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 Working in Singapore V19, All About Living in The Little Red Dot

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shanelai I've flown into SG with only 4mths passport validity on EP (not even PR). Only complication was at the departing airport (Johannesburg), I had to show the check in agent my EP card as proof of SG long term residence. When reach SG that time just use autogate no problems at all.
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QUOTE(loverukianini @ Aug 4 2016, 11:32 AM)
hi, is it normal for foreigners like us to use agent to find our 1st room there?

QUOTE(LalaluSan @ Aug 4 2016, 12:22 PM)
For what my question is, and also loverukianini, do we need to find agent if we wanna rent room in SG. And why do we need agent for room renting in SG

QUOTE(LalaluSan @ Aug 4 2016, 03:57 PM)
And also, he said he doesn't charge agent fee. Sounds legit?

TLDR: As a tenant it is not compulsory to engage an agent and pay agent fee.

Long version: A landlord looking to rent out his property will (almost) always engage an agent to help him find tenant. This agent is the landlord's agent, he represents the interest of the landlord, and he charges the landlord 0.5 months rental per year of tenancy agreement as agent fee.

A tenant looking for a place to rent can (optional) engage an agent to help him look for a place to stay. This is your tenant's agent, who looks out for your interests, and he charges you 0.5 months rental per year of your tenancy agreement.

As a tenant, you can choose whether you want to have an agent or not. If you don't want, then whenever you look for rooms on propertyguru or wherever, you can ask the agent whether he is representing the seller. If he say yes, that means you are dealing directly with the landlord's agent (who gets paid by the landlord), and therefore you don't need to pay any agent fee to anybody. However of course you have to gaudim everything yourself because this agent has no reason to look out for you.
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post Aug 4 2016, 08:36 PM

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Got such thing meh?
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post Aug 4 2016, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(LalaluSan @ Aug 4 2016, 03:51 PM)
I see.. My agent told me that he doesn't charge us agent fee, so basically it sounds good to me, but the weird thing is that he required my FIN number (which later he told me that he needed it to register for the address), and i passed it to him without thinking twice  sad.gif 
Am i dealing with some kind of scam here or something?  sad.gif
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probably he just use your FIN number to borrow money from Ah Leong only.
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QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Aug 4 2016, 09:05 PM)
probably he just use your FIN number to borrow money from Ah Leong only.
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Ah Long you mean? Ah Leong sounds like someone specific doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(LalaluSan @ Aug 4 2016, 03:51 PM)
I see.. My agent told me that he doesn't charge us agent fee, so basically it sounds good to me, but the weird thing is that he required my FIN number (which later he told me that he needed it to register for the address), and i passed it to him without thinking twice  sad.gif 
Am i dealing with some kind of scam here or something?  sad.gif
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pls make sure tat ur landlord register ur info with HDB within seven days from the commencement of lease agreement.

it is to make sure tat whn u wanna renew ur pass, MOM can match ur current stay add wif the registered add (register by ur HR). if the add nt match, MOM wil nt allow u to renew ur pass.
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Aug 4 2016, 08:36 PM)
Stupid article written by brainless editor. better get the brain check. Wrongly imply the MoM regulation will cause salary hike
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QUOTE(knwong @ Aug 4 2016, 10:15 PM)
Stupid article written by brainless editor. better get the brain check. Wrongly imply the MoM regulation will cause salary hike
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MoM hike in my opinion makes it even harder for foreign talent to enter. This means, they really want experienced people working in the exact work environment where they need the manpower or expertise. Fresh grads or junior workforce, will find it even harder to enter because it will be harder for employers to justify to MoM to employ fresh foreign talents, and it will also be harder for them to offer that much to a foreign talent, more so, if he/she is still relatively new to the work field.
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QUOTE(LalaluSan @ Aug 4 2016, 11:36 AM)
Based on my friends explanation, foreigners like us would required to register with MOM for the place we are going to stay. Therefore, ppl like me (1st time staying in SG) are recommended to find an agent, as they will do all this process for us. Correct me if im wrong sifus  laugh.gif
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1) I would suggest that u and other new members read back what are the questions, feedback and comments as all these questions has been answered and discussed previously. (I did that few months back, here is not like /k/ so u surely learn new things every few pages u go through).
2) Online reading and google-ing around will help, some feedback may not be true because everything changes and it will be outdated especially those one-time off process.
3) SG is full of all kind of people comes from many countries, so don't worry everyone u meet not necessary Singaporean also, so don't feel like "foreigners like us" smile.gif

Regarding to room rental question: I believe it depends on what pass u holding, I was informed by landlords that certain pass (Excluding EP) requires them to register at HDB just to ensure that they do not overstay and reachable/contactable by authorities if needed. It is illegal to rent to those do not have valid permit e.g. expired permit and HDB landlord could lose their unit due to this. Not much hassle if EP holder.

QUOTE(TzeThon @ Aug 4 2016, 03:23 PM)
to be honest agent is not necessary. i find it too expensive to pay since most of them are useless.
just try to get a room from websites like ibilik or easyroommate. they are good enough. i got good rooms from easyroommate.
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I agree on this. Take time to make appointments and visit rooms, unless u don't have much time and rush, and want to have hassle-free then u can pay for getting agent sourcing the room for u (At premium because u can look for room yourself without agent so its a premium payment which is not necessary). I myself visited about 13-15 rooms two months back.
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QUOTE(tHeDuD3 @ Aug 4 2016, 09:37 PM)
pls make sure tat ur landlord register ur info with HDB within seven days from the commencement of lease agreement.

it is to make sure tat whn u wanna renew ur pass, MOM can match ur current stay add wif the registered add (register by ur HR). if the add nt match, MOM wil nt allow u to renew ur pass.
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Not all landlord will want to register with hdb, cause once you register, the rental will become taxable income, also it depends on whether your employer register your pass with company address or your actual address. My experience is employer register the pass with company address.
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QUOTE(kevin613 @ Aug 5 2016, 08:57 AM)
Not all landlord will want to register with hdb, cause once you register, the rental will become taxable income, also it depends on whether your employer register your pass with company address or your actual address. My experience is employer register the pass with company address.
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Is law tat landlord must register , and rental always been taxable , can't run one

If Ur landlord dun register brtter blackmail him for few months few rental
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QUOTE(LalaluSan @ Aug 4 2016, 03:51 PM)
I see.. My agent told me that he doesn't charge us agent fee, so basically it sounds good to me, but the weird thing is that he required my FIN number (which later he told me that he needed it to register for the address), and i passed it to him without thinking twice  sad.gif 
Am i dealing with some kind of scam here or something?  sad.gif
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Well, this agent (sorry I refuse to say "my agent" as he wasn't exactly servicing me) at first told me he's not charging me agent fees but after learning that I was interested in renting that room, he begin twisting his story, manipulating his words, and dunno somehow the room I view actually co-broke with his other partner. Although it seems to be legal, co-broking a rented room is not widely practiced and the fact that he wasn't honest and upfront about this thing wasn't cool with me. So, I just dropped it.

At the end of the day, he can't force it on me as he's actually the landlord's agent, not mine. To protect yourself, make sure you're well-informed of what should be their practices. Attached file is for your reference and info. Hope that helps. bruce.gif So far, I've shifted 3 times and found my previous + current place without any agent help and thankfully, no problems so far. rolleyes.gif


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Really speechless evrytime good rate, bank closed

Now withdraw money liao, rate all jatuh like tahi

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post Aug 5 2016, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Aug 4 2016, 03:35 PM)
Well, the first agent I dealt with shoved some documents for me to sign that says I appoint her exclusively which I flat out refused. Wanted a month's fee too. When we went to see the place another agent had the keys and she said the other agent was the one who wants the fees and she doesn't get anything, very cham sob story yada yada. Damned red flag dodgy. Sibeh greedy. Then when i didn't get back to her she calls and says fee can be halved cause she 'nego' with the other side. And when I didn't bite she said now free, to which i asked her why then are you working for free?

The other agent charging the landlord and giving her a cut, she wanted to worm a month's rent out of me on the sides methink.

Btw, I didn't pay agents fee at all in the end. I found my place on propertyguru sg.
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Appoint her exclusively for...?? So were you looking to rent a room or a whole unit? Can PM me her name / agent registration number for info sake?

There seems to be a lot of people here on forum having bad experience with agent. But I've also met some good, honest, hardworking agents. Hope people reading here don't start to develop a lopsided negative view of agents. Haha

Good on you that you've managed to find a good one without the help of an agent cool2.gif
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QUOTE(clofae @ Aug 5 2016, 09:07 AM)
Well, this agent (sorry I refuse to say "my agent" as he wasn't exactly servicing me) at first told me he's not charging me agent fees but after learning that I was interested in renting that room, he begin twisting his story, manipulating his words, and dunno somehow the room I view actually co-broke with his other partner. Although it seems to be legal, co-broking a rented room is not widely practiced and the fact that he wasn't honest and upfront about this thing wasn't cool with me. So, I just dropped it.

At the end of the day, he can't force it on me as he's actually the landlord's agent, not mine. To protect yourself, make sure you're well-informed of what should be their practices. Attached file is for your reference and info. Hope that helps. bruce.gif So far, I've shifted 3 times and found my previous + current place without any agent help and thankfully, no problems so far.  rolleyes.gif
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Yes, like I previosly mention, double agent (landlord and tenant) agent for one unit is possible , is actually a gray area here, landlord agent should not get fee frm tenant as he aldy paid by landlord, if he get double fee then u can go complaint him, But nvr wrong if he get another cobroker as tenant agant to charge u for it. Double win double untung

Regarding the employee registration , mom nvr really bother where u stay, like someone here mentioned , his pass actually with company address, which reminds me my previous experience having the same thing..... so we should not worried about the address for pass too. As most just use company address when u renewing pass. But I think law says u must have valid pass before u can rent a unit/room here, tats why some PPL will be forced to leave SG after one or two weeks, when his pass expired or terminated. Is against the law u still stay in SG without a valid pass.... that is also why landlord normally will need to register u as the tenant (however this should not be your concern, is landlord things to handle), u need to have valid pass to rent a room here plus Ur rental is taxable for the landlord.

Correct me if wrong

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QUOTE(huaweie5830 @ Aug 5 2016, 09:19 AM)
Yes, like I previosly mention, double agent (landlord and tenant) agent for one unit is possible , is actually a gray area here, landlord agent should not get fee frm tenant as he aldy paid by landlord, if he get double fee then u can go complaint him, But nvr wrong if he get another cobroker as tenant agant to charge u for it. Double win double untung

Regarding the employee registration , mom nvr really bother where u stay, like someone here mentioned , his pass actually with company address, which reminds me my previous experience having the same thing.....  so we should not worried about the address for pass too. As most just use company address when u renewing pass. But I think law says u must have valid pass before u can rent a unit/room here, tats why some PPL will be forced to leave SG after one or two weeks, when his pass expired or terminated. Is against the law u still stay in SG without a valid pass.... that is also why landlord normally will need to register u as the tenant (however this should not be your concern, is landlord things to handle), u need to have valid pass to rent a room here plus Ur rental is taxable for the landlord.

Correct me if wrong
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Yes, co-broking is legal. But I should also mention that when I viewed the room, this agent wasn't around. He just sms me the address ask me go view myself and told the landlord that someone is coming through sms. So, both the landlord and me have not met him and his other co-broke partner before. Does it make any sense for me and my landlord to pay them both (just to come up with the stupid 1-page generic Google-ble tenancy agreement) when they haven't serviced us in any way except for arranging for a meeting via sms? What easy money to make. If that's the case I should be an agent too, haha. rclxs0.gif
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QUOTE(clofae @ Aug 5 2016, 09:30 AM)
Yes, co-broking is legal. But I should also mention that when I viewed the room, this agent wasn't around. He just sms me the address ask me go view myself and told the landlord that someone is coming through sms. So, both the landlord and me have not met him and his other co-broke partner before. Does it make any sense for me and my landlord to pay them both (just to come up with the stupid 1-page generic Google-ble tenancy agreement) when they haven't serviced us in any way except for arranging for a meeting via sms? What easy money to make. If that's the case I should be an agent too, haha.  rclxs0.gif
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Well this is some bad service , thou some did like tat, some r quite good

Coz the good agent that plan to work long term in this line knws how to build up their reputation and protect their good name

Jus ignore them if u feel their service no good. Singapore is so fuking small, eventually their bad name news will spread like wing to whole industrial
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Aug 4 2016, 06:23 PM)
TLDR: As a tenant it is not compulsory to engage an agent and pay agent fee.

Long version: A landlord looking to rent out his property will (almost) always engage an agent to help him find tenant. This agent is the landlord's agent, he represents the interest of the landlord, and he charges the landlord 0.5 months rental per year of tenancy agreement as agent fee.

A tenant looking for a place to rent can (optional) engage an agent to help him look for a place to stay. This is your tenant's agent, who looks out for your interests, and he charges you 0.5 months rental per year of your tenancy agreement.

As a tenant, you can choose whether you want to have an agent or not. If you don't want, then whenever you look for rooms on propertyguru or wherever, you can ask the agent whether he is representing the seller. If he say yes, that means you are dealing directly with the landlord's agent (who gets paid by the landlord), and therefore you don't need to pay any agent fee to anybody. However of course you have to gaudim everything yourself because this agent has no reason to look out for you.
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Thanks... Now i can safely assume that my agent fall under "landlord's agent" category.

QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Aug 4 2016, 09:05 PM)
probably he just use your FIN number to borrow money from Ah Leong only.
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Don't bully me sad.gif I'm just having "young and dangerous not dangerous" blood in me.

QUOTE(clofae @ Aug 5 2016, 09:07 AM)
Well, this agent (sorry I refuse to say "my agent" as he wasn't exactly servicing me) at first told me he's not charging me agent fees but after learning that I was interested in renting that room, he begin twisting his story, manipulating his words, and dunno somehow the room I view actually co-broke with his other partner. Although it seems to be legal, co-broking a rented room is not widely practiced and the fact that he wasn't honest and upfront about this thing wasn't cool with me. So, I just dropped it.

At the end of the day, he can't force it on me as he's actually the landlord's agent, not mine. To protect yourself, make sure you're well-informed of what should be their practices. Attached file is for your reference and info. Hope that helps. bruce.gif So far, I've shifted 3 times and found my previous + current place without any agent help and thankfully, no problems so far.  rolleyes.gif
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Well, I'll take note of this. In coming week or 2 I'll be meeting up with my agent. sweat.gif I don't have much time left, hopefully rushing doesn't kill me. Also, mind pm me the "nickname" of the agent? Just for precaution purposes, pm and identity will be deleted.

QUOTE(tHeDuD3 @ Aug 4 2016, 09:37 PM)
pls make sure tat ur landlord register ur info with HDB within seven days from the commencement of lease agreement.

it is to make sure tat whn u wanna renew ur pass, MOM can match ur current stay add wif the registered add (register by ur HR). if the add nt match, MOM wil nt allow u to renew ur pass.
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I see. Thanks for the clarification. Just wondering, does agent themself able to register the above mentioned info?

This post has been edited by LalaluSan: Aug 5 2016, 10:16 AM
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QUOTE(WallChecker @ Aug 5 2016, 12:41 AM)
1) I would suggest that u and other new members read back what are the questions, feedback and comments as all these questions has been answered and discussed previously. (I did that few months back, here is not like /k/ so u surely learn new things every few pages u go through).
2) Online reading and google-ing around will help, some feedback may not be true because everything changes and it will be outdated especially those one-time off process.
3) SG is full of all kind of people comes from many countries, so don't worry everyone u meet not necessary Singaporean also, so don't feel like "foreigners like us" smile.gif

Regarding to room rental question: I believe it depends on what pass u holding, I was informed by landlords that certain pass (Excluding EP) requires them to register at HDB just to ensure that they do not overstay and reachable/contactable by authorities if needed. It is illegal to rent to those do not have valid permit e.g. expired permit and HDB landlord could lose their unit due to this. Not much hassle if EP holder.
I see... Another clarification solved my questions.. Sorry for the "post without using search" first, im only afraid on room renting procedure as what i heard from agent are different compared to Malaysia. So pretty much every sifu here explained everything. I'm settle with all my questions, thanks to all sifus. sweat.gif Wish everyone the best in your career path.

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