's a shame they even have to mention it, it should be standard on all cars.

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Aug 13 2016, 12:45 AM

Macam yes this car....

3 year free service part and labour... i'm actually tempted since i don't have a primary car

yeah.... the improvements over iriz. LOL

Come on, Civic X even the TC version only have manual leveling. So it a good thing to have for Persona

One thing I don't really like is the beige color for the interior. Easy to get dirty.

I think what Proton meant is manual leveling... just that you can do it from within the car. Many cars in Malaysia don't even let you do that. In Europe I believe it is mandatory... haven't seen a car without manual leveling... unless it has automatic leveling.

A lot of cars got manual leveling. But need to use a screwdriver, open bonnet and manually twist the headlamp leveling knob

But if u mean motorized headlamp leveling....mahai yo

This post has been edited by dares: Aug 13 2016, 11:54 AM

how much for the high spec?

same here, have to live with axia after bezzare cum out

Even thought i book the Bezza earlier but cancelled after see the real car. The teasing photos really misleading.
For Persona, if the premium price around 55K can be consider.

macam gooding jer..

if the NVH is really improved like Paultan review said, then it is really value for money car.

Exterior look like Vios but not doubt nice outlook

I wish i can get that interior for my Preve. :sad:

What is this WiFi enabled thing? Also, how does the eco function work? Cut engine like prius at traffic lights or coach you to drive better?

It looks like proton finally migrated from red digital display to black and white?

I thought you have a suprima?

This post has been edited by mystvearn: Aug 13 2016, 05:15 PM

test driven the suprima, i had an inspira, total lost it

wow total lost the car
now pakai protong lagi?

Bbb

Not that manual To me manual leveling has to happen from the cabin. I have never, ever, seen a car in Europe that doesn't have that (unless it's automatic). When I came to Malaysia I was surprised such cars exist... let alone new ones.

I also pakai prorong mah...

Don't drive recklessly

Some of the drawbacks of having just a little bit of too much fun

Price start from 48k to 63k is a bad move for Proton if they considering gaining consumers confident and market share. Price lower bit by 5k will gain some buyers, more buyers = more users experience = more exposure for more customers if the Personal is good.

Somebody says 45k to 60k price range.......

Edit:
Btw,
many things stripped away from Iriz ......

This post has been edited by stasio: Aug 14 2016, 11:29 AM

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Yeah, aim at the Premium spec so hopefully it price will be lower. Let see how the price turn out next week

I'm an Iriz owner and i'm sad. Luls

Technology improve every years while affordability go down. My near 9 years old Myvi only have ABS.
Think positive that your next car will even greater.
At least Iriz still at front for car safety among many current cars on sale.

If 55k top spec then really kill bezza

personal opinion,5k reduction seems a bit hard to them. max reduction maybe 3k,or maybe the price will stick at tentative. it still depend on big boss decission though.

cuz they need also to count next saga price,so it wont overlapping.

but 3k price reduction seems better,but that will put iriz to be seems overpriced,top spec. unless they planned to reduce iriz price.

well,just personal opinion. actually,im a bit puzzle on how they will price persona agaisnt iriz n new saga. but if they want to make it a big hit,it need some price reduction.

Well, earlier on some reporting about there will be surprise for the pricing, but if the car obtain EEV status, it not posible to price cheaper than Iriz.

why?
seem like iriz still the premium model
same hardware different software
all we need to do is nagged P1 to flash the new ecu

Haha.....EEV status...... ...with outdated engine and gearbox.

Btw,
EEV as “vehicles that meet a defined specifications in terms of carbon emission level (g/km) and fuel consumption (l/100 km) – EEV includes fuel efficient vehicles, hybrids, EVs and alternatively-fuelled vehicles, e.g. CNG, LPG, Biodiesel, Ethanol, Hydrogen and Fuel Cell.

Premium Iriz =>Premium Persona.....
Many things has been stripped from P Iriz....no DRLs, and the tail lights use conventional bulbs rather than LEDs, even tyre size to 185/55 R15 from 195/55 R15.

This post has been edited by stasio: Aug 15 2016, 08:17 AM

coz the nvh level in Persona they say better..

some cannot la..like the 3 mounting something..

brochure specs list is gooding
not sure about the real design and finishing quality

Seem not many thing strip. But they add electric headlamp leveling, front sensor in persona. How sure they use 185 in persona? Already see the car in flesh?

This time CVT for you to prevent total lost.

They no dare to show the wheels..that tiny wheels..

They more not dare to show the rear 1/3 view and direct rear view. Hatch->Sedan usually looks awkward + Proton famous ugly rear-ends... waiting... hopefully is a positive surprise.

Agree. Like the ugly pug 206 sedan.

My expectation is quite high when proton want to make sedan version from Iriz. At least they can design like polo sedan@vento. I know it is tough task for designer and engineering dept. to transform the body and system. This persona might be look awkward like fiesta sedan.

BTW, I will test drive to compare with my iriz since they tuned something to get better respond from punch CVT. And also they said, NVH is improve compare to Iriz, but then, I still not expect to much. (ayat sedapkan hati)

Not only will kill bezza but also cannibalize proton saga market..

the pricing & spec idea for proton vs perodua don works out now, that's y tun also don know why ppl still don buy proton

juz like first kick: persona SV RM48k, that time also ppl said can straight tabao myvi 50k already, then the result?

iriz came out, ppl said spec can tabao myvi already, then again...

bezza is not very promising honestly but it also juz 1st attempt by p2 in sedan, but juz like what it sound 'to be beza', ppl who wants p2 japan engine affordable sedan car also would still continue go for it. end of the year would see the same result again.

"All variants get 185/55 R15 tyre size".....
http://www.carsifu.my/news/proton-persona-...we-drove-it-too
and
http://autobuzz.my/2016/08/2016-proton-per...g-on-23-august/

"My only gripe though is that the 15-inch alloy wheels look severely under-specified for the overall design of the new Persona, which apart from that, I must say is quite good. The 15-inch alloys on all the variants actually look quite ridiculous, and obviously one of the first things buyers will do is head to the nearest rim shop for a bigger set of alloys."
https://www.autofreaks.com/reviews/first-im...on-persona-1-6/




This post has been edited by stasio: Aug 15 2016, 11:42 AM

I see. No wonder la the wheel look small. Aiya at least put la 185/60 or 185/65 for 15" like vios and almera. Or 175/65 like city if they want achieve low fc.

Agreed. The rims for persona not nice as 15" iriz with dual tone.

Hopefully they do recalibration of the TCU and ECU ,
as 185 size is 1.8% smaller (better acceleration time 0-100km/h ,but lower top speed).

This post has been edited by stasio: Aug 15 2016, 12:13 PM

Pity they don't offer the manual trans for executive/premium, can I special order for this kind of thing?

if no manual i confirm wont touch it

=edit=
what makes you think a cvt is safe anyways? i almost crashed while test driving the cvt iriz while cornering at kl sentral ring with screeching tires and ESP blinking.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Aug 15 2016, 03:55 PM

lol



Anyway the rear end is still ok. Just the wheel and the wheel-arch section made the wheel looks small like having kancil wheels but 15".

More pics

I hope this is not the premium version......

Pics is Executive CVT....Premium has 15-inch wheels in silver colour and Black B-pillars.

This post has been edited by stasio: Aug 15 2016, 11:08 PM

Personally I think they Pandan the ecu
Bezza has a Pandan ecu that never allowed pipu to redline
So NHV is quite good

Win some lose some.

so this new persona falls under what category? A or B Segment? quite small which only bigger a bit compare bezza..
hopefully better CVT gbx..

Side profile so kek

It look better than Honda City for my personal opinion.
Top spec vs Top spec, beside QC, Engine and Transmissions. It more or less on par with Honda City with 30k cheaper.

Looks better than Honda City and Fiesta Sedan.

But is it me or what, that rear wheel seems way smaller, or out of proportion.

light grey. but yeap..still easy to get dirty..and the door card colour looks akward.

im driving a persona now, looking forward to change to the new persona for a while, but kinda disappointed since they relegated to B segment, and there is no wow factor in the new design.

Vios kacuk Fiesta sedan?

B seg, a seg smaller than Persona/Gen 2 (which is a C albeit much smaller than other C seg)

better than krik krik krik cengkerik gm6 city...

Indicative pricing is between 47k to 61k (peninsular only)

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looks nice. ayam rike

The booking fee is RM300, and the sum is refundable.
A new bit of info is the Persona’s indicative price range – RM47,000 to RM61,000 in Peninsular Malaysia and from RM49,000 to RM63,000 in Sabah and Sarawak.

Overlap price range with Preve atm, but that variant Preve will be discontinued soon.

This post has been edited by stasio: Aug 16 2016, 11:36 AM

wow, my hand itchy alrdy

After 3 months or so, 10% discount!! Weee

The previous Persona was a C segment car because at the point of time during its inception, the other C segment cars were sized as such, think the older sentra, older corolla etc. Today, the C segment has grown by quite a bit and Proton's C segment challengers are the Preve/Suprima. So, the only way to maintain a clear separation between the current C segment offering from Proton was to push the new Persona to B segment. Here, the overall car does not differ too much from the car it replaces. There will be some pluses and some minuses though. And to further create a space for the Persona, the Saga which when it first came out in 1985 as a C segment has been pushed all the way down to be the company's representative in A segment. This is to enable the Saga to continue being the company's most affordable model for its customers.

Hope the explanation helps.

This post has been edited by lowpro: Aug 16 2016, 02:20 PM

I dunt see why segment downgrade is an issue at all especially when this new Persona is slightly more spacious that current one.

Its like preferring ais kacang from shop A coz they use bigger bowl compared to shop B with smaller bowl , but shop B has slightly bigger portion overall.

This post has been edited by alanyuppie: Aug 16 2016, 05:00 PM

interm of wheelbase and width,its almost the same,so,interior dimension almost the same,but new design of interior(old vs new persona) gives new persona feels bigger inside.

new b segment already equal to old c segment. downgrading segment doesnt mean compromise the space. eventhough the length is shorter,but when speaking of interior volume,basically looking at wheelbase and how cleaverly its being design.

like bezza,eventhough the wheelbase is far shorter,but by playing with seats and dash design,they can create big interior and spacious boot.

2.5 box design is actually favouritely being use when converting hatch to sedan,and also b segment car cuz it saves on cost cuz no rework on front end chasis structure,especially when things already good in crash rating. redesign new front end will cost more. so,better to spend more money on something else.

being a hatch based sedan which normally hatch has bulbous front,so not to make and awkward transition,rear end also will follow suit.

some prefer 3 box normal sedan design,like new saga. eventhough old saga is based in savvy,but due to campro engine cant fit in savvy front end,it has to redesign. so,it got a normal 3 box design. eventhough,new saga seems a bit bigger than new persona,but it certainly not.

well,having to come out 3 cars n 1 mpv in 1 year, proton need to be really carefull in spending some money in rnd cost.

eventhough i wish that they just come out with 1 new sedan,but they need to replace n rearrange the product position,plus bom cost is higher in persona,so cant replace saga with saga price.

even new saga will share some parts with prev proton which isnt that bad either.

i heard that in test unit saga,they use exora n preve steering,which i think the latter will make into production,same as exora head unit,which i dont think its a big problem.

the good thing is since more rnd money is spend on refinement,rather than fully in design,new saga also will get an improve on refinement.

quality is as it is in the segment they enter,but i just hope that they consistent in it. i believe the consistency in quality is the main problem previously. some are good,some are bad.

but of course,its not perfect products. but i do like the new direction, focus on what matter most.

eventhough its subjectives,but i think new saga dont look as cheap as it supposed to be as usual,proton.,inside and out. That is the thing that makes toyota a house hold name. Cheap,doesnt mean need to look cheap,n drive like a cheap car.

i hope they still continue to follow this new direction eventhough the market now isnt that encouraging and challenging.

This post has been edited by mat79: Aug 16 2016, 04:31 PM

The new Saga based on the old BLM chassis, are there any improvements in terms of safety? or is it the same as before.

rumours abound that the new Saga only scored 4 star ASEAN NCAP, which is less than encouraging considering the competition.

Comparable to Premium Bezza, the Saga FLX got 4 stars Asean NCAP ratings, but the FLX does not come with ESC. Which is same as Bezza lower specs.

So should we assume that the new Saga with all variant will be equipped with ESC shall be rated 5 stars also.

BTW, why do i think the FLX dont deserve 4 stars rating?

Saga 3 star only



This post has been edited by dares: Aug 16 2016, 05:01 PM

with some improvement, the new Saga will be 4 Star.

https://www.autofreaks.com/news/2016-proton...colours-listed/

According to AF, Abs, Ebd and brake assist is standard throughout all models. Only Premium gets hill assist, TC and ESC. If this is true, then the Premium version is eligible for 5 stars while the rest get 4 stars.

I'm quite sure there will be some structure strengthening just like what P2 did with the facelift Myvi

This post has been edited by Lez Pall: Aug 16 2016, 06:38 PM

I do hope so.

Proton has placed so much emphasis on this aspect of late, it would be a shame to lose out to Perodua's first attempt at a sedan in terms of safety.

Best looking Proton model?

I'll still skip due to the engine and CVT.

If Proton puts Vios engine in it I'll buy it in a heartbeat

The old 1.6L with the CVT. No way!

Not sure about the rear design.

NCAP stars was given based on scoring on injury to the crash dummies. Saga FLX maybe have some design flaw resulting more injuries.
Comparing Bezza 590MPa steel chassis to Persona 1500MPa steel chassis. It a totally different 5 stars even have same ESC equipped. The stronger the chassis will be better for side impact protection where no much buffer for crushing unlike engine bay and boot.

Executive


Standard


This post has been edited by stasio: Aug 16 2016, 10:31 PM

there are some changes on the chasis,including seats,to make it better,but since my close source is pretty tight lips on that matter(i mean aseancap score),so i cant comment on which score did they managed to obtain. if no modification made,even with esc,new saga wont score 4 star aseancap,still 3 star.

but earlier,he mentioned all new persona n saga objectives in crash test is to perform as highest as possible.

let us wait for for official. But i do agree if 4 star rate,its not really good to proton,eventhough in our market,still high percentage dont care on ncap rating,but mostly look at fc in the brochure. Awareness is increase,but in slow rate.

But those catamaran like roof top,they mentioned to increase aerodynamic of the saga, help a bit in cruising fc. Hopefully its really as functional as it intended to be. eventhough many who actually driven n saw it mentioned they are really pleased with the new saga,but take it as pinch of salt. If your expectation is like current flx,then you might be amazed.

take a spin on new persona,new saga isnt that much differ interm of refinement,except material on persona is much better compare to saga.

This post has been edited by mat79: Aug 16 2016, 11:05 PM

Thanks for the info, as always it's good to hear/read from you again.

It seems everytime at the brink of a new Proton launch you will emerge at the forums again

N. Slyphy

vios engine also 'old' what...
but yeah, punch is sh*t

in front like Axia and Vios

pretty busy...and my sources also pretty busy with 4 models to launch this year. lots of info coming when the car is ready,if in design phase,many things still incomplete. some info might change.

but nice to hear from you too dares.

Is the specifications for Standard variant confirm?
as source from Paultan said unpainted side mirrors and door handles.

Yea,I read, but no rear spoiler (or maybe white colour is early version ).

This post has been edited by stasio: Aug 17 2016, 08:45 PM

what they gonna do next year?
got preve facelift or not?

Looks quite good

Come with ASC.. Hehehe