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LCD Thread Ver 3.1, Everything about LCD monitor
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lAh0S
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 Nov 28 2006, 11:51 PM
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Nothing such as 10 or 12 bit LCD panel la. Just the processing power to compensate for something they wanna achieve but couldnt do it with the conventional method. There are only two types for the moment being. You either get a 6 bit panel or 8 bit panel.
6 bit panel commonly known as TN screen which doesnt offer very wide viewing angles and its actually able to produce 256colors only, but manufacturers found some ways to dither the colors that they can display up to 16.2m color which is pretty close to 16.7m colors on typical 8 bit panel (honestly thats what they claimed, who knows).
8 bit panel are true 16.7m color lcd panel, which either is a MVA, PVA or S-IPS panel. These offer better colors n also viewing angles.
Rem: Correct me if i made any mistakes..
Anyway, refresh rate doesnt matter much for LCD becos its different from CRT monitor. It has something to do with the ways they operate. One has to constantly shoot images onto the screen while the other one just change the color of effected pixel (IIRC, haha). Thats why something we play avi video on LCD, even b4 it plays, can see faint still images of the begining of the video but on CRT, its totally black.
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lAh0S
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Nov 29 2006, 05:41 PM
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QUOTE(sunauto @ Nov 29 2006, 11:18 AM) Are LCD tvs inferior to Plasma screens in terms of producing shades of grey. Panasonic Viera Plasma tv can produce 2086 shades of grey colour and displayers 686 billion colours (I think I should got that right) and that's what I saw in SenQ the other day. LCD tvs might offer higher resolutions than a Plasma tv because when it comes to colour reproduction, Plasma is still light years ahead of LCD technology. Am I right or I've missed out something? There are too many brands out there confusing me, Samsung claims that they have the first LCD panel with 13-Bit colour, some high end dvd players from Denon can output 13-Bit colour via HDMI, there are Plasma panels supporting 18-Bit colour. What does this mean? Marketing gimmick? That all screens can actually display a maximum of 8-Bit colour? Some LCD panels from Viewsonic, LG, etc has a response time of 2ms but for Sony Bravia X, even with 8ms of response time, the reviewer mentioned that there was no smearing at all even for playing an XBOX 360 game. So, how did they derive to 2ms, grey to grey respnonse, grey to black response.  Hope that someone can be kind enough to clear my doubts. I'm planning to get a HDTV panel for my HT but I'm not sure which manufacturer is giving me a clear picture on what I'll be getting or expecting from the HDTV panel.  I think its a bit like cars... Like Toyota claimed 110 horse power, but you never get all 110 on wheel... Its the same here... It sports a digital processor capable of processing upto 13bit, but what are the exact number that are being displayed? None of the manufacturer dare to point out other fault cos everyone of them use marketting gimmick. |
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lAh0S
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Nov 30 2006, 04:43 PM
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Dont get a 1718... thats all I wanna say...
I have one for office and I hate to say that it sucks...
In contrast bought another model for my mum, 1750Q and its better...
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lAh0S
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Dec 1 2006, 12:40 AM
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QUOTE(BaDtzBaDtz @ Nov 30 2006, 11:40 PM) Aiyer... all so pricey eh... i just use it for normal home use .... any other suggestion or recommand ar??? lAh0S: btw.. why LG wan not good ar? why u say it sux ar? aiya... i dont comdemn LG lar... you read my post properly... the model you mention 1718 sucks cos I got one... on the other hand, i got another LG model which is 1750Q (made in korea)... its much better cos higher contrast n color... even my gf who isnt a pc enthusiast can tell which is better... thats mean it really sucks already... |
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lAh0S
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Dec 1 2006, 12:48 AM
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QUOTE(vassalle @ Dec 1 2006, 12:40 AM) Anyone here just recently bought the Dell 2407? IS it worth the money spent on it (or the RM 2349 that will be spent on it if i decide to get it)? Done reading some of these "PRO" reviews and to be honest, it kinda got me confused. Banding issues etc, dont really know to what extent i'm bothered with it. Would really like a 'layman's' opinion on the TFT.  Aiyo... no more banding in desktop mode liao la... Moreover its not like you gonna notice it when playing games, watching video or surfing net... Besides I dont really mind the price difference between RM1299 and the price I paid which is 1329. What you really wish for is a dead pixel free monitor and S-IPS. Im damn happy with mine to justify the price difference. Besides its end of the year liao, who knows what dell will ship out. Heard that more n more 2007WFP using alternative panel liao. Try your luck now and see what you got. Who knows if next year they will start all new production using PVA panel... |
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lAh0S
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Dec 1 2006, 01:38 AM
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2407 all using PVA... no lottery as LG-Philips doesnt produce 24inch S-IPS panel... there ya go...
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lAh0S
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Dec 1 2006, 08:53 PM
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Dec 1 2006, 08:18 PM) how do u guys buy the dell lcd? is the payment using cash or credit card or cheque at pc fair? wanna know, cos i don't have credit card or cheque. is it pay deposit first, then pay the remaining when the product reach my house? No... They will wait for you to bank in the total amount and then you will have to fax or emel them the copy of the transaction. After that only they will proceed with your order... received first then pay... if you know any shop that do that, please let me know... hehehe |
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lAh0S
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Dec 2 2006, 07:52 AM
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Dec 1 2006, 08:59 PM) that means i transfer money from my bank account to dell? got such payment ahh? does that applies to pc fair too? You go buy online la... Payment option there got Telegraphic Transfer... If it wasnt available why they put it there... But then again it takes a couple of days to get through... |
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lAh0S
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Dec 4 2006, 08:10 AM
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Just an opinion... I got a 1718 that doesnt haf reset function inside the menu... just press the 'enter' shaped button to reset...
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lAh0S
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Dec 8 2006, 09:36 AM
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QUOTE(marky @ Dec 7 2006, 05:52 PM) my repalcement 2007wfp just came... and its da same as the previous 1...bleeds at 4 corners.... it is very clear on black screen at night so da question is..isit designed tat way ?>< any1 with 2007 wfp enlighten me pls! You actually went through RMA? I had this backlight bleeding... b4 I seen it, I was wondering how bad was it going to be... after I saw it, I dont think its critical... |
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lAh0S
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Dec 10 2006, 04:58 PM
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Aiyo, no need so critical la.
DELL 2007WFP is probably the cheapest ever S-IPS panel available in the market. Problems like backlight bleeding is common in LCD production. I dont find it an annoyance like many did. Dead pixel is another common problem with LCD. Of course when you buy it new, you can ask for free dead pixel. But as you used it, wear n tear will takes its toll and slowly you will start encountering dead pixel. None of the LCD manufacturer guarantee dead pixel free after you start using it. If you got dead pixel pop out of nowhere day after day, then its your luck.
Humans are really greedy. If you want the best and can afford it, just go ahead n buy Apple LCD. They are one of the best, if you can afford the difference in prices. If not, just STFU. Get along with it or go n get a CRT.
* My office has a LCD with 3 dead pixel, and I hardly noticed it. Whats all the big fuss about it.
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lAh0S
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Dec 10 2006, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Dec 10 2006, 05:32 PM) it's because people have spent more than RM1000 and still get the dead pixel, so not satisfied. LOL... Thats why lar... ppl think too highly of their money... A full tank of petrol also RM70-80 liao... whats value in RM1000 nowadays... You wanna complaint 3 dead pixels for a RM1.3k LCD, which suddenly pop out of nowhere after a few hundred hours of usage? |
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lAh0S
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Dec 10 2006, 10:36 PM
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No, Im not angry or agitated.
Its just that most are targetting DELL cos they are one and only company in Malaysia (my guesstimate) which prioritise customer satisfaction. Just go n buy a LCD from any shop in LowYat and see how you get treated when you complained about backlight bleeding or a single dead pixel. Its not that it doesnt exist. Backlight bleeding and dead pixel are common problem with LCD production. Certain batch has it, some dont. Simple as that.
Im not protecting DELL not do I work for DELL. I got a 2007WFP myself knowing the fact that I would never afford a S-IPS panel of other brand. Just a matter of facts, you all go n bought a 2007WFP/2407WFP becos its way cheaper than others. Havent it once cross your mind how DELL managed to beat other by such a big margin. You must have guess it. There's no other shortcut than cutting cost which lead to not up to par QC and component/circuits.
You dont need to look far. Even a 19inch S-PVA panel already cost more than what it cost to buy a 2007WFP inclusive of delivery. A 19inch aS-IPS panel from NEC cost RM2k. You get what you paid for.
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lAh0S
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Dec 12 2006, 01:33 PM
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QUOTE(redken @ Dec 12 2006, 12:31 AM) None of my LCD's have any defects. Beat that. Back light bleeding and dead pixels are defects, period. It's not about how much money u spend on it, it's what the purchase agreed upon. Perhaps dead pixels are clearly written, but dodgy warranty policies doesnt spell transparency.
Most people that have not dealt with Dell, think highly of their paper policy. In reality it's a different story. Alot of forumers here can tell a tale or two about it. Not that i am against Dell, but purchasers have the right to speak. I dont know why Dell sucks so much. You get 14 days to return it if you dont like it. They charged only RM80 for the refund process. Any shops in Low Yat would haf charge you 20% for you to return it. |
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lAh0S
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Dec 12 2006, 04:40 PM
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LOL...
Regardless of what monitor you use, none of them recommended viewing LCD/CRT in the dark...
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lAh0S
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Dec 13 2006, 02:43 AM
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You dont need to turn it off and on again...
LCD unlike CRT doesnt need degauss...
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