NEWSFLASH
TMNet has recently installed hardware that is able to control P2P via deep packet inspection of the traffic passing through its network. These devices are able to detect and limit / throttle P2P data transmission - including encrypted torrents

The application of this P2P shaping is being carried out on a rolling basis across all Streamyx users in Malaysia, and results in severe speed degradation for bit torrent users and most other P2P protocols.

As a result, many Streamyx customers are experiencing difficulty in using bit torrent - an internet protocol that is both a legitimate and highly effective means of data transfer

You may have luck bypassing TMNet's throttle with one of the following methods:

VPN / SOCKS Proxy
Use a free or paid VPN service (e.g. SecureIX, Relakks). Forum member 'virtual' is currently offering VPN service as well

Edonkey
Some users have reported good speeds with protocol obfuscation encryption enabled in Emule 0.47c

Newsgroups
Not free, but you will get good speeds with reliable news providers

Torrentflux
Setup an offshore torrentflux box and FTP your files into Malaysia. Shared boxes are available from several forum members

Tuotu
Not particularly well coded, but this Chinese BT client seems to bypass the shaping hardware

Rapidshare
Rapidshare and similar sites have a lot of popular downloads available

This post has been edited by tangent709: Dec 9 2006, 11:33 PM

i have some ideas but i am not going to post it here because there are plenty of tmnut spies in this forum.

all gather up in 1 forum/website

grab the torrent from there

enjoy the speed from local seed/peers

no other to help ourselves

I second that

Wouldn't the local seeders need to get the file from internationally located peers/seeders ?

the idea is to get those files outside to populate local seeds for faster distribution.

i think you pretty much covered it. other ideas are probably too exotic to actually work

Would anyone in Msia actually download the anime raws that I'm getting?

LOL.

VPN,ssh tunnel,http-tunnel, hopster will work just fine... but all this need money coz we using their bandwith n people cant give that for free.

Modding torrent client to give upload priority to local IPs is also a good idea, that way we dont have to mess ourselves having the local torrent tracker getting busted by copyright enforcers.

This post has been edited by strace: Sep 26 2006, 02:52 PM

someone faster come up solution and teach me step by step how to do it,

torrent throttling = end of the world for me,

so many TV shows, but cant even get 1,

You're not the only one affected.

Terrible headache whether to continue to leave my computer switched on as usual to download stuff.

Slowdown affecting me, even past midnight. Imagine idling around 30kb/s when downloading, darn slow. Using 1mBit line.

I wonder, if i downgrade to 512kBit line, would my speed be sliced into half ? Like currently 30kb/s become 15kb/s ?

oh man, 30kbps oredi DAMN fast to me,

my speed now 24 hours hover around 10-20kbps, daytime even worse, single digit, 1 episode show maybe need leave computer on 1 whole nite to finish the download,

sikit sikit jadi bukit mah
many ppl grab from the international seed
then distribute back to local peer

If this idea is succesfull, those popular files from torrent we will get full speeds just like what is happening in Hong Kong. That is the way they get high speed downloads as they distribute it among the local users.

yeah, faster start do wat needs to be done, spread the news...

educate noobs like me, then we can get back nice download speed,

if anything can be done to bypass this throttling or control, count me in.

a private malaysian tracker would be nice for some stuff.

If there is someone willing to start a tracker for us local users that would be great. Hopefully there is.

wat requirement needed to start a tracker ? wat is the process?

haha me too not sure about this, never did it before, mebe someone who has can enlighten us? hehe.

well the first thing you need is money

lol, ur answer = no answer,

need be more specific details, man

u need money for everything ler, no such thing as free lunch in this world.

The only thing i can think of is that u need a host first, then a website for your tracker info, then the tracker software.

then need to pay quite alot for the bandwitdh it uses.

anyway if you host a tracker site,you might put yourself into trouble as the local copyright group or the infamous MPAA may come to you

If I'm not wrong, just get the program from Bitcomet. Requirement maybe a corporate line ?

hmm, i think we need boycott streamyx, switch ISP , see they still dare like this treat customer or not?

all go cancel streamyx services,

So far I've seen only TMNet surviving. I was once a TIME Webbit user and it is now dead. They are no more accepting new customers. Even Jaring's wireless broadband is becoming to be a flop compared to their great performance when it was first launch. We have no choice but to stick with TMNet.

Only practical thing I can think of that everyone can do is to DL using the same public trackers.

I use a private tracker to get American TV show episodes, and I have noticed that my Utorrent client is clever enough to connect to as many local peers as possible to get data. Am connected to a lot more Malaysian BT clients than before the shaping started, and some are nice enough to allow good UL speeds that allow me to complete the DL in a reasonable time. Not as fast as before, but I can live with it...

In fact, the private BT trackers that I used previously are now slower for DL than the public trackers because most of the seeders are offshore. Very annoyed about this - had such a good ratio on so many sites.


e.g. Some.Torrent.s01e01 from the same private tracker is maxing out my DL speed (about 90kb/s ) and the data is almost all from Malaysian clients (about 40 of them) Yeah guys keep it up!!

p.s. Sorry to have to edit your post, but we don't want LYN to get in trouble with the law. It wasn't an outright violation (since you didn't put up any links), but we're just being cautious. I've tried to retain as much of the post as I can. Thank you for your understanding. -Altie.

This post has been edited by altie: Oct 5 2006, 01:20 AM

Haha.. yeah.. I might be one of them that was connected to you. My peers list in utorrent was ALL Malaysia IP. And I was connected to 80 peers. ALL of them with MALAYSIAN flag. I pumped up the UL to help everyone get it fast when I was done. Now I'm helping to seed Heroes S01E01.

This post has been edited by altie: Oct 5 2006, 01:21 AM

crap
my connection is on 10kbps
dl-ing h*k dramas

Dont worry, proceed here and you will find many users having that same problem too. You can also rant everything you want there.

nah
made no difference on my speed also

better find a way to help ourselves rather then ranting ( where does the rant goes .. all dump into sea nia )

crap i try to download Heroes S01E01 from m and it is so slow

This post has been edited by altie: Oct 5 2006, 01:23 AM

It seems popular shows like Prison Break and Lost will have lots of local peers. NEW shows like Heroes will take some time until they become popular also and we will then see many local peers on it.

This post has been edited by altie: Oct 5 2006, 01:23 AM

can you believe it?half hour gone and only 2mb downloaded

That would be nice. But IIRC there was once a Malaysian BT tracker, the RIAA/MPAA quickly brought it down.

It was a private tracker and it was brought down ?

This post has been edited by hardyboyz888: Sep 27 2006, 06:30 AM

how to cancel lah my area here only got screamyx... not 5 days cannot BT at all... guess tmnut expecting me paying rm88 monthly just to surf check my emails.

direct download is good if it is not affected by the shaping

malaysia BT tracker or the website/forum u were talking about ?

The tracker website was brought down. I read about it b4 in some forum.

Do you mean regular HTTP downloads?

If so, it's nothing new.
For example, google for prison break rapidshare.

You can still get torrents at decent speed if you :

Stick to the most popular public trackers

DL the most popular episodes/movies

Jump on the torrent as soon as it comes out (when everyone else does)


You will probably suffer poor speeds with:

Private trackers with mostly international seeds

Obscure/unpopular episodes/movies


Remember, SHARING is CARING for your fellow BT'ers - especially now. Give back what you take

This is Mininova's hardware setup, if anyone is interested in setting up a Malaysian tracker


Mininova setup

If Malaysian BT users are willing to help out in improving the download speed, we should all share among ourselves too. Even if you are not willing to share out to international leechers, think of our own people too. If everyone cooperates, things would get better.

3 pages and everyone missed the most obvious solution for forumers here:-

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showforum=46
[Lowyat.Net DC++ Hub]

rapidshare is not good choice since i dont have an account,megashare is far better with bigger file size and resume ability!
downloading heroes at full pace 60kb/s

This post has been edited by diego_maradona: Sep 27 2006, 10:41 PM

I using 1Mb Pakage, and I did some testing on BitComet.

Using 3k upload speed, I around 20k ++ download speed
When I increse upload speed to 20k, I get around 50k ++ download speed!!!!!
tested with 30k upload, can get 70k ++ download

anyone who tested like this, please response with result. thanks.

* ps: last time 3k upload, i can get 100k download.

This post has been edited by tkting: Sep 28 2006, 12:49 AM

That was the only Malaysian BT tracker that i ever came across till last year they had to close

I think there is 1 more but i can't remember the URL..

How did you find Heroes megashare? I'm clueless when it comes to rapidshare and megashare.

hahah....waiting for TIMEnet or Jaring develope something for us...

This post has been edited by xen0: Sep 28 2006, 01:10 AM

how am i suppose to do that?.. i cant get even 1bps in my area...TMnuts..

the only truly effective way to bypass TMnet shaping is to move to an area or new condos serviced by alternative broadband ISPs. if that is not good enough, prepare to farking migrate. complaining to the govt and threatening to vote for the opposition if they don't farking end the farking TMnet monopoly will not be effective as our numbers are very small. and is not helped by the fact that there are some self-righteous, moralising dudes among us who defend monopoly and blatant control of the Internet.

there are open source trackers for windows platform out there but not secure and not so flexible. I used to host tracker for my universiti campus, you need a dedicated pc(i feed opteron, 4 gb ram and raptor to run smooth) At that time users was able to hit 5mb+ dl and 1.5mb uploads, LAN mah But you cannot get nice secure tracker(pre made), because you need to know how to code to tweak around to make it work better.

So lets join lyn dc++ hub, dl and distribute among malaysians but need to Q

yes, there is a malaysia bt tracker that got shutdown by MPAA.

if we want to do a new malaysia bt tracker, tmnet must sponsor each and every hardware, software, man power, bandwidth, etc. it is their responsibility, we help their international link too.

nevermind

This post has been edited by diego_maradona: Sep 28 2006, 09:19 AM

there's no shaping involved. this thread is a waste of time and should be closed. try all kinda nonsense. fact remains, their links are overloaded or even down. encrypt all you like. ping remains high. dont waste your time. wanna do something, go to the HQ and complain.

another easier method was tmnet setup their own bt cache server, like their web cache server, it will help them save lot of bandwidth on their international link. this is alot easier than our own malaysian bt tracker.

hey tmnet are u listening?

This post has been edited by Alpha_Tay: Sep 28 2006, 08:40 AM

hmm, we can host a private tracker outside malaysia where there's no rules saying u cant host this kind of site.. isnt it?

just my 0.02

This post has been edited by zxmn: Sep 28 2006, 09:56 AM

wow, keep your propaganda going on all around the threads, last times i checked, tmnet has more than 1 customer. what about now?

tmnet probably couldnt throttle the connection even after 100 or more ppl post in this forum about the problem, while 1 ppl didnt face the problem himself?

I reported the issue at UTorrent forums, but it doesn't seem like enhanced BT encryption is at the top of the list of feature enhancements for their software

UTorrent Forum Thread

You guys might want to add to that thread, because they don't seem to be taking traffic shaping too seriously at the moment... Maybe if more people complain about it, they might do something?

There's nothing much can be done. Encryption is pretty much useless against NetEnforcer, or Deep State Inspection.

Please someone ingenious think of a protocol or a method to bypass this stupid problem.

If the client comes out with a new PE (protocol encryption), it might be able to bypass it though.

Well maybe. But still there is still a patern with torrents.

There are a few ways of implementing throttling for torrents.

1 - Plug off the ports for torrent, even though we can dynamically change the ports, but most of the ACK and comm with the trackers are done through the torrent default ports, which it 6800 something+? Not really sure, but that will cripple torrent totally. But SINCE we're getting speed from our own IPs, this is not the metod implemented.

2 - Some sort of inspection packet, I suspect this is the one being implemented. Analysis are done on the packets, and if found suspicious in behaviour, it will totally be dropped and not transmited.

And a few more I cant remember.


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Well a new protocol encrytion would be great, it has the "possibility" of bypassing the throttling algorithm, but there IS one major problem with it.

Not all users will embrace it. Even now, I still see ALOT, and I mean ALOT of Malaysian IPs that didnt even enable the most basic encryption at all.

Agree that all BT users should force PE at the very minimum. I don't know what the processing power of the traffic shapers TMNet is using are like, but the more encrypted torrents it has to deal with the better.

Packet inspection on an enterprise level certainly needs some CPU horsepower. If the hardware is overloaded and can't analyze the traffic sufficiently fast, it might allow some BT packets through the gateway instead of dropping them.

Unencrypted torrents are easy targets for the shapers

This post has been edited by f**kstreamyx: Sep 28 2006, 07:35 PM

It's deep packet inspection (DPI) not deep state inspection. Anyway, I suspect something funny is going on here because if DPI or NetEnforcer was used, how come we can connect to local peers? It should have affected all peers not just international peers alone. I think something is wrong somewhere here.

This post has been edited by nwk: Sep 28 2006, 07:51 PM

This is what I suspect too. It happens to international link only. Now we are awaiting TMNet's announcement and what actually is happening.

LOL I like this idea.

Let's all run the highest level encryption and give the hardware a huge load until it crash itself

Does it work that way anyways?

there is no need to inspect every packet, the hardware just need to monitor connection behaviours for each IPs e.g. having 300 active connections with new 20 connections per 10 seconds will grant you a speed limit.

I thought of that as well. I tried putting my max global connection to 30, and still i'm getting terrible speed. O_o

Maybe I'm not connecting to enough peers?

I think the network placement is like the diagram. If data stays within the TMNET WAN, it does not reach the Netenforcer and is switched at full speed. But, when you try and connect to the internet you have to transfer through the shaping hardware - which drops your packets. Vice-versa if the offshore seed is trying to send you data.

Just guessing. I am not a networking expert

All use DC++ then problem solved lor

But the bad side of DC++ is that if the user does not have the file you wanted, you won't be able to get it too.

That's why we need all the people participate in it lo. I was from INTI college and all the students are using DC++ in the hostel. I could always dl most of the latest movies and drama series.

Try download using Mirc XDCC bot's are same like direct download :-)

well..i got a rather simple solution...since there are a lot of malaysian Bting, why not ask them to max out their upload speed and ban any foreign IP that is uloading?? that will greatly improve the overall speed...now i'm leeching from this malaysian IP and getting speeds of 30-40+kb/s....

wah 30k already fast nowadays, i'm getting like 1kB-5kB only. sometimes stuck at 0kB for minutes. infact its quite difficult to get connection to peers or seeders now. what a waste of electricity la. now i'm thinking like downgrading to the 384k package la, the rm20. i felt cheated of my hard earn rm66 just to get a lousy 1kB download. tension la like this.

The problem is the file source might still need to come from outside of Streamyx' network. Fansubbed anime is a good example, since the majority of the seeders/distributors for fansub groups tend to be based outside of Malaysia; you still need to get that file through other means or at least wait for it to trickle through before the file can be seeded here.

In other news, one of the companies that first used DPI seems to have given up on it, at least for one of their premium packages. If TMNet is going to drop this throttling, you can be sure that it will not be a complete drop.

i agree with wat you said...but at least its much better than the current state...since v malaysians aren't that generous when it comes to seeding..i certainly hope they will max out their upload rate and ratio...at least its better than nothing....

In the meantime, why don't everyone use a client with a distributed peer system thingy like Azureus or something? With a large enough Malaysian userbase, we could have distribution without a tracker.

DPI and other advancd traffic shaping hardware principles are likely going to spread, so (optimistically) it's only a matter of time before the major BT clients implement some kind of workaround.

This post has been edited by littlefox: Sep 28 2006, 11:08 PM

LOL! And I hope you are maxing out your upload rates as well.

Been doing just that. I've been uploading at 30+ kB/s since BT speeds starting going down the drain. It's great when I find a fellow streamyx user uploading well, but it pisses me off when someone's leeching my uploads but not giving back. Not saying it's u, sidewinderz, but the guys reading this who still keep their upload rates at 10kB/s, you know who you are.

If our BT speeds from international peers sucks, while BT speeds from local users are great, then the logical step is to increase sharing among local users.

I'd like to see a BT software that:
1. Helps prioritize uploads / downloads to local users / IPs
2. Lets me monitor local user's upload / download rates so that I kick/ban them for not sharing. (I know Azureus lets u, but utorrent doesn't)

But that still leaves the issue of a clogged international pipeline. If you are the lone Malaysian downloader, you're pretty much SOL. I know other friends of mine who download the torrents as I do, but they may not necessarily be downloading at the same time. It would be good if my BT software can wake up their BT software so that instead of one Malaysian BT user connected to an international tracker, you get 10, or 20, or 50... at the same time. Sorta like a BT friendster - you form a BT group centered around a particular series / show... and the first person who downloads the torrents has his BT software instruct the group members' BT softwares to start downloading simultaneously.

Meanwhile, my BT rates still sucks following the upgrade exercise. I'm happy if I get 20kB/s, delirious if hit past 30+kB/s. Needless to say, I've not been happy much, let alone delirious.

I did call streamyx to complain about poor access to international sites (also have this problem). I got a report number, and they called me back, told me that they reset my port, and said they considered this case closed. If i still have problems, I'm supposed to call and complain again. Well, still having problems... and I'm just too tired to deal with the streamyx people again.

What about international newsgroups...i heard we can get downloads from newsgroups. But do you think Tmnet would have blocked them?

Yeah baby im on it!

the distributed peer system thingy supports on utorrent?

yes.. DHT is supported on Utorrent..

but I don't think it's really that effective.

besides, i have to turn mine off since I download my torrents off private trackers anyway...

DHT doesn't really work against DPI.... Azureus has it & still gets screwed over

okay guys.. I have just installed DC++ using lowyat's hub, and am sharing some of my downloaded stuff on it.. approx 43 gigs of it..

Am currently trying to trickle stuff with my horrendous bt speeds from a private tracker, will gladly share more should anyone have the galls and cash to start a local bt tracker.

For the sake of keeping p2p alive.. i urge everyone with stuff to share to come join as well..

It would cost alot for the multiple servers and of course including a good connection too.

i dont know why we want to make a local tracker?... there are a bunch of public tracker out there.. local tracker does'n help the speed. Peers n seeders that will determine the speed.

That's true but I'm not talking about using DHT to circumvent DPI. If enough people in Malaysia use a DHT-capable client like Azureus or utorrent (assuming their DHT implementations are compatible with each other), then we don't have to worry about setting up a local tracker to keep local peers communicating with each other. That way, at least any trickle that some local peers get for any particular file can be shared with the rest.

on second thoughts
DC++ is quite a lame solution to our speed problems..

sighh..

Anyone wants to setup a massive 500 terabyte p2p cache server? XD

Anyone knows what is I2P (Invisible Internet Project)?? This tools is create to bypass internet shaping or what?? Right now already available I2P plugin for azureus. but I dont know how to use it

Anyone?

Here's the link

\http://azureus.sourceforge.net/doc/AnonBT/i2p/I2P_howto.htm

Hmm...its just another encrytion plugin. From what i know, the DPI can inspect layers by layers of packets...crypted or not.

And both end got to have i2p installed. (The instructions, i read through but im too newbie to understand).

Its still experimental, so dont expect a flash solution.

I think its just one part of the cycle, where user and ISP fire and backfire each other. Now its the user turn and i think I2p is one of our shot.

i think no ISP wants to jeopardise the quality of the bandwidth due to this so called 'bandwidth theifs' or p2p users. Their objective is to be effiecient and to be that means optimised bandwidth with lowest posibble cost.

That means capping individual bandwith. period.

But letme know if you found one!

True. Seems to me that all we need is a dedicated file sharing forum which we can use to post links to files hosted by Malaysians using public trackers. As long as most of the seeds and peers are local, speeds should be normal.

Ok...any links on putting up a local tracker?

Huh? No, what I said is just have a file sharing forum when people can post their stuff. We would still be using an overseas tracker, just posting links to files seeded by US. Since most of the trafiic would be between locals, speeds should still be at 100%.

We could even do it right here on LYN!

aiya malaysian wont help to seed..... they only leech thats the problem