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post Aug 24 2016, 07:50 AM

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QUOTE(MechaLEE @ Aug 23 2016, 10:28 PM)
legroom is bad cause it is now a B segment car.  (rear disc brakes from old persona is downgraded to drum brakes in this new persona  bangwall.gif ).........u want more legroom ? get C segment (honda civic) or D segment (honda accord) cars
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Clearly you have no idea on the interior. The legroom is much roomier than the old persona. The braking distance is improve over the old persona despite non all disc brakes. The boot space is also bigger than the old persona, and the biggest in its class. Even it is a B segment compare to the old Persona C segment, it is bigger where it needs to be. Big in dimension, but not translate into usable space is pointless.
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post Aug 24 2016, 07:52 AM

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QUOTE(davidletterboyz @ Aug 24 2016, 02:42 AM)
I don't see how it's possible to be roomier than the first gen when the wheelbase is a lot shorter. But don't get me wrong. It doesn't directly translate to comfortabilty because the old gen seat is too low. Like kid's seat. New gen car height is higher as well.

IIRC, Preve was supposed to be the Persona replacement but they priced it higher and old Persona was selling well. That was is not really replaced until now.
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It is possible. The Jazz B segment was even roomier than C segment car. Wheelbase is wheelbase. It is how the engineer make use of that dimension into usable space. Proton is learning towards this, but still cannot match those Japanese who known to have very good skill in using space with restrictions.
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post Aug 25 2016, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(leokoo @ Aug 25 2016, 12:05 PM)
Better than the Vios and City engine? Are you serious? Toyota's engines have won global awards from car magazines after much testing and comparison. Proton's Campro engine is an outdated piece that needs to be replaced fast.

The problem is, no major car blogs would talk about it due to the fear that Proton will stop advertising with them.
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That city engine emission is even worst than this 1.6 vvt engine at euro 4. Honda city emission is euro 2.
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post Aug 26 2016, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(Gamerjim @ Aug 26 2016, 09:18 AM)
City engine emission is actually not only euro 2, but sad case in Malaysia:

"For optimum performance with Malaysia’s low-grade fuel, the engine has been tuned only to Euro-2 emission standards."

Quoted from motortrader..

It's possible to have euro 4 emission for city too, but until ron95 fuel upgraded to euro 4, there's no point arguing about engine emission standards, and majority of buyers just don't care as well..
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Emission and type of fuel it can accept is different thing. The iriz is euro 4, the cfe is euro 5. Both can accept lower grade euro 2m/3 petrol.

How do you explain euro 3 engine on other honda models?
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post Aug 26 2016, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(Gamerjim @ Aug 26 2016, 11:13 AM)
In Philippines, the same 1.5l i-vtec sohc engine in city meets euro 4 emission standard.. so it's possible for honda malaysia to tune the engine to meet euro 4 standard.. just for our country honda tunes the engine for euro 2 since our ron 95 fuel just euro 2.. n I don't deny that an engine can accept lower grade of fuel, I just said for optimal performance.. sure an euro 4/5 engine can achieve optimal performance with corresponding euro 4/5 fuel right?

What are the models with euro 3 engine u mean? Are the models u mean full new models after nationwide Euro 4m ron97 implementation in malaysia last year?
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If im not mistaken, the Jazz have different emission tuning.
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post Aug 27 2016, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Aug 27 2016, 03:56 AM)
Er...have to give some credit to Toyota to be fair. The Vios has been using VVT-i engine for the past 10 years (actually is more), only then proton right now started to introduce VVT.

So although the VVT Campro engine just released by Proton and can be considered as a new engine, but it is very obvious that the technology in it is an obsolete 1.

In other word, you talked as in Toyota Vios is using a dinosaur engine, but the technology in the dinasour engine is certainly comparable if not better than the new campro's VVT engine.

Note: can clearly see how much proton is behind in terms of development compares to their competitors
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Proton VVT engine is from the CFE. The module is there since CFE engine.


Anyway, with the introduction of Proton upcoming TGDI engines, they will not be lacking behind in terms of technology anymore. We can see how quick Proton actually learning and catch up with others in term of technology. Even honda was only recently introduce TGDI engine. Toyota, not sure yet when we can see their small direct injection engine here in our market. You must remember that Proton only have few hundreds engineers while Toyota have thousands of engineers. But Proton could achieve something similar with all this limited resources.
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post Aug 27 2016, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(xtremesportx @ Aug 27 2016, 04:32 PM)
It's new. Not sure 3-6 month down the road. Having own the Preve, no more Proton sorry, no matter how good this Persona or other models are. Sales number and volume will speak for how good this car is. Let the people judge. Don't let words judge. If sales can't hit 10k unit by the 2nd month (Bezza sells 19000 unit on its first month), you'll know it's a failure, just like the iriz.
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Having own the Iriz for 2 years plus, no issue. It is surely more than 3-6 months. And many other people also do not have any problem. Proton sales is not very good is because people are afraid to buy Proton.

10k unit sales, even combining the whole B segment from total industry volume is an impossible number. Please study the market before pulling any numbers out of thin air.


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post Aug 28 2016, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(jepakazoid_82 @ Aug 28 2016, 10:25 AM)
Thinking of getting this car for my wife. CVT ok or not? Also how is the service center experience as compared to P2? Not sure if I should go new Persona / Bezza or used City / Vios.
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If you got for used city or vios, make sure the airbags has been changed.
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post Sep 1 2016, 08:17 AM

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QUOTE(Boss262 @ Sep 1 2016, 07:17 AM)
Sadly I'm not available the rest of the weekend  sad.gif
From what my SA told me, Every part (Plug, Engine Oil, Timing Belt, CVT oil and etc) that needed to be change during service will be cover by proton. You just need to come to service centre, service your car and go home without paying anything. If there is an extra part that needed to be change, the will notify you first whether it need to be change or not.
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QUOTE(homerthewhopper @ Sep 1 2016, 07:25 AM)
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if thats the case its quite a good deal imo. but is there any km limit?
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Most of the time, the free service for engine oil is when you opt for mineral engine oil. If you choose semi or fully, you need to top up abit. Not sure for this Persona free service offer.
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post Sep 1 2016, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(lowpro @ Sep 1 2016, 11:49 AM)
Basically the C-segment cars were affected back then in 85 when the Saga was introduced - Corolla LE 1.3/GL 1.6 and Sunny 1.3. The Japanese cars went up by about 4k to 6k depending on model and variant. Not sure if the Laser, 323 and Tredia also had their prices bumped up...
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Nope. The same car did not get a price increase. What happened is, Proton is slightly cheaper due to excise tax is lower.

There is lengthy articles last time on motoring journals with all the archives, what was happened after the first Saga was introduce. Many believed that import cars price were increase, but the fact is, the price remain. Then over the years, everything went up. Inflation etc.

 

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