LCD Thread Ver 3.1, Everything about LCD monitor
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 Nov 28 2006, 07:25 PM, updated 19y ago
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This is a continuation from the Version 3.0 thread
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=315717&st=2220 Have fun~ p/s I deliberately put 3.1 instead of 4.0 just for the fun of it... 4.0 is reserved for the next-gen LCD panels... |
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Nov 28 2006, 07:30 PM
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next-gen? hmmm..
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Nov 28 2006, 07:40 PM
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my post from previous thread:
hi all! im new lcd user here  since all r thinking 2 get a widescreen but i jz got a 17" LG L1752S LCD  btw i hv a question here.. from my lcd spec: "Supported Colors : 16.2M Colors" wat's tat mean? my lcd oni support 16bit color? another question is wat d best screen refresh rate 4 lcd? i set resolution at 1024x768.. so better set refresh rate at 60Hz(min) or 75Hz(max)? wat's d different? soli 4 my noob question.. |
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Nov 28 2006, 07:45 PM
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waaaa 3.1........ i tot 4
 so i wonder how the next-gen LCD will be....!!   |
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Nov 28 2006, 07:46 PM
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Oh well Continuation from V3 then...
QUOTE(Sony Trinitron @ Nov 28 2006, 06:57 PM) Seriously Haruji, no one here really give a damn what u place order with, what you refund, etc. This LCD thread is turning into some crap..... Sorry then, I refrain from rantings from now on >_<. Yeah tend to get overcarried with Dell purchases sometimes (the nightmare and time that I had to undergo). The previous topic is like becoming a Dell discussion topic.   QUOTE(nckent @ Nov 28 2006, 07:17 PM) btw i hv a question here.. Question 1 - 16.2millions colors is as what is written. LCD Panel had two varieties (IIRC, correct me if i'm wrong), one is a 6-bit panel, which is capable of showing up to 16.2million colors, another is the 8-bit panel, which is capable of showing up to 16.7million colors. It doesnt mean your LCD can support only 16bit, you can put 32 bit no problem. It is just that a single pixel on your LCD is capable of delivering that kind of amount of color variation. (Again, correct me if I'm wrong)from my lcd spec: "Supported Colors : 16.2M Colors" wat's tat mean? my lcd oni support 16bit color? another question is wat d best screen refresh rate 4 lcd? i set resolution at 1024x768.. so better set refresh rate at 60Hz(min) or 75Hz(max)? wat's d different? Question 2 - Almost all LCD had a standart figure for refresh rate, and those refresh rate is normally @ 60Hz. 75Hz and all those are normally involved with CRT monitors. The best resolution to put your LCD monitor is the native resolution that is offered for that particular LCD monitor, for example, a 20 inch Wide Screen will have native res' of 1680*1050@60Hz, while a 24 inch wide will have 1920*1200@60Hz. This post has been edited by Haruji Sora: Nov 28 2006, 07:47 PM |
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How does this LCD panel for pcs compare to a Samsung LCD tv with a 10-bit panel, do I get better pictures if I were to go with a Samsung LCD tv? Just wondering.
QUOTE(Haruji Sora @ Nov 28 2006, 07:46 PM) Oh well Continuation from V3 then... Sorry then, I refrain from rantings from now on >_<. Yeah tend to get overcarried with Dell purchases sometimes (the nightmare and time that I had to undergo). The previous topic is like becoming a Dell discussion topic. Question 1 - 16.2millions colors is as what is written. LCD Panel had two varieties (IIRC, correct me if i'm wrong), one is a 6-bit panel, which is capable of showing up to 16.2million colors, another is the 8-bit panel, which is capable of showing up to 16.7million colors. It doesnt mean your LCD can support only 16bit, you can put 32 bit no problem. It is just that a single pixel on your LCD is capable of delivering that kind of amount of color variation. (Again, correct me if I'm wrong) Question 2 - Almost all LCD had a standart figure for refresh rate, and those refresh rate is normally @ 60Hz. 75Hz and all those are normally involved with CRT monitors. The best resolution to put your LCD monitor is the native resolution that is offered for that particular LCD monitor, for example, a 20 inch Wide Screen will have native res' of 1680*1050@60Hz, while a 24 inch wide will have 1920*1200@60Hz. |
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Nov 28 2006, 08:07 PM
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10 bit is the chip processing used for colours.. Some higher end lcd like Eizo used 12bit processing per colour. The lcd panel itself is still 8bit for each colour or 256 shades capable 256x256x256= 16.7 million. The processing of colours will in theory add more vibrance to certain images being displayed.
Most lcd tv are 1366x768 resolution .. except for the high end models of 37 inch and above that are able to output 1920x1080 resolution |
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Nov 28 2006, 08:27 PM
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Regarding refresh rate, what does the Hz actually means? 75Hz = The picture on the monitor can change 75 times in a sec? If that is so, our monitor can ever only display 75FPS or LCD 60FPS max? Or does the Hertz actually mean something else...
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Nov 28 2006, 11:51 PM
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Nothing such as 10 or 12 bit LCD panel la. Just the processing power to compensate for something they wanna achieve but couldnt do it with the conventional method. There are only two types for the moment being. You either get a 6 bit panel or 8 bit panel.
6 bit panel commonly known as TN screen which doesnt offer very wide viewing angles and its actually able to produce 256colors only, but manufacturers found some ways to dither the colors that they can display up to 16.2m color which is pretty close to 16.7m colors on typical 8 bit panel (honestly thats what they claimed, who knows). 8 bit panel are true 16.7m color lcd panel, which either is a MVA, PVA or S-IPS panel. These offer better colors n also viewing angles. Rem: Correct me if i made any mistakes.. Anyway, refresh rate doesnt matter much for LCD becos its different from CRT monitor. It has something to do with the ways they operate. One has to constantly shoot images onto the screen while the other one just change the color of effected pixel (IIRC, haha). Thats why something we play avi video on LCD, even b4 it plays, can see faint still images of the begining of the video but on CRT, its totally black. |
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Nov 29 2006, 12:46 AM
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10 bits panel..........wah i tot new stuff........... just another marketing gimmick............
btw next generation of LCD panel.........how far can it go ?? MVA and TN price is sliping by the days currently, so we may find 20" above MVA panels at TN prices of today.......... and 17" TN panels price of CRT a year ago......... |
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Nov 29 2006, 01:47 AM
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To summ up what I have read here..
6 bit panel = 16.2m colours 8 bit panel = 'true' 16.7m colours So, is it safe for me to assume that 8 bit panels produce much better colour and viewing angle compared to the 6 bit panel? Im planning to get either the Acer AL2216W(6 bit) or the Viewsonic VG2030 (8 bit) or the Viewsonic VX2235 (not so sure bit) which is rougly around the same price ~ RM 1300 +- Im really confused here, based on what i know VG2030w > AL2216W due to the 8 bit vs 6 bit (in terms of colour). But there's a review here that says that the acer produces more accurate colour! Reviewhere(assuming that there isnt any significant increase in perfomance of the Viewsonic panels in the lineup). Can someone clear this up for me? Thanks. Side note: dont really fancy a monitor that has built-in speakers as I will definitely not use it - dont feel its worth it to 'pay' for features that i dont need. This post has been edited by vassalle: Nov 29 2006, 04:25 AM |
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Nov 29 2006, 04:07 AM
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Got a question here, mostly new LCD is widescreen but I dislike the resolution because when playing game, some screen will be in black
If I expand to full screen the ratio will become uneven. Is the current Widescreen LCD still like that? I own a 17 Benq FP73G non widescreen |
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Nov 29 2006, 08:04 AM
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QUOTE(lAh0S @ Nov 28 2006, 11:51 PM) 6 bit panel commonly known as TN screen which doesnt offer very wide viewing angles and its actually able to produce 256colors only, but manufacturers found some ways to dither the colors that they can display up to 16.2m color which is pretty close to 16.7m colors on typical 8 bit panel (honestly thats what they claimed, who knows). 6 bit panel only produce 64 shades for each colour, three colours ... 64x64x64= 262k of colours not 256...It is using a dithering method which combines adjacent pixels to simulate the desired shade to form 16.2million |
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Nov 29 2006, 08:11 AM
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QUOTE(s[H) sIkuA,Nov 29 2006, 04:07 AM]Got a question here, mostly new LCD is widescreen but I dislike the resolution because when playing game, some screen will be in black It is not the problem of the widescreen LCD, but the game itself. Most newer games does offer native widescreen support, though some will need a sort of hack to unlock widescreen resolution (for example, all NFS series to date, including the latest Carbon)If I expand to full screen the ratio will become uneven. Is the current Widescreen LCD still like that? I own a 17 Benq FP73G non widescreen Games such as WoW, Guildwars, Oblivion, etc all had native widescreen res' support, so those games will play in full screen on a WS LCD. For older games like Warcraft III or something, yeah you have to bear with the 2 black bars on the side so the game dont appear fat. But is safe to say that widescreen support will be avalable to almost all future released games, though for some reason EA kept on $%@ that up with the NFS series, lazy ppl, they just need to add the option and some extra coding for Carbon to support WS, since it's XBox 360 counterpart supports WS in the first place >_< EDIT ----------------- @ vassalle Viewing angle is dependant on the panel used, as TN offer the least viewing angle and S-PVA/S-IPS panels offer the best viewing angle. Something like that. This post has been edited by Haruji Sora: Nov 29 2006, 08:14 AM |
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Nov 29 2006, 08:16 AM
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hmm i see , thanks for the info
 and heck the newest game I'd played is Carbon and they don't even have WS support |
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Nov 29 2006, 08:21 AM
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QUOTE(s[H]sIkuA @ Nov 29 2006, 08:16 AM) hmm i see , thanks for the info Carbon doesnt have native WS support because EA is being lazy. A large number of EA game doesnt have native WS support, IIRC the latest Battlefield also doesnt have it. and heck the newest game I'd played is Carbon and they don't even have WS supportBut other than EA, most other game developers give proper WS support on their games. BTW, Carbon is hackable to enable WS support, it is mentioned somewhere in the Widescreen Topic. And as I say, future wise, WS will be one of the norm alongside the ordinary 4:3 aspect monitors, and more games will be released to support WS. WS had an edge of giving more viewing area, and this holds esp. true for FPS game as you can see a wider view. ----------------------------------------------------- Oh well I guess that's enough about WS VS Normal LCD >_<. |
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Nov 29 2006, 10:16 AM
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Current Dell 19" LCD price not bad I think it risen abit earlier this month but went back down to near 799 now
Good buy? |
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Nov 29 2006, 11:01 AM
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hey guys..last week i saw dell 2407 selling rm2699 and yesterday i saw rm 2799 where 2day is rm 2599 valid for 3 days..do u guys think is better to wait till PC fair for the latest price or christmas day?
what is the lowest price u guys spotted before for 2407? So far iz the best and affortable screen to get in the market? i used to have Viewsonic Vx2025..but my gege steal it from me. sad i need to get another lcd..sob sob.. Thanks This post has been edited by terencetoo: Nov 29 2006, 11:01 AM |
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Nov 29 2006, 11:18 AM
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Are LCD tvs inferior to Plasma screens in terms of producing shades of grey. Panasonic Viera Plasma tv can produce 2086 shades of grey colour and displayers 686 billion colours (I think I should got that right) and that's what I saw in SenQ the other day. LCD tvs might offer higher resolutions than a Plasma tv because when it comes to colour reproduction, Plasma is still light years ahead of LCD technology. Am I right or I've missed out something? There are too many brands out there confusing me, Samsung claims that they have the first LCD panel with 13-Bit colour, some high end dvd players from Denon can output 13-Bit colour via HDMI, there are Plasma panels supporting 18-Bit colour. What does this mean? Marketing gimmick? That all screens can actually display a maximum of 8-Bit colour?
Some LCD panels from Viewsonic, LG, etc has a response time of 2ms but for Sony Bravia X, even with 8ms of response time, the reviewer mentioned that there was no smearing at all even for playing an XBOX 360 game. So, how did they derive to 2ms, grey to grey respnonse, grey to black response.  Hope that someone can be kind enough to clear my doubts. I'm planning to get a HDTV panel for my HT but I'm not sure which manufacturer is giving me a clear picture on what I'll be getting or expecting from the HDTV panel.  QUOTE(BeastX @ Nov 29 2006, 08:04 AM) 6 bit panel only produce 64 shades for each colour, three colours ... 64x64x64= 262k of colours not 256...It is using a dithering method which combines adjacent pixels to simulate the desired shade to form 16.2million |
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Nov 29 2006, 01:39 PM
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regard 2 refresh rate..
i heard tat higher refresh rate is better 4 gaming purpose.. izzit? oh yes.. wat is IIRC? This post has been edited by nckent: Nov 29 2006, 01:42 PM |
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Nov 29 2006, 02:32 PM
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higher refresh rate will result better viewing pleasure (less flicker), but i dun think lcd hv flicker, coz im using 60hz too on my lg widescreen, play game oso very good
check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refresh_rate and IIRC = If I Remember Correctly WYSIWYG This post has been edited by jayhan: Nov 29 2006, 02:36 PM |
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Nov 29 2006, 04:41 PM
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so which LCD can let u play in xbox360 with full resolution??
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Nov 29 2006, 05:04 PM
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@2kia, hows your 1907fp? what panel did you get
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Nov 29 2006, 05:41 PM
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QUOTE(sunauto @ Nov 29 2006, 11:18 AM) Are LCD tvs inferior to Plasma screens in terms of producing shades of grey. Panasonic Viera Plasma tv can produce 2086 shades of grey colour and displayers 686 billion colours (I think I should got that right) and that's what I saw in SenQ the other day. LCD tvs might offer higher resolutions than a Plasma tv because when it comes to colour reproduction, Plasma is still light years ahead of LCD technology. Am I right or I've missed out something? There are too many brands out there confusing me, Samsung claims that they have the first LCD panel with 13-Bit colour, some high end dvd players from Denon can output 13-Bit colour via HDMI, there are Plasma panels supporting 18-Bit colour. What does this mean? Marketing gimmick? That all screens can actually display a maximum of 8-Bit colour? I think its a bit like cars...Some LCD panels from Viewsonic, LG, etc has a response time of 2ms but for Sony Bravia X, even with 8ms of response time, the reviewer mentioned that there was no smearing at all even for playing an XBOX 360 game. So, how did they derive to 2ms, grey to grey respnonse, grey to black response. Hope that someone can be kind enough to clear my doubts. I'm planning to get a HDTV panel for my HT but I'm not sure which manufacturer is giving me a clear picture on what I'll be getting or expecting from the HDTV panel. Like Toyota claimed 110 horse power, but you never get all 110 on wheel... Its the same here... It sports a digital processor capable of processing upto 13bit, but what are the exact number that are being displayed? None of the manufacturer dare to point out other fault cos everyone of them use marketting gimmick. |
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Nov 29 2006, 07:04 PM
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QUOTE(terencetoo @ Nov 29 2006, 11:01 AM) hey guys..last week i saw dell 2407 selling rm2699 and yesterday i saw rm 2799 where 2day is rm 2599 valid for 3 days..do u guys think is better to wait till PC fair for the latest price or christmas day? Dell 240WFP7 lowest price that I saw before (might be wrong, but this is what I remember) is RM2450 or RM2499 (around there)what is the lowest price u guys spotted before for 2407? So far iz the best and affortable screen to get in the market? i used to have Viewsonic Vx2025..but my gege steal it from me. sad i need to get another lcd..sob sob.. If you have no hurries for a LCD Monitor, and willing to wait, and want to get a 2407WFP, then you can wait. I am sure the 2.4k range price will come back one day, just a matter of when only. It might happen on the next price revision, or the following month, or 2-3 months down the road. The idea of the best and affordable screen to get in the market is very vague if you didnt provide a budget . Some might say a 1.3k LCD is affordable, but some ppl will say anything that goes above the 1k mark is not affordable.QUOTE(nckent @ Nov 29 2006, 01:39 PM) regard 2 refresh rate.. LCD has no problems with this, only when it comes to CRT Monitors that you want a higher refresh rate to induce less "flicker" images that you might notice (for example, if you snap a photo on film, a CRT will show flickers but an LCD dont)i heard tat higher refresh rate is better 4 gaming purpose.. izzit? This post has been edited by Haruji Sora: Nov 29 2006, 07:05 PM |
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Nov 29 2006, 08:22 PM
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thx all! tis thread is nice.. especially 4 newbie like me
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Nov 29 2006, 08:46 PM
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i saw Dell LCD on viewnet pricelist.
why is the shop selling it? i thought Dell doesn't have middle man. |
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Nov 29 2006, 09:35 PM
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Nov 29 2006, 08:46 PM) i saw Dell LCD on viewnet pricelist. huh? as i noe, many shops r selling dell lcd wo..why is the shop selling it? i thought Dell doesn't have middle man. |
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Nov 30 2006, 04:20 PM
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Hi All,
Would like to get some opinion from you all, I'm thinking of getting new LCD Monitor for my PC, What brand is nice? I got 2 brand on my selection, 1. LG L1718S-BN 17" LCD Monitor 2. Samsung 940BW Any other recommandation? please advice.. Thank Q~~ |
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Nov 30 2006, 04:43 PM
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Dont get a 1718... thats all I wanna say...
I have one for office and I hate to say that it sucks... In contrast bought another model for my mum, 1750Q and its better... |
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Nov 30 2006, 04:44 PM
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QUOTE(BaDtzBaDtz @ Nov 30 2006, 04:20 PM) Hi All, i sure go 4 Samsung in tis case cozWould like to get some opinion from you all, I'm thinking of getting new LCD Monitor for my PC, What brand is nice? I got 2 brand on my selection, 1. LG L1718S-BN 17" LCD Monitor 2. Samsung 940BW Any other recommandation? please advice.. Thank Q~~ 940BW is 19" while L1718S oni 17" This post has been edited by nckent: Nov 30 2006, 04:46 PM |
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Nov 30 2006, 06:49 PM
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wat i suggest is walk around the IT mall and get some target to hunt for it....after that sit infront of computer and google for the review...
but dun believe the review 100%...see through ur eye... Im also applied the same b4 i brought my dell 2007.... |
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Nov 30 2006, 09:15 PM
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Nowadays at LCD market price is still not so stable..... Better brought 20" above is more ideal for all multi-usage LCD monitor.
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Nov 30 2006, 09:29 PM
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dell 2407 wfp goin to be RM2349 + 5 years warranty during pcfair!
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Nov 30 2006, 11:15 PM
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QUOTE(marky @ Nov 30 2006, 09:29 PM) dell 2407 wfp goin to be RM2349 + 5 years warranty during pcfair! *Sweatdrop*You sure about that? Only in PC Fair? I am paying like an extra RM250 if this is true >_<. Do update me if the price is true, bcoz I will call up Dell and made hell out of their phoneline about this matter. Hmm BTW, did Dell ever had booths in PC Fair? I cant seriously remember. Maybe they do, but do they sell LCD Monitors there? I was under the impression their main sales are driven through online/telephony, only certain models made it to shops in LYP. ---------------------------------------- BTW about cleaning up the LCD Monitor, I cant seem to find a good place to purchase 3M Clothes to wipe my monitor. Any ideas where to get it? This post has been edited by Haruji Sora: Nov 30 2006, 11:24 PM |
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Nov 30 2006, 11:40 PM
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Aiyer... all so pricey eh... i just use it for normal home use ....
any other suggestion or recommand ar??? lAh0S: btw.. why LG wan not good ar? why u say it sux ar? |
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Nov 30 2006, 11:54 PM
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There's nothing wrong with LG lah, it's due to personal preferences only, the latest LG LCD monitors are not bad, very good contrast and brightness. You can go to pc shops and have a look at them. You'll be amazed with the performance and price. Not too expensive.
QUOTE(BaDtzBaDtz @ Nov 30 2006, 11:40 PM) Aiyer... all so pricey eh... i just use it for normal home use .... any other suggestion or recommand ar??? lAh0S: btw.. why LG wan not good ar? why u say it sux ar? |
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Nov 30 2006, 11:58 PM
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QUOTE(marky @ Nov 30 2006, 09:29 PM) dell 2407 wfp goin to be RM2349 + 5 years warranty during pcfair! where in the world did you get this information from? really should check out the pc fair tomorrow then. |
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Dec 1 2006, 12:03 AM
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QUOTE(vassalle @ Nov 30 2006, 11:58 PM) where in the world did you get this information from? really should check out the pc fair tomorrow then. #$@# It is true. Dell online price just got updated to RM2349 with Free 5 years warranty. OMG, tomorrow I am going to call sales and make complain. I rather cancel my order and lose RM80 (possibily) and reorder on the new price instead.It is RM250 cheaper than the RM2599 I ordered two days back. Grrrrrr.... On other news, the other LCDs on Dell also encounter some form of price drop. Dell 2007WFP is @RM1299 Dell E207WFP is @RM1099 Dell 1907Fp is @RM849. All these come with Free 5 years Warranty. This post has been edited by Haruji Sora: Dec 1 2006, 12:09 AM |
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Dec 1 2006, 12:07 AM
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QUOTE(Haruji Sora @ Dec 1 2006, 12:03 AM) #$@# It is true. Dell online price just got updated to RM2349 with Free 5 years warranty. OMG, tomorrow I am going to call sales and make complain. I rather cancel my order and lose RM80 (possibily) and reorder on the new price instead. U ordered 2 days ago when pcfair is around the corner? U should've known better... It is RM250 cheaper than the RM2599 I ordered two days back. Grrrrrr.... |
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Dec 1 2006, 12:09 AM
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QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Dec 1 2006, 12:07 AM) U ordered 2 days ago when pcfair is around the corner? U should've known better... i will have to agree with that mate.... |
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Dec 1 2006, 12:10 AM
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wah 5 yrs warranty and 2349............ itchy already........
to hook up ur PS3, may be u can see benQ new 24 A-MVA panel......review seems quite good and support full HD gaming experience |
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Dec 1 2006, 12:11 AM
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QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Dec 1 2006, 12:07 AM) U ordered 2 days ago when pcfair is around the corner? U should've known better... I was in a hurry to make a new order for refunding my 2007WFP (refunding while having a new order in place will waive every single refunding process, and ensuring i get back the exact amount I paid). Oh well nvm I call up tomorrow and see the sales can do anything for me or not. Worse come to the worse I lose up some money to cancel and reorder. Still can save RM250. |
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Dec 1 2006, 12:13 AM
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QUOTE(Haruji Sora @ Dec 1 2006, 12:11 AM) I was in a hurry to make a new order for refunding my 2007WFP (refunding while having a new order in place will waive every single refunding process, and ensuring i get back the exact amount I paid). Oh well nvm I call up tomorrow and see the sales can do anything for me or not. Worse come to the worse I lose up some money to cancel and reorder. Still can save RM250. icic.... i think u can still take the offer since u haven't get your lcd rite?  |
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Dec 1 2006, 12:13 AM
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QUOTE(Haruji Sora @ Dec 1 2006, 12:11 AM) I was in a hurry to make a new order for refunding my 2007WFP (refunding while having a new order in place will waive every single refunding process, and ensuring i get back the exact amount I paid). Oh well nvm I call up tomorrow and see the sales can do anything for me or not. Worse come to the worse I lose up some money to cancel and reorder. Still can save RM250. oic, hope u get some refund then... good luck...This post has been edited by LPJ: Dec 1 2006, 12:13 AM |
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QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Dec 1 2006, 12:13 AM) icic.... i think u can still take the offer since u haven't get your lcd rite? QUOTE(LPJ @ Dec 1 2006, 12:13 AM) oic, hope u get some refund then... good luck... No I havent receive the LCD because the estimate delivery is around next Tues-Thrus.But the cheque has been cleared >_<. Oh well I'll see what the sales can do for me tomorrow. Must call them up and make noise >_< Errm enough of my ordeal with Dell in LCD Topic >_<. Last LCD topic version my ordeal with Dell also telan so many unnecessary postings, I will refrain from posting anymore. Maybe I make a small post/update tomorrow to update if I can get any refund or any cancellation/reordering to take place or not. Signing off the topic for now |
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Dec 1 2006, 12:25 AM
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QUOTE(Haruji Sora @ Dec 1 2006, 12:03 AM) #$@# It is true. Dell online price just got updated to RM2349 with Free 5 years warranty. OMG, tomorrow I am going to call sales and make complain. I rather cancel my order and lose RM80 (possibily) and reorder on the new price instead. damn it....now they offer the lowest price.....Rm1299+5years warranty...It is RM250 cheaper than the RM2599 I ordered two days back. Grrrrrr.... On other news, the other LCDs on Dell also encounter some form of price drop. Dell 2007WFP is @RM1299 Dell E207WFP is @RM1099 Dell 1907Fp is @RM849. All these come with Free 5 years Warranty. Grab it now before late!!!!!!!!! i got my 2007WFP for Rm1368 with 4 years warranty...3 weeks ago... |
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Dec 1 2006, 12:34 AM
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yes it is great offer rite now for 2007wfp as well as 2407
but isnt there alot of ppl dissapointed with 2007wfp ? winlose how was ur 2007wfp btw. |
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Dec 1 2006, 12:40 AM
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Anyone here just recently bought the Dell 2407? IS it worth the money spent on it (or the RM 2349 that will be spent on it if i decide to get it)?
Done reading some of these "PRO" reviews and to be honest, it kinda got me confused. Banding issues etc, dont really know to what extent i'm bothered with it. Would really like a 'layman's' opinion on the TFT. |
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Dec 1 2006, 12:40 AM
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QUOTE(BaDtzBaDtz @ Nov 30 2006, 11:40 PM) Aiyer... all so pricey eh... i just use it for normal home use .... aiya... i dont comdemn LG lar...any other suggestion or recommand ar??? lAh0S: btw.. why LG wan not good ar? why u say it sux ar? you read my post properly... the model you mention 1718 sucks cos I got one... on the other hand, i got another LG model which is 1750Q (made in korea)... its much better cos higher contrast n color... even my gf who isnt a pc enthusiast can tell which is better... thats mean it really sucks already... |
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Dec 1 2006, 12:48 AM
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QUOTE(vassalle @ Dec 1 2006, 12:40 AM) Anyone here just recently bought the Dell 2407? IS it worth the money spent on it (or the RM 2349 that will be spent on it if i decide to get it)? Aiyo... no more banding in desktop mode liao la...Done reading some of these "PRO" reviews and to be honest, it kinda got me confused. Banding issues etc, dont really know to what extent i'm bothered with it. Would really like a 'layman's' opinion on the TFT. Moreover its not like you gonna notice it when playing games, watching video or surfing net... Besides I dont really mind the price difference between RM1299 and the price I paid which is 1329. What you really wish for is a dead pixel free monitor and S-IPS. Im damn happy with mine to justify the price difference. Besides its end of the year liao, who knows what dell will ship out. Heard that more n more 2007WFP using alternative panel liao. Try your luck now and see what you got. Who knows if next year they will start all new production using PVA panel... |
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Dec 1 2006, 01:10 AM
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QUOTE(lAh0S @ Dec 1 2006, 12:48 AM) Try your luck now and see what you got. Who knows if next year they will start all new production using PVA panel... Err.. sounds pretty scary aint it? What panel are they using currently for the 2407 model? |
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Dec 1 2006, 01:38 AM
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2407 all using PVA... no lottery as LG-Philips doesnt produce 24inch S-IPS panel... there ya go...
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Dec 1 2006, 06:18 AM
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QUOTE(winlose2582 @ Dec 1 2006, 12:25 AM) damn it....now they offer the lowest price.....Rm1299+5years warranty... It should be 3 years warranty. I dont remember Dell offering 4 years warranty before, it should be either 3 or 5 years IIRC.Grab it now before late!!!!!!!!! i got my 2007WFP for Rm1368 with 4 years warranty...3 weeks ago... QUOTE(vassalle @ Dec 1 2006, 12:40 AM) Anyone here just recently bought the Dell 2407? IS it worth the money spent on it (or the RM 2349 that will be spent on it if i decide to get it)? The banding issue is more or less totally eliminated on the recent batches of Dell monitors, and currently Dell monitor for both 2007WFP and 2407WFP is standing at Revision A03.Done reading some of these "PRO" reviews and to be honest, it kinda got me confused. Banding issues etc, dont really know to what extent i'm bothered with it. Would really like a 'layman's' opinion on the TFT. Most of the LCD Monitor reviews online arefor both of these monitor are usually on the Rev A00, which are well known for Banding due to some color chip issue (in fact Banding issue are ongoing until RevA02 on some online reports). Dell kinda recitify this issue on the desktop mode (by disabling something), but it still exisit in some extend on the other two modes which is Multimedia and Gaming mode. But normal day to day use you probably even noticed the banding, and if you stick to Desktop mode (as most of users do, too lazy to switch mode so many single time for me) you probably wont see any banding at all. Layman opinion is if the monitor has zero dead/stuck pixel on delivery, it is good enough About the worth of the 2407WFP, yes the price is higher, doubling the price of 2007WFP (in fact you can buy 2 2007WFP with the normal price). But need to ask you back, if you can shell that kind of money, and what are you going to use the monitor for? 24 inch true power comes with it's higher native resolution, which is 1920*1200 when compared to the 1680*1050 res' that is offered on the 20 inch wide counterpart. The S-PVA used on the 2407 might be slightly lower in terms of overall picture quality on the S-IPS 2007WFP (esp the A02 version, it has one of the best pic quality I saw, even better than the A03, but that might be just me), but Contrast wise and Brightness wise, the 2407 emerge as victors. Also not forgetting the response time. Some micellaneous extras that 2407WFP has over the 2007WFP is an additional 9 in 2 card reader, and a Component input. My friend has clarified for me by hooking the Sony PS2 using component instead of composite/s-video, the picture quality has tremendously improve and they're are less scanlines and flicker to worry about. Scanlines and flickers, esp. on text are very notorious on the composite input >_< (it is expected anyways). Most monitors nowadays, which includes the 2407WFP has HDCP support, so no problem in displaying HD videos for the future on Vista, XBox360, or the PS3 (you can always use HDMI -> DVI convertor for hooking up those future console onto a Dell LCD) Oh an I forget, the additional 4 inch is quite alot, the monitor look significantly bigger, in fact when my frn first receive it (he was upgrading from 17 inch LCD i think) he say it is too big (yeah right, nothing is too big in this world )So if it is up to you to think about is the almost double price of 2407WFP is worth the money or not. My 2407WFP will only be delivered around next week, so I cant say anything about owning it and using it day by day. But my frn received it last weekend and he's enjoying the monitor and has no regrets on his purchase. --------------------------------- EDIT - Small update. I got a refund from Dell due to the current low price of 2407WFP. (Original order price RM2599, current price RM2349). So they will refund me RM250, but I wont be elligible for the 5 years warranty because my order was processed priorly, oh well gain back my money but lose out one offer, still a good result >_<. This post has been edited by Haruji Sora: Dec 1 2006, 09:11 AM |
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Dec 1 2006, 10:16 AM
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QUOTE(lAh0S @ Dec 1 2006, 01:38 AM) 2407 all using PVA... no lottery as LG-Philips doesnt produce 24inch S-IPS panel... there ya go... You are wrong. LG.Philips do have 24" S-IPS (LM240WU1) and it's rare because it's an extremely expensive panel due to economies of scales. |
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Dec 1 2006, 10:27 AM
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30in for 4699!
i bought my 24in a few months ago for 2469. feel like upgrading already. sigh |
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Dec 1 2006, 10:43 AM
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Guys,
Dell's 30 incher has dropped to RM4,699...anyone comtemplating to make that purchase? or anyone already has one? Btw, i'm just curious whether a 7600GT would be able to support 1) a single 30" OR 2) a 24" + 19" I'm afraid it might overload the cpu/gpu. |
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Dec 1 2006, 10:51 AM
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I'm abit torn to get 2407WFP for RM2399 and spending abit more to get those cheaper 40" plasma/lcd panels from LG
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Dec 1 2006, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE(atomica @ Dec 1 2006, 10:27 AM) 30in for 4699! 4699? Holy shiat! I'm gonna haf a good look at this offer at the PC Fair today.i bought my 24in a few months ago for 2469. feel like upgrading already. sigh This post has been edited by ianho: Dec 1 2006, 11:30 AM |
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Dec 1 2006, 11:34 AM
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yay 2007WFP arriving today.
 hope i don't regret choosing this over other 19" - 22" monitors. can't wait to test out the PIP features and all. |
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Dec 1 2006, 12:36 PM
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QUOTE(Strik3 @ Dec 1 2006, 10:43 AM) Btw, i'm just curious whether a 7600GT would be able to support 7600GT should support at least one 30 inch 2560x1600 display, some 7600GT come with 2 DL-DVI so you will be able to run 2 30 inchers in 2d. 1) a single 30" OR Dell will be releasing new 3007wfp-HC just for additional info, get rid of stock maybe or more likely sell together with the newer model at a premium. This post has been edited by BeastX: Dec 1 2006, 12:47 PM |
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Dec 1 2006, 01:04 PM
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QUOTE(BeastX @ Dec 1 2006, 12:36 PM) 7600GT should support at least one 30 inch 2560x1600 display, some 7600GT come with 2 DL-DVI so you will be able to run 2 30 inchers in 2d. Beastx,Dell will be releasing new 3007wfp-HC just for additional info, get rid of stock maybe or more likely sell together with the newer model at a premium. That's assuring..thanks. I see that you're using the Dell 24" WS. I'm considering btw the 24" WS and 30" but not sure if the 30 incher would be too gigantic on a typical PC table for viewing as in the distance would be too close. Your point of view? |
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Dec 1 2006, 01:39 PM
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30 inch has a tighter pixel pitch 0.25mm and 0.27mm on 2407. (4Mpixels on 30 inch, 2.3Mpixels on the 24.) So the human eye perception differs from one person to another.. but because of the smaller pixel pitch u will have to sit close on a 3007 when compared 2407 for the same pixel perception. If you have very good near sighted perception 30/24 will not make that much of a difference. Bigger screen/more pixels is always better.. with that said for one 3007 you can get two 2407
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Dec 1 2006, 02:03 PM
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Gosh i just saw the awesome offer!
impressive!!!!i 100% going ot get it by 2omorrow. do they have to order via online or i can make my order from the booth? gosh im so happy...i'v been waiting for ages..(from my previous post) from 2699,2599,2799 n now 2439 hehe is my 32mb nvidia Geforce4 420Go can handle to native resolution? hmm but it can support the 20.1 lcd..  |
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I wanna buy a lcd monitor. first i tought of buying samsung 205BW 20" widescreen. but my friend told me that this lcd just looks same with samsung 940BF 19" LCd with price diff RM400. please suggest me what is the best lcd now with price not more than RM 1000.
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Dec 1 2006, 02:42 PM
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@sajy2k
i think u can get Samsung 940BW 19" Widescreen LCD at bout RM800 |
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Dec 1 2006, 02:57 PM
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w00t. finally setup my 2007WFP - damn satisfied!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dec 1 2006, 03:29 PM
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how abt the spec ? is the 205Bw is low spec ?
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Dec 1 2006, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Dec 1 2006, 02:57 PM) w00t. finally setup my 2007WFP - damn satisfied!!!!!!!!!!!!  come share some review on your new toy and some pics of it while your at it! |
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QUOTE(Strik3 @ Dec 1 2006, 10:43 AM) Guys, Depends on what apps/games you run on each monitor,Dell's 30 incher has dropped to RM4,699...anyone comtemplating to make that purchase? or anyone already has one? Btw, i'm just curious whether a 7600GT would be able to support 1) a single 30" OR 2) a 24" + 19" I'm afraid it might overload the cpu/gpu. If you play fullscreen DVD on one monitor while playing a texture heavy game on another of course your GPU will be overloaded. I've seen a friend of mine with 7600GT running a 2404WFP + 2007FP dual set up, one screen with Internet explorer while the other with photoshop, didn't notice any overload sign... |
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Dec 1 2006, 06:45 PM
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Photoshop + IE of course, even a 9000SE can handle.
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Dec 1 2006, 07:22 PM
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woot..just join the 2007wfp lottery ehhe...my order nvr write dvi cable...does it come with it? those that order online
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Dec 1 2006, 07:35 PM
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hi, i need some advice on getting a new lcd for my computer. hehe.
my specs are Intel LGA775 Pentium 4 CPU, ATI RADEON(R) XPRESS 200 Northbridge on board. my budget is RM800 or less. which models are suitable? thanks..  |
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Dec 1 2006, 07:51 PM
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anyone getting 30in?
really, really can't decide if i should upgrade from 24in to 30in. the only issue i have with 30in is that it doesn't not have component inputs. i will probably get ps3 in the future and i will not be able to connect it to the 30in monitor. |
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does graphic card affect by LCD size?
cuz after I change my monitor from 17" to LCD 19" (1024x768 change to 1280x1024) i feel performance issue. btw, my graphic card is Geforce 4 Ti4200 64MB memory. |
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how do u guys buy the dell lcd?
is the payment using cash or credit card or cheque at pc fair? wanna know, cos i don't have credit card or cheque. is it pay deposit first, then pay the remaining when the product reach my house? This post has been edited by Skylinestar: Dec 1 2006, 08:18 PM |
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QUOTE(Siow @ Dec 1 2006, 07:35 PM) hi, i need some advice on getting a new lcd for my computer. hehe. IMO u can get a Samsung 940BW 19" Widescreen LCD bout RM800..my specs are Intel LGA775 Pentium 4 CPU, ATI RADEON(R) XPRESS 200 Northbridge on board. my budget is RM800 or less. which models are suitable? thanks.. QUOTE(jackal1950 @ Dec 1 2006, 08:04 PM) does graphic card affect by LCD size? d higher resolution will consume much of ur gc's resourcescuz after I change my monitor from 17" to LCD 19" (1024x768 change to 1280x1024) i feel performance issue. btw, my graphic card is Geforce 4 Ti4200 64MB memory. so d performance may lower This post has been edited by nckent: Dec 1 2006, 08:24 PM |
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Dec 1 2006, 08:53 PM
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Dec 1 2006, 08:18 PM) how do u guys buy the dell lcd? No...is the payment using cash or credit card or cheque at pc fair? wanna know, cos i don't have credit card or cheque. is it pay deposit first, then pay the remaining when the product reach my house? They will wait for you to bank in the total amount and then you will have to fax or emel them the copy of the transaction. After that only they will proceed with your order... received first then pay... if you know any shop that do that, please let me know... hehehe |
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Dec 1 2006, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE(lAh0S @ Dec 1 2006, 08:53 PM) No... that means i transfer money from my bank account to dell? got such payment ahh?They will wait for you to bank in the total amount and then you will have to fax or emel them the copy of the transaction. After that only they will proceed with your order... received first then pay... if you know any shop that do that, please let me know... hehehe does that applies to pc fair too? |
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Dec 1 2006, 09:12 PM
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QUOTE(marky @ Dec 1 2006, 07:22 PM) woot..just join the 2007wfp lottery ehhe...my order nvr write dvi cable...does it come with it? those that order online Yes it does come with DVI, if it doesnt (maybe due to packaging error), you can call up the Cust. Service and request for them to send it to you.QUOTE(atomica @ Dec 1 2006, 07:51 PM) anyone getting 30in? Use HDMi -> DVI Covertor for PS3 la. IIRC PS3 Component is restricted to 720 output only, when compared to the 1080 ouput through HDMI. So theoritically speaker, the quality of graphics through component will be lower than the HDMI output.really, really can't decide if i should upgrade from 24in to 30in. the only issue i have with 30in is that it doesn't not have component inputs. i will probably get ps3 in the future and i will not be able to connect it to the 30in monitor. QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Dec 1 2006, 08:18 PM) how do u guys buy the dell lcd? is the payment using cash or credit card or cheque at pc fair? wanna know, cos i don't have credit card or cheque. is it pay deposit first, then pay the remaining when the product reach my house? QUOTE(lAh0S @ Dec 1 2006, 08:53 PM) No... They will wait for you to bank in the total amount and then you will have to fax or emel them the copy of the transaction. After that only they will proceed with your order... received first then pay... if you know any shop that do that, please let me know... hehehe QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Dec 1 2006, 08:59 PM) that means i transfer money from my bank account to dell? got such payment ahh? OK I mixed all these 3 together. Dell DO NOT accept cash payment, or bank TT (IIRC). From what I know, it is either Credit Card, Cheque, or Bank Draft.does that applies to pc fair too? You can go to any bank, bring the cash, and purchase a bank draft. Once you purchase the bank draft, call up Dell and arrange them to pick it up from you (they'll send someone over your home to pick up the bank draft/cheque). Once they pick it up, it should take a day from the to clear the transaction, ONLY when the transaction is cleared your order will be processed, then delivery will take place around 3-5 days after the order process provided they're no delays and such. I am not sure about PC Fair, I dont think Dell sells monitor through COD in PC Fair right? Only a booth to showcase their stuff? Not really sure, havent go PC Fair |
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hmmm.... dell got sell it's lcds in pc fair ka? ....
then.. is it still a lottery system for the lcd we bought? can someone confirms it? thanks.. hehe btw, if buy through online... , we pay by credit card? |
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Dec 1 2006, 09:47 PM
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[quote=Haruji Sora,Dec 1 2006, 09:12 PM]
Yes it does come with DVI, if it doesnt (maybe due to packaging error), you can call up the Cust. Service and request for them to send it to you. Use HDMi -> DVI Covertor for PS3 la. IIRC PS3 Component is restricted to 720 output only, when compared to the 1080 ouput through HDMI. So theoritically speaker, the quality of graphics through component will be lower than the HDMI output. really? that is cool. cause i don't need component inputs in that case |
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Dec 1 2006, 10:31 PM
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Dell's 24 incher is cheap man ..... tempting!!!
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QUOTE(OniZuKa @ Dec 1 2006, 12:34 AM) yes it is great offer rite now for 2007wfp as well as 2407 Mine 2007wfp serve me very well....especially for movie which i not need to turn the lcd up or down to get the best position. bcos my bed is put on ground.but isnt there alot of ppl dissapointed with 2007wfp ? winlose how was ur 2007wfp btw. Somemore, the contrast ratio for the lcd also quite good, not so bright for surf net. I had some problem with the lcd with high brightness, cos it too bright for surf net and eye also tired after long time. Somemore, is trouble for me to keep on changing the brightnes ratio. QUOTE(Haruji Sora @ Dec 1 2006, 06:18 AM) It should be 3 years warranty. I dont remember Dell offering 4 years warranty before, it should be either 3 or 5 years IIRC. The price for 2007wfp was Rm1339 and i plus 1 more year warranty then become 4 years warranty lo...the total was Rm1368....The banding issue is more or less totally eliminated on the recent batches of Dell monitors, and currently Dell monitor for both 2007WFP and 2407WFP is standing at Revision A03. Most of the LCD Monitor reviews online arefor both of these monitor are usually on the Rev A00, which are well known for Banding due to some color chip issue (in fact Banding issue are ongoing until RevA02 on some online reports). Dell kinda recitify this issue on the desktop mode (by disabling something), but it still exisit in some extend on the other two modes which is Multimedia and Gaming mode. But normal day to day use you probably even noticed the banding, and if you stick to Desktop mode (as most of users do, too lazy to switch mode so many single time for me) you probably wont see any banding at all. Layman opinion is if the monitor has zero dead/stuck pixel on delivery, it is good enough About the worth of the 2407WFP, yes the price is higher, doubling the price of 2007WFP (in fact you can buy 2 2007WFP with the normal price). But need to ask you back, if you can shell that kind of money, and what are you going to use the monitor for? 24 inch true power comes with it's higher native resolution, which is 1920*1200 when compared to the 1680*1050 res' that is offered on the 20 inch wide counterpart. The S-PVA used on the 2407 might be slightly lower in terms of overall picture quality on the S-IPS 2007WFP (esp the A02 version, it has one of the best pic quality I saw, even better than the A03, but that might be just me), but Contrast wise and Brightness wise, the 2407 emerge as victors. Also not forgetting the response time. Some micellaneous extras that 2407WFP has over the 2007WFP is an additional 9 in 2 card reader, and a Component input. My friend has clarified for me by hooking the Sony PS2 using component instead of composite/s-video, the picture quality has tremendously improve and they're are less scanlines and flicker to worry about. Scanlines and flickers, esp. on text are very notorious on the composite input >_< (it is expected anyways). Most monitors nowadays, which includes the 2407WFP has HDCP support, so no problem in displaying HD videos for the future on Vista, XBox360, or the PS3 (you can always use HDMI -> DVI convertor for hooking up those future console onto a Dell LCD) Oh an I forget, the additional 4 inch is quite alot, the monitor look significantly bigger, in fact when my frn first receive it (he was upgrading from 17 inch LCD i think) he say it is too big (yeah right, nothing is too big in this world )So if it is up to you to think about is the almost double price of 2407WFP is worth the money or not. My 2407WFP will only be delivered around next week, so I cant say anything about owning it and using it day by day. But my frn received it last weekend and he's enjoying the monitor and has no regrets on his purchase. --------------------------------- EDIT - Small update. I got a refund from Dell due to the current low price of 2407WFP. (Original order price RM2599, current price RM2349). So they will refund me RM250, but I wont be elligible for the 5 years warranty because my order was processed priorly, oh well gain back my money but lose out one offer, still a good result >_<. |
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QUOTE(jackal1950 @ Dec 1 2006, 08:04 PM) does graphic card affect by LCD size? bro, i still using my Gforce2 440....but if u set the display up to native resolution, the quality of display will be effected.cuz after I change my monitor from 17" to LCD 19" (1024x768 change to 1280x1024) i feel performance issue. btw, my graphic card is Geforce 4 Ti4200 64MB memory. I think ur gf card is better quality then mine 1 la...Ti4200 le... Like my case, i set the native resolution, i had some problem with icon name blur... looks like cap ayam display.... See the sample... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/win...582/display.jpg But when i change back to 1368 x 768....then the display is nice.... //Edited...view by zip file...photobucket limit the resolution size... This post has been edited by winlose2582: Dec 1 2006, 11:03 PM Attached File(s) 
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Just placed an order for a 30 incher, the price is really too cheap. Gonna use it as a wall hanging in the kitchen to play some cooking show while cooking.
BeastX, any nice vesa wall mount to recommend? I don't think they have it locally here, I'm ready to splash for online purchase. |
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Dec 2 2006, 12:35 AM
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Im so close in placing an order for the 2407.. too tempting laa..
To beastx and kianwee and whoever who owns the 2407, hows the picture quality like for those 350mb tv series ie lost, prison break on that screen? Is it too stretched (don't know how else to describe it)? My gripe is that I've seen on my friends 21 inch imac, the picture quality for the 350mb tv series was kinda bad coz it was stretched (partly perhaps due to the fact that its screen is wide as well). Hopefully thats not the case with the 2407. |
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Dec 2 2006, 07:52 AM
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Dec 1 2006, 08:59 PM) that means i transfer money from my bank account to dell? got such payment ahh? You go buy online la...does that applies to pc fair too? Payment option there got Telegraphic Transfer... If it wasnt available why they put it there... But then again it takes a couple of days to get through... |
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Dec 2 2006, 12:26 PM
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Hmm.. Just bek from PC faire, now i decided to give up LG and go for Samsung 740BF or 940BW.
Samsung 740BF 17" RM765 Free logitech opt mouse n keyboard Samsung 940BW 19" RM810 Free logitech keyboard However i dont know which 1 i shld go for... Please advice |
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QUOTE(BaDtzBaDtz @ Dec 2 2006, 12:26 PM) Hmm.. Just bek from PC faire, now i decided to give up LG and go for Samsung 740BF or 940BW. extra 50 can get 19'' rather 17'', why not?Samsung 740BF 17" RM765 Free logitech opt mouse n keyboard Samsung 940BW 19" RM810 Free logitech keyboard However i dont know which 1 i shld go for... Please advice |
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QUOTE(BaDtzBaDtz @ Dec 2 2006, 12:26 PM) Hmm.. Just bek from PC faire, now i decided to give up LG and go for Samsung 740BF or 940BW. i'd advise you to take RM 800 and look around in Garage Sale for some good deals on 19" monitors. or heck just do it at shops. Samsung 740BF 17" RM765 Free logitech opt mouse n keyboard Samsung 940BW 19" RM810 Free logitech keyboard However i dont know which 1 i shld go for... Please advice i don't see why you should go for 2MS LCDs when 8MS works just fine. |
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Dec 2 2006, 01:32 PM
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News on Dell upcoming new LCD. [WideScreen]
Yes we have the 20inch, 24 inch and the 30inch variant from Dell. So what is next? The 27 inch will be launched in the near future! Here's a link to the news. http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/01/samsung...nt-27-inch-lcd/ For those who is lazy to open the link, here's a summary of the news. The new 27 inch WideScreen from Dell will be based on Samsung's LTM270M1 panel. This panel is most likely to produce 6ms response time, 3000:1 contrast ratio, 500cd/m2 brightness, and should be encased with the same manner for all Dell LCDs, a black thin frame. PS - Some other website states that the expected contrast would be 1000:1, so not sure if it is 1k or 3k >_<. Maybe engadget made a typo No ideas on what is the expected price or any concrete date of launch, but a 27 inch widescreen will sure to be release in the near future from Dell (expectation of course, is around a 2007 release date) EDIT - More details on the panel that the 27 incher would use (information ripped from Samsung's website) [LTM270M1] Size 27.0" Resolution WUXGA Number of Pixels 1,920 x 1,200 Active Area(mm) 581.8 x 363.6 Pixel Pitch(mm) 0.303 Mode S-PVA Number of Colors 16.7M Contrast Ratio(typ.) 1000:1 Brightness(cd/m2) 500 Response Time(ms at 25C) 8 (G/G) Viewing Angle(U/D/L/R) 90/90/90/90 Interface LVDS (2Ch) Outline Dimension(mm) 651.8 x 397.6 x 38.5 This post has been edited by Haruji Sora: Dec 2 2006, 01:41 PM |
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Dec 2 2006, 02:47 PM
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anyone has any comment on new Samsung 932B? styling quite nice, but how about performance?
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Dec 2 2006, 02:57 PM
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QUOTE(BaDtzBaDtz @ Dec 2 2006, 12:26 PM) Hmm.. Just bek from PC faire, now i decided to give up LG and go for Samsung 740BF or 940BW. go 4 940BW.. 19" Widescreen LCD.. Samsung 740BF 17" RM765 Free logitech opt mouse n keyboard Samsung 940BW 19" RM810 Free logitech keyboard However i dont know which 1 i shld go for... Please advice |
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Dec 2 2006, 03:20 PM
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i was thinking of getting 940bw b4, but after have a good at it with other lcd, i feel 19' widescreen is small on the height... now i am thinking getting the normal screen lcd... like the new samsung 932b, only rm779 from one of the booth in pc fair
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Dec 2 2006, 03:47 PM
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Yesterday saw 2 lcds which cost RM100K above...
This LCD is a 5MP Medical LCD greyscale display monitor, the resolution for the monitor is really big enough and details to view the xray photo. This Barco lcd has a self calibration probe at the corner of Lcd and it will calibrate the lcd itself when found the lcd out of calibration....Nice... No wonder 2 lcds oredi cost Rm100K above.... |
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Dec 2 2006, 03:54 PM
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QUOTE(Haruji Sora @ Dec 2 2006, 01:32 PM) News on Dell upcoming new LCD. [WideScreen] Wah....good....The 27" LCd is my 1st choice...dunno the price will slash to Rm3K onot...Yes we have the 20inch, 24 inch and the 30inch variant from Dell. So what is next? The 27 inch will be launched in the near future! Here's a link to the news. http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/01/samsung...nt-27-inch-lcd/ For those who is lazy to open the link, here's a summary of the news. The new 27 inch WideScreen from Dell will be based on Samsung's LTM270M1 panel. This panel is most likely to produce 6ms response time, 3000:1 contrast ratio, 500cd/m2 brightness, and should be encased with the same manner for all Dell LCDs, a black thin frame. PS - Some other website states that the expected contrast would be 1000:1, so not sure if it is 1k or 3k >_<. Maybe engadget made a typo No ideas on what is the expected price or any concrete date of launch, but a 27 inch widescreen will sure to be release in the near future from Dell (expectation of course, is around a 2007 release date) EDIT - More details on the panel that the 27 incher would use (information ripped from Samsung's website) [LTM270M1] Size 27.0" Resolution WUXGA Number of Pixels 1,920 x 1,200 Active Area(mm) 581.8 x 363.6 Pixel Pitch(mm) 0.303 Mode S-PVA Number of Colors 16.7M Contrast Ratio(typ.) 1000:1 Brightness(cd/m2) 500 Response Time(ms at 25C) 8 (G/G) Viewing Angle(U/D/L/R) 90/90/90/90 Interface LVDS (2Ch) Outline Dimension(mm) 651.8 x 397.6 x 38.5 Got 1 question, the Pixel Pitch(mm) =0.303 is equal to how many MP oh?? |
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Dec 2 2006, 07:42 PM
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QUOTE(BaDtzBaDtz @ Dec 2 2006, 12:26 PM) Hmm.. Just bek from PC faire, now i decided to give up LG and go for Samsung 740BF or 940BW. bought 940bw for RM790 yesterday..logitech keyboard as the free gift...enjoying it now.. Samsung 740BF 17" RM765 Free logitech opt mouse n keyboard Samsung 940BW 19" RM810 Free logitech keyboard However i dont know which 1 i shld go for... Please advice |
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Dec 2 2006, 09:27 PM
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QUOTE(winlose2582 @ Dec 2 2006, 03:54 PM) Wah....good....The 27" LCd is my 1st choice...dunno the price will slash to Rm3K onot... ai yo. same res as 24inGot 1 question, the Pixel Pitch(mm) =0.303 is equal to how many MP oh?? |
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Dec 2 2006, 09:50 PM
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want to clarify something
for those who hook up ps2 on their 2407 / 2007 wfp, using composite / s-video plug into the lcd? and where is the audio plug to ? computer speaker n how ? |
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Dec 2 2006, 09:53 PM
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Hello Guys,
Im quite new in using LCD, Till now still using a Samsung CRT monitor.  Im Planning in getting a LCD display panel early next year with budget arround 1k Need you sifu's suggestion on what model that is suitable. Ive browse through on the forum and found out so many option with TN, S-PVA,HDMI support and so on. Kinda blur a bit. Can someone elaborate more? My rig is white so hoping for a white LCD display or even grey if can la.. really appriciate your help. Thanks in advance |
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Dec 2 2006, 10:14 PM
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Hi guys, I'm so used to the screen filter on my CRT. Just wondering any LCD screen filters would actually do any good.
I switched to a LG L194WT few days ago and set the colour temp to 6000k for better colour tones on pictures. Its very glaring even though I have set the brightness to 0. Anyone has a better solution on it? |
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Dec 2 2006, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE(OniZuKa @ Dec 2 2006, 09:50 PM) want to clarify something Use a convertor to convert the 2 audio jack in to a jack that is compatible to your sound card/speaker inputs.for those who hook up ps2 on their 2407 / 2007 wfp, using composite / s-video plug into the lcd? and where is the audio plug to ? computer speaker n how ? Or else you can use a fiber optics for audio (what I did). EDIT --------------------- QUOTE(XCremator @ Dec 2 2006, 09:53 PM) Im Planning in getting a LCD display panel early next year with budget arround 1k For 1k budget you probably do not to worry about input options as most of LCDs with more input options are above the 1.3k mark. And I think you mean HDCP, not HDMI (HDMI is another form of input, which is technically higher in grade than component)Need you sifu's suggestion on what model that is suitable. Ive browse through on the forum and found out so many option with TN, S-PVA,HDMI support and so on. Kinda blur a bit. Can someone elaborate more? My rig is white so hoping for a white LCD display or even grey if can la.. White LCD Frame, hmm I think a Samsung monitor (forgot which model already, is totally in white, would look very nice )For technical terms of what is S-PVA, TN, HDCP and all, you can always go to wikipedia and search Been explained so many times in the previous LCD Topic that abit lazy to retype all those info again Go here --> (http://www.wikipedia.org/) QUOTE(fishbone @ Dec 2 2006, 10:14 PM) Hi guys, I'm so used to the screen filter on my CRT. Just wondering any LCD screen filters would actually do any good. A screen filter for CRT is actually to reduce glare and some form of radiation. Since LCD does not have radiation at all, so having a filter in front of an LCD would help abit in reducing glare, which is the problem you're having right now. In fact some LCD like Dell has anti-glare coating to counter this problem, I guess the LG L194WT doesnt have anti-glare coating then I switched to a LG L194WT few days ago and set the colour temp to 6000k for better colour tones on pictures. Its very glaring even though I have set the brightness to 0. Anyone has a better solution on it? EDIT2 - Suprisingly the tech specs for the LG L194WT does have AntiGlare as coating, oh well give the filter a try. You can try putting the old CRT filter above the LCD on one portion to see if the difference would help or not This post has been edited by Haruji Sora: Dec 2 2006, 11:08 PM |
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Dec 2 2006, 11:18 PM
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hi all...pls advice if whether Ben-Q's FP93G X 19" is worth it or not for around RM775...moreover, my gc is on board ATI Xpress 200...thanks
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Dec 3 2006, 12:21 AM
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currently using 15" ViewSonic..thinking of upgrade to 19" wide or not
anyone knows ViewSonic 19" VX922 how much?or any 19 wide would be nice..jz wanna avoid Samsung and ACER coz my 2 bros already used 'em.. nowadays 19" standard RM7**..there's ACER and it was like RM750 This post has been edited by afosz: Dec 3 2006, 12:37 AM |
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Dec 3 2006, 02:49 AM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 2 2006, 12:49 PM) extra 50 can get 19'' rather 17'', why not? actually not price problem ler, i worried my system might not able to support leh.  cos of using internal graphic card leh... |
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Dec 3 2006, 02:54 AM
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Dec 2 2006, 01:20 PM) i'd advise you to take RM 800 and look around in Garage Sale for some good deals on 19" monitors. or heck just do it at shops. but the contrast ratio of 19" is only 500:1 ler... and 17" is 700:1 wor..i don't see why you should go for 2MS LCDs when 8MS works just fine. I'm so confusing ler |
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Dec 3 2006, 02:56 AM
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QUOTE(LPJ @ Dec 2 2006, 03:20 PM) i was thinking of getting 940bw b4, but after have a good at it with other lcd, i feel 19' widescreen is small on the height... now i am thinking getting the normal screen lcd... like the new samsung 932b, only rm779 from one of the booth in pc fair Errm.. U mean the PC faire in penang?? if is penang ar, what name wor?QUOTE(bLuE^dEv|L @ Dec 2 2006, 07:42 PM) bought 940bw for RM790 yesterday..logitech keyboard as the free gift...enjoying it now.. Btw where u bought ar?This post has been edited by BaDtzBaDtz: Dec 3 2006, 02:59 AM |
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Dec 3 2006, 02:57 AM
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QUOTE(BaDtzBaDtz @ Dec 3 2006, 02:54 AM) but the contrast ratio of 19" is only 500:1 ler... and 17" is 700:1 wor.. then go find a 19" monitor that suits your contrast ratio lor. what i mean is that i'd rather use the same $$$$ to get a 19" instead of 17", regardless of how low is the MS for that 17".I'm so confusing ler |
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Dec 3 2006, 03:02 AM
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Dec 3 2006, 02:57 AM) then go find a 19" monitor that suits your contrast ratio lor. what i mean is that i'd rather use the same $$$$ to get a 19" instead of 17", regardless of how low is the MS for that 17". but pricey leh... i think around RM900++ |
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Dec 3 2006, 05:18 AM
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I see some 30" plasma's going for 2999 now
Wonder if it is usable to play WoW on it or not |
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Dec 3 2006, 09:40 AM
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QUOTE(BaDtzBaDtz @ Dec 3 2006, 02:54 AM) but the contrast ratio of 19" is only 500:1 ler... and 17" is 700:1 wor.. if u wan d higher contrast ratio then go 4 LG wif >1000:1I'm so confusing ler |
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Dec 3 2006, 10:41 AM
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QUOTE(BaDtzBaDtz @ Dec 3 2006, 02:56 AM) Btw where u bought ar? pc fair at klcc |
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Dec 3 2006, 11:19 AM
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i suppose... LG's high high contrast ratio lcd... somewhat ends up many users complaining on tooooooo bright... bright tillllllll hurting thier eyes... eventhough they already set the brightness to 0 ... also bright like hell...
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Dec 3 2006, 01:23 PM
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The contrast ratio depends on user preference and environment lighting condition.. if you're planning on using in a bright lighting room then the contrast ratio will play its part
else if you using the LCD in a dark room (no lighting) then if the contrast too high sure burn ur eyes lo.. |
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Dec 3 2006, 06:52 PM
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QUOTE(phunkydude @ Dec 3 2006, 11:19 AM) i suppose... LG's high high contrast ratio lcd... somewhat ends up many users complaining on tooooooo bright... bright tillllllll hurting thier eyes... eventhough they already set the brightness to 0 ... also bright like hell... im using LG n yes, it's veli bright..but it's good 4 gaming or watching movie |
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Dec 3 2006, 06:59 PM
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QUOTE(BaDtzBaDtz @ Dec 3 2006, 03:02 AM) but pricey leh... i think around RM900++ have you even bother to check out 19" that's around RM 700+ ? |
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Anyone here using LG L1750T?
I accidentally changed the preset value for color temperature(&some options) in service menu, now the color looks kinda weird to me... L1750T users & Sifu-sifu here please help. Please post up the default value for all options in the service menu. Or how can I reset them to the default value? Thanks. This post has been edited by BSOD: Dec 3 2006, 07:09 PM |
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Dec 3 2006, 07:13 PM
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Hi.... i got a question to ask, i just got a dell wfp2007 lcd and also a new PS2. But problem now is i dun have sound!! So, wanna ask all sifus how to connect to my ps2 to speakers r??
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Dec 3 2006, 09:12 PM
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QUOTE(whooi @ Dec 3 2006, 07:13 PM) Hi.... i got a question to ask, i just got a dell wfp2007 lcd and also a new PS2. But problem now is i dun have sound!! So, wanna ask all sifus how to connect to my ps2 to speakers r?? Go to audiophiles. This is not the place for this question. Thanx thanx |
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Dec 3 2006, 09:49 PM
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Thinking of getting 24 inch monitor.So far Samsung,Dell and Benq seems to be popular choicce.In terms of review it seems Samsung 244T has best review.From Samsung Malaysia website I can't find any 244T model on it.Both Samsung and Benq has no price listing of their LCDs in their website.Any recomendation in terms of pro and con between these 3 LCD monitors brand if I need to choose which to buy?
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Dec 3 2006, 10:37 PM
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dell's lcd... free delivery... , applies for east malaysia ka?
>_< promo deals gonna end soon... |
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Dec 3 2006, 11:15 PM
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QUOTE(BSOD @ Dec 3 2006, 07:07 PM) Anyone here using LG L1750T? u can reset de..I accidentally changed the preset value for color temperature(&some options) in service menu, now the color looks kinda weird to me... L1750T users & Sifu-sifu here please help. Please post up the default value for all options in the service menu. Or how can I reset them to the default value? Thanks. btw im using L1752S but i think LG's settings should b same Menu -> Setup (last one) -> Factory Reset (enter till next page then u will c) |
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Dec 4 2006, 08:10 AM
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Just an opinion... I got a 1718 that doesnt haf reset function inside the menu... just press the 'enter' shaped button to reset...
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Dec 4 2006, 10:00 AM
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pc fair ended, i still haven't bought my LCD... hesistate to buy samsung 932B because it is still new... didn't want to buy the very cheap Acer 19' because i have bad experience with Acer...
anyone know anything about samsung 932B? care to share? well... maybe this is also a blessing i didn't buy yet... so i can save more money to buy a bigger one in the next pc fair... haha... |
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Dec 4 2006, 10:04 AM
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now i'm thinking whether i should get DELL 30" or just normal LCD TV like Philips or Sharp (yes, the type you see at HSL).
the DELL has higher resolution, coming at more than 2k pixels for width alone while the normal LCD TVs come at slightly less than 1.4k pixels. |
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Dec 4 2006, 10:35 AM
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Dec 4 2006, 10:04 AM) now i'm thinking whether i should get DELL 30" or just normal LCD TV like Philips or Sharp (yes, the type you see at HSL). really,the DELL has higher resolution, coming at more than 2k pixels for width alone while the normal LCD TVs come at slightly less than 1.4k pixels. what bout the new Sony Bravia TV. I think they got more than 1.4k pixel la.. can somebody advise? Saw in PC fair, my air liur meleleh leleh |
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Dec 4 2006, 12:33 PM
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QUOTE(nckent @ Dec 3 2006, 11:15 PM) u can reset de.. If you select Factory Reset in the normal menu, will it reset the those settings in Service Menu also?btw im using L1752S but i think LG's settings should b same Menu -> Setup (last one) -> Factory Reset (enter till next page then u will c) I tot those settings in Service Menu is the Factory/Default settings which the Factory Reset option refer to? |
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Dec 4 2006, 01:19 PM
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QUOTE(BSOD @ Dec 4 2006, 12:33 PM) If you select Factory Reset in the normal menu, will it reset the those settings in Service Menu also? wat's d service menu u referred to?I tot those settings in Service Menu is the Factory/Default settings which the Factory Reset option refer to? in my lg lcd menu, thr r oni 1. picture 2. color 3. position 4. tracking 5. setup factory reset will reset whole settings |
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Dec 4 2006, 03:38 PM
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Dec 3 2006, 06:59 PM) i hunted for LCD monitors for past months so i know the price of 19" monitors. trying search on this monitor during pc faire. however unable to get it.. have you even bother to check out 19" that's around RM 700+ ? Lastly bought the 17" 740BF @RM750 with Free logitech mouse&keyboard, RM30 KFC voucher +Xpack starterkit. This post has been edited by BaDtzBaDtz: Dec 4 2006, 03:39 PM |
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Dec 4 2006, 07:34 PM
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QUOTE(BaDtzBaDtz @ Dec 4 2006, 03:38 PM) trying search on this monitor during pc faire. however unable to get it.. Wow 17" for RM750? Lastly bought the 17" 740BF @RM750 with Free logitech mouse&keyboard, RM30 KFC voucher +Xpack starterkit. I thought one can get 19" Widescreen at RM800 or less. Hmm. Maybe you mean 19"? |
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Dec 4 2006, 07:36 PM
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well i brought a 19" LG from LYN for RM810
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Dec 4 2006, 07:41 PM
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QUOTE(Archaven @ Dec 4 2006, 07:34 PM) Wow 17" for RM750? 740BF is cum wif 2ms n dvi tat's y costly I thought one can get 19" Widescreen at RM800 or less. Hmm. Maybe you mean 19"? |
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I passed by a BenQ shop (PJ) yesterday,
FP241W for RM3299, no stock on display, have to order first... Anyone here got FP241W already? From what I've read from other forum, it seems to be more superior than Dell 2407WFP. This post has been edited by ahsham: Dec 4 2006, 07:46 PM |
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Dec 4 2006, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE(ahsham @ Dec 4 2006, 07:45 PM) I passed by a BenQ shop (PJ) yesterday, If it's RM 3.3K and it's not superior than Dell, then it's not worth the purchase honestly FP241W for RM3299, no stock on display, have to order first... Anyone here got FP241W already? From what I've read from other forum, it seems to be more superior than Dell 2407WFP. . Anyway i guess Dell 24" shoudl be already very good buy. Thus far didnt heard much complain and the price is good too. |
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Dec 4 2006, 08:05 PM
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QUOTE(ahsham @ Dec 4 2006, 07:45 PM) I passed by a BenQ shop (PJ) yesterday, went to viewnet booth at pc fair and the manager told me it will retail 2.8k in viewnet lowyat when they get stock....if that is true, then it is a good buy, and make sure u get the firmware updated version(for 1:1 mapping)....FP241W for RM3299, no stock on display, have to order first... Anyone here got FP241W already? From what I've read from other forum, it seems to be more superior than Dell 2407WFP. |
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Dec 4 2006, 08:24 PM
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i juz bought a BenQ FP73G for RM595 in penang pcfair. juz wondering i cant help noticing tht tht lcd is kinda hot after half an hour or sth, is this normal?? i juz started using lcd today
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Dec 4 2006, 09:29 PM
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That's the problem with Benq LCD .... it works well for budgeted price but it surely not perfect ....
It is normal for LCD to heat up as long as it just does not burn off.... if u feel worry could bring it back to the dealer and ask for check up ... . last time i got my samsung 19 inch monitor ... it produce burnt smell that is horrible.... so i sent it back and replace with another that produce way lesser ... of course overheating was the issue with my 19 inch mon .... half and year of usage and migrated to 19 inch LCD...Viewsonic VX922... of got budget go for LG monitor that comes with high contrast .. the picture quality is superb .. |
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Dec 4 2006, 09:39 PM
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QUOTE(ahsham @ Dec 4 2006, 07:45 PM) I passed by a BenQ shop (PJ) yesterday, FP241W for RM3299, no stock on display, have to order first... Anyone here got FP241W already? From what I've read from other forum, it seems to be more superior than Dell 2407WFP. QUOTE(Archaven @ Dec 4 2006, 07:57 PM) If it's RM 3.3K and it's not superior than Dell, then it's not worth the purchase honestly both of them.. not in the same league.... . Anyway i guess Dell 24" shoudl be already very good buy. Thus far didnt heard much complain and the price is good too.so.. don't just compare the price... while ignoring the specs. if put aside the price... , benq fp241w .. is of course.. more superior than Dell.. and of course,... at rm3k region.... it's Reasonable!!!! don't forget... full hd .. 1080p .. hdmi .... where 2407wfp lacks of... so as the colour quality.. where many reviewers stat that.. it's better than 2407wfp.. sooo.., even at that price... , i'd say benq fp241w .. is not bad```.. (i mean very good) |
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Dec 4 2006, 09:59 PM
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QUOTE(nckent @ Dec 4 2006, 07:41 PM) 740BF is cum wif 2ms n dvi tat's y costly i don't see the purpose of 2MS even 8MS is more than enough. heck my 2007WFP also 16MS . QUOTE(Neo18 @ Dec 4 2006, 10:35 AM) really, tested Bravia. didn't like it as much as others.what bout the new Sony Bravia TV. I think they got more than 1.4k pixel la.. can somebody advise? Saw in PC fair, my air liur meleleh leleh |
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Dec 4 2006, 10:01 PM
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Dec 4 2006, 10:04 AM) now i'm thinking whether i should get DELL 30" or just normal LCD TV like Philips or Sharp (yes, the type you see at HSL). Well, the TV integrates well into all places, where as the DELL odd resoultion is going to give u headaches. Unless u strictly use the screen for PC use only, which i highly doubt. Most people would prolly look to maximise a 4k gadget, and yah dun forget the dual HDMI too.the DELL has higher resolution, coming at more than 2k pixels for width alone while the normal LCD TVs come at slightly less than 1.4k pixels. |
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Dec 4 2006, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE(redken @ Dec 4 2006, 10:01 PM) Well, the TV integrates well into all places, where as the DELL odd resoultion is going to give u headaches. Unless u strictly use the screen for PC use only, which i highly doubt. Most people would prolly look to maximise a 4k gadget, and yah dun forget the dual HDMI too. hehe. too wide resolution. tiring for my mouse to travel |
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Dec 5 2006, 12:40 AM
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QUOTE(seanl @ Dec 4 2006, 08:05 PM) went to viewnet booth at pc fair and the manager told me it will retail 2.8k in viewnet lowyat when they get stock....if that is true, then it is a good buy, and make sure u get the firmware updated version(for 1:1 mapping).... I got mine for S$1.2k Special Christmas present from SLS. 2 units will arrive soon next week to my office from distro at RM2.7k each. Expect price range from 2.8k-3.0k for normal user. |
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Dec 5 2006, 09:19 AM
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QUOTE(nckent @ Dec 4 2006, 01:19 PM) wat's d service menu u referred to? If I am not mistaken, all these options are in the normal menu, not the service menu I was talking about. in my lg lcd menu, thr r oni 1. picture 2. color 3. position 4. tracking 5. setup factory reset will reset whole settings To enter service menu, off you lcd by pressing the power button first, then press and hold the menu button and press the power button now, release power button first then only release menu button, now your lcs is on, trying entering the normal menu now and you will notice that you entered the service menu instead of the normal value. In service menu, you can see what panel your lcd is using, the RGB preset value for color temperature and some other options, thats what I need. At first I tot only dell lcd can check their panel like this, then I try playing with my lg l1750t, I didn't notice that I was in service menu, thats why I keep pressing buttons blindly and accidentally changed the preset values... This post has been edited by BSOD: Dec 5 2006, 11:52 AM |
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Dec 5 2006, 12:55 PM
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about gaming wif widescreen. Will the graphic be stretched to fit the widescreen size upon gaming? means that the game will actually be displayed in a flattened form when play game using widescreen monitor?
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Dec 5 2006, 01:50 PM
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order my 2407WFP on pc fair with 5 yrs warranty~ to swap my viewsonic vx2025
was hunting for 2407 for some time...notice the price drop rapidly.. from rm2799,2599,2699, 2349 (pc fair) and latest rm 2799 (4/12/06),, so i guess is a value buy. What im concern is my laptop can handle the lcd with native resolution of 1900x 1200 if im not mistaken. I double check my graphic card which is 32mb Nvidia Geforce4 420 GO series tat can handle graphic resolution up to 2000x .... whereas the setting also include the resolution of 1900x1220. wonder my GC will overheated? Thanks |
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Dec 5 2006, 02:52 PM
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surely can handle in desktop mode.
heck even Macbook's Intel GMA can do high resolution so i don't see why yours can't. |
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Dec 5 2006, 03:45 PM
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woot my 2007wfp arrived already....quite fast wo....
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Dec 5 2006, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE(BSOD @ Dec 5 2006, 09:19 AM) If I am not mistaken, all these options are in the normal menu, not the service menu I was talking about. To enter service menu, off you lcd by pressing the power button first, then press and hold the menu button and press the power button now, release power button first then only release menu button, now your lcs is on, trying entering the normal menu now and you will notice that you entered the service menu instead of the normal value. In service menu, you can see what panel your lcd is using, the RGB preset value for color temperature and some other options, thats what I need. At first I tot only dell lcd can check their panel like this, then I try playing with my lg l1750t, I didn't notice that I was in service menu, thats why I keep pressing buttons blindly and accidentally changed the preset values... 
tat's wat in my service menu, hope can help u.. |
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Dec 5 2006, 06:00 PM
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QUOTE(marky @ Dec 5 2006, 03:45 PM) woot my 2007wfp arrived already....quite fast wo.... so fast!!!!!!mine... Estimated Delivery Date : 18-Dec-2006  what a long wait...` |
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Dec 5 2006, 06:19 PM
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is it ok to buy Dell LCD from LYP shops like viewnet, czone?
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Dec 5 2006, 06:22 PM
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QUOTE(phunkydude @ Dec 5 2006, 06:00 PM) so fast!!!!!! wah ! mine... Estimated Delivery Date : 18-Dec-2006 what a long wait...`  abit long rite heheehhe lucky mine works like a gem ! n its RT803! any1 have the optimized color settings? This post has been edited by marky: Dec 5 2006, 06:31 PM |
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Dec 5 2006, 06:35 PM
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erm.. sry for this noob question.. but i really want to know which brand of 17" LCD are good and the price are reasonable or cheap??
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Dec 5 2006, 07:18 PM
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hmm those having 2007wfp... when watching dvd in full screen is all 4 corners black?
i think mine got backlight bleeding in 4 corners >< This post has been edited by marky: Dec 5 2006, 07:30 PM |
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Dec 5 2006, 07:34 PM
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QUOTE(kianwee @ Dec 4 2006, 04:40 PM) I got mine for S$1.2k I just gave viewnet a call, and they still don't know when the FP241W will be in stock. This is driving me insane!Special Christmas present from SLS. 2 units will arrive soon next week to my office from distro at RM2.7k each. Expect price range from 2.8k-3.0k for normal user. |
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Dec 5 2006, 08:11 PM
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QUOTE(kelv!n @ Dec 5 2006, 06:35 PM) erm.. sry for this noob question.. but i really want to know which brand of 17" LCD are good and the price are reasonable or cheap?? u can consider brand LG, Samsung, Dell, or Viewnet..currently im using LG, so far so good... This post has been edited by nckent: Dec 6 2006, 01:40 AM |
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Dec 5 2006, 09:07 PM
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Hello guys. I just wanna ask something. How does Viewsonic fare compared to other brands like Samsung and LG? Viewsonic's LCDs are cheaper but does it offer quality? Sorry, I'm a noob in LCD monitors. Thanks
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Dec 5 2006, 10:36 PM
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know any brand that give Zero Dead Pixel Policies??
i googled..Samsung do give ZDPP but only for Korea whie Viewsonic is only for first 30days what about the rest?.. anyway..does anyone know whats the minimum Deal Pixel only can claim for DELL, ACER, SAMSUNG, LG, SONY, PHILIP, VIEWSONIC? |
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Dec 5 2006, 10:38 PM
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QUOTE(tps18489 @ Dec 5 2006, 09:07 PM) Hello guys. I just wanna ask something. How does Viewsonic fare compared to other brands like Samsung and LG? Viewsonic's LCDs are cheaper but does it offer quality? Sorry, I'm a noob in LCD monitors. Thanks For my personal opinion, i dun have a good impression on Viewsonic monitor...reason is my company previously taking all the viewsonic LCD for the system and sell to customer. But within 1 to 2 years, my office full with the viewsonic LCD and all are faulty. Mostly caused by problems: cannot display or potion of the display/color gone...Somemore, mostly are ther VP series from 15 to 20 inch...Rite now, my company had change to EIZO (for high end setup) and DIVAlab for normal setup. So, i had no confident to viewsonic LCD althought have 3 years warranty. Im not trying to say that Viewsonic is not good...but it just the situation i found from my working emviroment. Just my 2 cent..... |
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Dec 5 2006, 10:49 PM
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Dunno y, i found out the display for the clear display surface type produce more clear and nice display...
Like most of the laptop now come with clear type display surface, and the color for the display is clear and bright enough... Y ah?? Is it the LCD panel is different?? |
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Dec 6 2006, 12:52 AM
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lowyat plaza can find eizo lcd ka?
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Dec 6 2006, 01:16 AM
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QUOTE(nckent @ Dec 5 2006, 08:11 PM) u can consider brand LG, Samsung, Dell, or Viewnet.. oops, jz noticed my mistake.. thr is no brand viewnet..currently im using LG, so far so good... correcting myself.. it's viewsonic.. This post has been edited by nckent: Dec 6 2006, 01:42 AM |
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Dec 6 2006, 09:28 AM
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i've just call dell up for replacement... must i pack my current 1 in the box and pass it to them when they send a new 1? forgot to ask the technical guy =.= This post has been edited by marky: Dec 6 2006, 09:28 AM |
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Dec 6 2006, 09:39 AM
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hey all lcd expert...
i need your advice here.... samsung and LG lcd which 1 should should i choose if my buget is around Rm600++ |
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Dec 6 2006, 10:10 AM
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QUOTE(marky @ Dec 6 2006, 09:28 AM) i've just call dell up for replacement... Yes. Or you can keep ur current one, take the new one and arrange for a pickup later for your current one.must i pack my current 1 in the box and pass it to them when they send a new 1? forgot to ask the technical guy =.= |
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Dec 6 2006, 10:29 AM
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QUOTE(winlose2582 @ Dec 5 2006, 10:38 PM) For my personal opinion, i dun have a good impression on Viewsonic monitor...reason is my company previously taking all the viewsonic LCD for the system and sell to customer. But within 1 to 2 years, my office full with the viewsonic LCD and all are faulty. Mostly caused by problems: cannot display or potion of the display/color gone...Somemore, mostly are ther VP series from 15 to 20 inch... Thanks for the information. I just I'll just have to stick to Samsung and LG. It'll be worth buying if it's good even though more expensive. Rite now, my company had change to EIZO (for high end setup) and DIVAlab for normal setup. So, i had no confident to viewsonic LCD althought have 3 years warranty. Im not trying to say that Viewsonic is not good...but it just the situation i found from my working emviroment. Just my 2 cent..... |
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Dec 6 2006, 11:24 AM
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QUOTE(2uk3y @ Nov 28 2006, 07:45 PM) waaaa 3.1........ i tot 4 I think there will be no LCD 4.0 gua.. cause from what I get, the nest gen will be laser panel. so i wonder how the next-gen LCD will be....!! |
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Dec 6 2006, 06:00 PM
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i thought eizo disapear from our market for sometime.
QUOTE(monky91 @ Dec 6 2006, 11:24 AM) I think there will be no LCD 4.0 gua.. cause from what I get, the nest gen will be laser panel. most probably going OLED first. |
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Dec 6 2006, 06:09 PM
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last time they already says wanna produce OLED. but until today, can only find it in camera and mp4 player.
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Dec 6 2006, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE(Haruji Sora @ Nov 28 2006, 08:46 PM) Oh well Continuation from V3 then... LCD refresh rate not depend on how many ms on the spec meh? How come it same as CRT one?Sorry then, I refrain from rantings from now on >_<. Yeah tend to get overcarried with Dell purchases sometimes (the nightmare and time that I had to undergo). The previous topic is like becoming a Dell discussion topic. Question 1 - 16.2millions colors is as what is written. LCD Panel had two varieties (IIRC, correct me if i'm wrong), one is a 6-bit panel, which is capable of showing up to 16.2million colors, another is the 8-bit panel, which is capable of showing up to 16.7million colors. It doesnt mean your LCD can support only 16bit, you can put 32 bit no problem. It is just that a single pixel on your LCD is capable of delivering that kind of amount of color variation. (Again, correct me if I'm wrong) Question 2 - Almost all LCD had a standart figure for refresh rate, and those refresh rate is normally @ 60Hz. 75Hz and all those are normally involved with CRT monitors. The best resolution to put your LCD monitor is the native resolution that is offered for that particular LCD monitor, for example, a 20 inch Wide Screen will have native res' of 1680*1050@60Hz, while a 24 inch wide will have 1920*1200@60Hz. |
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Dec 6 2006, 08:07 PM
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anybody can recommend nice 19" lcd??
there are brand like benq,lg,samsung n sony |
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Dec 6 2006, 09:25 PM
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QUOTE(Lurker @ Dec 6 2006, 12:52 AM) lowyat plaza can find eizo lcd ka? The EIZO LCD is ordered from Australia...I think we cant find it at Msia... |
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Dec 6 2006, 09:28 PM
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EiZO is based/founded in Japan
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Dec 7 2006, 12:49 AM
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hi....
i looking for 19" lcd monitor there are several type available such as samsung 940bf and samsung 940bw and oso dell ultra hsarp 19" which 1 is better??? |
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Dec 7 2006, 01:11 AM
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hello
can all the pro here say which one of the LCD now in the market should i get if my budget is less than RM700..but 700++ also can geh |
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Dec 7 2006, 08:06 AM
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QUOTE(Darren @ Dec 7 2006, 12:49 AM) hi.... hey there, guess i'll answer to that question of yours...for 19" if you dun wanna spend a lot on the monitor, the 940bw is definitely a good choice...no doubt bout it...i looking for 19" lcd monitor there are several type available such as samsung 940bf and samsung 940bw and oso dell ultra hsarp 19" which 1 is better??? the ultrasharp version available in dell is using the same type of panel...its just the added USB ports and the height adjustable stand that is giving it its rather steep price over 19" monitors...so make your pick.. |
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Dec 7 2006, 09:23 AM
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Anyone have LCD monitor with built-in TV tuner ?
Plan to get one myself. Any recommendation ? |
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Dec 7 2006, 09:39 AM
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QUOTE(cybersim2 @ Dec 7 2006, 09:23 AM) Anyone have LCD monitor with built-in TV tuner ? if you want a monitor with tv tuner, you're better off getting an LCD tv instead and use it as a monitor...Plan to get one myself. Any recommendation ? |
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Dec 7 2006, 10:08 AM
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QUOTE(cybersim2 @ Dec 7 2006, 09:23 AM) Anyone have LCD monitor with built-in TV tuner ? If not mistaken, PC LCD does not have that TV tuner feature.Plan to get one myself. Any recommendation ? |
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Dec 7 2006, 01:12 PM
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hey guys,
im thinking on getting LG1752Q. Does anyone of you all here got experience with this lcd? isit any good? or should i get samsung for the same price range? |
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Dec 7 2006, 02:40 PM
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Does anyone know how to link 4 lcd screen into a single screen and where to buy such hardware? I been searching a few local computer shops here in Kota Kinabalu and none of them got such hardware or software to do it.
I have searched a lot on the net and the most closes hardware is Matrox, which could split the signal into 3 screens only as 1 BIG screen. I have asked a lot of local computer shop and none of them knows how to do it nor have any idea what am I saying. I would like to use 4 lcd screen, and it should look something like this:  I am not to sure myself if it is just a software to do it or do I need a special hardware |
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Dec 7 2006, 05:52 PM
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my repalcement 2007wfp just came...
and its da same as the previous 1...bleeds at 4 corners.... it is very clear on black screen at night so da question is..isit designed tat way ?>< any1 with 2007 wfp enlighten me pls! This post has been edited by marky: Dec 7 2006, 05:56 PM |
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Dec 7 2006, 06:03 PM
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QUOTE(twotwopig @ Dec 7 2006, 01:12 PM) hey guys, depends on you actually....go to the shop and let your eyes be the judge...no point for us pointing to which product you should go with... im thinking on getting LG1752Q. Does anyone of you all here got experience with this lcd? isit any good? or should i get samsung for the same price range? |
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Dec 7 2006, 06:24 PM
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QUOTE(adkz @ Dec 7 2006, 02:40 PM) Does anyone know how to link 4 lcd screen into a single screen and where to buy such hardware? I been searching a few local computer shops here in Kota Kinabalu and none of them got such hardware or software to do it. Me, borned & raised in KK..I have searched a lot on the net and the most closes hardware is Matrox, which could split the signal into 3 screens only as 1 BIG screen. I have asked a lot of local computer shop and none of them knows how to do it nor have any idea what am I saying. I would like to use 4 lcd screen, and it should look something like this: I am not to sure myself if it is just a software to do it or do I need a special hardware For 2d desktop use, or 3d app/movie watching Matrox TH2Go supports only 3 monitors, DH2Go only 2 You have many options (Expensive to cheap) ..assuming 1 display is 1280x1024; 1. 2x2 display or one 2560x2048 display in Windows....2 Matrox DH2Go and one Nvidia/ATI ..Quadro FX/FireGL with Genlock&FrameLock function... ...no problem with movie/2d/3d in all monitors. All analog solution(or mostly) 2. 4x1 displays...or one 5120x1024 display.. One TH2Go and one Nvidia/ATI ..Quadro FX/FireGL with Genlock&FrameLock function ...no problems with movie/2d/3d in all monitors. All analog solution 3....cheapest... 2x2 display or two 2560x1024 stacked or 4 individual 1280x1024 display in Windows.... Any 2 pci-e/agp/pci graphic cards. (but some graphic card dont play nice with each other).. (no problems in 2d.. movie only with selected players..like Apple quick time player) in all monitors...3d app only in the primary monitor. Best quality if you have 4 dvi output. Ultramon software for desktop/wallpaper setting Many other combinations.. for preview..please see my workstation setup (you tube) in Hardware Q&A And for 10.8Mpixels displays  This post has been edited by BeastX: Dec 7 2006, 07:51 PM |
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Dec 7 2006, 06:34 PM
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QUOTE(sidewinderz @ Dec 7 2006, 08:06 AM) hey there, guess i'll answer to that question of yours...for 19" if you dun wanna spend a lot on the monitor, the 940bw is definitely a good choice...no doubt bout it... i decide to get samsung 940bfthe ultrasharp version available in dell is using the same type of panel...its just the added USB ports and the height adjustable stand that is giving it its rather steep price over 19" monitors...so make your pick.. thank 4 ur opinion |
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Dec 7 2006, 08:23 PM
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Could anyone tell me why the prices of an LCD screen could change so much? A 17" Samsung monitor could cost more than 1k whereas a 19" ACER AL1916WAS would only cost less than 1k.
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Dec 7 2006, 10:41 PM
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guys one question here
any major difference with e197fp compared to 1907fp dell 19" lcd monitors? i mean which one is more worth? i wanted to get 1907fp but end up gettin e197fp |
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Dec 8 2006, 02:23 AM
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heya....newbie ere...i wana get a new lcd monitor....bt nt reli sure wat brand i m gona get....any recommendations?
shud b gettin a 17" or 19" if possible... jus 4 home use....budget around rm 700+? any ideas?thx thx.... |
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Dec 8 2006, 09:29 AM
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Guys, I'm planning to get a screen protector for my 20" wide monitor. May I know where can I purchase it and how much is it? Thanks
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Dec 8 2006, 09:36 AM
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QUOTE(marky @ Dec 7 2006, 05:52 PM) my repalcement 2007wfp just came... You actually went through RMA?and its da same as the previous 1...bleeds at 4 corners.... it is very clear on black screen at night so da question is..isit designed tat way ?>< any1 with 2007 wfp enlighten me pls! I had this backlight bleeding... b4 I seen it, I was wondering how bad was it going to be... after I saw it, I dont think its critical... |
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Dec 8 2006, 09:51 AM
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QUOTE(marky @ Dec 7 2006, 05:52 PM) my repalcement 2007wfp just came... 2007WFP manufactured after June 2006 are nothing but pure crap - backlight bleeds, dead pixels poping out from no where, etc. So I guess it's normal. It is not designed that way, remember. I've got 8 units from the first batch of 2007WFPs (April 2006) and besides the banding issue, all the screens are perfect without backlight bleed nor dead pixels.and its da same as the previous 1...bleeds at 4 corners.... it is very clear on black screen at night so da question is..isit designed tat way ?>< any1 with 2007 wfp enlighten me pls! |
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Dec 8 2006, 10:25 AM
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Hi guys,
Bought my lcd from pcfair on sun (3/12/06) got my lcd on 5/12/06 morning 11am wow that's pretty fast!!! really big compare to my 20.1. I will post some pictures when i have connection at home. But i thing for sure dell 2407 cannot support 1900x1440 resolution. Only can support 1900x1200 . so i have to used 1600x1240 at the moment. Tested with dvdRip, rmvb (400mb-lost TV series) seems very good to me..n very big screen! but i have some problems when connect pendrive to the lcd wonder is it not enough power? even my SD also can't detect ...anyone encounter the problems?tw im using my laptop to hock up the lcd |
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Dec 8 2006, 10:31 AM
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Guys...I'm looking for 19" widescreen LCD. looking at DELL website there just have WS model from 20" and 24" only. btw i dont mind to take 20" WS LCD but my budget is around rm1k. is that any different in picture quality between this two model?
1)DellTM E207WFP 20" Entry Wide Screen Flat Panel LCD Monitor-RM1049 2)DellTM 2007WFP 20" UltraSharpTM Wide Screen Flat Panel LCD Monitor-RM1399(out of my budget) thanks... |
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Dec 8 2006, 10:44 AM
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QUOTE(MarXzz @ Dec 7 2006, 08:23 PM) Could anyone tell me why the prices of an LCD screen could change so much? A 17" Samsung monitor could cost more than 1k whereas a 19" ACER AL1916WAS would only cost less than 1k. coz the panel technology is different |
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Dec 8 2006, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE(lAh0S @ Dec 8 2006, 09:36 AM) You actually went through RMA? both units tat i get really bad....but only can be seen in a completely dark room..coz I had this backlight bleeding... b4 I seen it, I was wondering how bad was it going to be... after I saw it, I dont think its critical... wana watch movie QUOTE(kianwee @ Dec 8 2006, 09:51 AM) 2007WFP manufactured after June 2006 are nothing but pure crap - backlight bleeds, dead pixels poping out from no where, etc. So I guess it's normal. It is not designed that way, remember. I've got 8 units from the first batch of 2007WFPs (April 2006) and besides the banding issue, all the screens are perfect without backlight bleed nor dead pixels. i asked them to giv me a02 they say a02 still have banding....and they said a03 have the banding fixed and is designed to have backlight bleeding  but after 10 minutes he call me back said the engineer said no such thing >< technical support "rox" |
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Dec 8 2006, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE(BeastX @ Dec 7 2006, 06:24 PM) Me, borned & raised in KK.. Can I use two PCI-E card on my GIGABYE LGA775 motherboard for 4 lcd screens? For 2d desktop use, or 3d app/movie watching Matrox TH2Go supports only 3 monitors, DH2Go only 2 You have many options (Expensive to cheap) ..assuming 1 display is 1280x1024; 1. 2x2 display or one 2560x2048 display in Windows....2 Matrox DH2Go and one Nvidia/ATI ..Quadro FX/FireGL with Genlock&FrameLock function... ...no problem with movie/2d/3d in all monitors. All analog solution(or mostly) 2. 4x1 displays...or one 5120x1024 display.. One TH2Go and one Nvidia/ATI ..Quadro FX/FireGL with Genlock&FrameLock function ...no problems with movie/2d/3d in all monitors. All analog solution 3....cheapest... 2x2 display or two 2560x1024 stacked or 4 individual 1280x1024 display in Windows.... Any 2 pci-e/agp/pci graphic cards. (but some graphic card dont play nice with each other).. (no problems in 2d.. movie only with selected players..like Apple quick time player) in all monitors...3d app only in the primary monitor. Best quality if you have 4 dvi output. Ultramon software for desktop/wallpaper setting Many other combinations.. for preview..please see my workstation setup (you tube) in Hardware Q&A And for 10.8Mpixels displays What model of nvidia card would you guys recommend, and also thanks for the info BeastX. Those were all the stuff I manage to get from the net from the past 1 week lol. It helped me confirm the stuff I found can be used, and including I could do it currently with my geforce 7300 LE for testing on two monitor.   This post has been edited by adkz: Dec 8 2006, 12:07 PM |
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Dec 8 2006, 08:10 PM
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QUOTE(terencetoo @ Dec 8 2006, 10:25 AM) but i have some problems when connect pendrive to the lcd Did you connect the included USB cable to your desktop? wonder is it not enough power? even my SD also can't detect ...anyone encounter the problems?tw im using my laptop to hock up the lcd |
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Dec 8 2006, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE(kianwee @ Dec 8 2006, 09:51 AM) 2007WFP manufactured after June 2006 are nothing but pure crap - backlight bleeds, dead pixels poping out from no where, etc. So I guess it's normal. It is not designed that way, remember. I've got 8 units from the first batch of 2007WFPs (April 2006) and besides the banding issue, all the screens are perfect without backlight bleed nor dead pixels. Indeed. But still i dun understand y people buy into paper specs. It's the real world performance that counts. |
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Dec 8 2006, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE(kianwee @ Dec 8 2006, 09:51 AM) 2007WFP manufactured after June 2006 are nothing but pure crap - backlight bleeds, dead pixels poping out from no where, etc. So I guess it's normal. It is not designed that way, remember. I've got 8 units from the first batch of 2007WFPs (April 2006) and besides the banding issue, all the screens are perfect without backlight bleed nor dead pixels. QUOTE(redken @ Dec 8 2006, 08:54 PM) Indeed. But still i dun understand y people buy into paper specs. It's the real world performance that counts. owh~` keeps me worrying now...now i just knew ... not a small partial of 2007 stocks are defective... but to whole production from all batches after june???? crap..` i should've go for 2216w` |
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Dec 8 2006, 10:34 PM
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QUOTE(phunkydude @ Dec 8 2006, 10:25 PM) owh~` keeps me worrying now... Ya, a trouble free monitor is a much worthwhile investment than a less-than-complete-higher-spec monitor.now i just knew ... not a small partial of 2007 stocks are defective... but to whole production from all batches after june???? crap..` i should've go for 2216w` I mean, no one would like to have dead pixels appearing one after another rite? So does amputated workable space because the corners are bleeding? |
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Dec 8 2006, 10:52 PM
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QUOTE(redken @ Dec 8 2006, 10:34 PM) Ya, a trouble free monitor is a much worthwhile investment than a less-than-complete-higher-spec monitor. sigh..`, before this... quite many users giving good feedbacks on 2007 except 2-3 cases which opt. for replacement..I mean, no one would like to have dead pixels appearing one after another rite? So does amputated workable space because the corners are bleeding? i thought those'r just unlucky ones...` never knows .., it happens to all production..`?! |
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Dec 9 2006, 08:33 PM
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Can any1 teach me how to check if theres dead pixel?
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Dec 9 2006, 08:36 PM
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QUOTE(Kaisyuko @ Dec 9 2006, 08:33 PM) Can any1 teach me how to check if theres dead pixel? Google for Dead Pixel Buddy. |
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Dec 9 2006, 08:52 PM
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can i know how long is the warranty for LG lcd monitors?
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Dec 9 2006, 08:55 PM
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try the triple head anwyay... 3 monitor setting
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Dec 10 2006, 08:47 AM
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i need comments on lg 1952t...and how long is the warranty period?
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Dec 10 2006, 11:26 AM
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From your experience LG/Samsung LCD which is better?
Both pricing and spec also very close. |
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Dec 10 2006, 12:21 PM
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QUOTE(smokey @ Dec 10 2006, 08:47 AM) i need comments on lg 1952t...and how long is the warranty period? 1 year. |
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Dec 10 2006, 04:58 PM
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Aiyo, no need so critical la.
DELL 2007WFP is probably the cheapest ever S-IPS panel available in the market. Problems like backlight bleeding is common in LCD production. I dont find it an annoyance like many did. Dead pixel is another common problem with LCD. Of course when you buy it new, you can ask for free dead pixel. But as you used it, wear n tear will takes its toll and slowly you will start encountering dead pixel. None of the LCD manufacturer guarantee dead pixel free after you start using it. If you got dead pixel pop out of nowhere day after day, then its your luck. Humans are really greedy. If you want the best and can afford it, just go ahead n buy Apple LCD. They are one of the best, if you can afford the difference in prices. If not, just STFU. Get along with it or go n get a CRT. * My office has a LCD with 3 dead pixel, and I hardly noticed it. Whats all the big fuss about it. |
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Dec 10 2006, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE(lAh0S @ Dec 10 2006, 04:58 PM) * My office has a LCD with 3 dead pixel, and I hardly noticed it. Whats all the big fuss about it. it's because people have spent more than RM1000 and still get the dead pixel, so not satisfied. |
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Dec 10 2006, 06:36 PM
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Dec 10 2006, 05:32 PM) it's because people have spent more than RM1000 and still get the dead pixel, so not satisfied. Yup.. I agree. There are millions of pixels on the screen and of all, just 3 are dead and they are so tiny and we can hardly notice it. So, it is all down to satisfaction level when a lot of hard earned money are used and got an LCD with dead pixels. But it is a normal reaction because ppl want their stuff to be in perfect shape when they buy it. |
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Dec 10 2006, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Dec 10 2006, 05:32 PM) it's because people have spent more than RM1000 and still get the dead pixel, so not satisfied. LOL...Thats why lar... ppl think too highly of their money... A full tank of petrol also RM70-80 liao... whats value in RM1000 nowadays... You wanna complaint 3 dead pixels for a RM1.3k LCD, which suddenly pop out of nowhere after a few hundred hours of usage? |
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Dec 10 2006, 10:23 PM
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waa...`.. calm down.. calm down`...
btw, i'm still a student ler.. so maybe i'm not that ignorant on the money that i spent for wat i get... (which i suppose it to be in good condition at moment i receive it marr..) so... we should be ignorant on the backlight bleeding lar? >_< |
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 Dec 10 2006, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE(Aquanox28 @ Dec 8 2006, 09:29 AM) Guys, I'm planning to get a screen protector for my 20" wide monitor. May I know where can I purchase it and how much is it? Thanks i believe forumers vcool can help u..afaik |
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Dec 10 2006, 10:36 PM
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No, Im not angry or agitated.
Its just that most are targetting DELL cos they are one and only company in Malaysia (my guesstimate) which prioritise customer satisfaction. Just go n buy a LCD from any shop in LowYat and see how you get treated when you complained about backlight bleeding or a single dead pixel. Its not that it doesnt exist. Backlight bleeding and dead pixel are common problem with LCD production. Certain batch has it, some dont. Simple as that. Im not protecting DELL not do I work for DELL. I got a 2007WFP myself knowing the fact that I would never afford a S-IPS panel of other brand. Just a matter of facts, you all go n bought a 2007WFP/2407WFP becos its way cheaper than others. Havent it once cross your mind how DELL managed to beat other by such a big margin. You must have guess it. There's no other shortcut than cutting cost which lead to not up to par QC and component/circuits. You dont need to look far. Even a 19inch S-PVA panel already cost more than what it cost to buy a 2007WFP inclusive of delivery. A 19inch aS-IPS panel from NEC cost RM2k. You get what you paid for. |
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Dec 10 2006, 11:22 PM
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QUOTE(lAh0S @ Dec 10 2006, 10:36 PM) No, Im not angry or agitated. i have to agree with you !Its just that most are targetting DELL cos they are one and only company in Malaysia (my guesstimate) which prioritise customer satisfaction. Just go n buy a LCD from any shop in LowYat and see how you get treated when you complained about backlight bleeding or a single dead pixel. Its not that it doesnt exist. Backlight bleeding and dead pixel are common problem with LCD production. Certain batch has it, some dont. Simple as that. Im not protecting DELL not do I work for DELL. I got a 2007WFP myself knowing the fact that I would never afford a S-IPS panel of other brand. Just a matter of facts, you all go n bought a 2007WFP/2407WFP becos its way cheaper than others. Havent it once cross your mind how DELL managed to beat other by such a big margin. You must have guess it. There's no other shortcut than cutting cost which lead to not up to par QC and component/circuits. You dont need to look far. Even a 19inch S-PVA panel already cost more than what it cost to buy a 2007WFP inclusive of delivery. A 19inch aS-IPS panel from NEC cost RM2k. You get what you paid for. perhaps the only reason i choose dell over others is the after sales support.... really like the next business day warranty! |
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Dec 11 2006, 01:17 AM
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Just bought 19" BENQ FP93GX...is it BENQ brand is reliable?
found in Anandtech Forum : GAMING (guaranteed fastest LCDs for hardcore gaming) Low response time Low input lag High brightness 1) 19": BenQ FP93GX, 1280x1024 (5:4) Panel: TN (AUO M190EG02 V1); 6-bit+FRC, 16.2M colors Response time: <7 ms. (measured) Specifications: BenQ FP93GX HDCP compliant: No More info: prad.de Notes: Fastest LCD in the world: 0~7 ms. actual. Slightly less RTC error than Samsung. Great value but IMO Samsung is a better brand. It's up to you. Price: ~$235 USD 2) 19": Samsung SyncMaster 940BF, 1280x1024 (5:4) Panel: TN (Samsung LTM190EX); 6-bit+2x2 dither, 16.2M colors Response time: <7 ms. (measured) Specifications: Samsung SyncMaster 940BF HDCP compliant: No More info: prad.de Notes: Fastest LCD in the world: 0~7 ms. actual. RTC (overdrive) can be disabled in the OSD. Price: ~$270 USD 3) 20.1"w: NEC MultiSync 20WMGX2, 1680x1050 (16:10) Panel: AS-IPS (LPL LM201WE2); true 8-bit, 16.7M colors Response time: <10 ms. (measured) Specifications: NEC MultiSync 20WMGX2 HDCP compliant: Yes More info: prad.de Notes: Black bezel is 20WMGX2-BK. OptiClear contrast coating (increases contrast but also worsens glare). Exceptional colors with dynamic contrast, great viewing angles, extremely good response time (good as fastest TNs) according to hardware.fr. Tons of inputs, TV tuner, and HDCP. Without a doubt, worth the money. Great warranty/service. Maximum speed+maximum colors! European version (same panel) is LCD20WGX2, but lacks HDCP/other multimedia features. Price: ~$615 USD Source... This post has been edited by mjoe: Dec 11 2006, 01:21 AM |
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Dec 11 2006, 08:39 AM
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QUOTE(smokey @ Dec 10 2006, 08:47 AM) i need comments on lg 1952t...and how long is the warranty period? QUOTE(kianwee @ Dec 10 2006, 12:21 PM) 1 year. huh? 1 year? my LG L1752S hv 3 years warranty wo.. |
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Dec 11 2006, 10:29 AM
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a good site you guys to refer Dead Pixel Policies from different LCD makers
http://www.behardware.com/articles/519-1/l...ead-pixels.html |
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Dec 11 2006, 04:31 PM
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what condition do you call this? It seems to be very noticable in any other colors other than black. I wonder if I'm entitled for warranty..Its a philips 170B6 btw
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « edit: fixed, they're stuck pixels =\ This post has been edited by Kclee2002: Dec 12 2006, 05:42 AM |
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Dec 12 2006, 12:31 AM
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QUOTE(lAh0S @ Dec 10 2006, 04:58 PM) Aiyo, no need so critical la. None of my LCD's have any defects. Beat that. Back light bleeding and dead pixels are defects, period. It's not about how much money u spend on it, it's what the purchase agreed upon. Perhaps dead pixels are clearly written, but dodgy warranty policies doesnt spell transparency.DELL 2007WFP is probably the cheapest ever S-IPS panel available in the market. Problems like backlight bleeding is common in LCD production. I dont find it an annoyance like many did. Dead pixel is another common problem with LCD. Of course when you buy it new, you can ask for free dead pixel. But as you used it, wear n tear will takes its toll and slowly you will start encountering dead pixel. None of the LCD manufacturer guarantee dead pixel free after you start using it. If you got dead pixel pop out of nowhere day after day, then its your luck. Humans are really greedy. If you want the best and can afford it, just go ahead n buy Apple LCD. They are one of the best, if you can afford the difference in prices. If not, just STFU. Get along with it or go n get a CRT. * My office has a LCD with 3 dead pixel, and I hardly noticed it. Whats all the big fuss about it. Most people that have not dealt with Dell, think highly of their paper policy. In reality it's a different story. Alot of forumers here can tell a tale or two about it. Not that i am against Dell, but purchasers have the right to speak. This post has been edited by redken: Dec 12 2006, 12:33 AM |
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Dec 12 2006, 01:07 PM
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Hey guys, I asked this question before but no one replied. So I'll ask again.
I'm currently finding a good 20" widescreen LCD for my computer. I use it mainly for gaming and watching videos. I have Dell 2007WFP in my mind. But I noticed some sites saying it has serious banding issues. I wonder if it has been fixed or not? If anyone has a suggestion on which LCD to buy, please give the suggestions too. Thanks in advance. |
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Dec 12 2006, 01:33 PM
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QUOTE(redken @ Dec 12 2006, 12:31 AM) None of my LCD's have any defects. Beat that. Back light bleeding and dead pixels are defects, period. It's not about how much money u spend on it, it's what the purchase agreed upon. Perhaps dead pixels are clearly written, but dodgy warranty policies doesnt spell transparency. I dont know why Dell sucks so much.Most people that have not dealt with Dell, think highly of their paper policy. In reality it's a different story. Alot of forumers here can tell a tale or two about it. Not that i am against Dell, but purchasers have the right to speak. You get 14 days to return it if you dont like it. They charged only RM80 for the refund process. Any shops in Low Yat would haf charge you 20% for you to return it. |
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Dec 12 2006, 02:16 PM
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i bought three monitors from dell -- 1907fp, 2407wfp and now the 3007wfp. so far, no problems of any sort.
plus their warranty is one of the best in the market. my friend who bought a 2407wfp thought the monitor had banding problems -- he called up dell and they sent a replacement with no hassle at all. anyway, that is my experience with dell. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- and my question -- where do i get a Kensington lock for my monitor? i think almost all Dell monitors come with it -- i noticed that in the 24" and 30". |
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Dec 12 2006, 03:43 PM
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QUOTE(Demonic Wrath @ Dec 12 2006, 01:07 PM) Hey guys, I asked this question before but no one replied. So I'll ask again. the banding is fixed on desktop mode...but theres backlight bleeding...as what my I'm currently finding a good 20" widescreen LCD for my computer. I use it mainly for gaming and watching videos. I have Dell 2007WFP in my mind. But I noticed some sites saying it has serious banding issues. I wonder if it has been fixed or not? If anyone has a suggestion on which LCD to buy, please give the suggestions too. Thanks in advance. eyes can see.... maybe for you is alrite....overall is a good lcd...not so good if u use it in a dark room on black background....once again its based on my eyes hehe btw..my second replacement just came..will try it out tonite This post has been edited by marky: Dec 12 2006, 03:46 PM |
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Dec 12 2006, 04:40 PM
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LOL...
Regardless of what monitor you use, none of them recommended viewing LCD/CRT in the dark... |
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Dec 12 2006, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE(marky @ Dec 12 2006, 03:43 PM) the banding is fixed on desktop mode...but theres backlight bleeding...as what my I doubt I'll use the LCD in dark room.... so I don't really bother with the backlight bleeding...eyes can see.... maybe for you is alrite....overall is a good lcd...not so good if u use it in a dark room on black background....once again its based on my eyes hehe btw..my second replacement just came..will try it out tonite Btw, how much you bought the 2007wfp? Got any special discount? Currently the cheapest I can find is ~RM1250. |
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Dec 12 2006, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE(Demonic Wrath @ Dec 12 2006, 05:03 PM) I doubt I'll use the LCD in dark room.... so I don't really bother with the backlight bleeding... wah where u find 1250? hehe i bought mine 1299Btw, how much you bought the 2007wfp? Got any special discount? Currently the cheapest I can find is ~RM1250. for 2nd replacement i requested for a02 which is before june batch... and it reach my door today ehhe and its LM201W01 panel |
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Dec 12 2006, 07:23 PM
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QUOTE(marky @ Dec 12 2006, 05:35 PM) wah where u find 1250? hehe i bought mine 1299 wah.. so fast second replacement....`for 2nd replacement i requested for a02 which is before june batch... and it reach my door today ehhe and its LM201W01 panel i just received mine this noon.. hooked up everything.. & now running fine... got several things to ask here... (which might have been asked again & again )1) as wat i know... dead pixel can be checked by using dead pixel buddy.. as for backlight bleeding... how to see it in dark? i mean my display.. not displaying black at all (dunno wat the colour called but it's definitely not black).. so.. is it blacklight bleeding on whole screen?(which i heard some others having it on corners only) 2) while for banding.... how to check ler? 3) and also.. i still fails to press out the panel info.. is it when booting the comp. .... then press the menu & '+' button.. then press '-' button? .... but nothing appears ler... 4) still got wat other things to check on? Thanks in advance for those who kindly reply me... Edit: another question to add in... 5) can lcd be same like crt.. (on & off anytime/allthetime) ? i mean... previously when i'm using crt monitor... , i on my comp. 24/7 for folding.. while leaving my CRT monitor off (when not using it) by pressing the 'on/off' button... and on the monitor again.. when i wanna use it... so... i wonder it lcd also can.. simply on and off it all the time..(by pressing the power button) while leavng my comp. on for folding) This post has been edited by phunkydude: Dec 12 2006, 07:27 PM |
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Dec 12 2006, 10:05 PM
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Err.. one more question here..
Since cannot get the 2407 already.. I'm thinking of getting a 22 inch widescreen. Any recommendations? |
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Dec 12 2006, 11:23 PM
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QUOTE(phunkydude @ Dec 12 2006, 07:23 PM) wah.. so fast second replacement....` 1) i have exactly da same problem as you....four corners bleeding...i had 3 2007wfp all the same lol guess have to live with iti just received mine this noon.. hooked up everything.. & now running fine... got several things to ask here... (which might have been asked again & again )1) as wat i know... dead pixel can be checked by using dead pixel buddy.. as for backlight bleeding... how to see it in dark? i mean my display.. not displaying black at all (dunno wat the colour called but it's definitely not black).. so.. is it blacklight bleeding on whole screen?(which i heard some others having it on corners only) 2) while for banding.... how to check ler? 3) and also.. i still fails to press out the panel info.. is it when booting the comp. .... then press the menu & '+' button.. then press '-' button? .... but nothing appears ler... 4) still got wat other things to check on? Thanks in advance for those who kindly reply me... Edit: another question to add in... 5) can lcd be same like crt.. (on & off anytime/allthetime) ? i mean... previously when i'm using crt monitor... , i on my comp. 24/7 for folding.. while leaving my CRT monitor off (when not using it) by pressing the 'on/off' button... and on the monitor again.. when i wanna use it... so... i wonder it lcd also can.. simply on and off it all the time..(by pressing the power button) while leavng my comp. on for folding) 2) use a program call monitor test 3)off monitor..hold "menu" and "+" then on monitor....wait til dvi logo go off...let go "menu" and "+" and press "-" 4)nothing much to check on ehhe 5) durno how to answer you hehe This post has been edited by marky: Dec 12 2006, 11:24 PM |
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Dec 13 2006, 02:43 AM
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You dont need to turn it off and on again...
LCD unlike CRT doesnt need degauss... |
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Dec 13 2006, 03:45 PM
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Hardware newbie here
 . Like to know are all graphic cards support wide screen resolution??I m using an old graphic card that support standard resolution up to 1600x1200. Need to change?? |
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Dec 13 2006, 08:43 PM
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may i know what is banding problem and how do i identify or rectify this problem?
i just ordered by 24inch widescreen from dell but ill be receiving it the nex 5-7 working days |
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Dec 14 2006, 07:53 AM
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This is banding problem :
http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/26/2007wfp...g-on-gradients/ Notice the stripe between the colors? It's supposed to be smooth color transition. |
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Dec 14 2006, 10:15 AM
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I just bought the new release Samsung 932B .It has a very attractive design. Just like an Apple Monitor.
It was released recently only and even malaysia samsung website does not have it. Its a 19" 4ms monitor. You guys should check it out. I bought it at RM800 because PC fair booth which sells it (3 booth selling for 775 only) all out of stock!zz Link- http://www.samsung.com/th/products/monitor...igital/932b.asp |
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Dec 14 2006, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE(v i n c @ Dec 14 2006, 10:15 AM) I just bought the new release Samsung 932B .It has a very attractive design. Just like an Apple Monitor. how do u find it so far? I was thinking of buying it as well during PC fair... but didn't... was afraid the quality is no good because it is so new and no one use it before... do share with us your experience of using it with us... thanks....It was released recently only and even malaysia samsung website does not have it. Its a 19" 4ms monitor. You guys should check it out. I bought it at RM800 because PC fair booth which sells it (3 booth selling for 775 only) all out of stock!zz Link- http://www.samsung.com/th/products/monitor...igital/932b.asp |
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Dec 14 2006, 10:39 AM
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 Wow..It looks like the R7 series of its LCD TV. Is the bezel in shiny piano finishing? |
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Dec 14 2006, 11:12 AM
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QUOTE(car_o_scope @ Dec 14 2006, 10:39 AM) Wow..It looks like the R7 series of its LCD TV. Is the bezel in shiny piano finishing? |
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Dec 14 2006, 11:15 AM
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QUOTE(redken @ Dec 12 2006, 12:31 AM) Most people that have not dealt with Dell, think highly of their paper policy. In reality it's a different story. Alot of forumers here can tell a tale or two about it. Not that i am against Dell, but purchasers have the right to speak. Oh yeah? Try buying from LowYat and check their warranty policy or their restocking fee if you are not satisfied with the item. You may be very lucky that you do not have to RMA your item so far with any of your purchase...but Dell's warranty policy is the best of its kind in Malaysia. Whats in paper is exactly in practice. Have you ever tried their NBD on-site warranty cause I don't think you have from your above post lol. Buying from Dell means zero interruptions. |
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Dec 14 2006, 12:25 PM
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somehow reading this thread and the previous one, i kind of get the impression that there are a lot of exchange/replacement from user buying Dell LCD... i don't know the detail how good is the Dell warranty...but seriously, i would rather having a good quality product that give me no problem from the time i buy it instead of having good warranty so i can change it so many time...
just my 2 cent, no offence to anyone... |
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Dec 14 2006, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE(LPJ @ Dec 14 2006, 12:25 PM) somehow reading this thread and the previous one, i kind of get the impression that there are a lot of exchange/replacement from user buying Dell LCD... i don't know the detail how good is the Dell warranty...but seriously, i would rather having a good quality product that give me no problem from the time i buy it instead of having good warranty so i can change it so many time... The reason those mofo exchanged again and again is because they are abusing DELL's exchanging/warranty policy. Some tard request for an exchange even though there are fingerprints on the screen. Talk about high-maintenance.just my 2 cent, no offence to anyone... |
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Dec 14 2006, 01:25 PM
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I have been using the Samsung 932B for 3 days now. Looks very good though when i was playing wow with high resolution. 4ms or is it 5ms, cant remember. I cannot rate though cos my previous monitor is a Samsung CRT monitor. But i think its very good since it has magic bright and color.I would recommand this lcd .
The main thing i like is it's sleek design. Even my mum was tempted and my bro was going to get one for himself this weekend. Yeah. It is in 19" inch and only offered in white color. There is also another model coming out which only offers in black color. I saw that in PC-Fair too. But the salesgirl told me that one for display purpose only. Not for sale in Malaysia yet. It also looks like this model just that it is in black colour but different model. This post has been edited by v i n c: Dec 14 2006, 01:26 PM |
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Dec 14 2006, 01:29 PM
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QUOTE(LPJ @ Dec 14 2006, 12:25 PM) somehow reading this thread and the previous one, i kind of get the impression that there are a lot of exchange/replacement from user buying Dell LCD... i don't know the detail how good is the Dell warranty...but seriously, i would rather having a good quality product that give me no problem from the time i buy it instead of having good warranty so i can change it so many time... Lol, if you are indirectly quoting me...let me assured you that Dell's LCD is of fine quality and has no problems. I have bought my Dell LCD together with the Dimension 8400 system and so far >2years no problems at all. I was only stressing the facts about Dell warranty which is excellent cause the other day my PSU stops working when I turned on my PC at 7pm. I called up Dell tech support and help diagnose the problem. It was confirmed later that the PSU was gone and not the motherboard. The next day at 2pm, they were already replacing my PSU and I was able to use my PC later that night. Where else can you get this type of support? I am not sure about Dell LCD support but I suppose it will be as fast and easy if the damage is obvious.just my 2 cent, no offence to anyone... |
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Dec 14 2006, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE(lilzany @ Dec 14 2006, 01:29 PM) Lol, if you are indirectly quoting me... sorry bro if i offence u in anyway, but i am talking in general term after following this thread and the previous thread... because i am planning to get a LCD for myself... it just seem too often people talk about getting exchange/replacement from Dell, that just make me wondering about Dell LCD quality... as i said, i rather have the product working fine from the day i buy it instead of good warranty because i am quite busy, travel a lot and live alone, i don't have much time to stay home for replacement or something... so i need the product to be right in the first time..... |
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Dec 14 2006, 06:24 PM
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well for them to be providing such warranty service at that level imm sure they will provide good quality products or not they will lose hell alot of cost charges am i right?
think again |
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Dec 14 2006, 08:01 PM
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http://www.viewsonic.com/HDLife/viewdock/vx2245wm/
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Dec 14 2006, 10:04 PM
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anyone uses LG lcd around there............ i like to know how good is their digital fine contrast thing work on TN panel........ it seems to be giving extremely highly rate contrast ratios but does it work to our naked eye ??
i seems to cant find any one have this mention around thread or i miss it.......... i'm looking forward for the soon to be launch 22" LG LCD, seems very solid and would be price reasonably......... |
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Dec 14 2006, 10:27 PM
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guys..`..hmmm .. 2007 aspect ratio.....
when i play dota at 1024x768... it stretched till fullscreen >_< anyway to solve that...? |
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Dec 14 2006, 10:44 PM
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QUOTE(LPJ @ Dec 14 2006, 03:06 PM) sorry bro if i offence u in anyway, but i am talking in general term after following this thread and the previous thread... because i am planning to get a LCD for myself... it just seem too often people talk about getting exchange/replacement from Dell, that just make me wondering about Dell LCD quality... as i said, i rather have the product working fine from the day i buy it instead of good warranty because i am quite busy, travel a lot and live alone, i don't have much time to stay home for replacement or something... so i need the product to be right in the first time..... Right, if you leave alone than that will be a problem. So I suggest you buy the best LCD out there. Expensive LCD will not need any warranty or RMA if its not DOA of course (which is most likely cause by mishandling during shipping). Viewsonic will the brand to look into. |
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Dec 15 2006, 02:02 AM
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QUOTE(phunkydude @ Dec 14 2006, 10:27 PM) guys..`..hmmm .. 2007 aspect ratio..... yes...when i play dota at 1024x768... it stretched till fullscreen >_< anyway to solve that...? on the 2007WFP menu, goto Display setting and change the Wide Mode from Fill to 1:1... I think that should solve it... |
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Dec 15 2006, 09:31 AM
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What is the cheapest price for Dell's 2007WFP 20" LCD?
Is the current price of RM1329 a good offer. |
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Dec 15 2006, 12:49 PM
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QUOTE(phunkydude @ Dec 14 2006, 10:27 PM) guys..`..hmmm .. 2007 aspect ratio..... Find:when i play dota at 1024x768... it stretched till fullscreen >_< anyway to solve that...? Code: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Blizzard Entertainment\Warcraft III\Video then Code: reswidth = xxxx and Code: resheight = yyyy change xxxx and yyyy to whatever your screen width and height are (eg: xxxx=1680 yyyy=1050, etc) you can change the cinematic res, too, but I didn't see the point. Oh, and one final point, the game is stretched. |
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Dec 15 2006, 05:02 PM
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i'm getting a widescreen lcd soon 4 my c2d rig.
wanna ask that which 1 is better, i currently hav 3 lcd in my mind: Samsung 940BW LG L194W Viewsonic v1912w another thing is what is the contrast ratio 4? pro here pls me upthx. |
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Dec 15 2006, 07:12 PM
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WHY DELL LCD (24") ....SO HOT...??????
....just 2 Hours.....GOD!! |
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 Dec 16 2006, 12:05 AM
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anyone notice this ?
Dell E228WFP 22" Entry Wide Screen Flat Panel LCD Monitor For me, it kinda over-price... Acer 22' selling like RM1265 only. While Viewsonic 22' also around RM12XX~13XX only. |
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Dec 16 2006, 12:10 AM
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"The next day at 2pm, they were already replacing my PSU and I was able to use my PC later that night. Where else can you get this type of support? I am not sure about Dell LCD support but I suppose it will be as fast and easy if the damage is obvious"....,i know of many cases where tyhey take their time....,you were lucky man....,just your day....
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Dec 16 2006, 02:25 AM
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if i wan buy lcd,which brand should i buy
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Dec 16 2006, 04:12 AM
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heck... i set my mind on dell e207wfp until i read this topic. But as i googled they said they fixed the banding problem? and wats is tat 'ultrasharp' thing does?
and wat about viewsonic vx2025w model? anyone using it? will appreciate it a lot if u can share ur experience wif either model stated in my post. thx |
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Dec 16 2006, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE(radical85 @ Dec 16 2006, 04:12 AM) heck... i set my mind on dell e207wfp until i read this topic. But as i googled they said they fixed the banding problem? and wats is tat 'ultrasharp' thing does? Marketing gimmick to overprice an item?and wat about viewsonic vx2025w model? anyone using it? will appreciate it a lot if u can share ur experience wif either model stated in my post. thx |
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Dec 16 2006, 04:31 PM
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QUOTE(radical85 @ Dec 16 2006, 04:12 AM) and wats is tat 'ultrasharp' thing does? The difference is stated in the spec. Compare both UltraSharp and non-ultrasharp. |
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Dec 16 2006, 05:54 PM
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QUOTE(xyber9 @ Dec 15 2006, 09:31 AM) What is the cheapest price for Dell's 2007WFP 20" LCD? I think the lowest price it ever went was around that price range as well. Cant remember if it ever hit the 12xx price mark before or not.Is the current price of RM1329 a good offer. QUOTE(ryderpat @ Dec 15 2006, 07:12 PM) WHY DELL LCD (24") ....SO HOT...?????? Normal. The 24 incher run hotter than the 20 inch counterpart, but it doesnt matter right? It is not too hot until it melts your LCD (BTW one forummer did make a test run on leaving the 24 inch running overnight in a closed room for a night (or was it a whole day?) and part of the plastic behind melted, but the LCD itself is still working ....just 2 Hours.....GOD!! ) I think you can find that image somewhere in the old LCD Thread QUOTE(ahpaul82 @ Dec 16 2006, 12:05 AM) anyone notice this ? They havent slapped that so-called Instant Price Redemption yet. All Dell LCDs are overpriced until they go slap some form of price redemption (or as I call it, marketting gimmick Dell E228WFP 22" Entry Wide Screen Flat Panel LCD Monitor For me, it kinda over-price... Acer 22' selling like RM1265 only. While Viewsonic 22' also around RM12XX~13XX only. )The 24 incher is priced around 3699 if it werent for that RM1100+ price redemption slapped into it. IN fact the 2007WFP was at 1.6+k as well if it werent for price redemption slapped all around it This post has been edited by Haruji Sora: Dec 16 2006, 05:55 PM |
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Dec 16 2006, 09:46 PM
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hmm`.. guys~ i can't select the 1:1 aspect ratio option... it's greyed-out while the 'Fill' option is selected.....
anyway to play game at non-native reso while not being stretched? anyone know how to solve that? QUOTE(Haruji Sora @ Dec 16 2006, 05:54 PM) I think the lowest price it ever went was around that price range as well. Cant remember if it ever hit the 12xx price mark before or not. 1th-3rd of dec. ... during pc fair time.., it hits down to rm1299 w/ free 5 yrs warranty.. which is when i can't resist anymore to click the "order" button..` lolz.. |
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Dec 17 2006, 12:50 AM
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QUOTE(ahpaul82 @ Dec 16 2006, 12:05 AM) anyone notice this ? Do Dell E228WFP 22" Entry Wide Screen Flat Panel LCD Monitor For me, it kinda over-price... Acer 22' selling like RM1265 only. While Viewsonic 22' also around RM12XX~13XX only. with u on this..furthermore is TN film and plain vanilla..no rotate..no usb...etc |
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Dec 17 2006, 01:05 AM
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^ kinda sarcastic haha
actually at first, i oso skeptical how good the dell lcd is, until i look at the real product, dammit got usb, can tilt and twist like steering wheel, cool |
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Dec 17 2006, 04:12 AM
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QUOTE(phunkydude @ Dec 16 2006, 09:46 PM) hmm`.. guys~ i can't select the 1:1 aspect ratio option... it's greyed-out while the 'Fill' option is selected..... If you're using Nvidia graphic cards then on the ctrl panel for the graphic card there is an option to force display to fixed ratio.anyway to play game at non-native reso while not being stretched? anyone know how to solve that? 1th-3rd of dec. ... during pc fair time.., it hits down to rm1299 w/ free 5 yrs warranty.. which is when i can't resist anymore to click the "order" button..` lolz.. I left that on that particular option so when I play non-wide res' it auto output into non-stretched with two black bars at the side. |
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Dec 17 2006, 11:35 AM
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juz wondering .... is the 2407WFP really tat hot? ....
The price on Dell's website ... do u think there will be another cheaper offer next round? |
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Dec 17 2006, 01:33 PM
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QUOTE(nckent @ Dec 5 2006, 03:55 PM)
tat's wat in my service menu, hope can help u.. Anyway, thanks for your help. nckent. Any L1750T user here. |
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Dec 17 2006, 02:43 PM
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QUOTE(ahpaul82 @ Dec 16 2006, 12:05 AM) anyone notice this ? ya abit overpriced coz iinm, 22' panels r made by only 1 company...chi mei optoelectronicsDell E228WFP 22" Entry Wide Screen Flat Panel LCD Monitor For me, it kinda over-price... Acer 22' selling like RM1265 only. While Viewsonic 22' also around RM12XX~13XX only. |
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Dec 17 2006, 09:27 PM
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Hi all.
suddenly my LCD monitor (DELL 1907), has a blue colour vertical straight line from top to bottom..  how to claim warranty from dell (the process) and how long will it take... pls help... |
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Dec 18 2006, 03:04 AM
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ultrasharp isn't a gimmick then?
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Dec 18 2006, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE(sphiroth @ Dec 17 2006, 09:27 PM) Hi all. Just call the toll free number, go to Customer Service or Technical Support (not sure where is it supposed to fall into, but it is ok, they will direct you to the right place netherless)suddenly my LCD monitor (DELL 1907), has a blue colour vertical straight line from top to bottom.. how to claim warranty from dell (the process) and how long will it take... pls help... Call, give your Cust ID (or your name), then tell them your situation. Prepare your LCD Serial Number as well just in case they ask you. For LCD, it is usually next business day exchange policy, that means today you rpt, tomorrow they send in the replacement through DHL logictics. |
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Dec 18 2006, 10:17 AM
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QUOTE(cablesguy @ Dec 17 2006, 02:43 PM) ya abit overpriced coz iinm, 22' panels r made by only 1 company...chi mei optoelectronics So AU is better ot Chi Mei?? |
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Dec 18 2006, 10:57 PM
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QUOTE(phunkydude @ Dec 16 2006, 09:46 PM) hmm`.. guys~ i can't select the 1:1 aspect ratio option... it's greyed-out while the 'Fill' option is selected..... Okay...anyway to play game at non-native reso while not being stretched? anyone know how to solve that? 1th-3rd of dec. ... during pc fair time.., it hits down to rm1299 w/ free 5 yrs warranty.. which is when i can't resist anymore to click the "order" button..` lolz.. I think you are trying to change the fill -> 1:1 in desktop mode? If you are running your desktop @ 1680x1050, then you cant change anything... Cos its already running at 16:10, thus it is being disabled... Change your desktop resolution to 1024x768 or 1280x1024 then change the fill -> 1:1 and then change your resolution back to 1680x1050... Try it out... |
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Dec 18 2006, 11:05 PM
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QUOTE(zenix @ Dec 18 2006, 03:04 AM) ultrasharp isn't a gimmick then? ultrasharp models come with DVI |
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Dec 19 2006, 01:05 PM
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2007WFP
Does it have, two black bar left n right. for video input ? If watching Astro or playing PS2, GC. I don't like it stretch to fit the screen. |
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Dec 19 2006, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Dec 18 2006, 11:05 PM) ultrasharp models come with DVI not really..some flat panel monitors also comes with DVI.... |
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Dec 19 2006, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE(nycs82 @ Dec 17 2006, 11:35 AM) juz wondering .... is the 2407WFP really tat hot? .... No it is not that hot. You are worrying for no reason.The price on Dell's website ... do u think there will be another cheaper offer next round? |
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Dec 19 2006, 05:06 PM
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just wondering what is a gimmick and what is real technology benefits
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Dec 19 2006, 07:25 PM
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QUOTE(lilzany @ Dec 19 2006, 03:24 PM) not really..some flat panel monitors also comes with DVI.... u sure or not. give an example. |
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Dec 19 2006, 07:55 PM
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Any forumers here using Viewsonic VX2025WM.. Reviews commented that it outperform the price you gonna pay. And it is cheaper that Dell 2007 ...
 SpecificationsLCD Panel Type 20.1" Wide Color TFT Active Matrix LCD Display Area 17.1" horizontal x 10.7" vertical; 20.1" diagonal Optimum Resolution 1680x1050 Contrast Ratio 800:1 (typ) Viewing Angle 176 horizontal, 176 vertical @ contrast ratio > 10:1 Response Time 8ms gray-to-gray (avg.); 16ms white-black-white (typ) Brightness 300 cd/m2 (typ) Light Source Long life, 40,000 hrs. (typ) Panel Surface Anti-glare COMPATIBILITY PC VGA up to 1680x1054 non-interlaced Mac(R) Power Mac(tm) G3/G4/G5 up to 1680x1050 CONNECTOR Analog/Digital 15-pin mini D-sub and DVI-D Power 3-pin AC plug (CEE22) POWER Voltage AC 100-240V, 50-60Hz (auto switch) Consumption 35W (typ) CONTROLS Basic Power, 1, down, up, 2 OnView(R) Auto image adjust, brightness, contrast, input select (analog, digital), ViewMatch(R) color adjust (sRGB, 9300K, 6500K-default, 5400K, user color - RGB), information (resolution, H. frequency, V. frequency, pixel clock, model number, serial number), manual image adjust (H. size, H. position, V. position, fine tune, sharpness), setup menu, language, resolution notice, OSD position, OSD timeout, OSD background, memory recall OPERATING CONDITIONS Temperature 32-104F (0-40C) Humidity 10-90% (non-condensing) DIMENSIONS (WxHxD) WEIGHT Net 13.9 lb. (6.3 kg) (with stand) Physical (mm) 485mm x 441mm x 201mm (with stand) 485mm x 340mm x 67mm (without stand) Gross 16.8 lb. (7.7 kg) (with stand) Physical (in.) 19.0" x 17.3" x 7.9" (with stand) 19.0" x 13.4" x 2.6" (without stand) REGULATIONS UL, cUL, FCC-B, CB, CE, ENERGY STAR, NOM, NEMKO/GS (covers TUV/GS), NEMKO ERGO (covers TUV/ERGO, ISO13406-2 & MPR II), TCO99, GOST-R + 20 original copies hygienic, SASO, PCBC, VCCI, BSMI, CCC, PSB, C-TICK, Argentina-S, Green Mark, RoHS POWER MANAGEMENT Meets TCO'99 and ENERGY standards VIDEO INPUT Analog/Digital RGB analog (75 ohms, 0.7 Vp-p); DVI-D (TMDS, 100 ohms) Frequency Fh: 30~82kHz, Fv: 50~75Hz Sync H/V separated (TTL), composite, sync-on-green WARRANTY Three-year limited warranty on LCD, parts and labor PACKAGE CONTENTS LCD display, power cable, 15-pin VGA video cable, DVI cable, Quick Start Guide, ViewSonic Wizard CD |
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Dec 20 2006, 01:19 AM
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Hi all. I'm planning to purchase a mid-range card most probably a 7600GT 256MB GDDR3. I asked a similar question in the 7series thread whether a 7600GT could run current games on native resolution of a 20" WS LCD (1680x1050).
The feedback was obviously negative. Since a 7600GT does not pumps enough juices to run latest games on at least high settings on 1680x1050, many suggested that it's better off getting 7900GS instead. I'm firmed in getting a 7600GT instead due that i felt it's unworthy to spend more than RM600 on a gfx card (I bought a Galaxy 6600GT @ RM880 and less than 1 year the price of the card is RM250 ). Due to principal i decided not to spend more than RM600 for any gfx card from now on.Now my question What is the recommended resolution should i have in my games running on at least high settings considering i'm getting a 7600GT? Does games looks good with 1280x1024 on a 20" WS LCD with at least4xAA and AF? Will it become ugly and pixelated? Thanks |
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Dec 20 2006, 09:24 AM
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QUOTE(Archaven @ Dec 20 2006, 01:19 AM) Now my question No it wont. I tried NFS Carbon (since the WS hack for some reason is not working for me) on 1280*1024 for both the 20 and the 24 inch WS Dell and I dont see any ugliness or pixelation. Dell is pretty good when it comes to scalling (though for PlayStation 2 via component/s-video input the scalling tends to be slightly more to the bad side)What is the recommended resolution should i have in my games running on at least high settings considering i'm getting a 7600GT? Does games looks good with 1280x1024 on a 20" WS LCD with at least4xAA and AF? Will it become ugly and pixelated? Thanks |
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Dec 20 2006, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE(Haruji Sora @ Dec 20 2006, 09:24 AM) No it wont. I tried NFS Carbon (since the WS hack for some reason is not working for me) on 1280*1024 for both the 20 and the 24 inch WS Dell and I dont see any ugliness or pixelation. Dell is pretty good when it comes to scalling (though for PlayStation 2 via component/s-video input the scalling tends to be slightly more to the bad side) Was it due that you are using 7900GT? .. I'm currently in a dilemma whether i should be getting 7900GS instead |
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Dec 20 2006, 01:09 PM
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One thing u will have to watch for if using 7600GT/GS, is this chipset/card does not have enough horse power/sofware quirk... if you indent to power direct-x app. in windowed mode on a 2d display desktop mode of 4MPixels displays (3MP and below shoud be fine).... No problem in full 3d mode..not windowed... My 8800GTX has no problem thou. Not a problem for those that dont used more than 1920x1200 displays
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Dec 20 2006, 01:10 PM
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hi guys.im planning to buy lcd next month.here my need,
widescreen 20" below 4ms respond time price below RM1200 good for gaming anyone plz recommend which lcd is the best?? btw, what is GTG(gray-to-gray) mean?? |
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Dec 20 2006, 01:19 PM
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QUOTE(azimoth @ Dec 20 2006, 01:10 PM) btw, what is GTG(gray-to-gray) mean?? Time taken for 50% of 3 subpixel (one pixel) twisted to 100%/0% to back to 50% (same state as before). That would be at 45 degrees to 90/0 degrees to back to 45%....polarization of light plane.... Black to White to Black ,...in theory ..should be 2x GTG...This post has been edited by BeastX: Dec 20 2006, 01:21 PM |
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Dec 20 2006, 01:22 PM
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thanks BeastX for that info...
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Dec 20 2006, 01:28 PM
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b.t.w. human brains usually dont register/cannot perceive differences in time below 16 to 20ms (actual .... not as quoted by lcd manufacturers)
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Dec 20 2006, 01:54 PM
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QUOTE(outdoorxplorer @ Dec 19 2006, 07:55 PM) Any forumers here using Viewsonic VX2025WM.. Reviews commented that it outperform the price you gonna pay. And it is cheaper that Dell 2007 ... Yes, is cheaper by dell but dell has better features than viewsonic. Futhermore the panel used is different.I never own any LCD yet, but after some research the VX2025WM has some problem with backlight bleeding while some reported that the DVI is not working perfectly. |
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Dec 20 2006, 04:07 PM
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QUOTE(BeastX @ Dec 20 2006, 01:09 PM) Not a problem for those that dont used more than 1920x1200 displays U means for ur GC or 7600GT? |
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Dec 20 2006, 04:45 PM
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QUOTE(nycs82 @ Dec 20 2006, 04:07 PM) U means for ur GC or 7600GT? I have 3 7600GS..2 with ddr2 one with ddr3 all at default 500MHz for gpu...which I roughly gauge slight deficit in performance compared to GT... that and I do own one 8800gtx. |
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Dec 20 2006, 07:25 PM
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hello
can i know what is the cheapest and good 20" wide screen monitor out there? |
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Dec 20 2006, 09:00 PM
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Dell's and ViewSonic's 20" widescreen LCDs have received some good reviews.
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Dec 20 2006, 11:05 PM
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QUOTE(Archaven @ Dec 20 2006, 01:19 AM) Now my question Cannot lah, ur asking too much from it edi unless you want a very bad frame rate. Don't kid yourself lah. You pay for what you get. Why not spend a little more and buy 7900GT.What is the recommended resolution should i have in my games running on at least high settings considering i'm getting a 7600GT? Does games looks good with 1280x1024 on a 20" WS LCD with at least4xAA and AF? Will it become ugly and pixelated? Thanks |
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Dec 20 2006, 11:09 PM
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if I dun play games, just do surfing and video editing, is it ok to use 7300gt for 20inch widescreen? how about 24 "?
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Dec 20 2006, 11:12 PM
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anyone got experience with a samsung 205BW (20" widescreen)
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Dec 20 2006, 11:12 PM
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I'm going for a 17" - 19" Widescreen - 17" LCD monitor(3LCD)...
I'm still unsure, if i use a DVI splitter would the quality will be less?Got any good brand to lookout for? |
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Dec 21 2006, 12:17 AM
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i have something to ask here.. i'm quiet new in lcd things
does my geforce fx5200 can be used with lcd? especially SAMSUNG SYNCMASTER 940BW? |
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Dec 21 2006, 12:29 AM
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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Dec 21 2006, 12:17 AM) i have something to ask here.. i'm quiet new in lcd things Sure u can. U have the right connector, u are asking for full res gaming?does my geforce fx5200 can be used with lcd? especially SAMSUNG SYNCMASTER 940BW? |
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Dec 21 2006, 12:39 AM
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your fx5200 got DVI output meh?
QUOTE(maxizanc @ Dec 21 2006, 12:17 AM) i have something to ask here.. i'm quiet new in lcd things does my geforce fx5200 can be used with lcd? especially SAMSUNG SYNCMASTER 940BW? |
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Dec 21 2006, 12:54 AM
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QUOTE(lilzany @ Dec 21 2006, 12:39 AM) your fx5200 got DVI output meh? dont have but i believe that samsung 940bw has dvi n vga.. |
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Dec 21 2006, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Dec 21 2006, 12:54 AM) dont have but i believe that samsung 940bw has dvi n vga.. then use VGA. |
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Dec 22 2006, 10:53 AM
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Hi guys, I just place my order for a Dell 2007wfp.
I have some questions here, hopefuly you all can kindly help me to answer it. 1) What are the chances that I will get an S-IPS panel? If I dont get an S-IPS panel, is it possible for me to call them up and ask them to exchange an S-IPS panel for me? 2) I call them up and the sales rep says it is a Rev A03, anyone know what is fixed in Rev A03? Thanks in advance. This post has been edited by lexasp: Dec 22 2006, 10:54 AM |
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Dec 22 2006, 11:46 AM
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QUOTE(lexasp @ Dec 22 2006, 10:53 AM) Hi guys, I just place my order for a Dell 2007wfp. 1 - I can say, high chances. Well you can call up to exchange, but must be for a valid reason (like Dead Pixel ke, severe backlight bleeding ke), most of the time you can give some stupid reason and they will arrange for a replacement anyways.I have some questions here, hopefuly you all can kindly help me to answer it. 1) What are the chances that I will get an S-IPS panel? If I dont get an S-IPS panel, is it possible for me to call them up and ask them to exchange an S-IPS panel for me? 2) I call them up and the sales rep says it is a Rev A03, anyone know what is fixed in Rev A03? Thanks in advance. 2 - They fixed the banding issue properly on the Desktop Mode. |
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Dec 24 2006, 08:06 AM
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sorry asking a noob question here.
I still cant figure it out tat dell 2407wft height adjustment... i manage to find a button behind the stand but i cant move up or down.. pls help thanks.. |
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Dec 24 2006, 08:34 AM
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QUOTE(terencetoo @ Dec 24 2006, 08:06 AM) sorry asking a noob question here. the oblong button on the stand is to lock the stand at the lowest position... to release apply additional pressure down on the monitor,,before pressing the button will release the monitor.. at least on some stand reversion...that are at least 2.. 1st one was easier to release.. manually push monitor up/down for height adjustment.I still cant figure it out tat dell 2407wft height adjustment... i manage to find a button behind the stand but i cant move up or down.. pls help thanks.. This post has been edited by BeastX: Dec 24 2006, 08:36 AM |
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Dec 24 2006, 05:00 PM
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Hi, i have problem with my samsung 15' lcd monitor, the monitor colour just fade, and everything just went black. Still able to see, but blurish and have to move really close only can see a blurish image. Should i sent to samsung service center for a checkup? how much they usually charge?
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Dec 24 2006, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE(ibexgeo @ Dec 24 2006, 05:00 PM) Hi, i have problem with my samsung 15' lcd monitor, the monitor colour just fade, and everything just went black. Still able to see, but blurish and have to move really close only can see a blurish image. Should i sent to samsung service center for a checkup? how much they usually charge? mostly defective analog vga cable... 15 inch..likely builtin? harder to replace... |
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Dec 24 2006, 11:45 PM
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@BeastX
Thanks for the help.. i manage to push the lcd down but not up any more..tats the max tat i cant rotate the screen? hmm..? wonder how u did it? mind to teach me? coz it seems i do not have enough space for my screen to rotare vertically |
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Dec 25 2006, 07:57 AM
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QUOTE(terencetoo @ Dec 24 2006, 11:45 PM) ..tats the max tat i cant rotate the screen? hmm..? wonder how u did it? For 2407wfp with the ori. stand you cant rotate the monitor while the screen is at verticle position without hitting the table or stand.. logic would have it that u would have to tilt the monitor backward...screen facing the celing.. to the max..before u can rotate 90 degrees... then tilt the monitor back to the position u desire.mind to teach me? coz it seems i do not have enough space for my screen to rotare vertically This post has been edited by BeastX: Dec 25 2006, 08:02 AM |
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Dec 25 2006, 11:23 AM
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hi guys, been reading this thread and seems dell has some good reviews. dell currently has a promotion going on for its 20" widescreen LCDs as well as normal LCDs. I cannot decide what to get, is it better to go widescreen? I only play Titan Quest, strategy (RTS) games and surf the net as well as blogging and photo editing. I have a Geforce 7600GS overclocked to gpu500/mem450.
Can the dell widescreen handle scaling at lower resolutions (look good and not pixelated) so i can play my Titan Quest at 1024x768 (since my card is slow I have to scale down)? Hopefully someone with some experience with these dell models can help. Thanks much! also i really can't decide between the RM1499 20" or the RM1699 22"? The 22" has a 5ms response time but is an entry level model while the 20" is a high end model. I don't think I'd need the composite or S-video inputs as I don't intend to watch TV or dvds on it. |
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Dec 26 2006, 09:16 AM
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QUOTE(mzms @ Dec 25 2006, 11:23 AM) Can the dell widescreen handle scaling at lower resolutions (look good and not pixelated) so i can play my Titan Quest at 1024x768 (since my card is slow I have to scale down)? Hopefully someone with some experience with these dell models can help. Thanks much! Yes Dell handles upscale (at least for PC source) very well, and for 1024*768 (heck even 640*480), it upscales pretty good for me, cant find and form of pixelation (and I am running the 24 inch that has a native res' of 1920*1200)also i really can't decide between the RM1499 20" or the RM1699 22"? The 22" has a 5ms response time but is an entry level model while the 20" is a high end model. I don't think I'd need the composite or S-video inputs as I don't intend to watch TV or dvds on it. I'm not sure about the 22inch as I havent read any reviews about it. But if i'm not mistaken, the 22 inch should be a TN Panel, while the 20 inch 2007WFP should be still on S-IPS Panel (or S-PVA). TN Panel is generally good, it is cheap to produce, has good response time, and overally a good panel, just that viewing angle on a TN would be limited. So if viewing angle is no problem to you, and you seriously are a pure gamer, you might want to gun for the 22 inch Dell (though I think ViewSonic also have 22 inch variant, and depending on Dell current promotion price, it may be priced higher or lesser than the Dell) Go read some reviews, think about what you going to use your LCD for. To me I would not go for a TN Panel bcoz I am primary a movie/anime watcher first, gaming second. And I need the inputs for my PS2. That's why I went for the more expensive S-PVA variant than other TN LCDs like Acer 22 inch or so. |
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Dec 26 2006, 10:14 AM
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2007WFP price just went up back to RM1999
 .....can buy 2 unit of E207WFP already |
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Dec 26 2006, 10:45 AM
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hello... i'm interested in this samsung 940BF lcd... anyone here has used this b4? isit worth to buy? and is this model newer than the 960BF?
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Dec 26 2006, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE(lonewolf @ Dec 26 2006, 10:14 AM) 2007WFP price just went up back to RM1999 Aiyo..I noticed that too.. Increased liao.. .....can buy 2 unit of E207WFP already Certainly, this is not the right time to get one, isn't it? |
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Dec 26 2006, 11:10 PM
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btw guys samsung 940bf and benq fp93gx almost the same hor? both quality good tak? planning to get the benq wan cos cheaper...hehe
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Dec 26 2006, 11:49 PM
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Thinking of buying a DELL 20 Inch Wide Screen LCD.
It's DELL E207WFP good for watching dvd movies or HD movies, play computer games & internet surfing? Anybody owns a DELL E207WFP please give some comments on it. Thanks! |
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Dec 27 2006, 12:03 AM
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QUOTE(DiCalto @ Dec 26 2006, 11:10 PM) btw guys samsung 940bf and benq fp93gx almost the same hor? both quality good tak? planning to get the benq wan cos cheaper...hehe eh i oso looking 940bf... so how much u saw for tat 2 lcd? |
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Dec 27 2006, 02:14 AM
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just bought Benq fp93gx and happy using it compare to my 17 flat viewsonic crt the benq colour is richer.overall it is a good lcd.
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Dec 27 2006, 02:36 PM
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Just got my 2007wfp, it is a s-pva panel and got a dead pixel. sigh.....
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Dec 27 2006, 02:53 PM
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How do you know it is a S-PVA?
If you're talking about the panel code not matching the old A02 panel code of the S-IPS which starts with LG something, then it is that way. Since Dell hides their panel code now on their system menu. Try to see if your panel has S-IPS charateristics or not, so far the last time I received the 2007WFP (around November) it is still a S-IPS panel. Dead pixel that one cant do much >_<, my 2407WFP also have one dead (luckily it is at the corner, so very hard to notice). In fact I had two frns who bought the 2407WFP before and both of them had zero dead pix. My first 2407WFP came in with 3 dead, I complained, they replaced my reordering for me, next shipment got one dead. Anyways 1 dead is better than 3, and I damn fedup with replacing already (I replaced my 2007WFP 3 times, twice by the refurbished brand new [next day replacement], once by reordering) |
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Dec 27 2006, 02:56 PM
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thats the prob w dell....cant test the product first before deciding....iinm its 5 pixels and abv before u can rma right?
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QUOTE(TypeR @ Dec 26 2006, 11:49 PM) Thinking of buying a DELL 20 Inch Wide Screen LCD. IMHO...with the price that u r paying for the E207WFP, i will reckon u get the Viewsonic vx2025wb instead.It's DELL E207WFP good for watching dvd movies or HD movies, play computer games & internet surfing? Anybody owns a DELL E207WFP please give some comments on it. Thanks! This post has been edited by lonewolf: Dec 27 2006, 03:07 PM |
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Dec 27 2006, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE(Haruji Sora @ Dec 27 2006, 02:53 PM) How do you know it is a S-PVA? I know it is a s-pva coz the panel code is sam wsxga LTM201M1, weirdly mine is still rev A02. Call them up for a replacement, as I wanted Rev 03, besides the dead pixel really annoyed me. Hope can get a replacement la, coz the care line assistant say will get back to me. If you're talking about the panel code not matching the old A02 panel code of the S-IPS which starts with LG something, then it is that way. Since Dell hides their panel code now on their system menu. Try to see if your panel has S-IPS charateristics or not, so far the last time I received the 2007WFP (around November) it is still a S-IPS panel. Dead pixel that one cant do much >_<, my 2407WFP also have one dead (luckily it is at the corner, so very hard to notice). In fact I had two frns who bought the 2407WFP before and both of them had zero dead pix. My first 2407WFP came in with 3 dead, I complained, they replaced my reordering for me, next shipment got one dead. Anyways 1 dead is better than 3, and I damn fedup with replacing already (I replaced my 2007WFP 3 times, twice by the refurbished brand new [next day replacement], once by reordering) by the way she did say she want a screenshot from me, but dead pixel where can capture screenshot? I tried to call her back, but her extension no one answer. Damn. |
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Dec 27 2006, 06:20 PM
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wta,
is there anyway to ensure that any lcd panels ordered frm dell is free frm dead/stuck pixels? |
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Dec 27 2006, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE(lexasp @ Dec 27 2006, 05:37 PM) I know it is a s-pva coz the panel code is sam wsxga LTM201M1, weirdly mine is still rev A02. Call them up for a replacement, as I wanted Rev 03, besides the dead pixel really annoyed me. Hope can get a replacement la, coz the care line assistant say will get back to me. Huh? You just bought it and they ship you a A02?by the way she did say she want a screenshot from me, but dead pixel where can capture screenshot? I tried to call her back, but her extension no one answer. Damn. The 2007WFP was on Rev A03 for quite some time now. What was your manufacturing month for that LCD? The last time I received the 2007WFP (about early Nov), it was a A03 Manufactured on October 2006. Call up Customer Service instead, demand them to replace for you, demand for a brand new if you just received it (not more than 7 days I think). A brand new as in reorder again, NOT the next day replacement system. The process for them to reorder and replace for you should take 3 days or so, similar time frame that will be taken when you ordered your LCD before. QUOTE(cablesguy @ Dec 27 2006, 06:20 PM) wta, No such thing. Just pray hard. Dell is a lottery system. I do know a few shops in LowYat does carry Dell, but only selected models, and most of them are the 17 inch variants. The only way to be sure a LCD is Zero free from dead/stuck pix are to check it throughly before buying it from shops. Since Dell is delivery only basis, too bad...is there anyway to ensure that any lcd panels ordered frm dell is free frm dead/stuck pixels? This post has been edited by Haruji Sora: Dec 27 2006, 07:52 PM |
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Dec 28 2006, 09:58 AM
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QUOTE(Haruji Sora @ Dec 27 2006, 07:31 PM) Huh? You just bought it and they ship you a A02? Yeah, I just bought it and got it yesterday, weridly it is Rev A02. manufacturing date is october 2006.The 2007WFP was on Rev A03 for quite some time now. What was your manufacturing month for that LCD? The last time I received the 2007WFP (about early Nov), it was a A03 Manufactured on October 2006. Call up Customer Service instead, demand them to replace for you, demand for a brand new if you just received it (not more than 7 days I think). A brand new as in reorder again, NOT the next day replacement system. The process for them to reorder and replace for you should take 3 days or so, similar time frame that will be taken when you ordered your LCD before. I call them up yesterday, the customer service says that they will call me back today. Hope everthing is alright. Thanks for yout tips Haruji. BTW, how can I make sure the replacement I received is a brand new monitor and not a refurbish set. How to distinguish them? Both also come in a brand new box? This post has been edited by lexasp: Dec 28 2006, 10:06 AM |
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Dec 28 2006, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE(lexasp @ Dec 27 2006, 05:37 PM) I know it is a s-pva coz the panel code is sam wsxga LTM201M1, weirdly mine is still rev A02. Call them up for a replacement, as I wanted Rev 03, besides the dead pixel really annoyed me. Hope can get a replacement la, coz the care line assistant say will get back to me. Sure you can capture the dead pixel...by the way she did say she want a screenshot from me, but dead pixel where can capture screenshot? I tried to call her back, but her extension no one answer. Damn. you can always use Photoshop to "enhance" your picture |
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Dec 28 2006, 12:01 PM
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QUOTE(lexasp @ Dec 28 2006, 09:58 AM) Yeah, I just bought it and got it yesterday, weridly it is Rev A02. manufacturing date is october 2006. - check the box (most of the time the refurbish set comes with different box)I call them up yesterday, the customer service says that they will call me back today. Hope everthing is alright. Thanks for yout tips Haruji. BTW, how can I make sure the replacement I received is a brand new monitor and not a refurbish set. How to distinguish them? Both also come in a brand new box? - check the manufacture date - check the "usage hours" in the menu's factory settings |
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Dec 28 2006, 12:36 PM
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QUOTE(ahsham @ Dec 28 2006, 11:56 AM) Sure you can capture the dead pixel... haha, called them up again today and they said snap a pic with a digi cam but I told them I dont have a digicam so now I dont need to send them the picture, only the serial number.you can always use Photoshop to "enhance" your picture QUOTE(ahsham @ Dec 28 2006, 12:01 PM) - check the box (most of the time the refurbish set comes with different box) k thanks for the tips but....- check the manufacture date - check the "usage hours" in the menu's factory settings 1) how different is the box? and what if my replacement unit comes in a "not most of the time" different box? 2) mine was manufacted in october 2006 even though I just got it yesterday, so how to accurately judge by the manufacturing date? 3) If I am not mistaken, usage hours can be reset right? This post has been edited by lexasp: Dec 28 2006, 12:37 PM |
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Dec 28 2006, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE(lexasp @ Dec 28 2006, 12:36 PM) haha, called them up again today and they said snap a pic with a digi cam but I told them I dont have a digicam so now I dont need to send them the picture, only the serial number. da replacement i get came with 2 extra stickers on the box...k thanks for the tips but.... 1) how different is the box? and what if my replacement unit comes in a "not most of the time" different box? 2) mine was manufacted in october 2006 even though I just got it yesterday, so how to accurately judge by the manufacturing date? 3) If I am not mistaken, usage hours can be reset right? 1. priority 2. brand new so hav no choice but to blif its brand new hehe btw i feel A02 better than A03 |
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Dec 28 2006, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE(marky @ Dec 28 2006, 03:26 PM) da replacement i get came with 2 extra stickers on the box... brand new also need sticker? 1. priority 2. brand new so hav no choice but to blif its brand new hehe btw i feel A02 better than A03 Really? A02 is better? Dunno la, hope to get better luck this time. Wish that this time I would get a S-IPS and Zero dead pixel monitor, even though if it is S-PVA with 0 dead pixel I also dont mind la, just doesnt want any dead pixel on my monitor. Hope everything alright, the careline assistant assure me that the replacement unit will be a brand new one, but she said might take 2 weeks for it to arrive. Wonder she got con me or not |
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Dec 29 2006, 02:17 AM
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An A02 with SPVA Panel coding plastered on the system menu is not good however (the old batch A02 with S-IPS is good, not the S-PVA)
Funny, I got an October 2006 before as well but it is definetly a A03 with the panel coding masked (hidden) by Dell. Are we still talking about the 20 inch 2007WFP? ---------------------------------------------------------- 1) how different is the box? and what if my replacement unit comes in a "not most of the time" different box? --> The "other" type of box (which I got twice b4 I fire the CS and demand them to reorder for me, is VERY different from the one you receive. The original box is smaller, and all the items are packed nicely with all sort of foams and protection, has the stand detached, and has the CD and manual in place. The other box, which has tonnes of Brand New Stickers on it, is larger, had the monitor still attached to the panel, wrapped around a single layer of plastic, and plastered/sandwiched together with two large syrofoam to keep it in place. IIRC, it has no CD and manual included in it. Believe me, once you see you know the box is different. 3) If I am not mistaken, usage hours can be reset right? --> Yes usage hours can be reset, but Dell Msia is so lazy that they didnt even bother resetting it sometimes. When I got my 2007WFP during Raya (i refunded already that one), my first replacement came with 444 hours plastered on the timer, the second came with 39 hours on it. Then the 3rd replacement are the one that got re-oredered (took a week for it to arrifve due to "some" problems), and it is brand new box that is exactly the same with the first one that arrived (alas that replacement also got some small issues that made me decide to refund and reorder the 2407WFP instead >_<) This post has been edited by Haruji Sora: Dec 29 2006, 02:19 AM |
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Dec 29 2006, 02:44 AM
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Greetings All, after reading a few more reviews on various monitors, i think i've succesfully managed to confuse myself all over again.Juggling a decision to purchase a 19"-20" LCD. Could some of you enlighten me on what ultimately should i be looking for in a solid LCD monitor? i do plan to game and watch media on it. I have a strict budget and would like to spend under 900 for it if possible.
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Dec 29 2006, 05:07 AM
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Just bought myself a Samsung 971P.. my eyes are still in transaction between CRT's and LCD's.
BTW I have been reading the post a couple of pages up seems to be arguing over Dell 2007WFP with S-IPS and S-PVA panel. Seems like S-IPS are more "demanded" rather then S-PVA panel, care to elaborate more regarding this matter? Is S-IPS panel more superior the S-PVA..? |
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Dec 29 2006, 10:21 AM
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QUOTE(XCremator @ Dec 29 2006, 05:07 AM) Just bought myself a Samsung 971P.. my eyes are still in transaction between CRT's and LCD's. refer hereBTW I have been reading the post a couple of pages up seems to be arguing over Dell 2007WFP with S-IPS and S-PVA panel. Seems like S-IPS are more "demanded" rather then S-PVA panel, care to elaborate more regarding this matter? Is S-IPS panel more superior the S-PVA..? http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/383529 |
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QUOTE(Swaye @ Dec 29 2006, 02:44 AM) Greetings All, after reading a few more reviews on various monitors, i think i've succesfully managed to confuse myself all over again.Juggling a decision to purchase a 19"-20" LCD. Could some of you enlighten me on what ultimately should i be looking for in a solid LCD monitor? i do plan to game and watch media on it. I have a strict budget and would like to spend under 900 for it if possible. Anybody care to shed some light on my plight? |
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Dec 29 2006, 06:29 PM
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Wow a very detail yet simple explanation.
Seems like S-IPS is better in color reproduction compared to S-PVA. Well for now im really satisfied with my S-PVA panel. The contrast was superb and im satisfied with the color reproduction of the system. |
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Dec 29 2006, 08:08 PM
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Hi
Am i right in saying that for lcd panels, there is no way to avoid backlight bleeding, only to minimise it...thx in advance |
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Dec 30 2006, 04:11 AM
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just bought viewsonic vx2030wm, everything is good except that there is colour banding problem
do vx2025wide facing the same colour banding problem too? tell me pls.... |
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Dec 30 2006, 07:26 AM
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Anyone using this LCD... Acer AL2216W (22" Widescreen)
Interested in getting one, owner please share your experience |
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Dec 30 2006, 11:51 AM
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normally LCD can tahan how many years??
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Dec 30 2006, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE(CherylDarryl @ Dec 30 2006, 11:51 AM) normally LCD can tahan how many years?? Excpected life time 60000 hours.But practical usage I guess it will be more or less 5 years and more (maybe, correct me if I'm wrong). |
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Dec 30 2006, 06:26 PM
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QUOTE(lonewolf @ Dec 18 2006, 10:17 AM) So AU is better ot Chi Mei?? hey lonewolf...sorry didnt see the abv thread....in answer to ur question, sorry i dont know, im still reading up myself on tft panels lol...btw good thread on the TFT Technology Panel Guide thx |
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Dec 30 2006, 08:19 PM
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guys, i'm currently using the old benq FP531 lcd...but my buttons got problem and for no reason, the lcd will turn off by itself...
is this problem fixable? and which brand and model of lcd would u recommend me? i use my lcd mainly for designing, movie and little bit of gaming...and will prefer a 19 inch...budget is roughly rm700-800..and i prefer not to have a widescreen...as it will stretch the image...(unless there's one that doesn't) |
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Dec 31 2006, 04:19 PM
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Can anybody enlighten me. Im goin to buy a lcd monitor. Rite now i have 2 model in mind VX2235wm and VX2025wm. Ive been checking in many forum that say VX2025wm are better then VX2235wm. They say VX2025wm colours are better. But i cant resist the 22inch big. Which 1 should i buy?
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Dec 31 2006, 08:14 PM
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QUOTE(Luzcrifier @ Dec 31 2006, 04:19 PM) Can anybody enlighten me. Im goin to buy a lcd monitor. Rite now i have 2 model in mind VX2235wm and VX2025wm. Ive been checking in many forum that say VX2025wm are better then VX2235wm. They say VX2025wm colours are better. But i cant resist the 22inch big. Which 1 should i buy? size does matter.... check my sig..  |
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Dec 31 2006, 08:45 PM
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guys..., how to lock set the lcd setting to aspect ratio... when gaming..
i mean everytime i gaming.. , i got to press the menu + , - ... set it ... again and again`... is there anyway to ... lock it to aspect ratio? |
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Dec 31 2006, 09:13 PM
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QUOTE(lexasp @ Dec 27 2006, 05:37 PM) I know it is a s-pva coz the panel code is sam wsxga LTM201M1, weirdly mine is still rev A02. Call them up for a replacement, as I wanted Rev 03, besides the dead pixel really annoyed me. Hope can get a replacement la, coz the care line assistant say will get back to me. i think that a02 s-pva is from somewhere else... by the way she did say she want a screenshot from me, but dead pixel where can capture screenshot? I tried to call her back, but her extension no one answer. Damn. i got mine at mid of dec. .. it's still sips a03 rt803 .. |
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Jan 1 2007, 12:54 AM
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QUOTE(Luzcrifier @ Dec 31 2006, 04:19 PM) Can anybody enlighten me. Im goin to buy a lcd monitor. Rite now i have Dear Luzcrifier,2 model in mind VX2235wm and VX2025wm. Ive been checking in many forum that say VX2025wm are better then VX2235wm. They say VX2025wm colours are better. But i cant resist the 22inch big. Which 1 should i buy? What you found on the forums are quite true. The Viewsonic VX2025wm does use a better quality panel compared to the VX2235wm. In fact it uses a full 8bit panel which makes better colour reproduction. The VX2235wm uses only a 6bit + 2bit dithering which makes colour reproduction slightly less accurate than the former. The difference might not be big if you're just a regular user. The reason I state this is that modern dithering method has gained much improvements so the gap is closing. Also 6bit panels enables slightly better pixel response. I'm currently using the Viewsonic VX2235wm and I'm very satisfied with its performance, at least in my area of application. Believe me that 22" of desktop space does open a lot more multitasking possibilities especially if you're coming from a smaller monitor. It has the same resolution as the 20" LCD but the extra 2" make reading text an easier task. Video reproductions are good and PC gaming is superb. You do need a higher-end graphic card to run at the native resolution (1680x1050) in order to see the real thing. Of course you could run at lower resolutions, just remember to maintain 16:10 aspect ratio. Running this panel with XBOX360 will result in washed out colours but I think this is another issue with the XBOX360. Also remember that the VX2235wm do not have DVI-HDCP just like the Acer AL2216w. The VX2025wm also don't have HDCP, unless you go the Samsung way. Again you need to maintain a HDCP compliant graphic card as well. But again, HDCP isn't the thing yet. Right now, the PC industry is going HDCP over the DVI interface while the AV industry prefers the HDMI. But in the future, DisplayPort is going to replace DVI so it will never end. So HDCP or not is up to you if you plan to still use the panel few years from now in which DisplayPort could be taking over. Samsung do have a 20" panel 205BW, which is comparable with VX2025wm in quality. There's a 22" Samsung panel and a Dell brand coming around the corner, so I suggest you wait a little more. Hope this helps. |
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Jan 1 2007, 01:08 PM
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guys...
anyone here using Dell's monitor? i'm considering on getting a normal square shape monitor vs. widescreen monitor... any inputs here? basically for widescreen, i'm just afraid there might be some problems later on if i'm playing games that does not support widescreen format... any other problems? |
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Jan 1 2007, 03:00 PM
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anyone saw the new samsung LCD 732 and 932 model ? and got the specs?
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Jan 1 2007, 04:06 PM
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erm. i am going to buy LCD monitor in the future. i want to ask what is the best and cheap LCD we can get now? i am looking the size around 17inch and 19 inch.
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Jan 1 2007, 08:33 PM
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[quote=davidmak,Jan 1 2007, 12:54 AM]
[bad html removed]QuoteBegin-Luzcrifier+Dec 31 2006, 04:19 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Luzcrifier @ Dec 31 2006, 04:19 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>[bad html removed]QuoteEBegin-->Can anybody enlighten me. Im goin to buy a lcd monitor. Rite now i have 2 model in mind VX2235wm and VX2025wm. Ive been checking in many forum that say VX2025wm are better then VX2235wm. They say VX2025wm colours are better. But i cant resist the 22inch big. Which 1 should i buy? [/quote] Dear Luzcrifier, What you found on the forums are quite true. The Viewsonic VX2025wm does use a better quality panel compared to the VX2235wm. In fact it uses a full 8bit panel which makes better colour reproduction. The VX2235wm uses only a 6bit + 2bit dithering which makes colour reproduction slightly less accurate than the former. The difference might not be big if you're just a regular user. The reason I state this is that modern dithering method has gained much improvements so the gap is closing. Also 6bit panels enables slightly better pixel response. I'm currently using the Viewsonic VX2235wm and I'm very satisfied with its performance, at least in my area of application. Believe me that 22" of desktop space does open a lot more multitasking possibilities especially if you're coming from a smaller monitor. It has the same resolution as the 20" LCD but the extra 2" make reading text an easier task. Video reproductions are good and PC gaming is superb. You do need a higher-end graphic card to run at the native resolution (1680x1050) in order to see the real thing. Of course you could run at lower resolutions, just remember to maintain 16:10 aspect ratio. Running this panel with XBOX360 will result in washed out colours but I think this is another issue with the XBOX360. Also remember that the VX2235wm do not have DVI-HDCP just like the Acer AL2216w. The VX2025wm also don't have HDCP, unless you go the Samsung way. Again you need to maintain a HDCP compliant graphic card as well. But again, HDCP isn't the thing yet. Right now, the PC industry is going HDCP over the DVI interface while the AV industry prefers the HDMI. But in the future, DisplayPort is going to replace DVI so it will never end. So HDCP or not is up to you if you plan to still use the panel few years from now in which DisplayPort could be taking over. Samsung do have a 20" panel 205BW, which is comparable with VX2025wm in quality. There's a 22" Samsung panel and a Dell brand coming around the corner, so I suggest you wait a little more. Hope this helps. [/quote] any idea how much Viewsonic VX2235wm cost? |
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Jan 1 2007, 08:41 PM
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Hmmmm, I'm still deciding on whether to get 2 x 2007WFP straight or 1 x 2407WFP and then get another 1 x 2407WFP a couple of months later. |
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Jan 1 2007, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE(refnulf @ Jan 1 2007, 08:41 PM) Hmmmm, I'm still deciding on whether to get 2 x 2007WFP straight or 1 x 2407WFP and then get another 1 x 2407WFP a couple of months later. wat bout a setup of ... 2x 2007wfp (pivot-vertical) & 1x 30" incher.. late in future.. |
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Jan 1 2007, 09:23 PM
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QUOTE(phunkydude @ Jan 1 2007, 09:17 PM) wat bout a setup of ... 2x 2007wfp (pivot-vertical) & 1x 30" incher.. late in future.. That's a good idea. 2007WFP will suffice till then. |
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Jan 1 2007, 09:59 PM
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any suggestion wif the 19" lcd monitor?which brand is better?what model?
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Jan 2 2007, 12:19 AM
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QUOTE(jiant @ Jan 1 2007, 09:59 PM) any suggestion wif the 19" lcd monitor?which brand is better?what model? budget?..and mainly use for what?...need widescreen?.. |
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Jan 2 2007, 01:48 AM
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[/quote]
any idea how much Viewsonic VX2235wm cost? [/quote] The Viewsonic VX2235wm should cost you not over RM1300. Try shopping around the 3rd floor of Low Yat and you should be able to get a fair deal. Do wait a little longer, if you want to look for a Samsung model though. |
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Jan 2 2007, 01:56 AM
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QUOTE(jiant @ Jan 1 2007, 09:59 PM) any suggestion wif the 19" lcd monitor?which brand is better?what model? If you're looking for a 19" LCD monitor with both DVI and VGA analog connections together with DVI-HDCP with a 4:3 aspect ratio (non widescreen), the Samsung 932B should be a good choice.Its design is similar to the Samsung R7 LCD TV series with sleek white piano finish. Price should be slightly below RM900 if I'm not mistaken but please do check around. Here's a link to the product specification: http://www.samsung.com/my/products/monitor...terlcd/932b.asp If you want a widescreen, I guess the Samsung 940BW should a good choice. But there's no R7 style design. |
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Jan 2 2007, 02:28 AM
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[quote=davidmak,Jan 2 2007, 01:48 AM]
[/quote] any idea how much Viewsonic VX2235wm cost? [/quote] The Viewsonic VX2235wm should cost you not over RM1300. Try shopping around the 3rd floor of Low Yat and you should be able to get a fair deal. Do wait a little longer, if you want to look for a Samsung model though. [/quote] u know how much samsung gonna cost? my budget is around 1.7k |
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Jan 2 2007, 10:38 AM
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Jan 2 2007, 01:56 AM) If you're looking for a 19" LCD monitor with both DVI and VGA analog connections together with DVI-HDCP with a 4:3 aspect ratio (non widescreen), the Samsung 932B should be a good choice. samsung 932b is 5:4 ratio...Its design is similar to the Samsung R7 LCD TV series with sleek white piano finish. Price should be slightly below RM900 if I'm not mistaken but please do check around. Here's a link to the product specification: http://www.samsung.com/my/products/monitor...terlcd/932b.asp If you want a widescreen, I guess the Samsung 940BW should a good choice. But there's no R7 style design. |
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Jan 2 2007, 11:02 AM
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QUOTE(smokey @ Jan 2 2007, 10:38 AM) samsung 932b is 5:4 ratio... 5:4 (1280x1024) is the standard ratio for 19" display. |
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Jan 2 2007, 12:28 PM
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jan 2 2007, 11:02 AM) 5:4 (1280x1024) is the standard ratio for 19" display. Oops, thanks for the correction. Anyway this is a good monitor. There's some good reviews over the internet. Happy shopping then! |
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Jan 2 2007, 01:36 PM
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[quote=Luzcrifier,Jan 2 2007, 02:28 AM]
any idea how much Viewsonic VX2235wm cost? [/quote] The Viewsonic VX2235wm should cost you not over RM1300. Try shopping around the 3rd floor of Low Yat and you should be able to get a fair deal. Do wait a little longer, if you want to look for a Samsung model though. [/quote] u know how much samsung gonna cost? my budget is around 1.7k [/quote] Your budget of RM1700 should be more than enough for the 22" Samsung LCD widescreen. I guess it should be around RM1500 during introduction. I'll be glad if it debut at a price similar the Viewsonic. |
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Jan 2 2007, 07:38 PM
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[quote=davidmak,Jan 2 2007, 01:36 PM]
The Viewsonic VX2235wm should cost you not over RM1300. Try shopping around the 3rd floor of Low Yat and you should be able to get a fair deal. Do wait a little longer, if you want to look for a Samsung model though. [/quote] u know how much samsung gonna cost? my budget is around 1.7k [/quote] Your budget of RM1700 should be more than enough for the 22" Samsung LCD widescreen. I guess it should be around RM1500 during introduction. I'll be glad if it debut at a price similar the Viewsonic. [/quote] thx u for the info. any idea when it gonna come out? |
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Jan 2 2007, 09:09 PM
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anyone care to point me some sites that discuss on 'color banding' problem? i don't have a clue about it.
thanks in advance. |
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Jan 2 2007, 09:23 PM
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QUOTE(lonewolf @ Jan 2 2007, 12:19 AM) budget?..and mainly use for what?...need widescreen?.. normally for web surfing....music edit and some graphic design...just want midrange..8ms respond time or lowest..no want too slow.This post has been edited by jiant: Jan 2 2007, 09:26 PM |
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Jan 2 2007, 10:13 PM
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[quote=Luzcrifier,Jan 2 2007, 07:38 PM]
u know how much samsung gonna cost? my budget is around 1.7k [/quote] Your budget of RM1700 should be more than enough for the 22" Samsung LCD widescreen. I guess it should be around RM1500 during introduction. I'll be glad if it debut at a price similar the Viewsonic. [/quote] thx u for the info. any idea when it gonna come out? [/quote] Frankly speaking, I'm not sure. The model should be releasing right now. Its just the matter of bringing it into our shores by the local distributors. So its up to them. The 22" could be the next sweet spot. |
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Jan 3 2007, 01:58 AM
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i'm looking for a 19" lcd too... what about samsung syncmaster 960BF?? is it worth the price?? coz i want an lcd that's great for gaming..
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Jan 3 2007, 09:37 AM
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QUOTE(irix @ Jan 3 2007, 01:58 AM) i'm looking for a 19" lcd too... what about samsung syncmaster 960BF?? is it worth the price?? coz i want an lcd that's great for gaming.. The Samsung Syncmaster 960BF is good LCD monitor. It has height and pivot adjustments, plus the 4ms (Grey to Grey) response is great for gaming. The only down point here is the 5:4 aspect ratio. More and more games are going over to the 16:10 widescreen ratio. So if you'll be playing the latest and greatest games, assuming that you'll be upgrading your graphic cards every now and then, a widescreen monitor would be of more value to you. Also of course, if you're into watching movies in front of your PC. This is not to say that 5:4 would be useless, every game would still support this aspect ratio so its just a matter of preferences for now. If you're doing productivity work, a widescreen would definitely increase your efficiency since you could put up two documents side by side or working with two software side by side without the need of minimizing. |
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Jan 3 2007, 10:48 AM
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weat about samsung 940bf?
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Jan 3 2007, 11:06 AM
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QUOTE(phunkydude @ Dec 31 2006, 09:13 PM) i think that a02 s-pva is from somewhere else... Bad luck for me I guess, if I am not mistaken, it was written on the box that it was made in China.i got mine at mid of dec. .. it's still sips a03 rt803 .. |
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Jan 3 2007, 02:12 PM
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QUOTE(phunkydude @ Dec 31 2006, 08:45 PM) guys..., how to lock set the lcd setting to aspect ratio... when gaming.. anyone` ?i mean everytime i gaming.. , i got to press the menu + , - ... set it ... again and again`... is there anyway to ... lock it to aspect ratio? QUOTE(irix @ Jan 3 2007, 01:58 AM) i'm looking for a 19" lcd too... what about samsung syncmaster 960BF?? is it worth the price?? coz i want an lcd that's great for gaming.. no, it's definitely not worth for it's price...a 19" TN panel for RM1.5k ? (boasting it's response time? & just by adding a pivot feature?) even a RM900 lcd... TN panel.. got 2ms GTG response time.. if you really want a 19 incher... then you might wanna consider the samsung 971p which costs around Rm1.3k ... which comes with S-PVA panel.. , nice design, pivot.. , glossy outlook and so on.. |
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Jan 3 2007, 03:34 PM
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By the way guys, where does all your 2007wfp Dell monitors made from? Coz mine is from china, and it is A02 spva panel. So if yours are made from other country then I might specify that for my replacement I would not like a monitor produce in china.
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Jan 3 2007, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE(phunkydude @ Jan 3 2007, 02:12 PM) anyone` ? Geesh, I never knew the 960BF cost RM1500. Thats too expensive if its really a TN panel. The specifications seems pretty normal too. Any idea why it is priced as such? That way, the 940BF could be better then. no, it's definitely not worth for it's price... a 19" TN panel for RM1.5k ? (boasting it's response time? & just by adding a pivot feature?) even a RM900 lcd... TN panel.. got 2ms GTG response time.. if you really want a 19 incher... then you might wanna consider the samsung 971p which costs around Rm1.3k ... which comes with S-PVA panel.. , nice design, pivot.. , glossy outlook and so on.. Anyway I know that even a RM900 LCD TN panel could give you a 2ms response time but usually they fall under the 6bit panel with/without dithering. That usually explains the fast response. I'm not sure if the 960 is a 8bit panel but its definitely overpriced if you're just interested in gaming and the usual PC experience. Anyhow, thanks for the heads up in the pricing. |
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Jan 3 2007, 05:13 PM
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i hav a doubt regarding the lcd Response Time(ms)
how to measure it??? is it the highest represent good or the lowest represent good ??? how to diff it |
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Jan 3 2007, 06:01 PM
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New! & Clueless!
Wanna get a new LCD screen. dun own any PC screen at e moment. Mac turn PC user. Total clueless... was hoping to get a (min)19 inch for less than 1k. widescreen or not widescreen. findin for sthing good to work with... *my life revolves only arnd e Comp* Q. Would getting a widescreen affect my PC games? as in... distort it ..just to fit it in... arigato gozaimas in advance :-) |
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Jan 3 2007, 06:20 PM
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any one know if dell going to release a ultrasharp version of E228WFP?
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Jan 3 2007, 09:00 PM
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QUOTE(ah_fui @ Jan 3 2007, 05:13 PM) i hav a doubt regarding the lcd Response Time(ms) Dear ah fui,how to measure it??? is it the highest represent good or the lowest represent good ??? how to diff it Well without adding much confusion to your doubt, lets just say the lower a LCD panel's response time, the better it'll be. So get the lowest LCD response time your money can buy. Unlike few years back, the common LCD response time is around 25ms and the 16ms panels were quite expensive. 25ms is considered ok for movie but for very fast gaming situations, ghosting still occurs. Right now, it is safe to say that any common LCD panel would have satisfactory LCD response time. I'll say you get any LCD panel within your means that are below 16ms, probably less than 8ms if possible. If you're following this forum, there are a few more categories to worry about. The type of panel, the panel color bit (6bit/8bit), etc. So its best to let the experts here explain, if you require any, |
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Jan 3 2007, 09:16 PM
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QUOTE(Shin_ @ Jan 3 2007, 06:01 PM) New! & Clueless! Hi there,Wanna get a new LCD screen. dun own any PC screen at e moment. Mac turn PC user. Total clueless... was hoping to get a (min)19 inch for less than 1k. widescreen or not widescreen. findin for sthing good to work with... *my life revolves only arnd e Comp* Q. Would getting a widescreen affect my PC games? as in... distort it ..just to fit it in... arigato gozaimas in advance :-) For a budget of around RM1000 and 19" LCD requirement, here are the choices: Samsung Syncmaster 932B, 940BF (Non-widescreen) Samsung Syncmaster 940BW (Widescreen) Viewsonic VA912BW (Non-widescreen) There are of course a lot more choices like Acer, Benq and LG available at the stores but I'm not familiar with them. I've seen and used the above mention panels before which I find quite good. You'll have to try them out to make a choice. Read back the threads about LCD because they mention some good explainations about the type of panel to choose and various other parameters. Playing PC games on a widescreen shouldn't pose much of problem provided the game supports the 16:10 aspect ratio resolutions. You might need to update some of your games to enable the resolutions. With older games, I guess you'll need to set your monitor to maintain the aspect ratio. Thats when you'll see the 5:4 ratio on your screen while the rest will be covered in black bars at the side. With PC gaming, you are not necessarily required to utilize the native resolution. You could choose a lower resolution that is not so taxing to your graphic adapters as long as you choose a resolution that maintains the aspect ratio - 5:4 for non-widescreen and 16:10 for widescreen. Of course, if you have a good graphic adapters by all means play at its full glory since LCD panels look the best in their native resolution. Your graphic card drivers should not have much of a problem supporting the native resolutions on desktop. Playing DVD movies should be fine while playing VCDs or movie medias that don't support widescreen you'll have to tweak your media software to maintain the aspect ratio and not fill up the screen. Some LCD have a setting to maintain aspect ratio which prevents it from resizing the media and fill up the whole screen. Hope this helps. This post has been edited by davidmak: Jan 3 2007, 09:17 PM |
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Jan 3 2007, 09:24 PM
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guys...
anyone here got inputs between dell entry level E207WFP vs. ultrasharp 2007WFP ??? i see the specs...the entry level like better... but ultrasharp version got more types of inputs... so actually...the difference is only the additional inputs? or i'm missing something here? the contrast ratio, brightness the same and in fact, entry level response time is way much better than ultrasharp...but entry level viewing angle is smaller... so actually, the ultrasharp worth getting or save the RM350 difference and just buy the entry level? i cannot find a place for me to compare side by side...based on specs on paper...what i understand is picture quality no difference but the ultrasharp more input types lor... so appreciate any inputs...thanks. |
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Jan 3 2007, 11:11 PM
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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Jan 3 2007, 09:24 PM) guys... it's the panel that differs them..``anyone here got inputs between dell entry level E207WFP vs. ultrasharp 2007WFP ??? i see the specs...the entry level like better... but ultrasharp version got more types of inputs... so actually...the difference is only the additional inputs? or i'm missing something here? the contrast ratio, brightness the same and in fact, entry level response time is way much better than ultrasharp...but entry level viewing angle is smaller... so actually, the ultrasharp worth getting or save the RM350 difference and just buy the entry level? i cannot find a place for me to compare side by side...based on specs on paper...what i understand is picture quality no difference but the ultrasharp more input types lor... so appreciate any inputs...thanks. e207 .. using TN panel... while 2007 uses s-ips panel..` you can google around for the characteristics of both panels.. |
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Jan 4 2007, 12:06 AM
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guys...
can u recommend any 17inch lcd ?? no need to be super nice de... |
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Jan 4 2007, 12:09 AM
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QUOTE(10071985 @ Jan 4 2007, 12:06 AM) guys... Get something that affordable.can u recommend any 17inch lcd ?? no need to be super nice de... Acer AL1717? As u said no need super nice, get the most affordable one. |
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Jan 4 2007, 12:10 AM
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the contrast... if 500:1 is consider good?
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Jan 4 2007, 12:58 AM
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any performance differences between normal screen and wide screen LCD??
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Jan 4 2007, 01:09 AM
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Jan 3 2007, 09:37 AM) The Samsung Syncmaster 960BF is good LCD monitor. It has height and pivot adjustments, plus the 4ms (Grey to Grey) response is great for gaming. The only down point here is the 5:4 aspect ratio. More and more games are going over to the 16:10 widescreen ratio. yeah, i've been considering either 19" or 20" widescreen lcd.. but my greatest concern is the response time.. most 20" widescreen has only 16ms or 12ms response time.. i'm afraid there'll be ghosting during gaming.. is there any 20" widescreen lcd which has 8ms or lower?So if you'll be playing the latest and greatest games, assuming that you'll be upgrading your graphic cards every now and then, a widescreen monitor would be of more value to you. Also of course, if you're into watching movies in front of your PC. This is not to say that 5:4 would be useless, every game would still support this aspect ratio so its just a matter of preferences for now. If you're doing productivity work, a widescreen would definitely increase your efficiency since you could put up two documents side by side or working with two software side by side without the need of minimizing. |
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Jan 4 2007, 01:15 AM
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QUOTE(irix @ Jan 4 2007, 01:09 AM) yeah, i've been considering either 19" or 20" widescreen lcd.. but my greatest concern is the response time.. most 20" widescreen has only 16ms or 12ms response time.. i'm afraid there'll be ghosting during gaming.. is there any 20" widescreen lcd which has 8ms or lower? Again, those panels having 16ms or lower response time are not distinguishable by human eyes unless yours is supernatural. My 2007WFP with 16ms response time doesn't give me any ghosting at all though. You should consider for the contrast ratio and colour reproduction instead. |
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Jan 4 2007, 01:36 AM
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QUOTE(blaxez @ Jan 4 2007, 01:15 AM) Again, those panels having 16ms or lower response time are not distinguishable by human eyes unless yours is supernatural. My 2007WFP with 16ms response time doesn't give me any ghosting at all though. You should consider for the contrast ratio and colour reproduction instead. i see.. so, any recommended models for 20" widescreen? and will it perform well with my 9600XT especially when playing games? |
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Jan 4 2007, 01:50 AM
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hi all, i'm planning to get a new 19" lcd... and samsung 971p is what's on my mind... can u guys suggest me any other nice lcd? thanx~!!
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Jan 4 2007, 07:26 AM
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I'm also planning to get a 19" LCD? Normal or widescreen? Which is better?
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Jan 4 2007, 11:41 AM
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omg!
Dell E207WFP selling online at RM 1,049!!!Is this cheap? I thought it was at RM1200 a month back, wasn't it? p.s. Offer ends 8/1/2007, I think. |
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Jan 4 2007, 11:43 AM
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i asked around and the viewsonic 2025 model has been replaced with the VG2030wm.
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Jan 4 2007, 12:15 PM
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Jan 3 2007, 09:16 PM) Hi there, Hi,For a budget of around RM1000 and 19" LCD requirement, here are the choices: Samsung Syncmaster 932B, 940BF (Non-widescreen) Samsung Syncmaster 940BW (Widescreen) Viewsonic VA912BW (Non-widescreen) There are of course a lot more choices like Acer, Benq and LG available at the stores but I'm not familiar with them. I've seen and used the above mention panels before which I find quite good. You'll have to try them out to make a choice. Read back the threads about LCD because they mention some good explainations about the type of panel to choose and various other parameters. Playing PC games on a widescreen shouldn't pose much of problem provided the game supports the 16:10 aspect ratio resolutions. You might need to update some of your games to enable the resolutions. With older games, I guess you'll need to set your monitor to maintain the aspect ratio. Thats when you'll see the 5:4 ratio on your screen while the rest will be covered in black bars at the side. With PC gaming, you are not necessarily required to utilize the native resolution. You could choose a lower resolution that is not so taxing to your graphic adapters as long as you choose a resolution that maintains the aspect ratio - 5:4 for non-widescreen and 16:10 for widescreen. Of course, if you have a good graphic adapters by all means play at its full glory since LCD panels look the best in their native resolution. Your graphic card drivers should not have much of a problem supporting the native resolutions on desktop. Playing DVD movies should be fine while playing VCDs or movie medias that don't support widescreen you'll have to tweak your media software to maintain the aspect ratio and not fill up the screen. Some LCD have a setting to maintain aspect ratio which prevents it from resizing the media and fill up the whole screen. Hope this helps. I'm planning to get the Samsung Syncmaster 940BW (Widescreen). I'm currently using dual screen monitor where my main monitor is a 17' BenQ LCD monitor and my other one is a CRT MONITOR which will be replaced with the widescreen. Are there any issue with dual monitor with one 17' and 19' widescreen monitor? My main usage are browsing, and once a while gaming. I'm using 6600GT GC. |
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Jan 4 2007, 01:39 PM
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Anyone had tried using WS LCD with old graphic card? Let say Geforce 3 with DVI input. Does it work with driver updates?
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Jan 4 2007, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jan 4 2007, 01:39 PM) Anyone had tried using WS LCD with old graphic card? Let say Geforce 3 with DVI input. Does it work with driver updates? Hi bro, I still using Dell 2007WFP with Geforce 2 440MX la...The problem for the old graphic card is cant adjust the higher resolution.... It can be display but will blur/loss in text. |
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Jan 4 2007, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE(winlose2582 @ Jan 4 2007, 02:06 PM) Hi bro, I still using Dell 2007WFP with Geforce 2 440MX la... So it can do ws resolution? What is your current and max resolution the card will go?The problem for the old graphic card is cant adjust the higher resolution.... It can be display but will blur/loss in text. |
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Jan 4 2007, 02:30 PM
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QUOTE(T0|\|`/ @ Jan 4 2007, 11:41 AM) omg! This entry level monitor was going for RM999 in the last promotion which ended yesterday. Dell E207WFP selling online at RM 1,049!!!Is this cheap? I thought it was at RM1200 a month back, wasn't it? p.s. Offer ends 8/1/2007, I think. |
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Jan 4 2007, 02:31 PM
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QUOTE(winlose2582 @ Jan 4 2007, 02:06 PM) Hi bro, I still using Dell 2007WFP with Geforce 2 440MX la... Dont think so as I had even try using a gf2 gts which is even more older and had no problem running 20 and 22inch wide screen lcd with their native resolution. Just dont expect to game with the card but normal pc work should be ok. Definitely you notice the color and image quality difference once you change back to a newer card using dvi cable as compare to the vga.The problem for the old graphic card is cant adjust the higher resolution.... It can be display but will blur/loss in text. |
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Jan 4 2007, 02:32 PM
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I think I'll go with the 24" (2407wfp) but I was wondering if anyone here is still having issues with the lcd? Does the latest firmware get rid of all the banding issues, etc. If not, would the benq 24" be a better buy? |
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Jan 4 2007, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE(sniperwolf @ Jan 4 2007, 02:31 PM) Dont think so as I had even try using a gf2 gts which is even more older and had no problem running 20 and 22inch wide screen lcd with their native resolution. Just dont expect to game with the card but normal pc work should be ok. Definitely you notice the color and image quality difference once you change back to a newer card using dvi cable as compare to the vga. That is nice to hear. If I wanna buy a 20 ws lcd, i dont have to worry much on changing new graphic card (my gf3 still have DVI). Now, im just worried how blurry it can be using old graphic with native 20inch resolution. |
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Jan 4 2007, 03:27 PM
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QUOTE(| e 3 h y 0 r | @ Jan 4 2007, 12:15 PM) Hi, Hi there,I'm planning to get the Samsung Syncmaster 940BW (Widescreen). I'm currently using dual screen monitor where my main monitor is a 17' BenQ LCD monitor and my other one is a CRT MONITOR which will be replaced with the widescreen. Are there any issue with dual monitor with one 17' and 19' widescreen monitor? My main usage are browsing, and once a while gaming. I'm using 6600GT GC. I think there shouldn't be much of a problem. The graphic drivers should be able to sort out the difference and compensate. Honestly speaking, I haven't try this setup before. If you plan to use the widescreen monitor as an extension in windows, this should not be much of a problem. Playing games on such a setup would be a little confusing as the two monitor have different aspect ratios. However mirroring should be fine. Again this is just a guess, you'll have to seek a second opinion on this one. Your 6600GT should be good enough to power both displays on windows provided it has 128MB of onboard RAM. Text should be blur free on both analog and DVI at the native resolutions. Playing games using both displays would be tricky though. |
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Jan 4 2007, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jan 4 2007, 02:52 PM) That is nice to hear. If I wanna buy a 20 ws lcd, i dont have to worry much on changing new graphic card (my gf3 still have DVI). Now, im just worried how blurry it can be using old graphic with native 20inch resolution. I guess if the RAMDAC is high enough, things should be fine right? The older MX were running on lower RAMDAC clock right. Plus the termination and filtering were of a lower order setup.Keep your geforce3, its still a good card for regular desktop, movies and occasional games. I still keep an old geforce 2mx 32MB onboard RAM, and I could still run a 17" LCD with 1280x1024 native resolution on windows which is value for money. |
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Jan 4 2007, 05:06 PM
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Jan 4 2007, 03:27 PM) Hi there, I just want to be sure it works perfectly with 1 widescreen and 1 not. I'm currently gaming with 1 LCD only, i don't need 2 for gaming nor am i using mirroring.I think there shouldn't be much of a problem. The graphic drivers should be able to sort out the difference and compensate. Honestly speaking, I haven't try this setup before. If you plan to use the widescreen monitor as an extension in windows, this should not be much of a problem. Playing games on such a setup would be a little confusing as the two monitor have different aspect ratios. However mirroring should be fine. Again this is just a guess, you'll have to seek a second opinion on this one. Your 6600GT should be good enough to power both displays on windows provided it has 128MB of onboard RAM. Text should be blur free on both analog and DVI at the native resolutions. Playing games using both displays would be tricky though. |
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Jan 4 2007, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jan 4 2007, 02:14 PM) So it can do ws resolution? What is your current and max resolution the card will go? The max resolution the card can go is 2048 x 1536...and my current resolution is 1360 x 768... If i go higher resolution, the display for icon...text...etc will poor... i dunno is it the gf card cant support o wat... but 1360 x 768 is just nice to me...dun like too small... |
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Jan 4 2007, 07:35 PM
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QUOTE(| e 3 h y 0 r | @ Jan 4 2007, 05:06 PM) I just want to be sure it works perfectly with 1 widescreen and 1 not. I'm currently gaming with 1 LCD only, i don't need 2 for gaming nor am i using mirroring. Then you're good to go. It would be good to have your widescreen as the new primary monitor and retire your 17" LCD to be the secondary monitor. Quite a lot of new games support the 16:10 aspect ratio so you should be fine. For older games, you could have the game run on your secondary monitor.Anyway its a matter of preferences. :-) |
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Jan 5 2007, 12:07 AM
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guys, what about 20" samsung syncmaster 205BW? found quite a number of good reviews and the price is just around rm1.1k.. how's the colour reproduction n everything?
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Jan 5 2007, 12:22 AM
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wanna to check with all master...
which one is better to use as monitor and also for movie/surf net/games.. Acer AL2216W (22" Widescreen) Response time: 5MS Contrast Ratio: 700:1 Resolution: 1680x1050 Brightness: 300 Input Signal: DVI + Analog. or LCD tv 26" wide screen 1) 26" LCD TV 2) HD ready (720p/1080i) 3) WXGA Resolution at 1366 x 768 4) 16:9 Aspect Ratio 5) High Definition Multimedia Interface 6) Dynamic Contrast 1600:1 7) 8ms response time 8) HDMI Digital interface (1 input) ignore the price ..(around rm850 different..) which one should i go for.. the lcd is mainly just for pc.. optional for ps2(or 3) |
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Jan 5 2007, 12:27 AM
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Jan 4 2007, 07:35 PM) Then you're good to go. It would be good to have your widescreen as the new primary monitor and retire your 17" LCD to be the secondary monitor. Quite a lot of new games support the 16:10 aspect ratio so you should be fine. For older games, you could have the game run on your secondary monitor. oh great, thanks !Anyway its a matter of preferences. :-) |
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Jan 5 2007, 01:06 AM
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QUOTE(darenohh @ Jan 5 2007, 12:22 AM) wanna to check with all master... I had considered to buy lcd tv b4, but finally give up due with reso onli 1366 x 768 for a big screen like 26" or 32"... then the icon will become bigger and even game screen.which one is better to use as monitor and also for movie/surf net/games.. Acer AL2216W (22" Widescreen) Response time: 5MS Contrast Ratio: 700:1 Resolution: 1680x1050 Brightness: 300 Input Signal: DVI + Analog. or LCD tv 26" wide screen 1) 26" LCD TV 2) HD ready (720p/1080i) 3) WXGA Resolution at 1366 x 768 4) 16:9 Aspect Ratio 5) High Definition Multimedia Interface 6) Dynamic Contrast 1600:1 7) 8ms response time 8) HDMI Digital interface (1 input) ignore the price ..(around rm850 different..) which one should i go for.. the lcd is mainly just for pc.. optional for ps2(or 3) If u can stand with this resolution and sit infront of 26" or 32" screen to online. then shouldnt be a problem for u. Somemore, LCD TV had a better contrast ratio....like samsung LCD TV with 3000:1 and 5000:1....Nice!~ |
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Jan 5 2007, 03:27 AM
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I plan to get a 19" LCD monitor, but don't know want to get which one, my budget is below 1k.
Samsung 940BF Spec or Viewsonic VX922 Spec The bad for 940BF is design simple and the bad for VX922 is non adjustable height. Hope u guys can help me make the choice or u guy got other good recommend lcd monitor. The pc i use to gaming and watch movie, so i need the fast respond monitor. Thank!!! |
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Jan 5 2007, 07:36 AM
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crazybear.. IMHO.. i will go for samsung coz the quality is really good...
i am currently using the 19" samsung 960BF... its really good.. clear.... and the color is just rich... using it with my 256MB Geforce 6600 turbo to play games and the display is just superb for gaming... compare to other brands.. i think i will go for samsung as a first choice =) |
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Jan 5 2007, 09:09 AM
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QUOTE(rhys86 @ Jan 5 2007, 07:36 AM) crazybear.. IMHO.. i will go for samsung coz the quality is really good... I second your recommendation. I'm currently using a 22" Viewsonic and thats also because Samsung hasn't released a 22" model yet. I would have purchased a Samsung anytime over Viewsonic. Then again, my old 17" Viewsonic is still running strong and bright as ever, so Viewsonic has its own strong points. Too bad it isn't that well received in the local community.i am currently using the 19" samsung 960BF... its really good.. clear.... and the color is just rich... using it with my 256MB Geforce 6600 turbo to play games and the display is just superb for gaming... compare to other brands.. i think i will go for samsung as a first choice =) This post has been edited by davidmak: Jan 5 2007, 09:12 AM |
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Jan 5 2007, 10:06 AM
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Jan 4 2007, 02:52 PM) That is nice to hear. If I wanna buy a 20 ws lcd, i dont have to worry much on changing new graphic card (my gf3 still have DVI). Now, im just worried how blurry it can be using old graphic with native 20inch resolution. Since you can run it on dvi, then it shouldn't faced much problem honestly. I had run those 20 incher with radeon 7000 on dvi and its honest good enough for desktop job. Just set window font type to clear type if you find text is hard to read. Even on old gf2 gts 32mb with vga, font is still readable, just that you can notice image edges wont be as sharp and nice as compare to the one which hook up on card with dvi. |
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Jan 5 2007, 10:52 AM
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QUOTE(winlose2582 @ Jan 5 2007, 01:06 AM) I had considered to buy lcd tv b4, but finally give up due with reso onli 1366 x 768 for a big screen like 26" or 32"... then the icon will become bigger and even game screen. I also agree on your recommendation. If you plan to use your panel mainly on computer games and on PC desktop environments, its better to get a proper LCD panel rather than a LCD TV panel due to a higher native resolution. Then again it all depends on preferences and what you do with the panel. If you plan to use it mainly as a media display, watching movies, console gaming and a little bit of surfing while sitting on a couch far away, then LCD TV seems not that bad an idea after all. If you decide to surf internet/reading text at a very short distance from the panel, usual a monitor does the job. A LCD TV would not be an optimize device unless you're viewing from a far. The brightness would kill your eyes.If u can stand with this resolution and sit infront of 26" or 32" screen to online. then shouldnt be a problem for u. Somemore, LCD TV had a better contrast ratio....like samsung LCD TV with 3000:1 and 5000:1....Nice!~ Do take note that an LCD TV has more connectivity options, including a simple internal scaler and also tuner functions. A monitor LCD usually only have VGA and DVI video connections unless you go for a higher end LCD monitor like Dell that has connectivity for component, S-video as well as an internal scaler. Also, there are two type of contrast ratio measurement, dynamic and static. Most LCD monitor uses the static contrast ratio so the numbers usually lower than dynamic. If I'm not mistaken LG rate its contrast ratio differently so you see higher than usual numbers which could be a little misleading to consumers. I'm not sure if LCD TV uses dynamic contrast ratio either so you got to check. Then again, it all depends what you're doing and what are your expectations. |
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Jan 5 2007, 12:46 PM
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Thank for rhys86 and davidmak, my fren also ask me go for samsung. Like that i will go for samsung.
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Jan 5 2007, 05:12 PM
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i was thinking of buying new 19" LCD..any recommendation between
-19" ACER AL1916WAS; RSP 8MS; C.R 600:1 -19" SAMSUNG 940BW; RSP 4MS; C.R 500:1 -19" LG 1952S; RSP 8MS; C.R 1600:1 -19" VIEWSONIC VX922; RSP 2MS; 650:1 what is contrast ratio?the highest the better? |
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Jan 5 2007, 09:41 PM
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any user here who have actually used a dell and samsung LCD monitor?
i need to know the comparison between the two when playing games/watch DVD... sometimes spec on paper doesn't really mean anything... |
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Jan 5 2007, 09:45 PM
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Jan 4 2007, 07:35 PM) Then you're good to go. It would be good to have your widescreen as the new primary monitor and retire your 17" LCD to be the secondary monitor. Quite a lot of new games support the 16:10 aspect ratio so you should be fine. For older games, you could have the game run on your secondary monitor. Btw, what is the pro and cons between a Widescreen and a normal LCD???Anyway its a matter of preferences. :-) |
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Jan 5 2007, 09:51 PM
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QUOTE(| e 3 h y 0 r | @ Jan 5 2007, 09:45 PM) Btw, what is the pro and cons between a Widescreen and a normal LCD??? it's totally up to u.1. watching a widescreen movie (dvd-video) on a normal display will give u black bars at the top and bottom. but with widescreen, pictures fit perfectly. 2. open 2 my computers or programs and drag and drop your files easily. 3. for windows vista, leave your sidebar there without interfering much of your real desktop space. |
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Jan 5 2007, 09:57 PM
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QUOTE(afosz @ Jan 5 2007, 05:12 PM) i was thinking of buying new 19" LCD..any recommendation between Contrast ratio is actually the ratio of luminosity of the brightest and the darkest colour a monitor is able to produce. It can be simply explained as how white is white and how black is black as well as other colours. The higher the the contrast ratio, the bigger the difference between them.-19" ACER AL1916WAS; RSP 8MS; C.R 600:1 -19" SAMSUNG 940BW; RSP 4MS; C.R 500:1 -19" LG 1952S; RSP 8MS; C.R 1600:1 -19" VIEWSONIC VX922; RSP 2MS; 650:1 what is contrast ratio?the highest the better? When you watch a movie, sometimes you could see the blacks aren't as black but rather greyish and the white isn't that white but rather beige. That is the result of a lower contrast ratio. A good monitor with high enough contrast ratio should display black as in pure black including the different shades of black and also white and its shade accurately. So YES, get a monitor with the highest contrast ratio your money can buy. Take note that there are two types of measuring contrast ratio that is denoted as dynamic or static. Monitor contrast ratios are usually denoted as static contrast ratio. If I'm not mistaken, LG denotes its contrast ratio as dynamic. That is why its contrast ratio is usually higher than the competitors. This could be a little misleading. In my opinion, you could put Samsung as a reference so that you could make comparisons better and accurately. You should also take other parameters into consideration when choosing a LCD like panel type, colour reproductions, response time, etc. |
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Jan 5 2007, 09:58 PM
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jan 5 2007, 09:51 PM) it's totally up to u. 1 & 3, i don't really watch widescreen movies, probably not used to it and i dont plan to have windows vista any soon.1. watching a widescreen movie (dvd-video) on a normal display will give u black bars at the top and bottom. but with widescreen, pictures fit perfectly. 2. open 2 my computers or programs and drag and drop your files easily. 3. for windows vista, leave your sidebar there without interfering much of your real desktop space. Any other pros??? |
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Jan 5 2007, 11:39 PM
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coz widescreen is cool...
 open ms word and ie for example and then make tile windows vertically..it still fits Wide Screen thread This post has been edited by afosz: Jan 5 2007, 11:40 PM |
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Jan 6 2007, 12:17 AM
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QUOTE(davidmak @ Jan 5 2007, 09:57 PM) Contrast ratio is actually the ratio of luminosity of the brightest and the darkest colour a monitor is able to produce. It can be simply explained as how white is white and how black is black as well as other colours. The higher the the contrast ratio, the bigger the difference between them. Samsung is similarly guilty with it's DNie engine. Anyway, expecting average LCD's to perform more than 1000:1 is very demanding indeed. Even if the boast the paper specs no one will know. So it's a mistake to judge LCD's on contrast, better go see it for urself. To tell u the truth, my 940BW has the worst contrast among all my LCDs which coincidentally matches the paper spec sheet When you watch a movie, sometimes you could see the blacks aren't as black but rather greyish and the white isn't that white but rather beige. That is the result of a lower contrast ratio. A good monitor with high enough contrast ratio should display black as in pure black including the different shades of black and also white and its shade accurately. So YES, get a monitor with the highest contrast ratio your money can buy. Take note that there are two types of measuring contrast ratio that is denoted as dynamic or static. Monitor contrast ratios are usually denoted as static contrast ratio. If I'm not mistaken, LG denotes its contrast ratio as dynamic. That is why its contrast ratio is usually higher than the competitors. This could be a little misleading. In my opinion, you could put Samsung as a reference so that you could make comparisons better and accurately. You should also take other parameters into consideration when choosing a LCD like panel type, colour reproductions, response time, etc.  This post has been edited by redken: Jan 6 2007, 12:19 AM |
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Jan 6 2007, 12:36 AM
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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Jan 5 2007, 09:41 PM) any user here who have actually used a dell and samsung LCD monitor? It will highly depends on the model you are comparing to but not brand. Different model come with different specs and panel.i need to know the comparison between the two when playing games/watch DVD... sometimes spec on paper doesn't really mean anything... QUOTE(| e 3 h y 0 r |) Btw, what is the pro and cons between a Widescreen and a normal LCD??? Pros 1. You will had better viewing space while watching dvd movies 2. You can open 2 browser side by side and still wont feel that its too small 3. You can enjoying a wider viewing angle while playing driving simulation and games which support wide screen resolution 4. You get alot more desktop space Cons 1. You will hate it if you dont like it 2. Make all your chars game looks fat if the games doesnt support wide screen resolution 3. No matter you like it or not, most to all large lcd monitors are build base on wide screen ratio/ format |
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Jan 6 2007, 12:40 AM
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QUOTE(sniperwolf @ Jan 6 2007, 12:36 AM) It will highly depends on the model you are comparing to but not brand. Different model come with different specs and panel. Thanks bro QUOTE(| e 3 h y 0 r |) Btw, what is the pro and cons between a Widescreen and a normal LCD??? Pros 1. You will had better viewing space while watching dvd movies 2. You can open 2 browser side by side and still wont feel that its too small 3. You can enjoying a wider viewing angle while playing driving simulation and games which support wide screen resolution 4. You get alot more desktop space Cons 1. You will hate it if you dont like it 2. Make all your chars game looks fat if the games doesnt support wide screen resolution 3. No matter you like it or not, most to all large lcd monitors are build base on wide screen ratio/ format , besides forcing myself to like it, i think there aren't any bad Cons i could see. Unless someone here could voice it out. |
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Jan 6 2007, 12:41 AM
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QUOTE(afosz @ Jan 5 2007, 11:39 PM) coz widescreen is cool... Thanks!! Informative thread @@@ open ms word and ie for example and then make tile windows vertically..it still fits Wide Screen thread |
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Jan 6 2007, 12:45 AM
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QUOTE(redken @ Jan 6 2007, 12:17 AM) Samsung is similarly guilty with it's DNie engine. Anyway, expecting average LCD's to perform more than 1000:1 is very demanding indeed. Even if the boast the paper specs no one will know. So it's a mistake to judge LCD's on contrast, better go see it for urself. To tell u the truth, my 940BW has the worst contrast among all my LCDs which coincidentally matches the paper spec sheet 940bw that worst arr?my bro using it..i see quite ok as i dont know much about lcd specs..any idea current price for viewsonic vx2025wm?it looks nice |
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Jan 6 2007, 12:48 AM
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QUOTE(redken @ Jan 6 2007, 12:17 AM) Samsung is similarly guilty with it's DNie engine. Anyway, expecting average LCD's to perform more than 1000:1 is very demanding indeed. Even if the boast the paper specs no one will know. So it's a mistake to judge LCD's on contrast, better go see it for urself. To tell u the truth, my 940BW has the worst contrast among all my LCDs which coincidentally matches the paper spec sheet wahh dun scare me, 940BW that bad meh ??? i was planning to get it .. |
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Jan 6 2007, 01:01 AM
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QUOTE(| e 3 h y 0 r | @ Jan 6 2007, 12:40 AM) Thanks bro i wonder o2jam support widescreen anot since you like it so much.. , besides forcing myself to like it, i think there aren't any bad Cons i could see. Unless someone here could voice it out.nowadays those new games mostly support widescreen already.. normal LCD outdated soon.. it's time to say 'bubye'.. since the LCD prices will continue dropping as well.. |
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Jan 6 2007, 01:04 AM
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QUOTE(CherylDarryl @ Jan 6 2007, 01:01 AM) i wonder o2jam support widescreen anot since you like it so much.. define 'normal LCD' ......nowadays those new games mostly support widescreen already.. normal LCD outdated soon.. it's time to say 'bubye'.. since the LCD prices will continue dropping as well.. |
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Jan 6 2007, 02:00 AM
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I think he meant CRT, since he did mention the LCD price will be dropping
p/s: Its been a week since Ive change from CRT to LCD.. and I really loves my 971P so sexy and elegant This post has been edited by XCremator: Jan 6 2007, 02:01 AM |
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Jan 6 2007, 09:55 AM
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Jan 6 2007, 10:30 AM
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QUOTE(redken @ Jan 6 2007, 12:17 AM) Samsung is similarly guilty with it's DNie engine. Anyway, expecting average LCD's to perform more than 1000:1 is very demanding indeed. Even if the boast the paper specs no one will know. So it's a mistake to judge LCD's on contrast, better go see it for urself. To tell u the truth, my 940BW has the worst contrast among all my LCDs which coincidentally matches the paper spec sheet Totally agreed. The DNie engine is something like a colour reproduction optimizer which tries to reproduce more natural colours and boost contrast ratio. Sadly this usually adds unwanted components to the reproduction itself like loss of detail and unnatural colours. For a LCD to have a real high contrast ratio, the brightness itself have to be of sufficient number too, so expecting a panel with 300cdm2 to perform more than 1500:1 sounds too good to be true.I have an old Viewsonic VE710b-2 which have a declared brightness of 300cdm2 but in actual fact it is much brighter compared to other panels to a point of uncomfortable to the eyes. The brightness levels in their respective menu were pushed all the way to maximum but the Viewsonic seems much brighter and the contrast were better. Of course, on regular usage the brightness have to be tuned down to a comfortable level. So it is best to go see for yourself and make comparisons of your own. Some shops might not have all the models on display so shop around till you see all the models in your consideration. |
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guys i'm thinking of getting LG L194WT lcd monitor for 360 & pc gaming. any comments?
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QUOTE(skidd @ Jan 6 2007, 10:47 AM) guys i'm thinking of getting LG L194WT lcd monitor for 360 & pc gaming. any comments? i just bought a 194WT...the picture sharpness is great so u dont need to set the contrast and brightness to very high....i set contrast to 50 and brightness to 40...about games and movie...great too.... This post has been edited by rockdaman: Jan 6 2007, 04:50 PM |
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Jan 6 2007, 05:03 PM
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but 19" wide lcd is so short...
its even shorter than normal 17" lcd if i were to buy wide lcd, i will minimum start from 20" and above, but it is so expensive... |
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Jan 6 2007, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE(skidd @ Jan 6 2007, 10:47 AM) guys i'm thinking of getting LG L194WT lcd monitor for 360 & pc gaming. any comments? QUOTE(rockdaman @ Jan 6 2007, 04:41 PM) i just bought a 194WT...the picture sharpness is great so u dont need to set the contrast and brightness to very high....i set contrast to 50 and brightness to 40...about games and movie...great too.... yeah... L194WT rox! if dont like its contrast, u can set it at level u want & can change it back to full contrast using movie/text mode (they called it f engine) watching movie bring u very great experience (for me la... since i dont have any LCD TV, just compare it with samsung model & my old viewsonic VX715[normal-not wide] )i set brightness at 20, contrast at 4 since the screen very bright & using movie mode when watching movie/animeThis post has been edited by syazone: Jan 6 2007, 05:11 PM |
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Jan 7 2007, 12:12 PM
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QUOTE(afosz @ Jan 6 2007, 12:45 AM) 940bw that worst arr?my bro using it..i see quite ok as i dont know much about lcd specs..any idea current price for viewsonic vx2025wm?it looks nice U wont notice it unless u have a few LCDs around to compare them. Eventhough it's not a very good LCD, but i dun think it's a very bad purchase. Just the right thing for cheap desktop computing.QUOTE(| e 3 h y 0 r | @ Jan 6 2007, 12:48 AM) wahh dun scare me, 940BW that bad meh ??? i was planning to get it .. If u are the one very picky about quality, i suggest u look elsewhere. Perhaps increase ur budget. I can't recommend any models though as i have cease using my monitors. QUOTE(davidmak @ Jan 6 2007, 10:30 AM) Totally agreed. The DNie engine is something like a colour reproduction optimizer which tries to reproduce more natural colours and boost contrast ratio. Sadly this usually adds unwanted components to the reproduction itself like loss of detail and unnatural colours. For a LCD to have a real high contrast ratio, the brightness itself have to be of sufficient number too, so expecting a panel with 300cdm2 to perform more than 1500:1 sounds too good to be true. Those 'engines' are made to SELL the sets in showroom condition. Even though their SPVA panels are very good, but it's not the obvious reason the buyer would want. Enter the DNie. Obviously the brightest and most saturared color ones will catch the viewer's attention. That is the single reason y the DNIe is so heavenly spec'd.I have an old Viewsonic VE710b-2 which have a declared brightness of 300cdm2 but in actual fact it is much brighter compared to other panels to a point of uncomfortable to the eyes. The brightness levels in their respective menu were pushed all the way to maximum but the Viewsonic seems much brighter and the contrast were better. Of course, on regular usage the brightness have to be tuned down to a comfortable level. So it is best to go see for yourself and make comparisons of your own. Some shops might not have all the models on display so shop around till you see all the models in your consideration. |
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Jan 7 2007, 03:42 PM
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QUOTE(redken @ Jan 7 2007, 12:12 PM) U wont notice it unless u have a few LCDs around to compare them. Eventhough it's not a very good LCD, but i dun think it's a very bad purchase. Just the right thing for cheap desktop computing. Yes just like CRT TVs of those days. They put all them in a long row and each of them in different brightness and contrasts. Even the TVs of the same range but different sizes were showing different 'picture'. If u are the one very picky about quality, i suggest u look elsewhere. Perhaps increase ur budget. I can't recommend any models though as i have cease using my monitors. Those 'engines' are made to SELL the sets in showroom condition. Even though their SPVA panels are very good, but it's not the obvious reason the buyer would want. Enter the DNie. Obviously the brightest and most saturared color ones will catch the viewer's attention. That is the single reason y the DNIe is so heavenly spec'd. But anyway the 940BW is a good entry level widescreen LCD. Well, its good enough for the price you're paying for. I was considering solely on this panel until I walk around and saw other panels. Then I decided to do some reading on the internet. 19" widescreens were the sweet spot in terms of value for the last year. Then again, the more you look at it, you'll feel that a 19" widescreen is a little on the short side, in other words a little small. So I'm beginning to feel that the 20" would come down in price to replace 19" on this spot. Well, its only 1" difference but the native resolution will be higher. 21" might come but its kinda rare so people would usually go straight to 22" since there are more panels being introduced, if they can't afford a 24". |
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Em... guys, I need some advice here. Just got my replacement Dell 2007wfp. It is a S-IPS panel and Rev A03, but the problem is it have 2 dead pixel in the middle of the screen and 1 dead pixel on the bottom corner.
So I wonder shall I keep my old one which is a S-PVA panel with Rev A02? Coz the old one only have 1 dead pixel which is on the upper corner. Coz it is not so obvious in the corner as compare to the new one which is right in the middle. It would be great if you all can help me figure out which one to pick, I am kinda bad luck, no matter which 1 I choose, in the end it will gonna end up with something wrong, so I dont dare and dont know which one to choose. Thanks for the help. This post has been edited by lexasp: Jan 8 2007, 09:58 AM |
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Jan 8 2007, 10:52 AM
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y dun u change both
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Jan 8 2007, 11:02 AM
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QUOTE(nycs82 @ Jan 8 2007, 10:52 AM) y dun u change both Change again would be great, but I am afraid they might give me a refrubish unit if I change again, besides dell policy is 5-6 dead pixel, but I only notice 3 or so. I guess they wouldn't change for me even though I request. |
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Jan 8 2007, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE(lexasp @ Jan 8 2007, 11:02 AM) Change again would be great, but I am afraid they might give me a refrubish unit if I change again, besides dell policy is 5-6 dead pixel, but I only notice 3 or so. I guess they wouldn't change for me even though I request. erm just replace it again.....they did it for me |
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Jan 8 2007, 01:51 PM
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wat exactly did u tell them?
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Jan 8 2007, 04:00 PM
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guys, just received my 2407WFP this afternoon. Can i know how to check the revision A02 or A03 ? althought the lady told me it's A03...
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Jan 8 2007, 04:20 PM
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Hi ksl279, how much u got it?
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Jan 8 2007, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE(s[H]sIkuA @ Jan 8 2007, 04:20 PM) Hi ksl279, how much u got it? total RM2,417 w upgrade to 5yr waranty. |
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Jan 8 2007, 04:28 PM
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wah, why I see now the dell website all price so high, your model now is priced at rm2889 ><, dell always change their price ?
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Jan 8 2007, 04:31 PM
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QUOTE(s[H) sIkuA,Jan 8 2007, 04:28 PM]wah, why I see now the dell website all price so high, your model now is priced at rm2889 ><, dell always change their price ? ya, i buy during DELL promotion , i guess only promotion for few days only. Promotion price is RM2,349 with standard 3yr waranty, top-up RM68 extend to 5yr... This post has been edited by ksl279: Jan 8 2007, 04:32 PM |
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Jan 8 2007, 08:03 PM
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24' wide screen til it reach RM1200, only then i ll buy
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Jan 8 2007, 08:59 PM
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Dear all,
For those of you who are interested to see an alternative choice on panels in the 22" widescreen range, here's a review on the Samsung Syncmaster 225BW. Please point your browsers to the link below: http://www.thetechlounge.com/article/326/S...Widescreen+LCD/ |
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Jan 8 2007, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE(radiohead @ Jan 8 2007, 08:03 PM) 24' wide screen til it reach RM1200, only then i ll buy For the price of RM1200 maybe, currently there are only 22" panels. I think the 2" difference should make minimal difference unless you're talking about the jump in native resolution and pixel pitch. Give it another year, who knows it could very well come true. Then again, 27" will be replacing the spot on 24" for those who can't afford a 30" - just like how some of us couldn't afford a 24" then go for a 22".Cheers! |
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need help.
normally my DELL 2007WFP will display the POST screen and all the other stuff, but after a recent reboot it doesn't show anymore. how do i get this screen back? it happened before but i can't remember how i solved it. n00bie to widescreen......... anyway, it just doesn't show on the dell. i can redirect the DVI output to my Samsung 151S (DVI > VGA) and it shows fine. Attached thumbnail(s) 
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Jan 9 2007, 10:01 AM
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try reinstalling your dell monitor driver or GC driver ... possible?
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Jan 9 2007, 10:06 AM
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Damn, according to the Dell's care line assistant, I cannot return the new replacement unit to them. But the problem is that the new replacement unit is worst that the one that I wanted to replace. This is really not good. Mayb I will just refund the whole damn thing and buy some other LCD brand. BTW I am using a 2007wfp.
Any recommendation? 1) Budget is around RM1.5k, 2) Must be a wide screen, 3) great viewing angle, 4) multi input port (DVI and VGA is a must), 5) is bettter or on par with 2007wfp 6) fantastic, nice, and retro design. 7) Used primary for gaming and watching movie - so should be a fast response time lcd with no ghosting effect when playing FPS game. 8) (please add in anything relevant). thanks This post has been edited by lexasp: Jan 9 2007, 10:07 AM |
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Jan 9 2007, 10:17 AM
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y not top up for the 24"
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Jan 9 2007, 10:29 AM
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QUOTE(nycs82 @ Jan 9 2007, 10:17 AM) y not top up for the 24" em... coz not really confifent with Dell's product.Besides my table is not big enuf for a 24 inch |
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Jan 9 2007, 12:09 PM
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QUOTE(lexasp @ Jan 9 2007, 10:06 AM) Damn, according to the Dell's care line assistant, I cannot return the new replacement unit to them. But the problem is that the new replacement unit is worst that the one that I wanted to replace. This is really not good. Mayb I will just refund the whole damn thing and buy some other LCD brand. BTW I am using a 2007wfp. i tot they suppose replace the unit ? if they dun, then ask for FULL refund loh... sure they will replace one... Any recommendation? 1) Budget is around RM1.5k, 2) Must be a wide screen, 3) great viewing angle, 4) multi input port (DVI and VGA is a must), 5) is bettter or on par with 2007wfp 6) fantastic, nice, and retro design. 7) Used primary for gaming and watching movie - so should be a fast response time lcd with no ghosting effect when playing FPS game. 8) (please add in anything relevant). thanks |
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Jan 9 2007, 03:35 PM
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if i wanna buy a lcd for gaming got what brand to intruduce?
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Jan 9 2007, 03:47 PM
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QUOTE(ksl279 @ Jan 9 2007, 12:09 PM) i tot they suppose replace the unit ? if they dun, then ask for FULL refund loh... sure they will replace one... yah, that's what I told the care line assistant, if they dont replace I will refund and she say she will talk to her manager. But full refund also minus RM80 shipping fees, so not really a total refund |
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Jan 9 2007, 03:52 PM
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QUOTE(lexasp @ Jan 9 2007, 03:47 PM) But full refund also minus RM80 shipping fees, so not really a total refund Petrol now is expensive u know? At least Dell gives you a refund option, if you go to buy it in a shop, they'll surely kick you out |
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Jan 9 2007, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE(lexasp @ Jan 9 2007, 03:47 PM) yah, that's what I told the care line assistant, if they dont replace I will refund and she say she will talk to her manager. hmmm the assistant said he'll talk to the manager as well when i requested for my 2nd replacement..and he call me back after 10 minutes...But full refund also minus RM80 shipping fees, so not really a total refund mine was harder coz i asked for a02 manufactured b4 june lol and they did send to me so all i can say is good luck !! |
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Jan 9 2007, 05:28 PM
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if budget <RM1500, which brand widescreen LCD recommended? mostly using for design and works, so colors is very important to me.....
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Jan 9 2007, 06:47 PM
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QUOTE(nycs82 @ Jan 9 2007, 10:01 AM) try reinstalling your dell monitor driver or GC driver ... possible? nothing to do with dell monitor driver / gc driver. |
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Jan 9 2007, 08:56 PM
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hey guys im new here nice 2 meet yall
just wondering i thought while having 2 moninters i could drag my mouse cursor to the other moninter while palying dota for a fast reply in msn but the problem is when i bought this moninter i could drag it in desktop mode but when i on my warcraft i couldnt drag my mouse cursor to the other moninter is it possible or any idea how i could drag it? thanks alot! would appreciate it !! |
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Jan 10 2007, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE(steven11 @ Jan 9 2007, 05:28 PM) if budget <RM1500, which brand widescreen LCD recommended? mostly using for design and works, so colors is very important to me..... Maybe this link might help you out to choose the LCD suitable for you....http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/383529 |
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Jan 10 2007, 10:42 AM
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QUOTE(marky @ Jan 9 2007, 04:29 PM) hmmm the assistant said he'll talk to the manager as well when i requested for my 2nd replacement..and he call me back after 10 minutes... Guess I am not so lucky, coz the care line assistant never call me back and worst when I email the monitor serial no and picture to her, her auto respond email says that she will be on leave today and will only return tomorrow. sigh....mine was harder coz i asked for a02 manufactured b4 june lol and they did send to me so all i can say is good luck !! Why this shit is happening to me leh? I am a good soul, never did anything bad to anyone and yet this happen to me.  This post has been edited by lexasp: Jan 10 2007, 10:44 AM |
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Jan 10 2007, 11:20 AM
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QUOTE(steven11 @ Jan 9 2007, 05:28 PM) if budget <RM1500, which brand widescreen LCD recommended? mostly using for design and works, so colors is very important to me..... i guess dell 2007wfp is what you're looking for.....QUOTE(lexasp @ Jan 10 2007, 10:42 AM) Guess I am not so lucky, coz the care line assistant never call me back and worst when I email the monitor serial no and picture to her, her auto respond email says that she will be on leave today and will only return tomorrow. sigh.... i guess...good guys finish last is true hahahaWhy this shit is happening to me leh? I am a good soul, never did anything bad to anyone and yet this happen to me. |
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Jan 10 2007, 11:27 AM
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QUOTE(lexasp @ Jan 10 2007, 10:42 AM) Guess I am not so lucky, coz the care line assistant never call me back and worst when I email the monitor serial no and picture to her, her auto respond email says that she will be on leave today and will only return tomorrow. sigh.... So the moral of the story is? .... Why this shit is happening to me leh? I am a good soul, never did anything bad to anyone and yet this happen to me. It pays to be bad B Good den have to pay This post has been edited by nycs82: Jan 10 2007, 11:28 AM |
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QUOTE(marky @ Jan 10 2007, 11:20 AM) i guess dell 2007wfp is what you're looking for..... i guess...good guys finish last is true hahaha QUOTE(nycs82 @ Jan 10 2007, 11:27 AM) So the moral of the story is? .... haha so time to turn to the dark side? It pays to be bad This post has been edited by lexasp: Jan 10 2007, 11:28 AM |
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Jan 10 2007, 12:50 PM
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2007WFP is selling cheaper than E207WFP on Dell's website.
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huh.. finally i've been able to get myself an LCD monitor..
see my sig, it's a ViewSonic VA703b.. just got it 4 days ago.. been using Likom 15" CRT for the past 4 years.. |
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can the LCD sifu around here...help me wif my choice...
Dell 2007wfp Benq f202w Samsung 205bw which 1 of this is better.....my usage is movie and games..... btw wat panel is benq and samsung using?? and r all this lcd 8bit panel..?? |
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is LG L1752 17" LCD good? planning to buy it
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me is a noob of pc.me thinking to buy a lcd wide screen for gaming,got any brand lcd intruduce?i heard my fren say 940BW.can anyone teach me which 1 nice?budget RM800-900
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boss...
Would like to get some opinion from you all, I'm thinking of getting new LCD Monitor for my PC, What brand is nice? 1. Samsung 19 940BW w/s 2. Samsung 19 940BF 3. LG 194W w/s 4. philips 190G6FB aiya banyak pening laa....minggu depan mahu beli LCD... help me... |
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i would suggest for 940bw but some say that it is quite bad compared to other LCDs..i dont know how to compare since i'm very n00b in LCDs..only look by their design and price
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Jan 11 2007, 11:55 AM
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QUOTE(afosz @ Jan 11 2007, 10:35 AM) i would suggest for 940bw but some say that it is quite bad compared to other LCDs..i dont know how to compare since i'm very n00b in LCDs..only look by their design and price 940BW quite bad dari segi apa...?i want to know about...1. Samsung 19 940BW w/s 2. Samsung 19 940BF 3. LG 194W w/s 4. philips 190G6FB aiya banyak pening laa....minggu depan mahu beli LCD... help me... |
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Does the LG and the Philips use the same panel?
Is the difference between the 19" and 20" justify the gap in their price? Need some info before proceeding with a new LCD. |
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Jan 11 2007, 04:00 PM
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22 posts Joined: Jul 2006
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QUOTE(]{raGeN @ Jan 11 2007, 03:48 PM) Does the LG and the Philips use the same panel? but any body have or using... what u prefer ad WHYIs the difference between the 19" and 20" justify the gap in their price? Need some info before proceeding with a new LCD. 1. Samsung 19 940BW w/s 2. Samsung 19 940BF 3. LG 194W w/s 4. philips 190G6FB aiya banyak pening laa....minggu depan mahu beli LCD... help me... |
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Jan 12 2007, 01:05 AM
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237 posts Joined: Jan 2003
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QUOTE(viking_ns @ Jan 11 2007, 04:00 PM) but any body have or using... what u prefer ad WHY get a 20" WS if possible,because it can run higher res,but it will also be more gpu intensive 1. Samsung 19 940BW w/s 2. Samsung 19 940BF 3. LG 194W w/s 4. philips 190G6FB aiya banyak pening laa....minggu depan mahu beli LCD... help me... i think u better go check out at lowyat b4 u purchase lcds,some ppl prefer WS more and some hate it. and from the above 4,i would prefer samsung 940BW than the rest, but if can just wait for the LG L204 to launch in m'sia. i think that's a pretty good WS for it's price. also check out samsung 205BW,i remember PC Zone selling them for rm1060 only,or viewsonic vx2025/vx2035 for better view angle. it's better for you to check it out with your own eye rather than hear what we say,everyone have different opinion for monitor cheers! |
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Jan 12 2007, 01:36 PM
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17 posts Joined: Jan 2003
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is it possible to get the Gateway FPD2485W 24" in Malaysia?? its as cheap as dell's 2407.. plus its got no issues with the component input
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Jan 12 2007, 06:51 PM
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2,352 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Pixelgasm
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QUOTE(viking_ns @ Jan 11 2007, 11:55 AM) 940BW quite bad dari segi apa...?i want to know about... 1st of all, no height adjustment, all LCD's that dun have this feature isnt good to ur backbone ergonomics. Unless of course, ur table itself is height adjustable akin to IKEA's design.1. Samsung 19 940BW w/s 2. Samsung 19 940BF 3. LG 194W w/s 4. philips 190G6FB aiya banyak pening laa....minggu depan mahu beli LCD... help me... 2nd, un-natural color production and horrible contrast. Need not apply is u are not a movie aficionado. |
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Jan 13 2007, 02:06 AM
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151 posts Joined: Feb 2006 From: Melaka
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QUOTE(viking_ns @ Jan 11 2007, 05:00 PM) but any body have or using... what u prefer ad WHY I was using Samsung 940BF now, jz get it 2 days ago and so far it didnt coz any problem for me, the display sharp and fast respond time and no hav ghosting on gaming and movie. Compare to 940BW, i prefer 940BF coz respond time 940BF faster then it and contrast ratio also higher then it, important is i dun like wide screen, coz widescreen only better for watch dvd and some game, but now not all game support widescreen and most pirate game no have this option, u know lar, malaysia ppl, like pirate thing.1. Samsung 19 940BW w/s 2. Samsung 19 940BF 3. LG 194W w/s 4. philips 190G6FB aiya banyak pening laa....minggu depan mahu beli LCD... help me... |
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Jan 14 2007, 01:17 AM
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7,937 posts Joined: Oct 2004
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Anyone here has the price of the benq 24" lcd monitor (FP241W)? |
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Jan 14 2007, 02:47 AM
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17 posts Joined: Jan 2003
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QUOTE(refnulf @ Jan 14 2007, 01:17 AM) Anyone here has the price of the benq 24" lcd monitor (FP241W)? bout rm3100 to 3300..cheapest rm3099 if im not mistaken.. cant remember whr thou.. |
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Jan 14 2007, 04:00 AM
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7,937 posts Joined: Oct 2004
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Wonder if the warranty is as good as the Dell. |
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Jan 14 2007, 02:50 PM
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465 posts Joined: May 2005 From: Puchong, Selangor
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Hello guys. Sorry i'm a noob in the LCD section.
After decades of using CRTs, i've upgraded to an LCD monitor yesterday. Its a BenQ FP92W 19" widescreen. So far im impressed with it, although its a little too wide for me. Gonna take some time to get used to it.I have a question. What is DVI-D? The monitor does not come with the cable and the shop fella said it is optional. I didnt buy it yet coz i have no idea what it is. How does it help performance wise? And do i need to change my cables if i use it? I'm currently using the usual blue coloured port connected to the monitor and my rig. |
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Jan 15 2007, 12:49 PM
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151 posts Joined: Feb 2006 From: Melaka
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DVI is digital video input, now most lcd monitor come with DVI and analog input but not all. It depend on yr graphic card, if it support DVI and u can use it and DVI will have better performance then analog.
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Jan 15 2007, 03:06 PM
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19 posts Joined: Jan 2003
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planing to get a 19" LCD monitor.
Use for surfing net, and MS office, no gaming. Is non-widescreen better? Any good recommedation? |
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Jan 15 2007, 04:46 PM
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3,749 posts Joined: Dec 2005 From: Sydney, AU
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QUOTE(crazybear @ Jan 15 2007, 12:49 PM) DVI is digital video input, now most lcd monitor come with DVI and analog input but not all. It depend on yr graphic card, if it support DVI and u can use it and DVI will have better performance then analog. In addition to that, DVI-D also stands for Digital Video Interface - Digital. Its considered the True Digital Video Interface. Also there's DVI-I that can carry both digital and analog signals and also the DVI-A that carries high resolution analog signals.If your graphic card outputs to a DVI connector, it is most likely a DVI-I interface. It can carry both analog and digital signals. Thats why you could connect a DVI to VGA connector to support an analog CRT/LCD monitor. Modern LCD monitors do come with both VGA and DVI interface. The DVI interface in this case would be a DVI-D which accepts digital signals only. The VGA interface would be responsible for analog only signals. Hope this helps. |
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Jan 15 2007, 05:02 PM
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3,749 posts Joined: Dec 2005 From: Sydney, AU
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QUOTE(fishfan @ Jan 15 2007, 03:06 PM) planing to get a 19" LCD monitor. In this case, a non-widescreen would suffice. But considering that if you're handling multi-page documents or you're a heavy document guy, a widescreen should be the choice. You can display two page document per view or 2 different document programs per view. This will reduce minimizing when you need to refer between documents or copying and pasting information. Or working with a document program while having a browser active for instant research/googling.Use for surfing net, and MS office, no gaming. Is non-widescreen better? Any good recommedation? I wouldn't recommend surfing with a widescreen because most websites must still cater for standard screen sizes because there's still a big pile of users outsider using conventional CRTs. So webmasters have to take them into consideration. As a result, you'll see quite a lot of space on the far left and right of the screen goes to waste on a widescreen monitor. Unless you display two different webpages per view or one browser and an IM program at the side. If you don't like a widescreen monitor, the Samsung Syncmaster 932B is good choice for serving your needs and at the same time looks good and affordable. The 1280x1024 native resolution would be give you ample space during websurfing and the text would be more than readable when dealing with document intensive applications. |
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Jan 15 2007, 05:56 PM
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3,918 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Paris
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I was about to get the 940BW until i found out that it doesn't fit the dual monitor i have (17' benq LCD) as the resolution will not be compatible.
I guess i have to fix to the normal 19' LCD then. There is not much difference in terms of specs of 960BF and 932B but why is 960BF around 80% more expensive? And whats the difference with 940BF instead besides 2ms? |
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Jan 15 2007, 06:09 PM
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13,775 posts Joined: Jan 2006 From: stress & confuse world
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woot.using viewsonic 17"lcd now.wanna ask here those lcd got a driver for it???
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Jan 15 2007, 06:26 PM
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2,687 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Sue Bunk Jai Yaa!
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just got/plug my 940bw....
demn im satisfied! |
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Jan 15 2007, 07:02 PM
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3,749 posts Joined: Dec 2005 From: Sydney, AU
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QUOTE(| e 3 h y 0 r | @ Jan 15 2007, 05:56 PM) I was about to get the 940BW until i found out that it doesn't fit the dual monitor i have (17' benq LCD) as the resolution will not be compatible. The 960BF should sport a better panel I guess. The published contrast ratio seems to be much higher than its entry level models. I think should be a 8 bit panel as it covers more than 92% of the color gamut in the color space. So its more for the graphics intensive users.I guess i have to fix to the normal 19' LCD then. There is not much difference in terms of specs of 960BF and 932B but why is 960BF around 80% more expensive? And whats the difference with 940BF instead besides 2ms? I think the 932B should cover most common user expectation, with the less expensive 940BF included. |
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