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post Jan 2 2015, 03:03 PM, updated 11y ago

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I'm just wondering why Mitsubishi Attrage is not popular in Malaysia because I'm considering to get one.

Toyota VIOS and Honda CITY is every where on the road.

Based on the owner review in carbase.com 1.2MIVEC engine with CVT doesn't feel underpower.

Everyone is complaining petrol price increase so we shall consider a petrol saving car. Attrage give average 18km/L (officially 21km/L)

Is it their marketing/advertisment not good?
After sales service not good?
Spare parts very expansive?
User no confident on 1.2MIVEC engine at B-segment car?
Or any other problems?

Any professional come share your opinions on this.
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post Jan 2 2015, 03:03 PM

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post Jan 2 2015, 03:05 PM

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small and cant drive fast test then u know
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3 cylinder in sedan car. you do the math.
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QUOTE(kiguss @ Jan 2 2015, 03:03 PM)
I'm just wondering why Mitsubishi Attrage is not popular in Malaysia because I'm considering to get one.

Toyota VIOS and Honda CITY is every where on the road.

Based on the owner review in carbase.com 1.2MIVEC engine with CVT doesn't  feel underpower.

Everyone is complaining petrol price increase so we shall consider a petrol saving car. Attrage give average 18km/L (officially 21km/L)

Is it their marketing/advertisment not good?
After sales service not good?
Spare parts very expansive?
User no confident on 1.2MIVEC engine at B-segment car?
Or any other problems?

Any professional come share your opinions on this.
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Power wise I think it is better than Axia since their weight is quite close but Attrage having higher cc

Ugly is also one point

And people will always be like... Add a few more thousand can get more spacious 1.5cc Almera, o wai... I think another few more thousand I can get god car! rclxms.gif
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post Jan 2 2015, 03:09 PM

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It is in a sensitive range where people who are aware of fuel price and car price will go for perodua while people so wanted a non local brand will go for honda or toyota
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post Jan 2 2015, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(kiguss @ Jan 2 2015, 03:03 PM)
I'm just wondering why Mitsubishi Attrage is not popular in Malaysia because I'm considering to get one.

Toyota VIOS and Honda CITY is every where on the road.

Based on the owner review in carbase.com 1.2MIVEC engine with CVT doesn't  feel underpower.

Everyone is complaining petrol price increase so we shall consider a petrol saving car. Attrage give average 18km/L (officially 21km/L)

Is it their marketing/advertisment not good?
After sales service not good?
Spare parts very expansive?
User no confident on 1.2MIVEC engine at B-segment car?
Or any other problems?

Any professional come share your opinions on this.
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Tested this car last year.
1) Car is underpower a bit.
2) Steering doesn't center when U turn
3) Engine scream like crazy when tekan. Typical 3 cyclinder engine characteristic. The car loud like my old Savvy.
4) RV no good
5) Discount no good
6) FC wise, City can do 18km/l, up to 21km/l if driven constantly on highway. 15 to 17km/l is possible for Vios/Almera in similar condition. Not much difference.

Given it's almost same price as City, Vios, Almera for the low spec version (just a few K difference).....no wonder it cannot sell.

I was attracted to this car for the price initially, after test driving an consider all factors, doesn't seem so cheap anymore.

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post Jan 2 2015, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(Autocountstick @ Jan 2 2015, 03:05 PM)
small and cant drive fast test then u know
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In city drive should be ok right since always jam here and there

QUOTE(edmunz @ Jan 2 2015, 03:06 PM)
3 cylinder in sedan car. you do the math.
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Ya. 3 cylinder in sedan ppl will think it's underpower, but mpst of the owner review at carbase.com say won't really feel it. I think I may test drive it only know.

QUOTE(zero5177 @ Jan 2 2015, 03:08 PM)
Power wise I think it is better than Axia since their weight is quite close but Attrage having higher cc

Ugly is also one point

And people will always be like... Add a few more thousand can get more spacious 1.5cc Almera, o wai... I think another few more thousand I can get god car!  rclxms.gif
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A few k with all the interest can be a burden every month.. xD

QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 2 2015, 03:11 PM)
Tested this car last year.
1) Car is underpower a bit.
2) Steering doesn't center when U turn
3) Engine scream like crazy when tekan. Typical 3 cyclinder engine characteristic. The car loud like my old Savvy.
4) RV no good
5) Discount no good
6) FC wise, City can do 18km/l, up to 21km/l if driven constantly on highway. 15 to 17km/l is possible for Vios/Almera in similar condition. Not much difference.

Given it's almost same price as City, Vios, Almera for the low spec version (just a few K difference).....no wonder it cannot sell.

I was attracted to this car for the price initially, after test driving an consider all factors, doesn't seem so cheap anymore.
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I think I will be like you, after test drive won't consider anymore. Ya the owner review also say the engine sound roar when climbing hill.
Actually I get attracted to the push start button and keyless system. Honda City 6th Gen need 80k+ in order to have this features x.x

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price is expensive
if RM50k maybe got chance
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QUOTE(kiguss @ Jan 2 2015, 03:21 PM)
In city drive should be ok right since always jam here and there
Ya. 3 cylinder in sedan ppl will think it's underpower, but mpst of the owner review at carbase.com say won't really feel it. I think I may test drive it only know.
A few k with all the interest can be a burden every month.. xD
I think I will be like you, after test drive won't consider anymore. Ya the owner review also say the engine sound roar when climbing hill.
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true, performance wise won't suffer much. 3cylinder r economical but noisy and somehow not refine. my sister own mirage and what a car.. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(edmunz @ Jan 2 2015, 03:24 PM)
true, performance wise won't suffer much. 3cylinder r economical but noisy and somehow not refine. my sister own mirage and what a car..  rclxub.gif
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Seem like the noisy kill everything for non-local car x.x

Actually I'm considering Honda City also but the type I like is RM81k.

RM69k vs RM81k big different huh? x.x

Khairy suggestion tax free for local assembly car will be a big hope for me to get Honda City biggrin.gif
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Above all else, it's ugly looks.
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QUOTE(kiguss @ Jan 2 2015, 03:45 PM)
Seem like the noisy kill everything for non-local car x.x

Actually I'm  considering Honda City also but the type I like is RM81k.

RM69k vs RM81k big different huh? x.x

Khairy suggestion tax free for local assembly car will be a big hope for me to get Honda City biggrin.gif
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12K not that big difference if you divide by the loan installment. Car will also have much higher RV compared to Attrage.
Furthermore, you can get better safety specs. Consider all these factors.

Btw, you can get 5k discount? Last year City stock?

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 2 2015, 03:57 PM)
12K not that big difference if you divide by the loan installment. Car will also have much higher RV compared to Attrage.
Furthermore, you can get better safety specs. Consider all these factors.

Btw, you can get 5k discount? Last year City stock?
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Better safety specs on a City are expensive though...

Why not go local, get an Iriz Premium or a Preve instead? Much safer, parts are locally available, ...

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their specs just does not worth the PRICE~~!!
First of all, they should have auto cruise
Secondly where is the steering control buttons?
Third, over priced
Fourth, its 1.2 and 3 cylinder (price should be lower)...if you do the maths with the petrol price of RM2.30, you will rather drive a higher fuel consumption car and also will not rugi the pricey car.
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My thinking pretty simple.

Malaysian style...
Aunty: harrrr? 1.2L so small ah?? Like tat might as well i buy vios.. Aiya push start no use one la.. Button rosak how?? Harr?? Mitsubishi ah?? Later proton copy or not??
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jan 2 2015, 10:04 PM)
My thinking pretty simple.

Malaysian style...
Aunty: harrrr? 1.2L so small ah??  Like tat might as well i buy vios.. Aiya push start no use one la.. Button rosak how?? Harr?? Mitsubishi ah?? Later proton copy or not??
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QUOTE(HeartRock_Cafe @ Jan 3 2015, 12:29 AM)
Rm69k for 1200cc? Super overprice
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Rather get Almera lowest spec or some new vehicle around RM44k for 1300cc 4 cylinder.

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QUOTE(HeartRock_Cafe @ Jan 3 2015, 12:30 AM)
Mirage bad?
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feature wise consider not bad. but NVH no different than myvi
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their 3 cyclinder shake worst than a axia !
you should do an extensive test drive like more than 30 minute to feel the car
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I wasn't sure why some ppl would sell thier mit Atri in mudah or carlist few month after ownership.

It worth to check up though but it maybe over thinking in my part.

Note: The car is less on the road, hence less listing. But the fact it happen warrant us to rethink, doesn't it?
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post Jan 3 2015, 02:57 PM

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To me Attrage is super fugly from front to back.
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if they have the steering wheel control button before the new City & Jazz uplift....I would have brought it...thank god that it is really just lack of those control buttons
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car not just a transport and city round oso a fashion and show off, outlook doesnt look attractive i ride bike better
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dont know about attrage, mirage was plagued by flywheel problem.
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QUOTE(edmunz @ Jan 3 2015, 05:19 AM)
feature wise consider not bad. but NVH no different than myvi
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imo, Mawi has better NVH!!! I used to own one.
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Do not underestimate this thing : BRAND POWER !!

If the same engine and gearbox is fitted into VIOS, it will still be a god car. Maybe fanboy will say that is a better god car. More care for environment doh.gif doh.gif
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I think Mitsubishi Attrage so beautiful. And, get 5 star ANCAP btw.

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gia xe mitsubishi attrage

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QUOTE(fire_diamond @ Jul 8 2015, 12:05 PM)
I think Mitsubishi Attrage so beautiful. And, get 5 star ANCAP btw.
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Then when it came to Malaysia Mitsubishi removed everything that made it possible for it to reach 5 stars... the Malaysian version would probably be more like 1 or 2 stars.
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1) It is hideous
2) They removed the safety features
3) Brand perception
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Lol...there u go, I think to sum it all...its just Malaysian mentality....

Overpriced? Based on what? 1.2l engine? If so...what about fiesta? 1.0l selling at what price???

No steering control? Errer.....some Toyoda ada ada marque car at around that price range also don't have, some don't even have leather draped steering

Looks? Well that's just personal taste

Underpowered? Errr.....have u guys compared its specs? Its no where underpowered.....but yeah ...its not all that powerful....I would say its more than adequate.

NVH? This is very biased...as its all about ur feel....get it tested with some noise indictor on all the cars and show me the facts..any times its all in the head...judgement is almost always clouded by their 1ST impression and perception, e.g PROTON, enuff said...nobody even wanna give it a fair chance even though some cars are better than their Japanese competitor...but hey its a proton everything MUST suck right?

3 piston? Well if u guys know anything bout engine, 3cylinders actually give better torq, and less moving parts to replace...oh and the exhaustxsound from a 3 cyl. Sometimes sounds like a Scooby...nice...

And...the list can go on....so yeah...ppl that do buy the cad r ppl that actually just appreciate the car for what it is...nothing more nothing less...
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i dun like the rear part...not nice
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QUOTE(fire_diamond @ Jul 8 2015, 12:05 PM)
I think Mitsubishi Attrage so beautiful. And, get 5 star ANCAP btw.
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QUOTE(stewPik @ Jul 9 2015, 09:03 AM)
Lol...there u go, I think to sum it all...its just Malaysian mentality....

Overpriced? Based on what? 1.2l engine? If so...what about fiesta? 1.0l selling at what price???

No steering control? Errer.....some Toyoda ada ada marque car at around that price range also don't have, some don't even have leather draped steering

Looks? Well that's just personal taste

Underpowered? Errr.....have u guys compared its specs? Its no where underpowered.....but yeah ...its not all that powerful....I would say its more than adequate.

NVH? This is very biased...as its all about ur feel....get it tested with some noise indictor on all the cars and show me the facts..any times its all in the head...judgement is almost always clouded by their 1ST impression and perception, e.g PROTON, enuff said...nobody even wanna give it a fair chance even though some cars are better than their Japanese competitor...but hey its a proton everything MUST suck right?

3 piston? Well if u guys know anything bout engine, 3cylinders actually give better torq, and less moving parts to replace...oh and the exhaustxsound from a 3 cyl. Sometimes sounds like a Scooby...nice...

And...the list can go on....so yeah...ppl that do buy the cad r ppl that actually just appreciate the car for what it is...nothing more nothing less...
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Er. Europeans hate the Mirage/Attrage too. Some reviewers called it a car meant to punish 3rd world countries.

I agree with underpowered, Malaysians are obsessed with lots of power, when no one is using it anyway. Just push a little harder... more than enough to keep up with traffic.

Where does a 3 cylinder give better torque? What is that statement based on?

Overpriced... based on safety specs for example. An Iriz that costs less is much safer than the Mitsubishi... even the entry level Iriz easily beats it.
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I did not even test drive. Went to showroom, tried to get into the back seat... Dammit!!! This car is just as small and tight as Axia!! WTF?!!! I thought i hated the Mirage for having the same problem. NOPE!!!
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For that amount of price with the 3 cylinder 1.2L engine is considered very expensive, car is light and chassis is quite soft. Just felt unsafe sitting in that car, personal feeling though.
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jan 2 2015, 10:04 PM)
My thinking pretty simple.

Malaysian style...
Aunty: harrrr? 1.2L so small ah??  Like tat might as well i buy vios.. Aiya push start no use one la.. Button rosak how?? Harr?? Mitsubishi ah?? Later proton copy or not??
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VIOS J now also got push start ah ... doh.gif
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QUOTE(xiper @ Jul 9 2015, 07:10 PM)
For that amount of price with the 3 cylinder 1.2L engine is considered very expensive, car is light and chassis is quite soft. Just felt unsafe sitting in that car, personal feeling though.
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people wanted an eco car that sips petrol and light baru-lah beli this kereta. myself is a proud owner of this car. chassis where got soft? is the suspension that is soft la adoi doh.gif ... only owners whom care to tune their suspension and ride setup baru ok. which car in boleh-land that is imported is not expensive leh? people pay RM200k for a shakehead.gif BMW 316 is considered cheap vs an Passat 1.8 / A3 1.8T? doh.gif apa logik?

it's very simple - there are so many choices of cars out there for any price range - you buy whichever you like and you think is a good for money's worth. just because every tom dick and harry likes a Vios and City doesn't mean I have to follow them right icon_idea.gif ?


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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Jul 9 2015, 06:07 PM)
I did not even test drive. Went to showroom, tried to get into the back seat... Dammit!!! This car is just as small and tight as Axia!! WTF?!!! I thought i hated the Mirage for having the same problem. NOPE!!!
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rclxms.gif good - means this car is not for you. cool2.gif am lucky uncle drivers like me are not associated with fanbois like u ! thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(heihei @ Jan 3 2015, 10:33 AM)
their 3 cyclinder shake worst than a axia ! 
you should do an extensive test drive like more than 30 minute to feel the car
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blink.gif i owned this car practically for 2 years - i don't see how it can shake - hmm.gif the only reason i think it shakes more than an axia is that ur lying.

PLEASE POST A YOUTUBE VIDEO to show how is the so-called engine shaking in a Attrage 1.2 icon_idea.gif ! cakap buat serupa bikin ya ... otherwise u can all talk ayam sahaja ...

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QUOTE(stewPik @ Jul 9 2015, 09:03 AM)
Lol...there u go, I think to sum it all...its just Malaysian mentality....

Overpriced? Based on what? 1.2l engine? If so...what about fiesta? 1.0l selling at what price???

No steering control? Errer.....some Toyoda ada ada marque car at around that price range also don't have, some don't even have leather draped steering

Looks? Well that's just personal taste

Underpowered? Errr.....have u guys compared its specs? Its no where underpowered.....but yeah ...its not all that powerful....I would say its more than adequate.

NVH? This is very biased...as its all about ur feel....get it tested with some noise indictor on all the cars and show me the facts..any times its all in the head...judgement is almost always clouded by their 1ST impression and perception, e.g PROTON, enuff said...nobody even wanna give it a fair chance even though some cars are better than their Japanese competitor...but hey its a proton everything MUST suck right?

3 piston? Well if u guys know anything bout engine, 3cylinders actually give better torq, and less moving parts to replace...oh and the exhaustxsound from a 3 cyl. Sometimes sounds like a Scooby...nice...

And...the list can go on....so yeah...ppl that do buy the cad r ppl that actually just appreciate the car for what it is...nothing more nothing less...
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thumbup.gif good thinking bro - at least ur talking from the right perspective - i find that Malaysians are funny people - they talked as though their perception of something outweights the talk of people whom actually owned one of this car ! lol doh.gif rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(N33d @ Jan 6 2015, 03:03 PM)
dont know about attrage, mirage was plagued by flywheel problem.
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nod.gif yes; and Nissans-Toyota-Hondas all not plagued by Takata Exploding airbags ? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jul 9 2015, 05:56 PM)
Er. Europeans hate the Mirage/Attrage too. Some reviewers called it a car meant to punish 3rd world countries.

I agree with underpowered, Malaysians are obsessed with lots of power, when no one is using it anyway. Just push a little harder... more than enough to keep up with traffic.

Where does a 3 cylinder give better torque? What is that statement based on?

Overpriced... based on safety specs for example. An Iriz that costs less is much safer than the Mitsubishi... even the entry level Iriz easily beats it.
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European? How to compare when they can get much much much better cars at a price of proton?

Correct iriz is much better spec......in fact iriz is much better than most cars on the road much better than cars in it's class and also cars above its class....but why ppl still buying other cars and not that many iriz on the road....simple...mentality lor..as I mention...PROTON AH....useless one lah..PROTON where can buy geh...its a PROTON! Hence it just enforce my argument.......ppl buy the car base on branding & marketing more than the actual value of the car itself.

Every time ppl ask for a car of that range to buy..I say iriz is a really really good car....ppl just look at me like I'm a retard..and answer ' its a PROTON...puhleaaasseee....how it even b considered!'
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A simple solution like any other brands you can do to improve your handling.

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QUOTE(stewPik @ Jul 9 2015, 07:58 PM)
European? How to compare when they can get much much much better cars at a price of proton?

Correct iriz is much better spec......in fact iriz is much better than most cars on the road much better than cars in it's class and also cars above its class....but why ppl still buying other cars and not that many iriz on the road....simple...mentality lor..as I mention...PROTON AH....useless one lah..PROTON where can buy geh...its a PROTON! Hence it just enforce my argument.......ppl buy the car base on branding & marketing more than the actual value of the car itself.

Every time ppl ask for a car of that range to buy..I say iriz is a really really good car....ppl just look at me like I'm a retard..and answer ' its a PROTON...puhleaaasseee....how it even b considered!'
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nod.gif is ok bro - i feel for u ... the typical way most of our Malaysians speak is KNS doh.gif

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Ask P1 close shop la ... rolleyes.gif

rclxm9.gif Typical Malaysians all got tunnel-visions and views - they think closing down P1 can solve their anger for cheaper cars ! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

i would in fact urged these people to go petition to the government to stop subsidizing proton and let it die ! nod.gif laugh.gif and see where it gets to.

the fact is government will not let P1 die because too much at stake. that's why i feel so sorry for Malaysia - you can tell from their herd mentality how sophisticated is their thinking. doh.gif

AVERAGE Malaysians Joes and Janes can all bantai and biatched about their unhappiness - the real patriots and Malaysians are the ones that will come out with solution to the problems !

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their 3 cyclinder shake worst than a axia ! 
you should do an extensive test drive like more than 30 minute to feel the car
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Are you sure? I own both cars but my attrage does not vibrate when I reverse or during stop and go traffic unlike the axia.
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nod.gif yes; and Nissans-Toyota-Hondas all not plagued by Takata Exploding airbags ?  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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nah..dont quote me like i am a toyota honda nissan fanboi. i just giving my own opinion regarding the car half yr ago.. sweat.gif not sure how it is doing now lel
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European? How to compare when they can get much much much better cars at a price of proton?

Correct iriz is much better spec......in fact iriz is much better than most cars on the road much better than cars in it's class and also cars above its class....but why ppl still buying other cars and not that many iriz on the road....simple...mentality lor..as I mention...PROTON AH....useless one lah..PROTON where can buy geh...its a PROTON! Hence it just enforce my argument.......ppl buy the car base on branding & marketing more than the actual value of the car itself.

Every time ppl ask for a car of that range to buy..I say iriz is a really really good car....ppl just look at me like I'm a retard..and answer ' its a PROTON...puhleaaasseee....how it even b considered!'
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Er, in Europe cars are not that cheap, unless you go for a naked car with tiny engine (and not turbocharged or anything), steel rims and no radio or aircon. And several of the decent affordable cars sold in Europe are also sold in Malaysia, say the 208, Fiesta, Jazz, ... .

Mitsubishi is a Japanese brand, sure get benefit of a doubt? Sure people will think it is reliable and everything?

I agree with what you say about the Iriz and Proton in general, but the Mitsubishi just feels a bit sub par. It's not so competitive. Why not get a Picanto instead? Especially if you look at the discounts that are available these days... the only thing missing is the boot, but otherwise it's much more of a car.
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Because it has same items in every car in this world...
Got expansive cost, 4 tyres, one steering, got gear, got radio, etc...

The only major problem is because it has Mitsubishi Logo in-front and back of the car not Toyota, Honda, BMW, Merz, Audi, etc...

Logo is kind of the spoiler...
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it is a comfy car. i used to rent it in langkawi. interior sound is minimum. even with 1.2 engine the engine sound is not that intrusive. but the steering can feel the shake on idle. even cheapskate myvi dont have this issue should be because 3vs4 cylinder. but it is not that bad. i believe it is way more spacious than axia. should be compared to myvi instead. but i dont know how it perfoms on highway as we cant drive very fast on langkawi island.

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A simple solution like any other brands you can do to improve your handling.

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Why would any tom dick and harry buy a car like this and invest on it any more money to make it handle better? Is it an inferior product out of factory? This car is really not people friendly. Entering the rear doors is like entering a space module. The front are ok. Rear is not good compared to Myvi. Why pay so much for something badly thought for passengers? Its not like buying a coupe where the rear passenger are secondary. I drive a 2 door car every day so i do know what i am talking about. And its not cheap by any means. Suzuki are never really cheap in Malaysia. I know personally a Suzuki Wagon R that cost RM200K in Malaysia. A wagon R that is equivalent to a Kenari!!

The best Suzuki if you ever wanted one is the SX4. This Mirage & Attrage is almost like an afterthought. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Jul 10 2015, 12:45 AM)
Why would any tom dick and harry buy a car like this and invest on it any more money to make it handle better? Is it an inferior product out of factory? This car is really not people friendly. Entering the rear doors is like entering a space module. The front are ok. Rear is not good compared to Myvi. Why pay so much for something badly thought for passengers? Its not like buying a coupe where the rear passenger are secondary. I drive a 2 door car every day so i do know what i am talking about. And its not cheap by any means. Suzuki are never really cheap in Malaysia. I know personally a Suzuki Wagon R that cost RM200K in Malaysia. A wagon R that is equivalent to a Kenari!!

The best Suzuki if you ever wanted one is the SX4. This Mirage & Attrage is almost like an afterthought.  rolleyes.gif
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Why put more money to make it handle better? Good question. Because it is my money and it is not your money so why should you have a say on how other spent their money? Ru planning to subsidize any of our choices?

People friendly is by taking public transport.

Rear as in what rear? This car is a sedan with bootspace and the myvi is a hatch. Don't get your drift.

Why pay so much? Is simple, cars in Malaysia is overpriced.

SX4 is Suzuki and Attrage or Mirage is Mitsubishi. So your point is?
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QUOTE(cre8tif @ Jul 10 2015, 01:02 AM)
Why put more money to make it handle better? Good question. Because it is my money and it is not your money so why should you have a say on how other spent their money? Ru planning to subsidize any of our choices?

People friendly is by taking public transport.

Rear as in what rear? This car is a sedan with bootspace and the myvi is a hatch. Don't get your drift.

Why pay so much? Is simple, cars in Malaysia is overpriced.

SX4 is Suzuki and Attrage or Mirage is Mitsubishi. So your point is?
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Moral of story, don't buy an overpriced Suzuki or an overpriced Mitsubishi and then waste time replying the product is something you have to live with. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ledtechn @ Jul 9 2015, 11:54 PM)
it is a comfy car. i used to rent it in langkawi. interior sound is minimum. even with 1.2 engine the engine sound is not that intrusive. but the steering can feel the shake on idle. even cheapskate myvi dont have this issue should be because 3vs4 cylinder. but it is not that bad. i believe it is way more spacious than axia. should be compared to myvi instead. but i dont know how it perfoms on highway as we cant drive very fast on langkawi island.
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Engineering question. This car is running on EPS like the current generation of the Myvi,Toyota Vios. So literally, how would the steering shake when car is idle or is it shaking when moving? Post la YouTube. I am sure everyone would marvel at this amazing discovery.
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Jul 10 2015, 01:06 AM)
Moral of story, don't buy an overpriced Suzuki or an overpriced Mitsubishi and then waste time replying the product is something you have to live with.  laugh.gif
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The feeling is mutual.
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jul 9 2015, 11:13 PM)
Er, in Europe cars are not that cheap, unless you go for a naked car with tiny engine (and not turbocharged or anything), steel rims and no radio or aircon. And several of the decent affordable cars sold in Europe are also sold in Malaysia, say the 208, Fiesta, Jazz, ... .

Mitsubishi is a Japanese brand, sure get benefit of a doubt? Sure people will think it is reliable and everything?

I agree with what you say about the Iriz and Proton in general, but the Mitsubishi just feels a bit sub par. It's not so competitive. Why not get a Picanto instead? Especially if you look at the discounts that are available these days... the only thing missing is the boot, but otherwise it's much more of a car.
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Exactly lor...Europe well we don't live in Europe...we r in Malaysia....but for argument sake...they also bash mivi like no tommorow I don't see it stopping ppl from making it the best selling car here....I wonder why.???

Yes...its a Mitsubishi...its not a GODCAR....therefore it has its flaw...I think the question is...why is it not popular...no? Not why is it a perfect car.....

Again...u just reinforced my point.....picanto is smaller but much cheaper and equal to iriz in safety spec....it may even have more gadjets too....and cheapest of the 3...so why isn't there more picanto on the road??? Cuz Malaysia mentality lor...branding and RV...u want a b-seg..GODCAR lor...u want a c-seg altis or Cibic lor....u want d-seg...Camry lor...u want kcar mivi lor......ask anyone u meet on the street....most ppl can't tell u what is the specification of the car they own........oh and FC la...that's about the buying criteria of majority here...no?

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QUOTE(alvin ong @ Jul 9 2015, 08:31 PM)
Are you sure? I own both cars but my attrage does not vibrate when I reverse or during stop and go traffic unlike the axia.
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Alvin, just ignore these scammers.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Uncle Paul tan dot org is a fine example of a lot of pseudo-owners of cars whom is #01 good in talking as though they have the car even though they don't own it. What makes LYN an exception?

Just tell them best proof is a real Youtube video.

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Alvin, just ignore these scammers.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Uncle Paul tan dot org is a fine example of a lot of pseudo-owners of cars whom is #01 good in talking as though they have the car even though they don't own it. What makes LYN an exception?

Just tell them best proof is a real Youtube video.
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I feel u bro, TS ask why not popular...I say cuz of mentality...then dunno why so many ppl give reason why its a bad car.........I bet all this ppl only know how to drive a car...don't think they will even dirty a finger to change a light bulb....all pay ppl do...and yet it seems they know more about cars than anyone else....

Yeah it may not be the cheapest car in town...but I sure know it beats hell of a lot more over priced var in the market..like T n H....don't see them complaining....shrugs...why cuz its a T n H lor...
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QUOTE(cre8tif @ Jul 10 2015, 01:06 AM)
Engineering question. This car is running on EPS like the current generation of the Myvi,Toyota Vios. So literally, how would the steering shake when car is idle or is it shaking when moving? Post la YouTube. I am sure everyone would marvel at this amazing discovery.
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u think cheap car EPS means your steering is connected to your front tyre by a string of wire is it? behind your steering got position transducer is it? your car when off power then turn the steering your front wheel doesnt turn is it?

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QUOTE(stewPik @ Jul 10 2015, 01:22 AM)
Exactly lor...Europe well we don't live in Europe...we r in Malaysia....

Yes...its a Mitsubishi...its not a GODCAR....therefore it has its flaw...I think the question is...why is it not popular...no? Not why is it a perfect car.....

Again...u just reinforced my point.....picanto is smaller but much cheaper and equal to iriz in safety spec....it may even have more gadjets too....and cheapest of the 3...so why isn't there more picanto on the road???  Cuz Malaysia mentality lor...branding and RV...u want a b-seg..GODCAR lor...u want a c-seg altis or Cibic lor....u want d-seg...Camry lor...u want kcar mivi lor......ask anyone u meet on the street....most ppl can't tell u what is the specification of the car they own........oh and FC la...that's about the buying criteria of majority here...no?
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Bro, Malaysians car owners are one of the most fusiest lot in the world because we happened to be paying for overpriced cars. What typical Malaysians would want is bragging rights to the marque they drive but at the same time wants good FC, handling and resale value.

It would just tell them better use UBER or GrabCar instead. Enjoy the ride whilst no risk of ownership and comes with a driver.
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QUOTE(ledtechn @ Jul 10 2015, 01:32 AM)
u think cheap car EPS means your steering is connected to your front tyre by a string of wire is it?
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Errr I have driven many many many many car that steering vibrates also ma
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Errr I have driven many many many many car that steering vibrates also ma
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proton car also vibrate. one of my car is a proton . what i say above is myvi doesnt have this issue compared to the attrage. ive driven the brand new attrage with mileage about 13K km.
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QUOTE(ledtechn @ Jul 10 2015, 01:32 AM)
u think cheap car EPS means your steering is connected to your front tyre by a string of wire is it? behind your steering got position transducer is it? your car when off power then turn the steering your front wheel doesnt turn is it?
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You should start a new topic on EPS :-) !
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QUOTE(ledtechn @ Jul 10 2015, 01:40 AM)
proton car also vibrate. one of my car is a proton . what i say above is myvi doesnt have this issue compared to the attrage. ive driven the brand new attrage with mileage about 13K km.
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Tell the owner to ask for a refund :-) from Mitsubishi.

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QUOTE(ledtechn @ Jul 10 2015, 01:40 AM)
proton car also vibrate. one of my car is a proton . what i say above is myvi doesnt have this issue compared to the attrage. ive driven the brand new attrage with mileage about 13K km.
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U own a myvi? How many myvi u driven? U can tell me all myvi also don't suffer this issue? Proton also vibrate? So u saying proton vibrate...mitsu vibrate, proton chrap car therefore Mitsu cheap car is it???
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QUOTE(stewPik @ Jul 10 2015, 01:45 AM)
U own a myvi? How many myvi u driven? U can tell me all myvi also don't suffer this issue? Proton also vibrate? So u saying proton vibrate...mitsu vibrate, proton chrap car therefore Mitsu cheap car is it???
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rofl. ive driven a lot of cars that doesnt vibrate on idle. my proton is an old car with mileage nearly 200k KM. so i understand why it vibrates. u go check out how many new myvis has steering vibration issue on idle? vs new attrage. see which one smoother.

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QUOTE(stewPik @ Jul 10 2015, 01:45 AM)
U own a myvi? How many myvi u driven? U can tell me all myvi also don't suffer this issue? Proton also vibrate? So u saying proton vibrate...mitsu vibrate, proton chrap car therefore Mitsu cheap car is it???
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Chill bro. Don't fall into his trap.
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QUOTE(ledtechn @ Jul 10 2015, 01:48 AM)
rofl. ive driven a lot of cars that doesnt vibrate on idle. my proton is an old car with mileage nearly 200k KM. so i understand why it vibrates. u go check out how many new myvis has steering vibration issue on idle? vs new attrage. see which one smoother.
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Yes bro. I would recommend Perodua to hire you as their top sales. Mitsubishi makes crappy cars ok? Perodua the best! Ok. End of story.
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QUOTE(ledtechn @ Jul 10 2015, 01:48 AM)
rofl. ive driven a lot of cars that doesnt vibrate on idle. my proton is an old car with mileage nearly 200k KM. so i understand why it vibrates. u go check out how many new myvis has steering vibration issue on idle? vs new attrage. see which one smoother.
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Hmm..my family owns both the attrage n mirage....both also don't have such issue wor....how? Oh we own a myvi also...but the myvi vibrates occasionally....cuz it is old car lah....we also have proton....vibrate also la...old car again....got Benz also...no issue there...oh new hrv on the way..let me feedback got vibrate or not yah
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Chill bro. Don't fall into his trap.
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.just another example of MENTALITY there...use proton as a benchmark....its like proton vibrayebcuz its a crap car...so other car vibrate like a proton is a crap car lor....

LoL.....
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QUOTE(cre8tif @ Jul 10 2015, 01:52 AM)
Yes bro. I would recommend Perodua to hire you as their top sales. Mitsubishi makes crappy cars ok? Perodua the best! Ok. End of story.
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kesian. all the review i said above all good2 about this car except one thing about the steering vibration is inferior to the chapalang myvi, straight away cannot accept. okayla attrage good smoothest car around its price, powerful engine, highest dashboard quality, bestest fuel consumption.
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QUOTE(ledtechn @ Jul 10 2015, 01:58 AM)
kesian. all the review i said above all good2 about this car except one thing about the steering vibration is inferior to the chapalang myvi, straight away cannot accept. okayla attrage good smoothest car around its price, powerful engine, highest dashboard quality, bestest fuel consumption.
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Hahaha....normal lor...u kena bash cuz u had a bad experience.....but does it means all attrage/mirage also same? If yes....then my answer to u

So u complaint 1 issue means u complaint all la......therefore kena bash lor....

If No....no hard feelings la......I may sound like bashing u...but I am actually bashing more the fact that u sum everything up as if all car also have this issue bcuz u experience it on the car u drive , u think ur statement fair or not?
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QUOTE(ledtechn @ Jul 10 2015, 01:58 AM)
kesian. all the review i said above all good2 about this car except one thing about the steering vibration is inferior to the chapalang myvi, straight away cannot accept. okayla attrage good smoothest car around its price, powerful engine, highest dashboard quality, bestest fuel consumption.
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Yes bro, Proton is in fact like our Minister said to be on par with BMW In terms of quality too.
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QUOTE(stewPik @ Jul 10 2015, 02:03 AM)
Hahaha....normal lor...u kena bash cuz u had a bad experience.....but does it means all attrage/mirage also same? If yes....then my answer to u

So u complaint 1 issue means u complaint all la......therefore kena bash lor....

If No....no hard feelings la......I may sound like bashing u...but I am actually bashing more the fact that u sum everything up as if all car also have this issue bcuz u experience it on the car u drive , u think ur statement fair or not?
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haha. i said based on my experience on the car that ive driven. if not then all car reviewers should be stopped. as mostly they only tested one car. mana taw the owner here cannot accept my review. haha. i tot i already said nicely already not to bash this car badly.
QUOTE(ledtechn @ Jul 9 2015, 11:54 PM)
it is a comfy car. i used to rent it in langkawi. interior sound is minimum. even with 1.2 engine the engine sound is not that intrusive. but the steering can feel the shake on idle. even cheapskate myvi dont have this issue should be because 3vs4 cylinder. but it is not that bad. i believe it is way more spacious than axia. should be compared to myvi instead. but i dont know how it perfoms on highway as we cant drive very fast on langkawi island.
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but it is not that bad. still cannot prevent the owner from being hurt.
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QUOTE(ledtechn @ Jul 10 2015, 02:10 AM)
haha. i said based on my experience on the car that ive driven. if not then all car reviewers should be stopped. as mostly they only tested one car. mana taw the owner here cannot accept my review. haha. i tot i already said nicely already not to bash this car badly.

but it is not that bad. still cannot prevent the owner from being hurt.
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Hahaha....normal in Lyn lor....but hey...how else to pass time....no hard feeling bro...
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QUOTE(ledtechn @ Jul 10 2015, 02:10 AM)
haha. i said based on my experience on the car that ive driven. if not then all car reviewers should be stopped. as mostly they only tested one car. mana taw the owner here cannot accept my review. haha. i tot i already said nicely already not to bash this car badly.

but it is not that bad. still cannot prevent the owner from being hurt.
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QUOTE(cre8tif @ Jul 9 2015, 07:40 PM)
people wanted an eco car that sips petrol and light baru-lah beli this kereta. myself is a proud owner of this car. chassis where got soft? is the suspension that is soft la adoi  doh.gif ... only owners whom care to tune their suspension and ride setup baru ok. which car in boleh-land that is imported is not expensive leh? people pay RM200k for a  shakehead.gif BMW 316 is considered cheap vs an Passat 1.8 / A3 1.8T?  doh.gif apa logik?

it's very simple - there are so many choices of cars out there for any price range - you buy whichever you like and you think is a good for money's worth. just because every tom dick and harry likes a Vios and City doesn't mean I have to follow them right  icon_idea.gif ?
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Hey bro, as i said it is just a personal thought. No doubt every car has its own market. But the topic title is why the car is not popular in our market, so i'm just sharing some of my thoughts. Not bashing it is a bad car, dont get me wrong.
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In city drive should be ok right since always jam here and there
Ya. 3 cylinder in sedan ppl will think it's underpower, but mpst of the owner review at carbase.com say won't really feel it. I think I may test drive it only know.
A few k with all the interest can be a burden every month.. xD
I think I will be like you, after test drive won't consider anymore. Ya the owner review also say the engine sound roar when climbing hill.
Actually I get attracted to the push start button and keyless system. Honda City 6th Gen need 80k+ in order to have this features x.x
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U must understand, everybody got different feedback on underpower. For some, an Axia is underpowered. For some, its not.

It all depends on what kind of car u have driven b4, if u been driving a 2.0 car, then dwngrade to 1.0, sure will say underpowered la.

If u all the while driving 1.0 engine, then u chg to another car with 1.0 engine, sure u wont say its underpower.

So those reviews at carbasr, just take it with a pinch of salt.
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Simple, in thailand or some other countries, EEV cars are given tax rebate incentive. The attrage is sold cheaper compare to city, vios or almerra. Proton have not come out EEV engine therefore Gomen do not give tax rebate. We have to wait until proton develop an eev car first.
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QUOTE(HoyHoySum @ Jan 9 2017, 10:36 PM)
Simple, in thailand or some other countries, EEV cars are given tax rebate incentive. The attrage is sold cheaper compare to city, vios or almerra. Proton have not come out EEV engine therefore Gomen do not give tax rebate. We have to wait until proton develop an eev car first.
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The Ertiga is Proton's first EEV.
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Ertiga, I doubt it. I have check with a few owners and the real world fuel consumption is higher. I do not know how proton came out with that figure. We even test drive the Ertiga and the Meter show a miserable 8 or 9 km / liter...
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after experience few times driving company car with 3rd gen cvt vios, i don't think attrage is underpower, i bought attrage also because of company has this model, i used to outstation and feel like attrage quite good!
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Wanna ask, attrange when gear at D position go downhill gear got automatically raise rpm?
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post Jun 8 2019, 06:11 PM

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An expensive car for what it is, better buy a Bezza.

Is it still being sold? Thought Mitsubishi now only sells trucks and suvs?
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post Jun 8 2019, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ Jun 8 2019, 07:11 PM)
An expensive car for what it is, better buy a Bezza.

Is it still being sold? Thought Mitsubishi now only sells trucks and suvs?
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My wife is driving a 4 1/2 years Attrage, so far the car never give me any trouble all the while, just normal maintenance and replace wear & tear parts. When the time I bought is around RM60k+ and get a CBU car which the quality is definitely much better than those CKD even foreign brand in same class.






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post Jun 11 2019, 08:09 AM

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Elsewhere in USA

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mitsubishi-m...-124000937.html

Not that it will make any difference here....
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post Jun 17 2019, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(eddievh @ Jun 8 2019, 04:02 PM)
Wanna ask, attrange when gear at D position go downhill gear got automatically raise rpm?
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Normal la. Auto tend to downshift when go downhill, therefore higher rpm. It's like auto 'guna gear rendah'
clickNsnap
post Jun 17 2019, 04:17 PM

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Hi Mirage/Attrage owners.

I have an used original Mitsubishi Mirage 2013 front absorber (a pair) with original absorber mounting rubber for sale:
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=4771505&hl=

Btw, I am unsure Attrage and Mirage are having the same absorber part, can arrange to check at your foreman workshop around PJ area.

Thanks.

This post has been edited by clickNsnap: Jun 17 2019, 04:17 PM
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post Dec 9 2025, 12:39 PM

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Although this thread hasn't been updated in six years, I wanted to share my thoughts after two years of ownership. I purchased a used Attrage GS for approximately RM 20k.

Engine & Performance
The cabin is very quiet—at idle, I sometimes forget the car is running. NVH levels are decent, though largely dependent on road surface and tire choice. Acceleration is surprisingly good; the 0-100 km/h time is around 12 seconds, comparable to the more powerful Proton Saga MC3.

Handling & Ride
Handling is better than the general consensus suggests. I previously owned an Iriz and a Mazda with adjustable suspension and multilink setups, yet I still enjoy driving the Attrage at highway speeds. While the stock suspension is soft (and worn in my case), resulting in noticeable body roll, the car maintains good grip through corners.

Fuel Economy
The fuel consumption is outstanding. The CVT feels tuned for highway cruising; I achieve great mileage even at 110 km/h+ with a full load. The engine sits comfortably between 2k and 3k RPM at 110 km/h, automatically adjusting RPM on uphills to maintain speed.


Key Features
Audio: Speakers perform very well when paired with an aftermarket Android head unit.
Maneuverability: The turning circle is incredibly tight.
Climate Control: The digital air conditioning works perfectly.
CVT: Almost no whine compared to latest MYVI, only engine/road noise.

Verdict
For the price, I give this car a 10/10. It is a value-for-money vehicle that I genuinely enjoy owning.


FYI : this car almost 50/50 weight distribution, if I am not mistaken, it should be near 53% front / 47% rear. Based on weighing scale

This post has been edited by babisotong: Dec 9 2025, 02:57 PM

 

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