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 Working in Singapore V17, All about living in the Lil' Red Dot

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post Oct 29 2015, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(yrh0413 @ Oct 29 2015, 06:03 PM)
I must be the odd one then... don't like to drive in KL (Malaysian drivers park everywhere and most KL folks are bad drivers).

Then due to work I end up driving in Singapore, kinda like driving in Singapore as people are more civilized... and parking is convenient too. ERP parking everywhere, now even find it interesting to drive into challenging car parks like Liang Court.

Then 2 months back drove my SG car back to KL... damn, hate driving in KL.
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shocking.gif first time i heard ppl like to drive in sg

When every small strech of road is another traffic light
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post Oct 29 2015, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(huaweie5830 @ Oct 29 2015, 09:31 PM)
shocking.gif first time i heard ppl like to drive in sg

When every small strech of road is another traffic light
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why not? l luv to drive. Reach work place in just 20mins,. Going for midnight snack also convinience .
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post Oct 29 2015, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(WyjSwmW @ Oct 29 2015, 05:17 PM)
realised small group of malaysians after working 6 mths in SG cannot survive and packed-bags returning to malaysia

1) everything need to queue
2) no cars to drive, everyday take MRTs, buses, walk alot, up the bridge etc (lazy to walk, it's already a habit to drive for them)
3) no late nite places to hang-out
4) cannot simply park cars, to them not convenient
5) lousy food
6) bored weekends
7) could not command fluent english and being looked down (peer pressure)
8) stucked in small tiny rooms of 300sqft (whereas they stay in 3000sqft home back in Malaysia) - Home sick

In the end, return to Malaysia, wasted...
Not sure bout you, but so far encountered 3 similar experience shared by ex-colleagues over 5 working yrs here.
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All the above is just about $. weaklings ....

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post Oct 29 2015, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(huaweie5830 @ Oct 29 2015, 09:31 PM)
shocking.gif first time i heard ppl like to drive in sg

When every small strech of road is another traffic light
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I drive a lot in SG. Trust me, those roads are so much easier to navigate. Signs are pointing to the correct direction unlike in M'sia. Other drivers are civilize when driving - give proper signal, don't simply merge into you lane, stop when lights turn yellow....The only dislike are the expressways where the speed limit is 90 kmph. Some stretch only 80 kmph

Which is why when most S'porean drive in M'sian highway they like to speed because such 'freedom' can't be obtained in S'pore

This post has been edited by knwong: Oct 29 2015, 11:12 PM
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post Oct 29 2015, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(titarium @ Oct 29 2015, 05:19 PM)
Neh SG use homemade, retiring all old M16.

Wanna know more please join the voluntary NS programs, just a part time few weeks program instead of 2 years compulsory.

PR men and women are eligible , after joining are applicable to apply for SAFRA card !

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Where to apply

I wouldn't mind a little time to rest and relax in the army
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post Oct 29 2015, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(knwong @ Oct 29 2015, 11:10 PM)
I drive a lot in SG. Trust me, those roads are so much easier to navigate. Signs are pointing to the correct direction unlike in M'sia. Other drivers are civilize when driving - give proper signal, don't simply merge into you lane, stop when lights turn yellow....The only dislike are the expressways where the speed limit is 90 kmph. Some stretch only 80 kmph

Which is why when most S'porean drive in M'sian highway they like to speed because such 'freedom' can't be obtained in S'pore
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after encountering every single traffic lights per 100m of roads, I not sure whether you still like to drive in SG.
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post Oct 29 2015, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(WyjSwmW @ Oct 29 2015, 05:17 PM)
realised small group of malaysians after working 6 mths in SG cannot survive and packed-bags returning to malaysia

1) everything need to queue
2) no cars to drive, everyday take MRTs, buses, walk alot, up the bridge etc (lazy to walk, it's already a habit to drive for them)
3) no late nite places to hang-out
4) cannot simply park cars, to them not convenient
5) lousy food
6) bored weekends
7) could not command fluent english and being looked down (peer pressure)
8) stucked in small tiny rooms of 300sqft (whereas they stay in 3000sqft home back in Malaysia) - Home sick

In the end, return to Malaysia, wasted...
Not sure bout you, but so far encountered 3 similar experience shared by ex-colleagues over 5 working yrs here.
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These people sure have low adaptability. Then again, it is not easy to get accustomed to life in Singapore.
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post Oct 30 2015, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(yrh0413 @ Oct 29 2015, 06:03 PM)
I must be the odd one then... don't like to drive in KL (Malaysian drivers park everywhere and most KL folks are bad drivers).

Then due to work I end up driving in Singapore, kinda like driving in Singapore as people are more civilized... and parking is convenient too. ERP parking everywhere, now even find it interesting to drive into challenging car parks like Liang Court.

Then 2 months back drove my SG car back to KL... damn, hate driving in KL.
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I detest driving in KL too! KL drivers can be inconsiderate, uncultured, impatient...the list goes on.
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post Oct 30 2015, 07:38 AM

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QUOTE(WyjSwmW @ Oct 29 2015, 11:52 PM)
after encountering every single traffic lights per 100m of roads, I not sure whether you still like to drive in SG.
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bro, i feel u laugh.gif

singapore is the worst place to drive, term of its natural constrain


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post Oct 30 2015, 08:06 AM

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QUOTE(studyboy @ Oct 30 2015, 12:01 AM)
I detest driving in KL too! KL drivers can be inconsiderate, uncultured, impatient...the list goes on.
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Was driving in kl last weekend and realized I just spent 2 hours in a jam... on a Sat afternoon. Huge waste of time. How do those ppl live like that?
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post Oct 30 2015, 08:40 AM

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Lol u all damn look down on ppl tht stay in msia lor. Malaysias lifestyle is not suited for everyone, and neither is singapores hyper competitive lifestyle. Great if you can adapt, but if you cant just move on la. Why suffer and be unhappy.

I rly dont consider it as being wasted, and reeks of some kind of superiority complex.
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post Oct 30 2015, 09:15 AM

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Hi Everyone,
I've been lurking here for a while and I found the inputs here quite useful, so I just wanted to say hi. I'm looking to relocate sometime next year and planning to share a flat with some of my colleagues. Hope to be in touch further as my relocation plan firms up.
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post Oct 30 2015, 10:11 AM

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For those having questions on CP21, here is my experience:

If your company knows that you are leaving Malaysia, they will withhold your last month pay and issue CP21 for you to submit to IRB with your last income tax return for the current year. Make sure that all your past income tax return has been submitted too. IRB may then ask for audit. (The IRB tax officer said she wanted to audit me, but in the end I didn't get any audit letter lol). After they are satisfied, they will issue you with a tax clearance letter, of which you will give a copy to your ex-company's HR so that they can release your last pay. With this tax clearance, you don't need to worry about filling Malaysia income tax until one day when you return to work in Malaysia.

If you did not do the whole process above, then you will need to file Malaysian income tax every year (put as nil).

Fyi, the legal way is actually the first one above.
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post Oct 30 2015, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(WyjSwmW @ Oct 29 2015, 11:52 PM)
after encountering every single traffic lights per 100m of roads, I not sure whether you still like to drive in SG.
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Super exaggerating , can take highway what no now ask you to take trunk roads all the way.

Boring part is you can't really speed , as your license is seriously on stake, max 90km/h .
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post Oct 30 2015, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(megadisc @ Oct 29 2015, 11:49 PM)
Where to apply

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http://www.mindef.gov.sg/safvc/index.html
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post Oct 30 2015, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(morgana_jara @ Oct 30 2015, 10:11 AM)
For those having questions on CP21, here is my experience:

If your company knows that you are leaving Malaysia, they will withhold your last month pay and issue CP21 for you to submit to IRB with your last income tax return for the current year. Make sure that all your past income tax return has been submitted too. IRB may then ask for audit. (The IRB tax officer said she wanted to audit me, but in the end I didn't get any audit letter lol). After they are satisfied, they will issue you with a tax clearance letter, of which you will give a copy to your ex-company's HR so that they can release your last pay. With this tax clearance, you don't need to worry about filling Malaysia income tax until one day when you return to work in Malaysia.

If you did not do the whole process above, then you will need to file Malaysian income tax every year (put as nil).

Fyi, the legal way is actually the first one above.
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Thanks for your sharing. Any idea if the procedure also applies if I'm just moving from the Malaysian branch of my company to the Singaporean one?
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post Oct 30 2015, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(ThanatosSwiftfire @ Oct 30 2015, 08:40 AM)
Lol u all damn look down on ppl tht stay in msia lor. Malaysias lifestyle is not suited for everyone, and neither is singapores hyper competitive lifestyle. Great if you can adapt, but if you cant just move on la. Why suffer and be unhappy.

I rly dont consider it as being wasted, and reeks of some kind of superiority complex.
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We're not looking down, it's just natural that people who prefer SG to have opinions that are sided towards SG
Just like how those people who moved back to MY have good opinions of MY and bad ones of SG

Just that when you complain about things like small house, can't afford car, nothing to do on weekends...what is the real thing you are complaining about?
Smart people can look beyond the words to understand what the real message is
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post Oct 30 2015, 10:48 AM

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Those who easily accustomed with the life style in SG mainly are :

1) Started Young - right after graduate -> adaptability still very high , expectation still low
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2) With very good experience and profile , get a Dollar to Dollar package , or an expat package -> Then your life style definite no change
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3) Internal transfer (usually) this group's transition have very little effect on the life style. Company culture the same , initial settling down supported by company

Else have to bare abit( 6 month - 1 year to settle down ) eventually most of foreigners in SG made it through.

Those who return basically because of :
- Freedom due to $ (limited spending , room sharing )
- Home sick

So for those who have been working for years have to really weight your career path back in home country vs capable generating savings in SGD.

But there's also others who came because of other factor :
- second generation (education and growth)
- safety ( human/physical , food*)
- Unsatisfied in home country due to lifestyle , gov administration, culture etc..

*you'll be amazed some PRC (even rich ones) , feels is more secure to consume meals in SG than back in China
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post Oct 30 2015, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(oe_kintaro @ Oct 30 2015, 10:38 AM)
Thanks for your sharing. Any idea if the procedure also applies if I'm just moving from the Malaysian branch of my company to the Singaporean one?
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Still applies as long as you're filing Malaysian income tax returns.
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post Oct 30 2015, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(KilJim @ Oct 30 2015, 10:43 AM)
We're not looking down, it's just natural that people who prefer SG to have opinions that are sided towards SG
Just like how those people who moved back to MY have good opinions of MY and bad ones of SG

Just that when you complain about things like small house, can't afford car, nothing to do on weekends...what is the real thing you are complaining about?
Smart people can look beyond the words to understand what the real message is
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White collar ones that I know ( especially ones without car ) : Changi are likely their weekend spot .

For SME - consumer business still feel that MY is a better place , but business that ties to gov contracts SG is a better place , needless to say business that will grow big SG still a better place .



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