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post Sep 2 2014, 08:49 PM, updated 12y ago

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 2 2014, 07:35 PM)
Wowz uae buy 6 baynunah class 920 ton corvette with 8 mm40, 36 essm, ram and 76mm gun for total of 820m 1 ship only 100+ m
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Fuh so cheap drool.gif
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just ship body only, many weapon and system order separately.
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 2 2014, 09:07 PM)
I thot is entire program cost??
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many country like order military hardware divided to multiple contract, so it look cheap and less issue on politic.....(people will forgot bcos long project), other website said project end up usd 250 mil for each baynunah class ship.
some also negotiation separately take long time for certain weapon。
in US event more separately contract, example engine also other order.

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 2 2014, 09:48 PM)
Juz asking, why keep make new thread instead of making 1000+ pages thread biggrin.gif
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the logs is huge, especially if we keep posting pictures that amounts up to 1000 pages

pastu tengok server crash, habis semua content whistling.gif
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post Sep 2 2014, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 2 2014, 09:48 PM)
Juz asking, why keep make new thread instead of making 1000+ pages thread biggrin.gif
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It have been decided by the staff max pages allowed ~125pages.
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It have been decided by the staff max pages allowed ~125pages.
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It is a forum rule. It won't be there if there is no good reason.
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Say, you buy your own eye protection to be use in the field. Will the upper command say no to it and insitst using issued item?
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mana pictures from merdeka parade???
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post Sep 2 2014, 11:51 PM

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Angsa sudah mau berenang.....
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Angsa sudah mau berenang..... bersama2 keris keramat hang tuah.
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QUOTE(minizian @ Sep 2 2014, 11:30 PM)
Say, you buy your own eye protection to be use in the field. Will the upper command say no to it and insitst using issued item?
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Custom wear like this is fine, gloves, boots, facemask, even sight optic if you got money to spare
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Sep 2 2014, 11:51 PM)
Angsa sudah mau berenang..... bersama2 keris keramat hang tuah.
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tak faham ..... smile.gif
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Its around the corner......ANGkasa SAmudera.....
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Its around the corner......ANGkasa SAmudera.....
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 3 2014, 12:16 AM)
lagi tak faham .....  wink.gif
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Eks angkasa samudera, combine eksais between tudm and tldm
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Sep 2 2014, 11:51 PM)
Angsa sudah mau berenang..... bersama2 keris keramat hang tuah.
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Where will the exercise be this time?
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QUOTE(edliew07 @ Sep 3 2014, 12:23 AM)
Where will the exercise be this time?
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South China Sea....see what PRC reaction??
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Sep 3 2014, 12:26 AM)
South China Sea....see what PRC reaction??
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Using lots of our ships and aircraft?
After that will be Exercise Bersama Lima 2014 in October. I've read Typhoon will be here thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Sep 3 2014, 12:26 AM)
South China Sea....see what PRC reaction??
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u gonna join in the exercise or keep shadowing PRC's ships near the area?
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u gonna join in the exercise or keep shadowing PRC's ships near the area?
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Wait & see....... but must wait little bit.

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Sep 3 2014, 12:37 AM)
Wait & see....... but must wait little bit.
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worry gonna be PRC's subs near the area sweat.gif
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Sep 3 2014, 12:37 AM)
Wait & see....... but must wait little bit.
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any live missile firing? whistling.gif whistling.gif
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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 3 2014, 12:40 AM)
any live missile firing?  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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PRC kata jangan
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Sep 3 2014, 12:42 AM)
PRC kata jangan
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exercise only.. like how they come to james shoel whistling.gif whistling.gif

simpan pun tak guna.. baik guna test whistling.gif
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Sep 3 2014, 12:37 AM)
Wait & see....... but must wait little bit.
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US bringing in any sub for the exercise?
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QUOTE(edliew07 @ Sep 3 2014, 12:45 AM)
US bringing in any sub for the exercise?
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Angsa only among us.....
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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 3 2014, 12:40 AM)
any live missile firing?  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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Wait & see.......be patient.....

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Sep 3 2014, 12:46 AM)
Angsa only among us.....
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Not together with the Keris Strike Exercise?
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Sep 3 2014, 12:47 AM)
Wait & see.......hihihi
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tis will be interesting rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif

must post video

BTW how many ship involved?
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QUOTE(edliew07 @ Sep 3 2014, 12:47 AM)
Not together with the Keris Strike Exercise?
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Nope......its just between navy & air force coordination....with some army participation.
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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 3 2014, 12:48 AM)
tis will be interesting  rolleyes.gif  rolleyes.gif

must post video

BTW how many ship involved?
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Need to wait the press release I think...... must wait for official one
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Sep 3 2014, 12:51 AM)
Need to wait the press release I think...... must wait for official one
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alah heboh lah sikit whistling.gif whistling.gif

anyway, mana nak check? malas nak google laugh.gif
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Sep 3 2014, 12:50 AM)
Nope......its just between navy & air force coordination....with some army participation.
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OK. Do keep us updated
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Sep 3 2014, 12:37 AM)
Wait & see....... but must wait little bit.
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bila mau test jerung hitam?
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bila mau test jerung hitam?
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Tunggu!!!
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bila mau test jerung hitam?
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Sep 3 2014, 08:30 AM)
Tunggu!!!
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oh wai public cannot see this one?

do they record this stuff and release to public later on?
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Heads up for LTZ, more china towed sonar ships

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China adding towed sonars to Type 054A, Type 056 vessels

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Images published on Chinese military forums show a large aperture cut out of the transom for VDS on two Type 054A frigate hulls. Source: via cjdby.net

Photographs of two People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) Type 054A (Jiangkai II) frigates being fitted out at Huangpu shipyard in Guangzhou province, China, strongly suggest that variable-depth sonars (VDSs) are being installed.

The images, published on the cjdby.net website, show a large aperture cut out of the transom and installation of mechanical handling gear on Type 054A hulls 19 & 20 (Pennant number 576, Huangshi and 577, Huanggang). Huanggang was launched in July and the large aperture has been cut since then. Two much smaller apertures have also been cut, most likely for the deployment of a towed array and a towed decoy. Photographs of these being streamed by PLAN escorts have previously appeared online.

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Detail of a mechanical handling gear for a variable depth sonar on a Type 054A hull at Huangpu shipyard in Guangzhou province. (via cjdby.net)

Images of Type 056 (Jiangdao class) corvette hull 17 (593, Suqian ) being launched at Shanghai Hudong shipyard in November 2013 showed a similarly modified transom. Subsequent images of that ship alongside and on trials show part of a VDS towed body, with internet sources suggesting that four Type 056 corvettes are being fitted with VDSs.

Installation of a VDS on the frigates after launch and before commissioning suggests not only that this is a late addition to the standard design, but also that the PLAN is confident in the sonar's performance and that its installation has been prioritised.

The frigates and Type 056 corvettes are not the first PLAN ships to be fitted with a VDS: a system was installed on the Type 052 (Luhu class) destroyers built in the early 1990s. Some sources suggest that a different sonar suite was installed in each of the two ships of the class: an Italian (US) DE-1163 in one and a French DUBV-43 in the other. These systems were removed when the ships were refitted in 2011.

No details have emerged of the operational characteristics of the VDS installed in the Type 056 corvettes but the partial images of the towed body suggest that it is not an exact copy of either a DE-1163 or a DUBV-43. It is likely that the Chinese will have undertaken extensive trials and analysis of any imported equipment and built a nominally indigenous system using the knowledge gained.

Both the Type 056 corvettes and the Type 054A frigates are already fitted with a bow-mounted sonar so the installation of VDS and towed arrays suggest that some platforms will be primarily anti-submarine warfare (ASW).

Although the 1,500-tonne Type 056 corvettes do not have a hanger, they have a flight deck from which an ASW-torpedo carrying Z-9 helicopter can operate, particularly in coastal waters. The addition of a VDS will significantly enhance their potential detection capability, specifically when compared to the smaller, rudimentary equipped submarine chasers they are replacing, such as the Type 037 (Hainan) class.

Previous reports have indicated that the vertical launch missile system installed in the Type 054A frigates may be capable of launching an anti-submarine rocket-type torpedo-carrying missile. The improved detection capability offered by a VDS and a torpedo-carrying missile, with a likely 20 km range, would significantly enhance the ASW capabilities of these ships.

Meanwhile, other photographs of one of the Type 054A frigates being fitted out at Huangpu shipyard show that an 11-barrelled 30 mm close-in weapon system (CIWS) that is has been installed in place of the seven-barrelled Type 730 mounting installed on the other Type 054A frigates.

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A Type 054A frigate at Huangpu shipyard in Guangzhou is being fitted with an 11-barrelled 30 mm CIWS in place of the seven-barrelled Type 730 mounting installed on the other Type 054A frigates. (via HSH website)

This appears to be the same Type 1130 CIWS installed on the aircraft carrier Liaoning. The mounting has 2 drum shaped canisters each side of the gun barrels compared to one on the Type 730. These are likely to contain the magazines, potentially doubling the ready-use ammunition.


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VDS...... nightmare to sub. But in warm water like our waters, its not too efective, but better than hull mounted sonar
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Sep 3 2014, 08:40 AM)
Heads up for LTZ, more china towed sonar ships
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some more 054A got ASROC missile on vls ....
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VDS...... nightmare to sub. But in warm water like our waters, its not too efective, but better than hull mounted sonar
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South China Sea quite big also warm water ?

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 3 2014, 09:26 AM)
South China See quite big also warm water ?
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As long as along the equator......its a warm. During monsoon it will be a little bit cold from surface up to 60m. Other than that its always warm....good habitat for sharks
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uuihh mess baru..

saya melaporkan diri tuan!

on the hindsight

bila la bule tengok rondaan dari PUTD macam ni

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 3 2014, 10:08 AM)
uuihh mess baru..

saya melaporkan diri tuan!

on the hindsight

bila la bule tengok rondaan dari PUTD macam ni

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I heard our marin c8rps will gt tis aite?♡
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QUOTE(onlyme&you @ Sep 2 2014, 11:44 PM)
mana pictures from merdeka parade???
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Bole tgk sini sket..

https://www.facebook.com/iwan.shafiee/media...31291711&type=1

Weh dh nak LIMA ni xde update baru MRCA ke
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QUOTE(aztechx @ Sep 3 2014, 01:20 PM)
Bole tgk sini sket..

https://www.facebook.com/iwan.shafiee/media...31291711&type=1

Weh dh nak LIMA ni xde update baru MRCA ke
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RABU, 3 SEPTEMBER 2014 @ 10:03 AM
BH Bongkar: Armada Tua

Putrajaya: Agensi Penguatkuasaan Maritim Malaysia (APMM) ibarat kedai besi buruk, kebanyakan aset dimilikinya dikatakan sudah berusia dan tidak mampu mengejar penjenayah di laut.

Malah, daripada 245 bot dan kapal dimilikinya, lebih 80 peratus dikatakan sudah melepasi had usia 15 tahun dengan 15 daripadanya sudah mencecah usia hampir 50 tahun. Kerajaan juga terpaksa berbelanja besar setiap tahun untuk membaik pulihnya.

Timbalan Pengarah APMM (Operasi), Laksamana Maritim Datuk Ahmad Fuzi Ab Kahar, berkata kos pembaikan sebuah kapal dan bot boleh mencecah di antara RM3 juta hingga RM15 juta, bergantung kepada saiz dan kapasiti enjinnya.

Lebih menyukarkan keadaan, katanya, ada aset yang alat gantinya sudah tidak dikeluarkan lagi atau sukar diperoleh.
News LINK

Apmm ship in news also give by Custom Australia。
bukan saja APMM,Polis, ATM juga banyak aset yang lama.

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QUOTE(nikita zuleica @ Sep 3 2014, 10:18 AM)
I heard our marin c8rps will gt tis aite?♡
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in one of the original plan is
LDP, LCAC, AAV and super cobra iinm hmm.gif

but that is back then when ATM first rumored to establish about marine
last year or earlier this year

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 3 2014, 04:03 PM)
in one of the original plan is
LDP, LCAC, AAV and super cobra iinm  hmm.gif

but that is back then when ATM first rumored to establish about marine
last year or earlier this year

wa nak VIPER!
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kalau nak semua tu in one package, US punya bulu kening sudah naik tahap bulan macam ini brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif

btw, still dunno who will operate the marine, not sure atm or tldm or a separate branch by itself

LDP sure most likely controlled by the navy because that what they want since log ago, just the LCAC, AAV, and super cobra siapa?
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 3 2014, 01:34 PM)
News LINK

Apmm ship in news also give by Custom Australia。
bukan saja APMM,Polis, ATM juga banyak aset yang lama.
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Most of this smugglers got connection with local politicians. So it's in their bezt interest not to give APMM top of the line equipments.
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Edit: Wrong intel

Anyway,new thread ahoy!

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 3 2014, 04:18 PM)
Ehh...Why Chinese ship carrying 2 rusty old Soviet Akula subs?  brows.gif

Anyway,new thread ahoy!
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more like russian navvy

http://www.asiandefencenews.com/2014/08/ru...ossy-akula.html
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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 3 2014, 04:25 PM)
Ya I admit,wrong intel.... sweat.gif

Dutch Heavy Lift Vessel "Transshelf" in loading process of K-391 "Bratsk" and K-295 "Samara", 2 SSN Project 971, "Shuka-B" (Akula Class), in Vilyuchinsk, Kamchatka Krai, Russian Far East, for transport to Severodvinsk, on 23 August 2014. Photo by Igor Kravchuk
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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 3 2014, 04:08 PM)
kalau nak semua tu in one package, US punya bulu kening sudah naik tahap bulan macam ini brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif

btw, still dunno who will operate the marine, not sure atm or tldm or a separate branch by itself

LDP sure most likely controlled by the navy because that what they want since log ago, just the LCAC, AAV, and super cobra siapa?
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heh, US wanted to give us that because they wanted to piss one particular country off

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heh, US wanted to give us that because they wanted to piss one particular country off
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we also tip top around because our relationship with tat particular country whistling.gif

anyway, marine is not much a threat to them in my opinion.. more warships and air defend weapons. Then tat will really pissed them off

Imagine, not able to come close without being scared something could pop up and blast a hole on their ship or down a plane laugh.gif

or naval station at south china sea whistling.gif

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uuihh mess baru..

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The UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) has awarded a £3.5bn contract to General Dynamics (GD) UK for the delivery of Scout Specialist Vehicle (SV) platforms to the national army.

Under the contract, the company will supply a total of 589 vehicles in six variants to provide essential capability to the Armoured Cavalry within Army 2020.

The variants include scout reconnaissance, equipment support repair, equipment and support recovery, command and control, protected mobility reconnaissance support (PMRS) variants and engineer reconnaissance variants.

The contract also covers the provision of initial in-service support and training and will create up to 1,300 jobs across the programme's UK supply chain, with 300 alone at the company's Oakdale facility.


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We shud srsly get whidbey class from america i thot i read some time back that they were gonna decomm the whidbey from 2013?? Good capabilities plus not that old
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it is safe to speculate that when the marine is established then the asset will be made known
plus the ATM are now focusing on the establishment of another division and the original marine plan is more to the Royal Marine small focus group rather then a larger infantry group like the US


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Putd terbang....
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heh, terigt pulak cite bapak aku anak2 buah dia pernah bergaduh ngan bebudak PUTD
antara ejekan geng2 ni PUTD = Perasan Udara Tapi Darat laugh.gif

datang bapak aku semua sumbat dalam satu guard room
bila kluar jadik member pulak sweat.gif
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 3 2014, 07:35 PM)
Ya subs is best chance in a war with that particular country since everything gonna get sunk in first few days.. Some time back i talked about enlarging pulau layang layang into small town and navy base but everybody say bad idea cuz damage reef, but i think heck care reef la, naval base much more useful when the oil money start flowing biggrin.gif
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Im not very knowledgeable in military strategy/tactics but may I know what is the use of a naval base there? It's not going to be very defensible, sitting alone in the middle of the sea. Can't they just shoot missiles at it if we really go to war? Our own land is not that far away, so it's not like there is a big advantage in power projection that can be added with this base (unlike for the PRC where their own mainland bases are so far away). Maybe as an observation post and/or as a marker for our claim to this area are the main purposes I can think of for having it.

Thank you for any reply and sorry if this seems naive.
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QUOTE(RobUlstan @ Sep 3 2014, 08:02 PM)
Im not very knowledgeable in military strategy/tactics but may I know what is the use of a naval base there? It's not going to be very defensible, sitting alone in the middle of the sea. Can't they just shoot missiles at it if we really go to war? Our own land is not that far away, so it's not like there is a big advantage in power projection that can be added with this base (unlike for the PRC where their own mainland bases are so far away). Maybe as an observation post and/or as a marker for our claim to this area are the main purposes I can think of for having it.

Thank you for any reply and sorry if this seems naive.
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 3 2014, 08:16 PM)
But it can ensure that any attempted takeover will result in war and probably serve to deter china from attempting to take over because even tho they are a lot stronger they would still want to avoid war so their economy is stable. Otherwise theres a chance we'll end up like philippines getting their islands stolen without any fire
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Any attempt at takeover on the existing base will already result in war. I don't think making it bigger will have any impact in terms of making it a deterrence if they really want war with us already.
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 3 2014, 08:38 PM)
But if we have base there we can hit mainland china with sukhois, currently we cant hit it no matter where our planes takeoff, maybe that chance of getting hit will change things a bit??
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Notwithstanding the pro/cons of attacking mainland China, as mentioned we already have base there (and there's an airstrip as well already). Don't see the reason of enlarging it as you proposed.
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Cant operate fighter jets... Maybe just enlarge the runway and facilities?? A real navy base imo is not needed too, maybe just a refuelling stopover??
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I do not know what are the capabilities available currently. Maybe someone here more knowledgeable can add some input.
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there is a thread about pulau layang layang (Swallow Reef)

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...hl=pulau+layang


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But if we have base there we can hit mainland china with sukhois, currently we cant hit it no matter where our planes takeoff, maybe that chance of getting hit will change things a bit??
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don't think to much, we got ability to attack china.... few year more they event can send Aircraft Carrier to here.
event using sukhois also can't flight to china and come back distance more than 4000km 2 way range from layang-layang.
we zero capability to defense china missile attack all our city. some more air-force/navy base. our navy ship event small than there Coast Guard ship.
If can become asean top military power .... than should be very good already.

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The Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) will conduct the first live firings of Kh-31A anti-ship and Kh-31P anti-radiation missiles (AS-17 'Krypton') from its Sukhoi Su-30MKM fighters during a joint exercise with Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN) in the South China Sea this month.

The Kh-31 firings against a sea target will take place in a designated part of the South China Sea routinely used by the RMN for firing practice.

The exact location of the firing area is unknown but military sources confirmed that it is well away from the disputed Spratly Islands to avoid provoking other claimants.

The RMN will also conduct live firings of MBDA MM40 Exocet anti-ship missiles and Seawolf surface-to-air missiles from its ships and MBDA Sea Skua missiles from RMN Super Lynx helicopters.


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^ Will this get recorded and released for public viewing like other missile firings we've seen to date?

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Since its already released...thats why I asked u guys the ARM used by cik su.
Its all part of exs taming sari after the angsa. Quite a complicated event where warships & MPA need to conduct range clearance on big area to ensure its safe from other merchant & plane b4 missile is fired.

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Since its already released...thats why I asked u guys the ARM used by cik su.
Its all part of exs taming sari after the angsa. Quite a complicated event where warships & MPA need to conduct range clearance on big area to ensure its safe from other merchant & plane b4 missile is fired.
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first time?
ni bukan seken time ka?
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China upgrades its elderly Type-59 tanks that were built in the 1960s up to the Type-59G standard. The upgrade package includes a new turret based on the modern Type-96 tank, a new 120mm smoothbore gun with a semi-auto loader capable of firing various type of shells and tube-launched ATGMs, new ballistic FCS computer with laser rangefinder,a second-generation night vision sighting system and new modular armor package. As a further upgrade option the tank can be installed with a new power package system, either with a 750 or a 800 horsepower engine.

The upgrade package will take this Type-59 variant close in performance and firepower to third-generation tanks such as the Russian T-80, German Leopard 1 and US M60. The upgrade is aimed at lower-tier armed forces seeking a rugged, easily handled tank with a lower cost. Currently armed forces besides the PLA that operates these tanks are Tanzania (30 tanks in service,further purchases are still being discussed) and Bangladesh (300 ordered, unknown how many delivered as of now). The PLA still have about 5,000 Type 59 tanks in service,albeit mostly in reserve units and in storage. It is as yet unknown how many of its Type 59s will be upgraded to Type 59G standard.

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Why so much hate for PRC?

For me, Malaysia & China have a very good 'special relationship', diplomatically and economically. Last year Malaysia-China trade reached 160 Billion USD, the biggest Chinese trading partner in South-east Asia for the last half-decade. I think it would take a lot to damage Malaysia-China relations, short of a PLA landing in Kota Bahru.

Then again, Malaysian claims on the Spratly Islands are not as extensive as Vietnam and The Philippines, so the Malaysian reaction to any Chinese actions is understandably understated. A few words on the diplomatic channels (official & backdoor) should be enough to settle any potential trouble & misunderstandings, without the kicking and screaming of some countries (and the potential fallout).

As our esteemed MENHAN has eloquently put it regarding the conflict of Japan, US and The Philippines have against China during ASEAN meeting in Bandar Seri Begawan in 2013: “Just because you have enemies, doesn’t mean your enemies are my enemies”

News Link: Malaysia split on ASEAN policy on Chinese aggression in South China Sea

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Indonesia to launch TNI-AL 'leopard carrier' LST

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Indonesian shipbuilder PT Daya Radar Utama (PT DRU) will launch a 120 m indigenously produced logistics support ship for the Indonesian Navy (Tentera Nasional Indonesia - Angkatan Laut: TNI-AL) on 5 September, a company official has confirmed to IHS Jane's .

Dubbed a 'leopard carrier' landing ship tank (LST) by the TNI-AL, the vessel had previously been in danger of missing its planned October 2014 commissioning deadline, after a shipyard visit by Indonesia's Defence Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro on 28 June revealed that the LST was still in build with its hull surrounded by scaffolding.

"Against the odds, we have been giving our best towards the construction of the ship to ensure that it will be paraded in time for the Indonesian National Armed Forces Day celebration in Surabaya on 5 October," said Edy Wiyanto, PT DRU's general manager for production, in an interview with IHS Jane's on 1 September.


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first time?
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First time according to what I was told, last time RMAF fire at sea from Sukhois was guided bombs if that's what you're referring to
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Dr Ng Eng Hen (left) unveiling the plaque at the inauguration ceremony of the RSAF’s new Advanced Jet Trainer, the Alenia Aermacchi M-346 aircraft.

SINGAPORE - The Republic of Singapore Air Force's (RSAF) new Advanced Jet Trainer, the Alenia Aermacchi M-346 aircraft, was inaugurated into 150 Squadron at Cazaux Air Base in France on Wednesday afternoon.

Minister for Defence Dr Ng Eng Hen officiated the ceremony.

Speaking at the ceremony, Dr Ng emphasised the significant role of the M-346 aircraft in training the RSAF's next generation of fighter aircrew efficiently and effectively.

Noting how the M-346 aircraft allows for sophisticated simulations of modern aircraft environments, Dr Ng said: "It allows our trainee pilots to be able to be exposed to air combat environments within the cockpit - they can be simulated, as in handling electronic warfare systems, multi-mode radar and Beyond Visual Range missiles, early in their training. And I think this will enhance the quality and realism of our flying training, and allow us to produce fighter aircrew that are well-equipped to operate current and future fighter platforms."

The RSAF acquired the M-346 aircraft in 2010 as part of the Advanced Jet Trainer programme to replace the A-4SU Super Skyhawk, and took delivery of the first aircraft in 2012. To date, 150 Squadron has received the full fleet of 12 M-346 aircraft.

RSAF said in a press statement that the inauguration of the M-346 aircraft into 150 Squadron "underscores the importance of the RSAF's overseas training in honing its operational readiness and professionalism, and in enhancing both professional and personal interactions with other armed forces".

Dr Ng also commended RSAF personnel for their professionalism and dedication to their training, and expressed confidence that they would continue to push the training envelope to produce the next generation of world class fighter aircrew for a first class air force.

The RSAF's training in France, which began in 1998, has also enhanced the strong and broad-based defence relationship between France and Singapore, RSAF added.


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No Mistral for Russia...

http://video.newsbeatsocial.com/watch/0_0xb8848v

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QUOTE(dzirhan @ Sep 4 2014, 10:49 AM)
First time according to what I was told, last time RMAF fire at sea  from Sukhois was guided bombs if that's what you're referring to
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if I can recall correctly, the surface missile test on the Malacca Straits?
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Mistral for malaysia biggrin.gif haha impossible
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Mistral for malaysia biggrin.gif haha impossible
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Russia wont be too happy about this. Even if we buy.

No money woh... 1.7billion makan our whole budget ad for next rmk
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just postponed only, france can't afford to lose 1.2 billion euro。
but now need to wait Russia reaction, i think will be strong.
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KOTA KINABALU: Malaysian security forces shot and captured a suspected Filipino intruder in a standoff with eight boatmen in separate pump boats in waters off Pulau Bakungan Kecil that borders southern Philippines.

Soldiers from the Eastern Sabah Security Command (Esscom) were forced to shoot one of the intruders and sink his boat when he threatened to attack them after they were trying to sneak into Sabah’s waters from neighbouring Philippines island of Bakungan Besar at about 1.45pm on Wednesday.

However, seven other intruders immediately fled in their pump boats back into Philippines waters while the 22-year-old suspect has been admitted to the Duchess of Kent Hospital for treatment of gunshot wounds.

Esscom commander Datuk Abdul Rashid Harun said Thursday that prior to the shooting, soldiers had intercepted eight pump boats heading towards Pulau Selingan in Sandakan.

He said they fired three warning shots at them to warn them to surrender. However, only two of them turned back while six others remained in defiance.

“One of them suddenly flashed a parang at security forces, prompting an attack from our side,” he said Thursday.

Abdul Rashid said the suspect was shot and his boat sank in the incident. He was later caught and brought to the hospital for treatment.

“Investigations on the suspect’s background is being carried out,” he said in adding that security forces will continue strengthening security and prevent intrusion in the 10 districts under the Eastern Sabah Security Zone.

The 10 districts are Kudat, Kota Marudu, Pitas, Beluran, Sandakan, Kinabatangan, Lahad Datu, Kunak, Semporna and Tawau.


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SANDAKAN: Security forces fired at a pump boat that had encroached into Malaysian waters off Sabah yesterday and arrested an injured man armed with a machete who was in the vessel.

Eastern Sabah Security Command (ESSCom) commander DCP Datuk Abdul Rashid Harun said today the man, who was injured in the left calf and right hand, was taken to Pulau Bakungan Kecil for first aid and then sent to the Duchess of Kent Hospital here.

The boat was one of eight that had encroached into Malaysian waters on their way from Pulau Bakungan Besar in the Philippines to Pulau Selingan located 25 kilometres from Sandakan at 1.45 pm, he said.

"The suspect is in stable condition," he said in a statement.

Abdul Rashid said soldiers deployed in Pulau Bakungan Kecil came to know that several boats from Pulau Bakungan Besar in the Philippines were headed to Pulau Selingan, and six soldiers rushed to the location in a boat.

"At the location, the soldiers saw eight pump boats in Malaysian waters with one person aboard each of the vessels," he said.

Abdul Rashid said the soldiers fired three warning shots into the air to chase away the boats but only two vessels turned back to the Philippines.

"The boatmen mocked the soldiers and one of the boats with a man armed with a machete approached the soldiers' vessel. The soldiers fired in self-defence," he said.

Abdul Rashid said an investigation was initiated to find out where the intruders were from and that ESSCom had stepped up security in the Eastern Sabah Security Zone (ESSZone). - BERNAMA


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Bro.....klu post dlm military thread ni kita2 je baca.....ko try buat new thread psl ni tgk ape reaksi org...... dan aku rase aku boleh expect klu melibatkan kejayaan security forces.
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Bro.....klu post dlm military thread ni kita2 je baca.....ko try buat new thread psl ni tgk ape reaksi org...... dan aku rase aku boleh expect klu melibatkan kejayaan security forces.
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Bro.....klu post dlm military thread ni kita2 je baca.....ko try buat new thread psl ni tgk ape reaksi org...... dan aku rase aku boleh expect klu melibatkan kejayaan security forces.
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Dah tembak?

Target. Container barge ?
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Msia camo is not there.. huhu.. cry.gif

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Dah tembak?

Target.  Container barge ?
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Ini tembak pilak
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Bro.....klu post dlm military thread ni kita2 je baca.....ko try buat new thread psl ni tgk ape reaksi org...... dan aku rase aku boleh expect klu melibatkan kejayaan security forces.
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Sep 4 2014, 01:23 PM)
Biar je post kat sini.. less troll and cave pipul
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I expect reactions to vary somewhere along "Aiya, more intrusions ah? What these people doing one? Also do they really need to shoot dat guy????"

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In fact i m lagi happy if all our patrol boats are equip with vulcan gatling gun. let them eat those leads.
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Biar je post kat sini.. less troll and cave pipul
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Ini tembak pilak
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Pilak tak kesah... central gov bodoh, dont want give permission to shoot..

Like seeing a robber rob but cant take any action than fire warning shots. Pilak know this and wave their hand like no problem. Politics at its highest

Asking thr exercise anyway. No gamber keluar yet. Boring tunggu.

But the 2009 used a stationary barge, just wonder have the navy try on moving target?
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pump boat tu apee?
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sampan with engine.
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 3 2014, 07:56 PM)
I believe the ATM got their own planning in this marine matter
it is safe to speculate that when the marine is established then the asset will be made known
plus the ATM are now focusing on the establishment of another division and the original marine plan is more to the Royal Marine small focus group rather then a larger infantry group like the US
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We already have similar to Royal Marine Commando in the form of 21 & 22 KDO.
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Sep 4 2014, 03:11 PM)
18 RAMD DI BUMI SABAH

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I like this. Pilak impression like< "Army, army everywhere.jpg".
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 4 2014, 03:21 PM)
Guys i alr add all the mmea asset onto wikipedia help edit the description column pls all the grammar wrong one biggrin.gif
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I dun think every asset needs a history column.. just tldr thing
Kudos for finding every asset picture though, not even rmn page is that complete
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Guys i alr add all the mmea asset onto wikipedia help edit the description column pls all the grammar wrong one biggrin.gif
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Drizhan .. 1st time i see u here. Any news about our mrca ?
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 4 2014, 01:17 PM)
ahh yes,
if I can recall correctly, the surface missile test on the Malacca Straits?
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Probably, they did twice for the LGBs that I know off, one off East Malaysia and then other one around peninsular but not sure exactly where
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Sep 4 2014, 02:45 PM)
We already have similar to Royal Marine Commando in the form of 21 & 22 KDO.
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Imagine a larger unit the same capability drool.gif

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Probably, they did twice for the LGBs that I know off, one off East Malaysia and then other one around peninsular but not sure exactly where
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I remember the one notices issue to the mariners to avoid certain parts of Malacca Straits due to this particular exercise
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Imagine a larger unit the same capability  drool.gif
I remember the one notices issue to the mariners to avoid certain parts of Malacca Straits due to this particular exercise
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Think Angsa 2012, saw highlight video of it and there was Astros firing, Harpoon and RMN missiles but not Sukhoi in it though it may have not appeared in video
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QUOTE(dzirhan @ Sep 4 2014, 04:49 PM)
Think Angsa 2012, saw highlight video of it and there was Astros firing, Harpoon and RMN missiles but not Sukhoi in it though it may have not appeared in video
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it was a long time ago
thanks for the clarification
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multicam (and its derivatives Scorpion W2/MTP seems popular).  hmm.gif  but i fancy cadpat. any idea where to get one?  biggrin.gif
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Bergelap tonight..... now in crisis time.
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Bergelap tonight..... now in crisis time.
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well, keep safe then. praying for the safety of for all personnel and civilian in areas involved (if any).
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well, keep safe then. praying for the safety of for all personnel and civilian in areas involved (if any).
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Dont worry.....it just part of exercise. Those live KK will realised this afternoon a fennec flew tactically around sepangar bay & a hawk fighter flew at high speed this evening above KK.
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based on these pics, safe to say ATM gonna launch a big operation against those illegal perkampungan air soon..no?
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most of the regular grunts got the molle-styled interceptor-like vest unlike the GOF personnel who got the regular vest

the molle loops is going to be used in the future(attachments for mags, etc). right now gotta make due with existing belt pouch LBEs

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So I hear our forces will do big naval drill off KK?? The way LTZ describe make my keyboard warrior blood excite

I wonder if atm will film the exercise so military fans can watch. They did that few years ago

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QUOTE(AxeFire @ Sep 5 2014, 12:54 AM)
So I hear our forces will do big naval drill off KK?? The way LTZ describe make my keyboard warrior blood excite

I wonder if atm will film the exercise so military fans can watch. They did that few years ago
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probably
LTZ, will navy gonna rakam the Jaws Itam shooting? brows.gif
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probably
LTZ, will navy gonna rakam the Jaws Itam shooting?  brows.gif
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rakam pasti ada.. the question will it released to the public?
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Not bad full scale exercise been done by all departments.

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MSPO 2014: TIGER Makes its Debut

During MSPO 2014 the French EC665 TIGER HAD assault helicopter made its Polish debut. The main reason for its arrival in Poland is the Polish Kruk project, which aims to procure 30-32 new assault helicopters for the Polish Army. It will replace aging Mi-24D/W helicopters. According to Poland’s Ministry of National Defence (MoND), Kruk is one of the most important modernisation projects of the Polish Armed Forces. This programme was sped up in 2014 as a result of the Ukrainian crisis and emerging threat near Polish borders. According to the initial strategy, Poland wanted to acquire a new helicopter in 2020. Now the MoND wants a new generation helicopter in service two or three years earlier.

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The TIGER shown in Poland had desert camouflage and SPIKE-ER anti-tank missiles. It arrived from a factory of Airbus Helicopters in Marigne. During MSPO 2014, the TIGER HAD was presented by French personnel of 1er Régiment d’Hélicoptères de Combat. The French were the first to deploy those helicopters in combat conditions – in July 2009 three helicopters were sent to Afghanistan (until 2013). Later they were used in Libya and Mali.

As for the Kruk project, it is believed that the first tranche will cover 12 helicopters and the process of acquisition might even be launched this year, which will allow them to replace Mi-24Ds. The remaining 20 helicopters might be acquired by 2022.

Among potential contenders are: AgustaWestland AW129 MANGUSTA, TAI T129 ATAK, Bell AH-1Z COBRA, Boeing AH-64E GUARDIAN(with AH-6i) and the above-mentioned EC665 TIGER.

It was not the only helicopter presented during MSPO 2014. Visitors had an opportunity to see all three helicopters offered in a tender for 70 multi-role helicopters for the Polish Armed Forces: Airbus Helicopters EC-725 Caracal, AgustaWestland AW-149 and two Sikorsky’s BLACK HAWKs: one UH-60L BLACK HAWK of US Army and one manufactured in Poland’s Mielec S-70i International HAWK. A contract with the winner should be signed in early 2015. Deliveries should start from 2016.


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Anyone knows what variant of M4 is this? Use by PASKAU if I'm not mistaken.

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Anyone knows what variant of M4 is this? Use by PASKAU if I'm not mistaken.

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it look like AR15 assault rifle ...

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Sep 4 2014, 06:43 PM)
Bergelap tonight..... now in crisis time.
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action station, action station

QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Sep 4 2014, 07:03 PM)
based on these pics, safe to say ATM gonna launch a big operation against those illegal perkampungan air soon..no?
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dah start dah, sekali dengan JPN dan Imigration
they will start to relocated real Malaysian to a new housing project and the Water Village will be no more

QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 5 2014, 01:25 AM)
Not bad full scale exercise been done by all departments.
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Mistral ships may can't be delivered to Russia due to sanction onto them for Ukraine crisis
would the French be desperate to sell those Mistral at a cheaper price? and will M'sia be interested? hmm.gif
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Mistral ships may can't be delivered to Russia due to sanction onto them for Ukraine crisis
would the French be desperate to sell those Mistral at a cheaper price? and will M'sia be interested?  hmm.gif
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Not will not deliver

Hold delivery until november as on the contract. Supposedly earlier delivery, now delay the delivery and see what will happen before making any futher decision on france side.

If decided to not deliver, russian can sue for contract violation and still get the ship. France cant afford to lose the contract either way. If they dont deliver they won't get paid and russia will sue them also
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QUOTE(Dreadstar @ Sep 5 2014, 03:55 PM)
bcoz maybe too big for us. we dun have enuf man power and $$$ to maintain. last time we interested in scale down version dokdo. or mini dokdo... dunno what happen still in limbo
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I have been onboard....and its really big. Bigger than previous french aircraft carrier (cant remember the name).
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Sep 5 2014, 03:57 PM)
I have been onboard....and its really big. Bigger than previous french aircraft carrier (cant remember the name).
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U mean the Clemenceau?

maybe we can move slowly and first get smaller or even 2nd hand vessel for the Marines..
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i just realised dokdo quite cheap 200m plus why we no get
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that price is 10 year a go, price now at lease 350 mil each.

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 5 2014, 04:25 PM)
U mean the Clemenceau?

maybe we can move slowly and first get smaller or even 2nd hand vessel for the Marines..
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I think so....it was decommissioned already that time when I was in france for sub training. Both ships just sit side by side. DCNS brought us the submariners on board when mistral still under construction. That time DCNS really want us to buy....even brought our previous chief of navy on board.
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 5 2014, 04:43 PM)
still cheap compared to most other lhd or even lpd becos korean

btw what happen to kedah upgrade?? anybody know if it really upgrade what will be installed??
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i more like China Type 071 LPD,more suitable for RMN. LPH more operation cost and helicopter cost.

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is been a while i post in here, but to operate dokdo we need another ship/frigate to cover wide area of airspace something in the mould of FREMM-ER.

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hey ltz do u know if we need to know good malay if we want to be air force pilot??
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Pilot training no problem....all in english. But basic military u will deal with instructors whose not all have good english command.
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Iirc the price tag of usd300mil are without it sensor and defense system and so on.
it basically price tag for the hull alone.
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Rather than get a lhd dokdo class.
it is better we get 2 lpd and 3 lst.
ATHLAS 13000 is what I reckon.
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 5 2014, 04:50 PM)
hey ltz do u know if we need to know good malay if we want to be air force pilot??
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Just the basic military training in malay, flight school all in english
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Iirc the price tag of usd300mil are without it sensor and defense system and so on.
it basically price tag for the hull alone.
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Seoul is investing about $560 million in the procurement of the eight helicopters(AW159). Each of them will be equipped with a Flash dipping sonar, provided by Thales, and anti-submarine torpedoes. The helicopter will be equipped for anti-submarine warfare, surface attack, maritime surveillance and search and rescue missions. Apart from the sonar, torpedoes and missiles it will also carry a maritime surveillance radar and electro-optical payload, which will also support the weapon system. Deliveries will take place in 2015 and 2016.
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Cost usd 70 million for each AW159 with thales Flash Dipping sonar .. so expensive the system, (if Nh90, maybe around 90+ million)
it look like seahawk have better chance.

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speaking abt south korean, they also gonna make their brand new medium lift helo to replace the bulk of huey in their inventory.JV with eurocopter methink

maybe RMAF should look into these as nuri replacement
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I not sure wther the navy would prefer the flat top version like the mistral or dokdo or more ship like design with submersible well deck. During the MALUX AMPHEX 2014, i am sure the navy get to see the diff of those when USS Makin Island and other support ships arrived smile.gif

Personally, i would prefer the flat top version because it would be more capable on the long run and it more function for the future marine plan. Able to deploy more attack or asw helicopters and amphibious vehicles

BTW LTZ

What is the actual MPSS requirements, alot of mix information on the requirements hmm.gif

1) some say 2 unit, while some say 3 unit (Bernama report 3 unit, Link)

2) some say ~8000ton while others say RMN might consider a full-size (14000 ton) version based on cost and future requirements link

3) Some say the requirements changed ever since the marine plan take full swing ( Attack helo, asw heli, lcac and aav have to be included in the deal) - logic juga buy amphibious ship but not equipments inside tongue.gif

All the "some say", what is your comment?

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I not sure wther the navy would prefer the flat top version like the mistral or dokdo or more ship like design with submersible well deck. During the MALUX AMPHEX 2014, i am sure the navy get to see the diff of those when USS Makin Island and other support ships arrived  smile.gif

Personally, i would prefer the flat top version because it would be more capable on the long run and it more function for the future marine plan. Able to deploy more attack or asw helicopters and amphibious vehicles

BTW LTZ

What is the actual MPSS requirements, alot of mix information on the requirements hmm.gif

1) some say 2 unit, while some say 3 unit (Bernama report 3 unit, Link)

2) some say ~8000ton while others say RMN might consider a full-size (14000 ton) version based on cost and future requirements link

3) Some say the requirements changed ever since the marine plan take full swing ( Attack helo, asw heli, lcac and aav have to be included in the deal) - logic juga buy amphibious ship but not equipments inside  tongue.gif

All the "some say", what is your comment?
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Sori bro....although I am in navy, I am not that aware of this. Its still within mindef plan.

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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 5 2014, 05:35 PM)
I not sure wther the navy would prefer the flat top version like the mistral or dokdo or more ship like design with submersible well deck. During the MALUX AMPHEX 2014, i am sure the navy get to see the diff of those when USS Makin Island and other support ships arrived  smile.gif

Personally, i would prefer the flat top version because it would be more capable on the long run and it more function for the future marine plan. Able to deploy more attack or asw helicopters and amphibious vehicles

BTW LTZ

What is the actual MPSS requirements, alot of mix information on the requirements hmm.gif

1) some say 2 unit, while some say 3 unit (Bernama report 3 unit, Link)

2) some say ~8000ton while others say RMN might consider a full-size (14000 ton) version based on cost and future requirements link

3) Some say the requirements changed ever since the marine plan take full swing ( Attack helo, asw heli, lcac and aav have to be included in the deal) - logic juga buy amphibious ship but not equipments inside   tongue.gif

All the "some say", what is your comment?
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 5 2014, 05:33 PM)
if i study in singapore since young to pre uni can go rmaf?? my malay only got very basic cos i learn in singapore sekolah menengah, sekolah cina summore
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Not like the army wants everybody to super understand malay, basic command is there cukup lar
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 5 2014, 05:29 PM)
just found on internet
Cost usd 70 million for each AW159 with thales Flash Dipping sonar .. so expensive the system, (if Nh90, maybe around 90+ million)
it look like seahawk have better chance.
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Ok lar tu.
seahawk flyaway cost how much?

nh90 too many problem I would stay away from its.
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Sep 5 2014, 05:43 PM)
Sori bro....although I am in navy, I am not that aware of this. Its still within mindef plan.
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tat when u visited mistral, the navy chief ada tunjuk interest tak? laugh.gif laugh.gif

again some say mistral is under heavy consideration because our past trading with DCNS and easier system integration but price tag abit mahal, - Bousted

then dokdo come in, cheaper and almost same capabilities and plus equip with US defence equipments( Only the hulls is korean, the rest sensors and defense system are provided the by US based on current dokdo class installation) - NGVTECH

then china type 071 come in, even cehaper laugh.gif - ini gua tak tahu siapa akan bina

lagi lama, lagi i pun tak tahu apa mindef tengah plan ni... sweat.gif

It more like Boustead VS NGVTech, siapa akan dapat contract tongue.gif

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tat when u visited mistral, the navy chief ada tunjuk interest tak?  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

again some say mistral is under heavy consideration because our past trading with DCNS and easier system integration but price tag abit mahal, - Bousted

then dokdo come in, cheaper and almost same capabilities and plus equip with US defence equipments( Only the hulls is korean, the rest sensors and defense system are provided the by US based on current dokdo class installation) - NGVTECH

then china type 071 come in, even cehaper  laugh.gif - ini gua tak tahu siapa akan bina

lagi lama, lagi i pun tak tahu apa mindef tengah plan ni... sweat.gif

It more like Boustead VS NGVTech, siapa akan dapat contract tongue.gif
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Ngvtech proposed athlas 13000.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 5 2014, 06:05 PM)
Ngvtech proposed athlas 13000.
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dokdo was first proposed given the mou with the korean ship building company, ada send team evaluate

then only atlas reported when the mindef does no have enough $$$ to buy the dokso class

itu wat i dengar lah
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 5 2014, 05:33 PM)
if i study in singapore since young to pre uni can go rmaf?? my malay only got very basic cos i learn in singapore sekolah menengah, sekolah cina summore
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 5 2014, 05:33 PM)
if i study in singapore since young to pre uni can go rmaf?? my malay only got very basic cos i learn in singapore sekolah menengah, sekolah cina summore
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Just bear in mind as u lived in singapore b4.... 2 possibilities. What the intel dept will think about u, good & bad
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 5 2014, 05:55 PM)
Ok lar tu.
seahawk flyaway cost how much?

nh90 too many problem I would stay away from its.
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surprising internet search Mh-60R seahawk aka "Romeo" cost more expensive. specially integrated with Aegis ship cost 120+- million each, Denmark 71 million each look like without integrated datalink bcos no aegis ship.



"Australia received in January the first two of 24 Romeos it has agreed to purchase. The deal is valued at just under $3.2 billion. At least 11 will be delivered to the Royal Australian Navy in 2014, Jurgens said. Denmark has paid $686 million for nine MH-60Rs, which will begin production in 2014. Still, neither of those programs is scheduled to take Romeo production beyond 2018. Deliveries to Australia are slated to conclude even earlier in 2016.

The MH-60R is being pitched as interoperable with the Navy’s Aegis automatic threat detection system. Countries that purchase Romeos also benefit from Navy logistical support, training, product improvements and technical services. Those enticements did not stop South Korea from buying a rival helicopter to fulfill its requirement for a maritime operations helicopter.

After initially requesting the $1 billion sale of eight MH-60Rs, engines and maintenance equipment, South Korea instead awarded a contract to AgustaWestland, marking the first export of its AW159.

To further complicate matters Eurocopter — now Airbus — is offering the NFH-90, a multipurpose maritime helicopter with an integrated anti-submarine warfare capability, which further undercuts Sikorsky’s monopoly on the anti-submarine warfare market, Aboulafia said.

At least a dozen nations have purchased the multipurpose AW159 through 2013, but collapsing European defense budgets have undermined those marketing efforts, he said. "

full news : International Sales May Not Support Seahawk Production Past 2018
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anyone got good photos of handalan/jerung/sri tiga class fast attack craft?? rmn wiki page only left these no photos cos i cannot find good one
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China says 2 pilots died in aircraft carrier tests

BEIJING (AP) — Two Chinese test pilots were killed during development of the country's first aircraft carrier fighter wing, state media said, in a rare admission of problems with the hugely popular naval program.

The admission came in a report by the official Xinhua News Agency saying President Xi Jinping had signed an order awarding honorary titles to all pilots in the first squadron to conduct take-off and landing tests aboard the Liaoning, China's only aircraft carrier.

"Two test pilots of the squadron sacrificed their lives during the tests," the report said. No details were given.

The original Xinhua report ran Aug. 28, but went largely overlooked at the time. It was picked up by U.S. defense blogs and linked Friday to the blog of the U.S. Naval Institute.

Carrier flight operations are inherently risky, and the loss of two pilots is far from unusual. However, China's military still operates under a shroud of secrecy and no deadly accidents relating to the carrier had been reported at the time.

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China export version MBT-3000 tank.....new demo video。
They invite more than 30 country army to watch in Tank day, ready for export from 2015

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China says 2 pilots died in aircraft carrier tests

BEIJING (AP) — Two Chinese test pilots were killed during development of the country's first aircraft carrier fighter wing, state media said, in a rare admission of problems with the hugely popular naval program.

The admission came in a report by the official Xinhua News Agency saying President Xi Jinping had signed an order awarding honorary titles to all pilots in the first squadron to conduct take-off and landing tests aboard the Liaoning, China's only aircraft carrier.

"Two test pilots of the squadron sacrificed their lives during the tests," the report said. No details were given.

The original Xinhua report ran Aug. 28, but went largely overlooked at the time. It was picked up by U.S. defense blogs and linked Friday to the blog of the U.S. Naval Institute.

Carrier flight operations are inherently risky, and the loss of two pilots is far from unusual. However, China's military still operates under a shroud of secrecy and no deadly accidents relating to the carrier had been reported at the time.

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news may not collect, no confirm news or just translation issue. anyway test in ac fly is high risk.

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MBT-3000 tank.....new demo video。
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look like the hull from the T-series tank while the turret is the copy of American M1 front and British challenger sides
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“On 16th April 1996, I was on a routine rocket firing training flight with a squadron mate on an Aermacchi MB339A jet trainer. Our target was a rocky outcrop Island in the South China Sea. During one of the firing passes, the aircraft suffered serious flight control surface failure resulting in a spiral dive at 2000 feet AMSL. Split second decision to eject was made and both of us were saved by our Mk-IT-10F seats. Thanks to Martin-Baker's seat, we lived to tell our story. I was registered as the 4915th member of the Tie Club and my friend became the 4916th. We are proud (not by choice) to be part of an exclusive band of brothers whose lives were spared by seats with rocket packs."

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soon MiG will be retired. Wonder if she will move on to commercial aviation or fly the next batch of new jets

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look like the hull from the T-series tank while the turret is the copy of American M1 front and British challenger sides
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Very low mbt design, 52 tons only, ATM should invite them come to demo test in here...... or come to LIMA 2015.

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soon MiG will be retired. Wonder if she will move on to commercial aviation or fly the next batch of new jets
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she already transfer as instructor at RMAF pilot academic (i read news few month ago)

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she already transfer as instructor at RMAF pilot academic (i read news few month ago)
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The new ones will move into the new jets I guess

Next year will announce which jets will replace mig

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The new ones will move into the new jets I guess

Next year will announce which jets will replace mig
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One & only at present time.....yes. but, if one & only since TUDM establishment, no because there were more female fighter pilots b4 her
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During Subang International Air Carnival 2014, I asked one of the dudes at MiG simulator booth, and they said that she has already been transfered to C-130 since she got married. Expectant mothers shouldn't be flying fighter jets I guess.
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QUOTE(wanvadder @ Sep 6 2014, 08:53 PM)
During Subang International Air Carnival 2014, I asked one of the dudes at MiG simulator booth, and they said that she has already been transfered to C-130 since she got married. Expectant mothers shouldn't be flying fighter jets I guess.
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During training....she was so cool, pendiam je..... nampak confuse2 pun ade sbb tu kena buli je.....especially by saravanan & her husband.
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Very low mbt design, 52 tons only, ATM should invite them come to demo test in here...... or come to LIMA 2015.
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if u want low, i would prefer the K2 design, slight heavier by rough weight 55 ton and lower or higher its suspension height

Best of all, got cooperation with Turkey brows.gif brows.gif

plus side, it look bad ass compared to the traditional slope turret designt laugh.gif
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During training....she was so cool, pendiam je..... nampak confuse2 pun ade sbb tu kena buli je.....especially by saravanan & her husband.
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today no exercise?

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if u want low, i would prefer the K2 design, slight heavier by rough weight 55 ton and lower or higher its suspension height
Best of all, got cooperation with Turkey  brows.gif  brows.gif
plus side, it look bad ass compared to the traditional slope turret designt  laugh.gif
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today no exercise?
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k2 still higher than mbt3000, Arm suspension add cost and complexity/maintanance to MBT,got advantage and disadvantage.
not much MBT model if amry still want light MBT.
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 6 2014, 10:55 PM)
k2 still higher than mbt3000, Arm suspension add cost and complexity/maintanance to MBT,got advantage and disadvantage. 
not much MBT model if amry still want light MBT.
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K2 is 4th gen, mbt300 is 3rd gen laugh.gif of course it would be more complex or bigger plus more expensive blush.gif (most expensive tank)

if you want smaller, of course the other would be the Type 10. But by far, I still like the K2.



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Jangan persoal ambik type 10.
Type 10 ftw
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Jangan persoal ambik type 10.
Type 10 ftw
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K2 ftw... Type 10 impossible due to japan export ban brows.gif
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K2 ftw... Type 10 impossible due to japan export ban  brows.gif
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No more exports ban liao.
type 10 ftw.
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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 6 2014, 11:02 PM)
K2 is 4th gen, mbt300 is 3rd gen  laugh.gif  of course it would be more complex or bigger plus more expensive  blush.gif  (most expensive tank)

if you want smaller, of course the other would be the Type 10. But by far, I still like the K2.
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Korea normal,they own declare 4Gen only .....
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No more exports ban liao.
type 10 ftw.
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Just liffted, but they still have not decided what weapon they are willing to export out. The latest was to india ShinMaywa US-2.. csar version only

K2, big heavy, technology centric and advance comparable to france leclerc tank laugh.gif .

show of muscle flex.gif flex.gif flex.gif
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No more exports ban liao.
type 10 ftw.
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japan will open export for theyre made weapen. US also support this.

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 6 2014, 11:36 PM)
Korea normal,they own declare 4Gen only .....
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compared to the japan type 10 which also japan declare themselves 4th gen.. almost same capabilities
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compared to the japan type 10 which also japan declare themselves 4th gen.. almost same capabilities
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yes, i know ..... they have some 4gen feature, but overall industry say not full 4 Gen standard yet. it may suite korea/japan geographic/ environment/ weather.
too advance also it give more hard to sell oversea market. seems market still not accept this advance type MBT . maybe few year later. country more advance stage than army will accept it.

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 6 2014, 11:55 PM)
yes, i know ..... they have some 4gen feature, but overall industry say not full 4 Gen standard yet. it may suite korea/japan geographic/ environment/ weather.
too advance also it give more hard to sell oversea market. seems market still not accept this advance type MBT . maybe few year later. country more advance stage than army will accept it.
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sold to turkey ad? brows.gif brows.gif

the turret design will be diff only but the auto loader mechanism and the hull will based on the K2.
The only real major problem with the K2 compared to the type 10 would be it powerpack and transmission. Underpowered and unreliable

That why, Turkey was interested in the type 10 powerpack but Japan say dont want sweat.gif But tat was before the export ban lifted, now not sure how,
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sold to turkey ad?  brows.gif  brows.gif

the turret design will be diff only but the auto loader mechanism and the hull will based on the K2.
The only real major problem with the K2 compared to the type 10 would be it powerpack and transmission. Underpowered and unreliable

That why, Turkey was interested in the type 10 powerpack but Japan say dont want  sweat.gif  But tat was before the export ban lifted, now not sure how,
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wait and see ... and final spec .... still long wait ..
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wait and see ... and final spec .... still long wait ..
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M1A3 coming out soon. US say is gen 3++/4th, then we can do better comparison

Turbine engine suspected is to replaced with standard diesel (guess US canot tahan makan minyak like hell ad)

and possible return of the autoloader reducing crew to 3 man


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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 7 2014, 12:11 AM)
M1A3 coming out soon. US say is gen 3++/4th, then we can do better comparison

Turbine engine suspected is to replaced with standard diesel (guess US canot tahan makan minyak like hell ad)

and possible return of the autoloader reducing crew to 3 man
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actually for MBT turbine engine more high fuel consumption than diesel engine, M1A1 Turbine engine fuel consumtion 380L/100km vs Leopard 2A diesel engine just around 230L/100km.
but turbine have alot advantage, it get full engine power after turbine engine start, just like jet engine, good for acceleration and speed (good for battle) , disadvantage is more complex maintenance,high fuel consumption,hot engine, also low lifespan for Turbine engine。
but diesel engine only get full power at max rpm. in low speed, diesel engine get better fuel consumption.
it all about cost. us not border fuel cost/maintenance cost.

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actually for MBT turbine engine more high fuel consumption than diesel engine, M1A1 Turbine engine fuel consumtion 380L/100km vs Leopard 2A just around 230L/100km.
but turbine have alot advantage, it get full engine power after turbine engine start, just like jet engine, good for acceleration and speed,  disadvantage is more complex maintenance,high fuel consumption,hot engine, also low lifespan for Turbine engine。 
but diesel engine just get  full power at max rpm. in low speed, diesel engine get better fuel consumption. 
it all about cost. us not border fuel cost.
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the turbine T-80 was hated by the russian due to poor on site maintenance capabilities and kuat makan minyak, in end they swap for traditional diesel

US also canot afford ad, there on budget report back in 2012 iinm saying reduce on board time on M1 during training to lower fuel consumption. That why, get more tank simulator to replace real training
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the turbine T-80 was hated by the russian due to poor on site maintenance capabilities and kuat makan minyak, in end they swap for traditional diesel 

US also canot afford ad, there on budget report back in 2012 iinm saying reduce on board time on M1 during training to lower fuel consumption. That why, get more tank simulator to replace real training
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in 1970~2000, low oil cost so world military not much border fuel cost.
after 2005 world trend go for efficiency after price oil go up, yes, US also start cut cost, they mil budget not increasing, so have to cut military equipment or more efficiency equipment, also operation.

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got read news PM Najib said receive propose for Sea-base for esccom cost RM 200 million each.
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DAMEN construction progress of the Indonesian Navy's Sigma PKR 10514. (credit to the original uploader).

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do u guys have any videos of the merdeka parade?
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What happen to philippine frigate acquisition?? So long still no news??
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i remember few shipyard company shortlisted in 2nd round. anyway there usd 410 million budget for target 2 frigate with all system and support, maybe a bit Wishful thinking, maybe can, very old or built by 2nd level shipyard company with low spec (cheap price) or civilian hull.

pass 1st round shipyard
Navantia Sepi (RTR Ventures) of Spain,
South Korean contractors STX Offshore and Shipbuilding,
Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering Co. Ltd.
Hyundai Heavy Industries,

but news say Philipine accept 2 more to join bidding
India state-owned Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers, Ltd.
STX France

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Pics of PLA SF training with Russian SF in mechanized MOUT operations in a full-scale urban simulation training area at Zhurihe, Inner Mongolia.

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NORINCO unveils new MBT for export market

The Chinese defense firm NORINCO has unveiled a new advanced Gen 3 MBT, the MBT-3000. The tank,which is a development of the Type 99 MBT in PLA service,is said to have brought to the standard of advanced western gen 3 tank such as the Lepoard 2, Challenger 2 and LeClerc Main Battle Tanks.

The MBT-3000 is armed with a 125mm smoothbore cannon that can fire various shells and is able to fire tube-launched ATGMs. It is protected by a new ceramic armor set in modular 'bricks' to enhance flexibility. A new digital FCS computer, first seen on the Type-59G upgrade, is used in conjunction with an all-weather thermographic sighting system and the tank is fitted with a 1300hp turbodiesel engine.

The MBT-3000 is produced for the export market and some Middle eastern and African countries have shown an interest,although no confirmed orders are as yet been received by NORINCO.

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hey hey....what do we have here??

AH-64 Apache appears in China? I wonder where it came from?

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i think this picture was taken in ROC Taiwan..not PRC

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i think this picture was taken in ROC Taiwan..not PRC
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Edit: Just researched, car plate number is indeed PRC car plate style. So can safely be confirm this pic is taken in China.


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if so, i wonder why the US have not gone ape over this..there's a lot of secret material and technology inside an Apache

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The picture from last year. It's a mock model to be display in National Defense educational Base.
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Another unknown/weird acquisition, a Bundeswehr-marked Leopard 2A6 seen on a transport lorry somewhere in China. Some sources say it is a mock-up built on top of a Chinese tank chassis. Wonder what's the real story here?

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hey hey....what do we have here??

AH-64 Apache appears in China? I wonder where it came from?

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It's an old photo of a AH-64 Apache mock-up for a Chinese defence park.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-W9Gb75-n...40/PICtemp1.jpg

http://www.zhxww.net/zhnews4075/upfile/201...718101240-0.jpg

And another one in Beijing & China Aviation Museum:

http://www.lockonaviation.net/html/showphoto.php?id=893
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Singapore and Chinese Navies Conduct Bilateral Naval Exercise

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RSS Intrepid (background) participating in a bilateral naval exercise with Yulin.

The Republic of Singapore Navy (RSN) Formidable-class frigate RSS Intrepid and the People's Liberation Army (Navy) (PLA(N)) Jiangkai II-class frigate Yulin conducted a bilateral naval exercise today. The exercise comprised naval helicopter cross-deck landings, manoeuvring drills and gunnery firings.

Prior to the exercise, RSS Intrepid conducted a port call at Ma Xie Naval Base in Zhanjiang, China, from 30 August to 3 September 2014. During the port call, RSS Intrepid hosted a reception for personnel from the PLA(N) South Sea Fleet. In addition, personnel of both navies engaged in exercise planning and ship visits.

Chief of Navy Rear-Admiral Lai Chung Han was also in China for a working visit from 1 to 3 September 2014, in conjunction with the port call. He earlier met with the PLA(N)'s Political Commissar Admiral Liu Xiaojiang and Commander of PLA(N) South Sea Fleet Vice-Admiral Jiang Weilie in Beijing and Zhanjiang respectively.

Singapore and China enjoy warm and friendly defence ties. The professional and personal interactions at the leadership and working levels have enhanced mutual understanding and friendship between the RSN and the PLA(N).


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QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 8 2014, 11:06 AM)
It's an old photo of a AH-64 Apache mock-up for a Chinese defence park.
Pretty convincing mock-up,notwithstanding. Wonder if they ever decide to put in a flight system & engine and fly it around east China Sea just for sh*ts and giggles.

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Indonesian Navy KRI Bung Tomo (357) greeted & escorted by KRI Oswald Siahaan (354) as she arrives in Indonesian waters near Rondo Island.

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Pretty convincing mock-up,notwithstanding. Wonder if they ever decide to put in a flight system & engine and fly it around east China Sea just for sh*ts and giggles.
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From a far distance it looks pretty convincing. biggrin.gif

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From a far distance it looks pretty convincing. biggrin.gif
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Probably quite useful for trolling Japanese & ROC air defense systems. Some calls to the Pentagon would be made before the confusion could be cleared up.

Wouldn't surprise me though if China already have a good understanding on Apache capabilities, history shows some secret deals were made with certain countries. Notable was with Israel in the past regarding Israel selling some sensitive data including Patriot missile technology to China. I seem to recall last year Finnish authorities seized a British-flagged ship bound for Shanghai which had a hidden load of 69 Patriot missiles.
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TNI-AL expects delivery of 4 further Clurit-class missile boats by end of 2014

The Indonesian Navy (TNI-AL) expect the rest of the Clurit-class (KCR-40) missile boats to be completed by the end of 2014. Currently four boats are already in service at the Western fleet Command, KRI Clurit, KRI Kujang, KRI Beladau and KRI Alamang. Total contract is for 8 boats to be finished by the end of 2014 and an expected future order of 24 boats in total will be finalized.

The boats were made locally at PT Palindo Marine Industries, Batam with designers who were involved in the design of the Korean made Makassar-class LPD ships. The 43 meters, 250 Ton boats are armed with 2 x 20mm Denel/Viktor GI-2 cannons, 1x30mm AK-630 CIWS system and 2 Chinese-made C704 Anti-ship missiles and is designed to have a top speed of 30 knots.

The boats are crewed by 35 sailors and can be retrofitted to carry up to 13 Special Forces soldiers for clandestine and covert missions.

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KRI Clurit (641), the lead vessel of its class

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 8 2014, 12:07 PM)
Probably quite useful for trolling Japanese & ROC air defense systems. Some calls to the Pentagon would be made before the confusion could be cleared up.

Wouldn't surprise me though if China already have a good understanding on Apache capabilities, history shows some secret deals were made with certain countries. Notable was with Israel in the past regarding Israel selling some sensitive data including Patriot missile technology to China. I seem to recall last year Finnish authorities seized a British-flagged ship bound for Shanghai which had a hidden load of 69 Patriot missiles.
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Regrading Israel-China relation, well from this picture we know where the J-10 design influence was from. brows.gif

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Chinese delegation in front of the IAI Lavi prototype. Fourth man from right is Song Wencong - chief designer of the J-10.


Anyway without some secret deals there are the Chinese Cyber Hacking Troops that could do the job in getting classified & sensitive data. biggrin.gif

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Probably quite useful for trolling Japanese & ROC air defense systems. Some calls to the Pentagon would be made before the confusion could be cleared up.

Wouldn't surprise me though if China already have a good understanding on Apache capabilities, history shows some secret deals were made with certain countries. Notable was with Israel in the past regarding Israel selling some sensitive data including Patriot missile technology to China. I seem to recall last year Finnish authorities seized a British-flagged ship bound for Shanghai which had a hidden load of 69 Patriot missiles.
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patriot is an outdated system.. Israel are the ones that pointed out weakness to US. In fact, i wont be surprise, china get to know its weakness from Israel. Even not, there always their cyber-hacking team to snoop around American sensitive information brows.gif

But then again, it not surprising. China have also been speculated to sell secret to US via Israel, russian weapon secret especially ones that was co-developed between china and russia


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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 8 2014, 05:19 PM)
Guys do u all think buying kora class corvette from india is gd idea??  basically an enlarged version of vietnam molniya missile spam boat, 16 kh35 missile with 130km range, if conflict rly happen i think like 12 of these missile spam corvettes would be more scary than 6 sgpvs, and wikipedia say each ship 40million usd(wtf) but i think that is outdated prices and may or may not include weapons. and its indian, indian relationship w china not that good i think. so, gud idea??  biggrin.gif  brows.gif
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Old ship design liao, very old technology.
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 8 2014, 05:19 PM)
Guys do u all think buying kora class corvette from india is gd idea??  basically an enlarged version of vietnam molniya missile spam boat, 16 kh35 missile with 130km range, if conflict rly happen i think like 12 of these missile spam corvettes would be more scary than 6 sgpvs, and wikipedia say each ship 40million usd(wtf) but i think that is outdated prices and may or may not include weapons. and its indian, indian relationship w china not that good i think. so, gud idea??  biggrin.gif  brows.gif
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get Brahmos, there news news Indian is in talk with asean country including malaysia on potential Brahmos sale
Most likely the air launch variant since our MKM and MKI is almost similar and can be equid with little or not effort

This news was back in 2010, i dunno the plan is still on. Once Kedah class is armed with brahmos, we will have our anti-ship frigate brows.gif since the sgpv is mainly anti-sub variant

excoet is subsonic antiship, brahmos is supersonic. It nice to have diff combination of anti-ship system

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The missile stole center stage at Malaysia's Defense Services Asia exhibition, with high-profile potential customers including South Africa, Egypt, Oman, Brunei and other African and Middle Eastern countries.

Defense Talk reported this month that India was considering exporting the BrahMos to Chile, Brazil, South Africa and Indonesia. The keenest interest, however, has come from Malaysia, which is looking for a new weapons system to fit its Meko A100 Kedah class ships.

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BrahMos’s Market Promotion General Manager, Praveen Pathak, told KLS’s journalist that BrahMos has already been doing assessment on ship body of Meko 100. The result is BrahMos is suitable to be installed on it.

Currently, the Indian Navy has installed BrahMos on her naval ship with inclined launch style which is different from western style. Whether BrahMos could be installed in crossover style, Praveen Pathak answered that it is certainly no problem!

He said BrahMos has already done an assessment on it that there is no problem to develop crossover style launcher, BrahMos can be designed and integrated according to customer requirement. But, the problem now is Malaysian government hasn’t made any official requirement to install missile on NGPV.

BrahMos is a multipurpose supersonic anti-ship missile and suitable be installed on 500 ton, 1000 ton and 2000 ton above warships. There is no problem to integrate BrahMos into western standard ship. But, 500 ton missile fast attack boat is not suitable to install vertical launch BrahMos system.


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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 8 2014, 05:19 PM)
Guys do u all think buying kora class corvette from india is gd idea??  basically an enlarged version of vietnam molniya missile spam boat, 16 kh35 missile with 130km range, if conflict rly happen i think like 12 of these missile spam corvettes would be more scary than 6 sgpvs, and wikipedia say each ship 40million usd(wtf) but i think that is outdated prices and may or may not include weapons. and its indian, indian relationship w china not that good i think. so, gud idea??  biggrin.gif  brows.gif
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Actually in terms of military relationship we are a close partner with pakistan, which is a sworn enemy of india
Though we do get some valuable arms intel from india like the sukhoi
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2 JMSDF (Japan Navy) destroyers at sepangar base today..... soccer match this evening

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2 JMSDF (Japan Navy) destroyers at sepangar base today..... soccer match this evening
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which class?
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which class?
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I am expecting the question.....aku baca signal hari jumaat lepas so dah lupa nama ape..... but 2 different classes.
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I am expecting the question.....aku baca signal hari jumaat lepas so dah lupa nama ape..... but 2 different classes.
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baca signal?

u inside sub now kah? hmm.gif
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baca signal?

u inside sub now kah? hmm.gif
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No la....signal comes everyday. Even u are at harbour....... normally a week b4 foreign ships come, they will broadcast the signal to all personnel for info. RMN Ships at sea also will notice, at least they know where these foreign ships are heading to when they meet at sea.

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Sep 8 2014, 06:21 PM)
I am expecting the question.....aku baca signal hari jumaat lepas so dah lupa nama ape..... but 2 different classes.
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Probably Atago and Kongo class.
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 8 2014, 07:30 PM)
I think it would be better to have strategic partner like india more than pakistan bcos afterall india gonna be 3rd largest economy and much more weapons systems, plus ive always thought we were closer to india than pakistan
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that roles is most likely be turkey

we are closer to turkey compared to pakistan and india
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 8 2014, 07:31 PM)
Imagine what would happen if we hijack their sub at night and force the crew to teach us how to operate the sub then steal both subs haha biggrin.gif
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tat a declaration of war rolleyes.gif
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but turkey military industry seems small compared to india, economy oso sad.gif
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tat why turkey all joint venture

their tanks with korea, K2 Black Panther

AV8 and adnan is also join venture between turkey and FNSS

even SAM either china or russia

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tat why turkey all joint venture

their tanks with korea, K2 Black Panther

AV8 and adnan is also join venture between turkey and FNSS

even SAM either china or russia
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The Turkish new Altay MBT is based from the K2 Black Panther.

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Work on the Altay project began in August 2008 at the Otokar factory and is projected for completion in 2016. Otokar will develop four prototypes for testing. Altay will use the technology systems developed for the South Korean K2 MBT by Hyundai Rotem. Serial production will begin after successful testing of the prototypes. Turkey will own the design and intellectual property rights.

Altay main battle tank design and features

The tank will have a conventional layout. The power pack will be in the rear, driver seating in the front and fighting compartment in the middle. The loader will be on the left side of the turret, while the commander will sit on the right side of the turret. The gunner will sit on the same side as the commander but in a more forward and lower position.

Altay will have the stronger chassis characteristics of the K2 Black Panther MBT. It will have a re-designed Turkish turret and heavier armour than the K2. It will also have seven tracked wheels and a longer hull. A decision on the suspension system and other systems has yet to be finalised.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/altaymainbattletank/


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I don't think the K2 Black Panther is a JV between SK & Turkey. On the contrary the Turkish new Altay MBT is based from the K2 Black Panther.
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I saying JV as in joint development and purchase. The K2 is still not fully ready yet but field initial low production to satisfy public opinion whistling.gif , there still some teething issues. Part of the deals also again if i not mistaken is information sharing between turkey and SK armor development

iinm, their tank will be based on the K2 such as the hull and loader mechanism including parts of the fire control system

the turret will be indigenously designed including guns (Most likely licensed produced Rheinmetall L55 similar to the one on K2)

turkey was interested with the TYPE 10 engine pack but Japan does not want to export it. The original K2 engine pack still having transmission issues plus unreliable. Therefore, they still have to relies on germans MTU

QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 8 2014, 09:30 PM)
But imagine some country whole cbg come visit then we hijack, wat they can do biggrin.gif
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more of what we can do defend ourself if they send their forces come here
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I saying JV as in joint development and purchase. The K2 is still not fully ready yet but field initial low production to satisfy public opinion  whistling.gif , there still some teething issues. Part of the deals also again if i not mistaken is information sharing between turkey and SK armor development

iinm, their tank will be based on the K2 such as the hull and loader mechanism including parts of the fire control system

the turret will be indigenously designed including guns (Most likely licensed produced Rheinmetall L55 similar to the one on K2)

turkey was interested with the TYPE 10 engine pack but Japan does not want to export it. The original K2 engine pack still having transmission issues plus unreliable. Therefore, they still have to relies on germans MTU
more of what we can do defend ourself if they send their forces come here
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The K2 problem is it's power pack.

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By Kim Eun-jung

SEOUL, Oct. 11 (Yonhap) -- The arms procurement agency on Friday extended its project to develop indigenous battle tank K-2 by the end of next year to buy more time to fix technical problems found in its engine and transmission.

The Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) approved the plan to postpone by six months the June 2014 deadline to complete development of the engine and transmission, known as the power pack.

The decision comes as the tank's main parts have repeatedly failed to meet the military's requirements due to faulty parts.

The battle tank development project worth more than 2 trillion won (US$1.84 billion) first began in 2006 after a decade of research and development to replace the earlier versions, including the K1 and aging U.S.-built M48 tanks.

But a series of technical problems have been detected in the power pack, hindering the original plan of deploying it starting in 2016.

After the Korean-made parts failed the tests three times, there were rising calls to import German power packs for the battle tank. But the South Korean government decided to extend the testing period again in apparent concern over the costly state program, sparking criticism of being too lenient on local companies.

Modeled after the German-developed MTU-890, the K2 power pack is made up of 1,500-horsepower diesel engine and transmission. Doosan Infracore and S&T Dynamics are the two main developers of the homegrown power pack, out of the more than 1,000 subcontractors in South Korea.

The new tank features an auto-loaded 120mm cannon, which reaches speeds of up to 70 kilometers per hour and can cross rivers as deep as 4.1 meters using a snorkel, according to DAPA.

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I am expecting the question.....aku baca signal hari jumaat lepas so dah lupa nama ape..... but 2 different classes.
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Hull number?

Kalau 173 ke atas tu... brows.gif
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EVO-105 Self Propelled 105mm howitzer

maybe Malaysia can start by this since we got many 105mm gun and HICOM 5 tan trucks smile.gif

Just the fire control and communication system mayb need outside purchase
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EVO-105 Self Propelled 105mm howitzer

maybe Malaysia can start by this since we got many 105mm gun and HICOM 5 tan trucks  smile.gif

Just the fire control and communication system mayb need outside purchase
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meh,one of the reasons why people go for 105s is because it can be man handled.if vehicle based baik go all out for larger guns
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meh,one of the reasons why people go for 105s is because it can be man handled.if vehicle based baik go all out for larger guns
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just wishful thinking since army got alot of aging 105 and hicom trucks. Some sort of stop gap improvements tongue.gif
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Live Sidewinder. Credit picture to RMAF.

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Two RMAF F/A-18D during a live firing exercise. Both aircraft were carrying a live AGM-65D and a live AGM-84 missile. Credit picture to RMAF.


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is that harpoon?
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Harpoon at inner pylon, outer pylon can see the maverick
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Harpoon at inner pylon, outer pylon can see the maverick
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so they test firing both of them? hopefully they release for public. and i want to know what the test subject for maverick?
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Just like most of our test firing, prolly kept classified only cry.gif cry.gif
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The Indonesian government is planning to replace the F-5 fighter aircrafts. The Indonesian Air Force (TNI-AU) polices a very large area. Indonesia’s vast archipelago includes about 17,000 islands stretching over nearly 2 million square kilometres. It has a coastline of 54,716 kilometres to protect and three land borders (Timor-Leste 228 kilometres, Malaysia 1,782 kilometres, and Papua New Guinea 820 kilometres). Moreover, it sits right at Southeast Asia’s maritime chokepoints, such as the Strait of Malacca.

Given this large geographical spread, effective Air Force capability requires high availability of aircraft, long time on station, short turn arounds, long ferry range and large combat radius. The country spends around 1% of its GDP on Defence so it would be looking at an aircraft that isaffordable, superior and have low operational cost. All these make the Gripen an ideal solution for Indonesia.

Gripen is the first of the new generation, multi-role fighter aircrafts to enter operational service.Using the latest technology, Gripen is capable of performing an extensive range of air-to-air, air-to-surface and reconnaissance missions employing the latest weapons.

Gripen is designed to meet the demands of existing and future threats, while simultaneously meeting strict requirements for flight safety, reliability, training efficiency and low operating costs.

Gripen’s inherent design concept is its ability to operate in groups, sharing targets and friendly ship information and cooperating when launching the most modern weapons available.Designed to ensure outstanding combat agility, Gripen features a delta-canard configuration withrelaxed aerodynamic stability. The delta wing and canards, along with the digital Fly-By-Wire Flight Control System, give the fighter an optimum combination of maneuverability, acceleration, top speed and short-field performance.

Gripen is a true multirole fighter, designed as such from the very beginning. This means it can perform missions in all the three roles: air-to-air, air-to-surface and reconnaissance. It can change role while airborne, and it can even act in multiple roles simultaneously. This simultaneous capability will grow over time, as the AESA radar and other systems are further developed. This multi-role capability will help Indonesian Air Force use the same aircraft for different roles, thereby reducing the need for different aircraft to play different roles. The Gripen can replace the F-5E/F not only in its interceptor role but also play a strike fighter role.

Within the three roles, Gripen can perform a wide range of missions such as for example Offensive Counter Air, Defensive Counter Air, Air Policing, Cruise Missile Defence, Close Air Support, Air Interdiction, SEAD/DEAD, Maritime Strike, Strategic Attack, Sea Surveillance, Tactical Air Reconnaissance and Non-Traditional ISR. These missions can be performed 24/7 and in all types of weather.

Gripen C has an overall maximum ferry range of approximately 3000 km. The ferry range is reached at high altitude with maximum use of external drop tanks and no weapons attached. The ferry range for Gripen E with large drop tanks (optional) is approximately 4000 km. This is ideal for Indonesia with its very vast territory and large number of islands.

Saab is committed to working together with the Indonesian government to offer and deliver industrial cooperation programmes and social value that reaches far beyond the aircraft contract. This way, we create sustainable business and real economic growth. Industrial cooperation is achieved through the direct participation of Indonesia’sindustry in the production and development of the contracted system, or by Saab generating investments within areas of national priority. These areas can cover high-level objectives ranging from purely military strategic goals all the way up to overall contribution to the GDP.

The pilot’s fighter.Gripen is a pilot’s dream. It is easy to fly and gives the pilot full control. Gripen’s outstanding agility with high instantaneous and sustained turn rates means unrivalled performance in close combat. Its state-of-the-art HMI and digital Fly-by-wire flight control system enables the pilot to concentrate fully on the mission at hand.

Multirole is in the DNA.Gripen was built to be a true multirole fighter, and was the first fighter of its kind to enter operational service. It is also true to Saab’s tradition of developing smart, unique and extremely functional solutions for combat aircraft. In short, Gripen is a multirole fighter through and through.

Any mission.Anytime.Anywhere.Gripen can carry out air intercept, attack and reconnaissance missions – all in the same sortie if required. On top of this Gripen’s robust design allows for unrivalled simple and rapid maintenance, resulting in turnaround times that no other fighter can match. A Gripen fighter is always ready to fly.

Gripen is a truly Network Centric multirole fighter with the world’s most highly developed secure and multifrequency data link. Together with its fully integrated avionic mission system, Gripen offers total situational awareness for the pilot in all roles. In fact, it excels.

When it comes to peacetime surveillance and air policing, Gripen is the multirole fighter of choice. It will support TNI-AU in detecting and reporting activities such as illegal fishing, illegal immigration and piracy. Gripen is your eye in the sky.

From the very beginning, Gripen was developed with availability, cost and upgradability in mind. Its robust design keeps maintenance and service costs down, and its modular design allows it to be continuously upgraded in order to deal with future threat scenarios. All this boils down to the fact that when choosing Gripen, you get more time in the air. And when it comes to fighters, air time means quality time.

The Gripen paradox: Get more. For less.Every part of the Gripen concept is designed to be as smart and cost-effective as possible. Instead of simply opting for any solution, at any cost, Saab’s engineers are always looking for the smartest one. But they never compromise. Instead, they innovate.

And together with Saab’s attractive and innovative financial solutions, this means the total life time cost for a Gripen becomes very moderate in comparison with other fighters.

Industrial Cooperation (IC):  The Gripen effect. In the defence industry, IC is an essential part of doing business. For Saab, good IC means partnerships – lasting, business-driven relationships that generate long-term mutual benefits. Saab has an unrivalled proven track record of successful win-win partnerships created within Gripen packages.

The smart fighter: The combination of excellent operational performance and moderate through life costs makes Gripen unique on the world market today. It is as simple as that!



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Reminds me of their ads in indian mrca
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Rafale's for indian mrca too
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PLA Armored division 'Beyond 2014' combined arms exercise, Northern China.

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Live Sidewinder. Credit picture to RMAF.

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Two RMAF F/A-18D during a live firing exercise. Both aircraft were carrying a live AGM-65D and a live AGM-84 missile. Credit picture to RMAF.
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Can fire maverick now? So US release the software already?
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Can fire maverick now? So US release the software already?
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Will we ever see a RMN ship name after a non-malay figures? Such as KD Tun Sambanthan or KD Yap Ah Loy or KD Tun Tan Cheng Lock.
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NORINCO and Poly Technologies China to upgrade Type 07 8x8 Wheeled APC for multi-role capabilities

In response to the increase in popularity in larger, wheeled 8x8 multirole vehicles such as the US Striker and MOWAG Piranha, NORINCO with the assistance of Poly Technologies China has introduced a modular upgrade for its Type 07 8x8 wheeled APCs (Popularly known as 'Snow Leopard') in expectation of future multi-role combat requirements. The new upgrade will re-designate its Type 07 APCs into the Type 07P Multi-role vehicles.

The basic Type 07P has a crew of 3 plus the capability to carry up to 12 infantrymen,depending on version. It is installed with a battlefield management system system, is powered by a 450hp engine, has a full NBC survival system and is fully amphibious in all versions. All versions are protected by welded steel armor capable of withstanding 12.7mm (front arc) and 7.62mm (side and rear) machinegun fire and modular ceramic add-on armor 'bricks' for extra protection up to 20mm AP round hits .

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Basic APC version, armed with a 12.7mm NSV Machinegun. Can carry up to 12 infantrymen

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IFV version, armed with a 30mm Chain gun, 7.62mm co-axial Machinegun and 2 ATGMs (HJ-73C). Can carry up to 7 Infantrymen

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Assault Gun version, armed with a rifled 105mm gun

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Self-Propelled AA defense vehicle version, armed with a 6-barrel rotary 30mm cannon & 4 FN-6 SAM units with integrated Air search Radar

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Self-Propelled Howitzer version, armed with a 122mm howitzer (a 152mm howitzer version is also available)

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Command Vehicle version, has an enlarged troop-carrying area for command equipment & staff, can be refitted to serve as an Ambulance

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Recovery vehicle version, equipped with a recovery crane
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 6 2014, 12:41 PM)
anyone got good photos of handalan/jerung/sri tiga class fast attack craft?? rmn wiki page only left these no photos cos i cannot find good one
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Will we ever see a RMN ship name after a non-malay figures? Such as KD Tun Sambanthan or KD Yap Ah Loy or KD Tun Tan Cheng Lock.
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Sep 9 2014, 02:20 PM)
PM me if you need some photos of jerung, handalan and FTV. I still have archived photos used for my previous website kbmyaf.
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CNO: Malaysia Offers U.S. P-8 Detachment Site

By RICHARD R. BURGESS, Managing Editor

ARLINGTON, Va. — Malaysia has offered the use of a base in East Malaysia on the island of Borneo to the United States as a site for detachments of Navy P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft.

Speaking Sept. 8 about the Asia-Pacific strategic rebalance to an audience at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington, Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) ADM Jonathan W. Greenert said that “recently, the Malaysians have offered us to fly detachments of P-8s out of East Malaysia. You can see the closeness to the South China Sea. So we have opportunities and we ought to continue to nurture them.”

A staging site in East Malaysia would enable the Navy’s maritime patrol aircraft easier access for operating over the South China Sea and shipping lanes such as the Strait of Malacca and the Sunda Strait, through which much of the world’s commerce passes.

Malaysia allowed Navy P-8A and P-3C aircraft to operate from West Malaysia during the search for Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 that disappeared on March 8. The Malaysian government expressed appreciation to the United States for its response.

The South China Sea has been a region of increased tensions in recent years because of competing claims over islands and shoals where mineral resources may exist and because of the Chinese naval build-up, particularly the submarine base on Hainan. There have been several incidents at sea involving Chinese coast guard ships and U.S. Navy warships and ocean surveillance ships and aircraft in international waters off China. The most recent involved a Chinese J-11 fighter flying dangerously close to a U.S. Navy P-8A over the South China Sea in late August.

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PM me if you need some photos of jerung, handalan and FTV. I still have archived photos used for my previous website kbmyaf.
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 9 2014, 10:52 PM)
Seems that I miss a lots of things
Quite busy with my mum cataract operation tomorrow

guys please pray for my mum well being  smile.gif
Loh, no wonder your nick seems so familiar!
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wish your mom fast recovery.
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Oh my.
wish your mom fast recovery.
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thanks yinchet
it is simple procedure, but since my mum many medicine allergy
it always give the pharmacist a headache sweat.gif

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thanks yinchet
it is simple procedure, but since my mum many medicine allergy
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CNO: Malaysia Offers U.S. P-8 Detachment Site

By RICHARD R. BURGESS, Managing Editor

ARLINGTON, Va. — Malaysia has offered the use of a base in East Malaysia on the island of Borneo to the United States as a site for detachments of Navy P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft.

Speaking Sept. 8 about the Asia-Pacific strategic rebalance to an audience at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington, Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) ADM Jonathan W. Greenert said that “recently, the Malaysians have offered us to fly detachments of P-8s out of East Malaysia. You can see the closeness to the South China Sea. So we have opportunities and we ought to continue to nurture them.”

A staging site in East Malaysia would enable the Navy’s maritime patrol aircraft easier access for operating over the South China Sea and shipping lanes such as the Strait of Malacca and the Sunda Strait, through which much of the world’s commerce passes.

Malaysia allowed Navy P-8A and P-3C aircraft to operate from West Malaysia during the search for Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 that disappeared on March 8. The Malaysian government expressed appreciation to the United States for its response.

The South China Sea has been a region of increased tensions in recent years because of competing claims over islands and shoals where mineral resources may exist and because of the Chinese naval build-up, particularly the submarine base on Hainan. There have been several incidents at sea involving Chinese coast guard ships and U.S. Navy warships and ocean surveillance ships and aircraft in international waters off China. The most recent involved a Chinese J-11 fighter flying dangerously close to a U.S. Navy P-8A over the South China Sea in late August.

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Most likely KK airport whistling.gif

since tat the closest to South china sea and alot of US militray aircraft have landed there before

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Australia Nears Deal to Buy Up to 10 Japanese Submarines
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CANBERRA, Australia—Australia is close to buying up to 10 submarines from Japan for as much as 20 billion Australian dollars (US$18.7 billion) in a move that would turn the north Asian country into a weapons exporter for the first time since World War II.

The deal, which senior defense officials on Monday said they expect to be signed this year, risks stoking regional tensions since it positions Tokyo as a major guarantor of Australia's security as relations between China and some of its neighbors, including Japan, remain strained.

A purchase of Japanese submarines would breach a promise by the government before last year's elections to build a new fleet at home to help support the nation's struggling ship builders. On Monday, Australia's prime minister, Tony Abbott, said his government wanted to support the manufacturing industry, but not at the expense of national security.

"The most important thing is to get the best and most capable submarines at a reasonable price to the Australian taxpayer," he told reporters. "We should make decisions based on defense requirements, not on the basis of industry policy."

Toru Hotchi, director of the equipment-policy division at Japan's Defense Ministry, said on Monday that "since Japan and Australia have reached an agreement concerning the transfer of defense equipment and technology in July, we are cooperating in various aspects." He declined to say whether that included submarines.

Australia sees a submarine fleet as necessary to protect the country's vast maritime borders, as well as to defend sea lanes vital for its raw-materials exports, and to patrol some of the world's largest offshore oil-and-gas projects.

Canberra has for some time expressed a strong interest in buying Japan's Soryu-Class stealth submarines to replace its own aging Collins-Class fleet of six boats, which face rising maintenance costs as they approach the end of their working lives.

The 4,200-ton Soryu, or Blue Dragon, is the world's largest diesel-electric submarine, jointly built by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd. and Kawasaki Heavy Industries Ltd. The vessels are driven by an ultraquiet air-independent propulsion system that allows them to operate underwater for almost two weeks at a time.

The Australian-built Collins are among the world's biggest diesel-electric submarines and have a longer range, but have been plagued over their 18-year lifespan by issues concerning noise and reliability.

A decision to buy the Japanese submarines this year would come sooner than defense analysts had expected, given that the Australian government is slated to publish a major defense-strategy blueprint early next year.

While competing French and German submarines hadn't yet been completely ruled out, several senior defense figures said that a decision on the Japanese vessels gained momentum after Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's July visit to Canberra, aimed at strengthening military ties amid China's regional muscle-flexing.

"The exact details haven't been finalized," one of the officials said. "But it's very close—before the end of this year. The Japanese are strong favorites."

The Soryu submarines can travel for up to 11,000 kilometers (6,835 miles) before having to return to base. That is less than the Australian government had originally hoped for, considering Canberra's wish to safeguard shipping routes through disputed waters in Asia, where China has recently jousted with Vietnam and the Philippines.

One option Australia has is to shift its submarine port-and-maintenance facilities to the northern Australian city of Darwin, closer to other countries in Asia, from Perth and Sydney where they are currently situated. Such a base could also give better support to visiting U.S. nuclear submarines, as Canberra looks to deepen security ties with its closest ally.

It was unclear whether Australia would buy off-the-shelf boats built solely in Japan. Maintenance and possibly some fitout work would be carried out in Australia.

"What we need is the right submarine for Australia that works from the start and [is] affordable through life," a spokesman for Defense Minister David Johnston said. "We didn't achieve either of these objectives with Collins."

Japanese military contractors are taking their first steps toward selling weapons abroad since Mr. Abe relaxed an export ban, a politically sensitive shift in the country's postwar pacifist defense policy that has angered neighbors including China and South Korea.

Tokyo has also been in talks with India about the sale of Japanese US-2 amphibious aircraft, which can be used for civilian maritime-rescue operations as well as for military purposes. Even under the new policy, Japanese contractors will be restricted from selling to governments involved in international conflicts, and to countries that intend to re-export military hardware.

A spokesman for Japan's Maritime Self-Defense Forces said Japan was paying ¥64 billion (US$609 million) for each Soryu submarine. He declined to discuss possible submarine exports.




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Most likely KK airport  whistling.gif

since tat the closest to South china sea and alot of US militray aircraft have landed there before
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i guest labuan airforce base
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i guest labuan airforce base
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I was thinking kk because that the closest edge to south china sea, well labuan is another option

china wont be too happy about this since it almost their backyard tongue.gif
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I was thinking kk because that the closest edge to south china sea, well labuan is another option

china wont be too happy about this since it almost their backyard  tongue.gif
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china not worry at all, there new build island in Spratly island will future long range radar and airforce base. can monitor most of place south china sea.
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it look like japan almost complete their 1st weapons export deal.
Australia Nears Deal to Buy Up to 10 Japanese Submarines
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when they gonna export gundams
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meantime you can go buy gunpura.
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NORINCO releases prototype of 4-legged military robot

During a robotics expo in Beijing on August 2014, Chinese defense firm NORINCO displays their version of the 4-legged military robot, similar to the US LS3 'Big Dog' robot by Boston Mechanics. The robot prototype is officially named the Mountainous Bionic Quadrupedal Robot, but is informally called "Da gou", which means "Big Dog"in Mandarin.

It is claimed that the prototype weighs 130kg and is capable of carrying 30kg at a walking pace of 6km/h for 2 hours in hard or mountainous terrain up to 30 degrees. While the number seemed low for a military robot, engineers reminded visitors that their version is still a prototype and there are further space for improvements.

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I was thinking kk because that the closest edge to south china sea, well labuan is another option

china wont be too happy about this since it almost their backyard  tongue.gif
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no very sure KK airport allow military operation or not ? maybe refuel should be ok,
different KK labuan less 50km should no issue。
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Brahmos-M to be introduced by DRDO and NPO Machinostraya for export

Manufacturers unveiled a smaller version of the hypersonic BrahMos cruise missile specifially designed for air launches. The missile,noticeably smaller than its parent version, is about 6 meters in length with a speed of mach 3.5. The range is reportedly shorter than the full version due to space restrictions on fuel.

While the BrahMos-M missile is originally designed to be carried by the Su-30MK fighter series,it can also be fitted onto the MiG 29K, Mirage 2000 and Dassault Rafale. The Su-30MK can carry up to 3 of the BrahMos-M missile (centerline & 2 wing pylons). The missile is slated to be in full production for the Russian and Indian military in 2017 with some set aside for export markets to interseted countries.

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Eh,muat Su-30 & Mig 29? apa lagi,MENHAN boleh start tempahan la!
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Brahmos-M to be introduced by DRDO and NPO Machinostraya for export

Manufacturers unveiled a smaller version of the hypersonic BrahMos cruise missile specifially designed for air launches. The missile,noticeably smaller than its parent version, is about 6 meters in length with a speed of mach 3.5. The range is reportedly shorter than the full version due to space restrictions on fuel.

While the BrahMos-M missile is originally designed to be carried by the Su-30MK fighter series,it can also be fitted onto the MiG 29K, Mirage 2000 and Dassault Rafale. The Su-30MK can carry up to 3 of the BrahMos-M missile (centerline & 2 wing pylons). The missile is slated to be in full production for the Russian and Indian military in 2017 with some set aside for export markets to interseted countries.
Eh,muat Su-30 & Mig 29? apa lagi,MENHAN boleh start tempahan la!
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Should buy this for coastal defence. Last time China ships came too close to our shores.

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 9 2014, 10:52 PM)
Seems that I miss a lots of things
Quite busy with my mum cataract operation tomorrow

guys please pray for my mum well being  smile.gif
Loh, no wonder your nick seems so familiar!
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It is the same nic in Cari MPSA but kaybee in Gempurwira and Mymil
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Brahmos-M to be introduced by DRDO and NPO Machinostraya for export
Eh,muat Su-30 & Mig 29? apa lagi,MENHAN boleh start tempahan la!
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Needs a major modification to the mkm fuselage to carry these big guns, their mki modified by the hal india

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Needs a major modification to the mkm fuselage to carry these big guns, their mki modified by the hal india

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that the full size variant if i not mistaken

anyway, brahmos was one of the proposed missile system to arm our kedah class

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The missile stole center stage at Malaysia's Defense Services Asia exhibition, with high-profile potential customers including South Africa, Egypt, Oman, Brunei and other African and Middle Eastern countries.

Defense Talk reported this month that India was considering exporting the BrahMos to Chile, Brazil, South Africa and Indonesia. The keenest interest, however, has come from Malaysia, which is looking for a new weapons system to fit its Meko A100 Kedah class ships.

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BrahMos’s Market Promotion General Manager, Praveen Pathak, told KLS’s journalist that BrahMos has already been doing assessment on ship body of Meko 100. The result is BrahMos is suitable to be installed on it.

Currently, the Indian Navy has installed BrahMos on her naval ship with inclined launch style which is different from western style. Whether BrahMos could be installed in crossover style, Praveen Pathak answered that it is certainly no problem!

He said BrahMos has already done an assessment on it that there is no problem to develop crossover style launcher, BrahMos can be designed and integrated according to customer requirement. But, the problem now is Malaysian government hasn’t made any official requirement to install missile on NGPV.

BrahMos is a multipurpose supersonic anti-ship missile and suitable be installed on 500 ton, 1000 ton and 2000 ton above warships. There is no problem to integrate BrahMos into western standard ship. But, 500 ton missile fast attack boat is not suitable to install vertical launch BrahMos system.

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Sep 10 2014, 10:23 AM)
Needs a major modification to the mkm fuselage to carry these big guns, their mki modified by the hal india
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This is the original version BrahMos ,yes? Then obviously have to be carried centerline due to size. But BrahMos-M looks significantly smaller,so dunno about modification level needed. If not possible for Su-30MKM centerline due to difference with Su-30MKI they also state BrahMos -M can also be carried by wing pylons.
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NORINCO releases prototype of 4-legged military robot

During a robotics expo in Beijing on August 2014, Chinese defense firm NORINCO displays their version of the 4-legged military robot, similar to the US LS3 'Big Dog' robot by Boston Mechanics. The robot prototype is officially named the Mountainous Bionic Quadrupedal Robot, but is informally called "Da gou", which means "Big Dog"in Mandarin.
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brahmos underwater launch.
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Should buy this for coastal defence. Last time China ships came too close to our shores.
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Will we ever see a RMN ship name after a non-malay figures? Such as KD Tun Sambanthan or KD Yap Ah Loy or KD Tun Tan Cheng Lock.
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Or KD Laksamana Muda K. Thanabalasingam, 1st local to be navy chief.
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cant see why not..now its up to local politicians to raise this matter up..
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it look like japan almost complete their 1st weapons export deal.
Australia Nears Deal to Buy Up to 10 Japanese Submarines
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A purchase of Japanese submarines would breach a promise by the government before last year's elections to build a new fleet at home to help support the nation's struggling ship builders. On Monday, Australia's prime minister, Tony Abbott, said his government wanted to support the manufacturing industry, but not at the expense of national security.

"The most important thing is to get the best and most capable submarines at a reasonable price to the Australian taxpayer," he told reporters. "We should make decisions based on defense requirements, not on the basis of industry policy."

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This should be our policy as well for large purchases, else we will never able to equip our armed forces with most cost effective equipment in the quantity and timeline required.
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Last updated on 3 September 2014 - 11:05pm

KUALA LUMPUR: Boustead Heavy Industries Corporation Bhd (BHIC) announced it has received a formal contract to provide in service support (ISS) for two Royal Malaysian Navy's Prime Minister Class Scorpene submarines.

In a statement today, BHIC said its subsidiary, Boustead DCNS Naval Corporation Sdn Bhd had earlier received a letter of award (LOA) on Aug 13, 2010 from Government of Malaysia to undertake the ISS contract worth 193 million euro and RM532 million and was effective till Nov 30, 2015.

The contract included a full submarine integrated logistics support package, consisting of a comprehensive spare parts package as well as the outfitting of workshop equipment, respective yard facilities and equipment, submarine safety conditioning facilities and their corresponding upkeep and maintenance.

The contract also covered tugboat services and the operation and maintenance of the shiplift, transfer system and submarine "umbilical services".

BHIC said there was no difference between the substance of the formal contract and the LOA. – Bernama


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KOTA KINABALU: Malaysia's two Scorpene submarines are being utilised in four special operations off Sabah, according to Navy Chief Admiral Tan Sri Abdul Aziz Jaafar.

The submarines, KD Tunku Abdul Rahman and KD Tun Abdul Razak, however, were not dispatched for operations under the Eastern Sabah Security Command, he said.

"The submarines have their own roles. I cannot tell you what are the operations are. The navy is a silent force and that is why people do not see what we do but we are working round the clock.

"You must trust me as the Navy Chief, the navy is operating to ensure Malaysia’s waters are protected," he said after launching the 14th Asia Pacific Submarine Conference here yesterday.

Aziz said the two submarines were not suitable to be used for security operation in Sabah's east coast, taking into factor the sea depth.

However, Malaysian navy had enhanced the involvement of its other assets for air and sea surveillance within Eastern Sabah Safety Zone (Esszone).

"We have placed our highly capable ships and interceptor boats. We are also deploying our Super Lynx and Fennec helicopters focus on surveillance operations because of its wider view compared to boats.

"These choppers are able to do wide-area surveillance and have better view on boats that need to be intercepted," Aziz said.

"We had requested for the security forces to be able to shoot at suspicious boats that try to enter Sabah waters but at the same time we have standard operating procedures that need to be followed.

"The curfew has somewhat made our job easier because we can now focus. If not, the foreign boats can easily sneak in and hide."

Dusk-to-dawn curfew was enforced on July 19 following the murder of marine personnel while another was kidnapped on Mabul Island.

Curfew areas involved waters off Sandakan, Kinabatangan, Kunak, Lahad Datu, Semporna, and Tawau.

Since the Mabul incident, there have been two attempts to infiltrate Sabah's waters through Semporna and Sandakan where shooting was involved.

As of this year, Sabah recorded four kidnapping cases involving tourist, businessmen and a policeman. Victims were taken away from Lahad Datu, Kunak and a resort off Semporna.

Police have also identified two suspects known as the Muktadil brothers who were responsible for several abduction cases and the murder of the policeman.

Aziz stressed Malaysian navy remained professional in carrying out its role as the first layer watchdog at waters.

Meanwhile, more than 60 navy personnel from 19 countries participated in the closed-door conference aimed at discussing issues pertaining to Submarine Escape and Rescue in the Asia Pacific.

Among the participating countries are the United States, United Kingdom, Japan, France, Australia, Peru, Chile, Pakistan, Vietnam, Singapore, Ecuador, Indonesia, South Korea, Philippines, and Brunei.


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PLA ATGM training (HJ-73)

PLA soldiers training on the use the HJ-73 ATGM. The HJ-73 is an upgraded chinese copy of the Soviet-era 9K11 Malyutka (NATO: AT-3 Sagger) that has been upgraded with a semi-automatic SACLOS guidance system that is easier to use from the old manual MCLOS guidance system that was notoriously hard to control under combat conditions.

In a SACLOS (Semi-Auto line of sight command) system,all the gunner had to do is to keep the target sighted in the sighting/guidance system scope and computers will automatically guide the missile towards whatever the gunner is targeting at. In contrast, on the old MCLOS (Manual control line of sight command) system,the gunner must guide the missile manually all the way from launch to impact,via a joystick towards the target.Any disturbance due to loss of concentration or enemy counter-fire can result in complete loss of control of the missile.

The HJ-73 is operated by a crew of 3 soldiers, a gunner who carries the sighting/guidance unit and 2 assistants who each carry 1 disassembled missile in fibreglass 'suitcase' backpacks that also double as launch pads (no launch tubes are used,the missiles are launched from rails). The missile needs to be assembled and mounted on the carrying case's integral rails before launch. A remote wire system allow the missiles to be sited away from as far as 15 meters from the gunner and sighting/guidance unit,enhancing cover and camouflage for both the gunner and the missiles themselves. The missiles weigh 10kg each, have an effective range of 3,000 meters and its 3kg shaped charged warhead can penetrate up to 400mm of steel armor at 60 degrees. Newer versions of the HJ-73 (HJ-73C) have an enhanced tandem warhead designed to penetrate ERA armor systems.

While it may lose out in performance in comparison to more modern ATGMs in terms of tank-killing power, its cheap cost and high portability has earned it continued service in the PLA as a general purpose short-ranged guided missile to be used against in pinpoint strikes against hardpoints,field fortifications and softer-skinned vehicles.

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Having promised to up the defence budget significantly, president-elect Jokowi Widodo may have to take a call on the procurement of fighter aircraft to replace decades-old F-5 Tigers.

Outgoing Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro had said earlier this year he wants to ensure the purchase is part of Indonesia's Strategic Plan II 2015 to 2020, Antara news agency reported quoting the minister, “we have received proposals from several jet fighter manufacturers for replacing the F-5 Tiger fighter aircraft".

Perhaps expecting the competition to intensify, Saab released a statement yesterday underlining why its Gripen fighter was the most suitable candidate for Indonesia.

Among the aircraft being evaluated are the Russian Sukhoi Su-35, the American Boeing F-15 Eagle and Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, and the Swedish SAAB JAS 39 Gripen, said Gen. Moeldoko, Indonesia's top military commander.

The ministry is looking at buying 16 aircraft, but the type and number of aircraft "depends on Indonesia's financial position," Moeldoko said.


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Kota Kinabalu: The Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN) reiterated the need for a simplified Standard Operating Procedure (SOP) in order not to end up as a toothless tiger when pursuing suspected enemies in Malaysian waters.

Navy chief Admiral Tan Sri Abdul Aziz Jaafar said this is to enable the force to take immediate action to prevent intrusion by any potential enemy.

"There is a need to shoot at boats that flee after we spot and approach them in the nation's waters including off Sabah. That is why I made the shoot-on-sight proposal to the Federal Cabinet.

But it does not mean that we will shoot at them É just fire warning shots to scare and stop enemies from intruding our waters. We are not trying to pursue them, we just want to ask those who are suspicious.

But if they speed off, then obviously they are in the wrong because they should not be afraid if they were not doing anything offensive as we are very professional in discharging our duties and responsibilities," he said.

Aziz was speaking at a press conference after launching a four-day 14th Asia Pacific Submarine Conference attended by 19 countries, here, Tuesday. He was commenting on latest developments to the proposal to shoot-on-sight that was submitted to the Government.

In July, Attorney-General Tan Sri Abdul Gani Patail rejected the proposal on the grounds that Malaysia is not a military state. A total of 61 participants, namely experts in Submarine Escape and Rescue (SMER), are attending the conference themed ' Enhancing Interoperability for Safety'.

Aziz said he submitted the proposal to better the SOP but he understood that it would take time to be looked into.

"Now we have the SOPÉwe follow it and we do not shoot on sight. But at least, it has made our jobs easier as they (concerned authority) can now approve in a very short time which we will facilitate. Otherwise it will take a longer time," he said.

On the 10-hour curfew at the East Coast of Sabah, Aziz said it has made the force's work in safeguarding Sabah waters much easier as they are more focused on monitoring movements of boats during the curfew period.

"Since the curfew in Sabah's East Coast was enforced, it has facilitated our tasks in discharging duties and responsibilities as everyone has reason to stay out of the sea beyond the three nautical miles within the curfew periodÉno need to worry.

"But if suspects speed off when we approach them, then we will consider to fire shots. Nonetheless, we will use our own discretion in handling such situation," he said.

On talks that the Scorpene submarine at Naval Base in Sepanggar is "resting", Aziz denied such rumours, saying the submarine team has used the submarines in four operations.

"It is not true about what people say about the Scorpene submarine because our submarine teams have their own roles and tasks where we have involved the country's submarines in four on-going operations in Sabah and Sarawak.

"However, I cannot elaborate or relate to you what were the operations.

But believe me as the force is operating 24 hours seven days a week to safeguard the security of the nation's waters," he said.

To a question, Aziz said the existing submarines in the country are operating at optimum level or else the 18 participating foreign countries would not attend the conference here.

On the conference, he said Kota Kinabalu was chosen as the venue of the annual conference as it is the home of the Scorpene submarine.

"It is a privilege and a great honour for the RMN to host the annual conference as our submarine force is only five-years old since it was established in 2009.

"A lot will be shared and done in this conference which is not just in the aspect of defence but also doing research in the development of operating submarines," he said.


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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 10 2014, 09:11 PM)


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thx atre..... nicely done ..... any video about cik horny missile firing test?
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http://rentaka.weebly.com/blog/eks-angsa-9...-kapal-kd-lekiu

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Nice video la.....masa aku tgh tengok video ni Kasturi lalu depan aku.......nak alongside. Mesti tgh kembang semangkuk tu......success beb
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 10 2014, 10:39 AM)
Agreed,but ground-launched fullsize version is more appropriate for coastal defense due to greater range. Air-launched BrahMos-M have shorter range due to smaller sized fuel tanks.

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Besides all being cool having the capability to be packed into a completely random shipping container for CAMO!! (I wonder what inconspicuous form does the search/tracking radar take on? cement mixer perhaps?), any advantages/disadvantages over BrahMos? Because from what I'm reading,Klub missile acts more like a Russian Tomahawk subsonic Cruise missile rather than straight-up Anti-Shipping missile. And the BrahMos' big talking point is the mach 3.5 speed.

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Someone added klub-k in the rmn inventory at wiki page, lucky got junchuan edited it out.. somebody is too eager for this system laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 10 2014, 10:05 PM)
Besides all being cool having the capability to be packed into a completely random shipping container for CAMO!! (I wonder what inconspicuous form does the search/tracking radar take on? cement mixer perhaps?), any advantages/disadvantages over BrahMos? Because from what I'm reading,Klub missile acts more like a Russian Tomahawk subsonic Cruise missile rather than straight-up Anti-Shipping missile. And the BrahMos' big talking point is the mach 3.5 speed.

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Not just shipping container.
it can be anywhere on train on lorry or on some random location.
it can be use as anti ship missile, or cruise missile.
top speed iinm mach2.9.
Not far from brahmos top speed.
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just small and same old weapon .... the container not that serious damage. not that satisfied from me .....
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Eks Angsa, 
just small and same old weapon ....  the container not that serious damage.  not that satisfied from me .....
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 10 2014, 10:19 PM)
Not just shipping container.
it can be anywhere on train on lorry or on some random location.
it can be use as anti ship missile, or cruise missile.
top speed iinm mach2.9.
Not far from brahmos top speed.
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once approaching target, then will sprint run supersonic in the final stage.. Tat oni give a very short amount of time for the ship defence system to response to the threat

while brahmos is supersonic all the time with with some added feature to trick or avoid the ship defense system
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CLUB-K demo video,
i watch few time already。
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 10 2014, 10:20 PM)
Eks Angsa, 
just small and same old weapon ....  the container not that serious damage.  not that satisfied from me .....
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Pls dont misunderstood...... cruise missile not to sink a ship, its only to paralyse the ship. The true weapon to sink a ship is a heavy weight torpedo.

One missile is enough to 'stop' the ship.... the shake by missile is enough to damage the combat system.

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i thot i saw b4 on some official looking website say military equipment cannot disguise as civilian or smth??? and brahmos warhead i think a lot more big than klub if i not wrong  biggrin.gif
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canot red cross or enemy insignia

or any other civilian logo

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Multipurpose cruise missile maybe impressive,but surely they cost a lot more than purpose-built anti-ship missiles due to the more advanced on-board computers and guidance systems and whatnot. With Malaysian government's notorious penny-pinching when buying defense assets,a smaller arsenal being a trade-off of a few advanced missiles is not a good deal.

Also someone made a good point,can you legally disguise the transport & deployment of weapons as civilian stuff? I thought all military weapons needs to be marked as such? Probably on some Geneva convention clause or somewhere? I suppose you can play with technicalities,like disguising a missile launcher truck as a normal military transport truck,but I feel launching missiles from a civilian looking shipping container breaks some international law somewhere. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 11 2014, 12:26 AM)
Multipurpose cruise missile maybe impressive,but surely they cost a lot more than purpose-built anti-ship missiles due to the more advanced on-board computers and guidance systems and whatnot. With Malaysian government's notorious penny-pinching when buying defense assets,a smaller arsenal being a trade-off of a few advanced missiles is not a good deal.

Also someone made a good point,can you legally disguise the transport & deployment of weapons as civilian stuff? I thought all military weapons needs to be marked as such? Probably on some Geneva convention clause or somewhere? I suppose you can play with technicalities,like disguising a missile launcher truck as a normal military transport truck,but I feel launching missiles from a civilian looking shipping container breaks some international law somewhere. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 10 2014, 10:20 PM)
Eks Angsa, 
just small and same old weapon ....  the container not that serious damage.  not that satisfied from me .....
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It is actually really difficult to sink a ship. Unless you totally destroy the hull integrity,the hull can be afloat as long as the bulkheads hold,even if the entire superstructure has been blown away. Usually just 1-2 hits from anti-ship missiles won't sink even a small frigate. For example, HMS Sheffield after being hit with an Argentine Exocet (that didn't even explode!) burned for nearly a week from a broken diesel pipe before sinking due to heavy seas when towboats tried to salvage the hull before even patching up the impact hole.
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=08d_1403263794

Leak photo showed US piloted F-22 "shot" down by a Malaysian piloted Mig-29 during the recent Exercise Cope Taufan in Malaysia. The photo showed the F-22 failed to radar jam the Mig and was releasing flares to avoid missile lock-on by the Mig-29, but was later nailed by cannon fire instead.


me donno how legit this is pasla tak terlibat secara lansung ngan Cope Taufan

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pity that liveleak submitter just want his/her 50 cent, from ll posts.

http://theaviationist.com/2014/06/18/close...-combat-f15-f22
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me donno how legit this is pasla tak terlibat secara lansung ngan Cope Taufan
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 11 2014, 12:58 AM)
lets mind fucuk
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=08d_1403263794

Leak photo showed US piloted F-22 "shot" down by a Malaysian piloted Mig-29 during the recent Exercise Cope Taufan in Malaysia. The photo showed the F-22 failed to radar jam the Mig and was releasing flares to avoid missile lock-on by the Mig-29, but was later nailed by cannon fire instead.
me donno how legit this is pasla tak terlibat secara lansung ngan Cope Taufan

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The plane behind is a f15. There's more space between the nozzles on the mig29
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pity that liveleak submitter just want his/her 50 cent, from ll posts.

http://theaviationist.com/2014/06/18/close...-combat-f15-f22
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 10 2014, 11:58 PM)
lets mind fucuk

Leak photo showed US piloted F-22 "shot" down by a Malaysian piloted Mig-29 during the recent Exercise Cope Taufan in Malaysia. The photo showed the F-22 failed to radar jam the Mig and was releasing flares to avoid missile lock-on by the Mig-29, but was later nailed by cannon fire instead.
me donno how legit this is pasla tak terlibat secara lansung ngan Cope Taufan

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Oh ni, this photo was available way earlier before they made this news kan. The plane chasing F-22 there is F-15 lah. Tail rudder punya rupa tak macam MiG. Also tengok position of the thrust nozzles.

MiG-29's butt for comparison:

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The plane behind is a f15. There's more space between the nozzles on the mig29
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QUOTE(FlameReaper @ Sep 11 2014, 02:21 AM)
Oh ni, this photo was available way earlier before they made this news kan. The plane chasing F-22 there is F-15 lah. Tail rudder punya rupa tak macam MiG. Also tengok position of the thrust nozzles.

MiG-29's butt for comparison:

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Tengok pun dah boleh tau kelentong laugh.gif
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kan ada tulis atas tu let's mind fucuk tongue.gif tongue.gif

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guys... do u guys think that the much hyped up brahmos is really that cutting edge?

if i am correct us, russia, prc have similar missiles... same speed, some even better range and warhead capa... eu dont think so

and brahmos is not cheap..
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Sep 11 2014, 02:41 PM)
guys... do u guys think that the much hyped up brahmos is really that cutting edge?
if i am correct us, russia, prc have similar missiles... same speed, some even better range and warhead capa... eu dont think so
and brahmos is not cheap..
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Give examples pls.

Also since when do guided missiles,whoever makes them,are cheap? Moreover western-built missiles may be more expensive than BrahMos (as most western built weapons are).
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Sep 11 2014, 02:41 PM)
guys... do u guys think that the much hyped up brahmos is really that cutting edge?

if i am correct us, russia, prc have similar missiles... same speed, some even better range and warhead capa... eu dont think so

and brahmos is not cheap..
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brahmos is co-develop with russia and russian is buying some of it

it not really cutting edge, it just how it strike its target and the speed it travels with its versatility (air, navy and land variant)

If you are talking about P-700 which the brahmos is based upon, then it true russia and prc have some, brahmos is is just the further development of p-700 and so far only india and russia have with potential sales else where.

US? i dont think they have such missile in their list. US anti-ship missile is so outdated with their harpoon sweat.gif
They stil believe that their fighter jets will do the anti-ship role while Aegis ship will provide the required protection
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First close up pics of Indian navy SSBN missile sub, INS Arihant

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The INS Arihant was launched in 2009 and is slated to start full service with the Indian navy in early 2015. The sub is powered by a full-power nuclear reactor and can dive up to 350 meters. It is armed with 6 533mm torpedoes for self-defense and a payload of either 12 K-15 Sagarika nuclear capable short-range SLBMs or 6 K-4 medium-range nuclear SLBMs.
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One missile only wont sink a ship, deswai nowadays adopt saturation attack
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Pls dont misunderstood...... cruise missile not to sink a ship, its only to paralyse the ship. The true weapon to sink a ship is a heavy weight torpedo.

One missile is enough to 'stop' the ship.... the shake by missile is enough to damage the combat system.
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i know this one, want is means exocet mm40 block2 use to attack container look like not so power, maybe warhead too small. SEAWOLF look sad
overall exercise look live our navy need more power weapon/missile.

I tot at lease can expected to see like below NSM just with 125kg warhead vs 155kg on MM40 Block2.

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 11 2014, 07:25 PM)
Since when america and prc have o.o and eu developing perseus fxcking badass red color missile
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yj-12? cm400akg? lrasm?

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 11 2014, 08:48 PM)
Give examples pls.

Also since when do guided missiles,whoever makes them,are cheap? Moreover western-built missiles may be more expensive than BrahMos (as most western built weapons are).
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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 11 2014, 09:05 PM)
brahmos is co-develop with russia and russian is buying some of it

it not really cutting edge, it just how it strike its target and the speed it travels with its versatility (air, navy and land variant)

If you are talking about P-700 which the brahmos is based upon, then it true russia and prc have some, brahmos is is just the further development of p-700 and so far only india and russia have with potential sales else where.

US? i dont think they have such missile in their list. US anti-ship missile is so outdated with their harpoon  sweat.gif
They stil believe that their fighter jets will do the anti-ship role while Aegis ship will provide the required protection
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how it strike d target? care 2 elaborate?

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yj-12? cm400akg? lrasm?
as in cheaper... no weapons are cheap..
how it strike d target? care 2 elaborate?
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read on p-700 or p-800

yj-12 is not a supersonic, just terminal stage

lrasm in development

so far i know of true supersonic anti-ship is p700, p800 and brahmos

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 11 2014, 11:40 PM)
i know this one,  want is means exocet mm40 block2 use to attack container look like not so power, maybe warhead too small.  SEAWOLF look sad
overall exercise look live our navy need more power weapon/missile. 

I tot at lease can expected to see like below NSM just with 125kg warhead vs 155kg on MM40 Block2.


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Iirc these have been discussed before not sure on which forum though.
Mainly due to the explosion effect is differ on different target.
As the explosion force were mostly lost when they hit the less solid container compare to the ship which is a more solid target.
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Why dw try shooting old retired ships like rahmat hang tuah then use finish all the block 2 expcet and replace with block 3 biggrin.gif
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Why dw try shooting old retired ships like rahmat hang tuah then use finish all the block 2 expcet and replace with block 3 biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 11 2014, 12:31 AM)
I thot most anti ship missile nowadays got land attack function like our navy future exocet block 3. I think rbs15 and c802 also rite. Maybe we shud stick to exocet and use land base exocet oso biggrin.gif
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yes, but it'll be not as accurate as the purpose build land attack missile. For one, the sensor is all wrong. Anti-ship Missile have radar/IR terminal seeker which is unsuitable for precision strike. That's why US created SLAM-ER.
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Why dw try shooting old retired ships like rahmat hang tuah then use finish all the block 2 expcet and replace with block 3 biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 11 2014, 12:58 AM)
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Leak photo showed US piloted F-22 "shot" down by a Malaysian piloted Mig-29 during the recent Exercise Cope Taufan in Malaysia. The photo showed the F-22 failed to radar jam the Mig and was releasing flares to avoid missile lock-on by the Mig-29, but was later nailed by cannon fire instead.
me donno how legit this is pasla tak terlibat secara lansung ngan Cope Taufan

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Seem's like the F-15 and the flares tried to mask the F-22 IR signature from our MIGs IRST.
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Apsal byk sgt post aku kt atas tu??
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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Sep 12 2014, 08:15 AM)
yes, but it'll be not as accurate as the purpose build land attack missile. For one, the sensor is all wrong. Anti-ship Missile have radar/IR terminal seeker which is unsuitable for precision strike. That's why US created SLAM-ER.
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Best precision strike still relying on laser targeting though.
anyway the current upgrade of antiship missile having gps guidance system adding in waypoint command were enable it to have limited land attack functions.

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 12 2014, 07:53 AM)
Why dw try shooting old retired ships like rahmat hang tuah then use finish all the block 2 expcet and replace with block 3 biggrin.gif
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Talking about anti-ship missiles, I thought I saw photos from a parade in KL where they showcased a KH-31 (AS-17 'Krypton") but as I looked it up & found out what we have is only the anti-radiation missile version. No anti-ship version of KH-31 in our arsenal?



Also, are there any more reliable methods of testing anti-ship missiles than shooting it at an old ship or floating barge/container? It seems to me shooting a guided missile at a stationary target that don't fight back is not exactly an exact simulation of real world anti-shipping warfare scenarios and a test of true tracking/evasion capabilities of a missile.

I mean, any decent missile can do a straight run & hit a dumb stationary target.

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 12 2014, 08:55 AM)
Talking about anti-ship missiles, I thought I saw photos from a parade in KL where they showcased a  KH-31 (AS-17 'Krypton") but as I looked it up & found out what we have is only the anti-radiation missile version. No anti-ship version of KH-31 in our arsenal?
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According to the video posted by LTZ, seem's like we got it.
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Majlis penghormatan terakhir dan persemadian isteri kepada Lt Kdr Lee Vee Weng TLDM di Muar. TLDM turut menghantar wakil dalam majlis tersebut yang diketuai oleh Kept Chan Peng Cheong. TLDM mengucapkan takziah atas kehilangan saudara.

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 12 2014, 08:55 AM)
Talking about anti-ship missiles, I thought I saw photos from a parade in KL where they showcased a  KH-31 (AS-17 'Krypton") but as I looked it up & found out what we have is only the anti-radiation missile version. No anti-ship version of KH-31 in our arsenal?
Also, are there any more reliable methods of testing anti-ship missiles than shooting it at an old ship or floating barge/container? It seems to me shooting a guided missile at a stationary target that don't fight back is not exactly an exact simulation of real world anti-shipping warfare scenarios and a test of true tracking/evasion capabilities of a missile.

I mean, any decent missile can do a straight run & hit a dumb stationary target.
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Majlis penghormatan terakhir dan persemadian isteri kepada Lt Kdr Lee Vee Weng TLDM di Muar. TLDM turut menghantar wakil dalam majlis tersebut yang diketuai oleh Kept Chan Peng Cheong. TLDM mengucapkan takziah atas kehilangan saudara.

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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 12 2014, 01:26 AM)
read on p-700 or p-800

yj-12 is not a supersonic, just terminal stage

lrasm in development

so far i know of true supersonic anti-ship is p700, p800 and brahmos
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are you referring to yj-12's predecessor or the version launched by plane? yj 12 is a family, the ones launched by ship i believe is mach 1-2 cruising and 3 at terminal... the newer cm400akg reaches mach 5 at terminal but not mass produced yet
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Seem's like the F-15 and the flares tried to mask the F-22 IR signature from our MIGs IRST.
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the funny thing is, in the article it say radar jamming.

in that close range. Who need radar? It pure dogfight ad with visual sight. All depends on the pilot skills and fighter manoeuvring

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are you referring to yj-12's predecessor or the version launched by plane? yj 12 is a family, the ones launched by ship i believe is  mach 1-2 cruising and 3 at terminal... the newer cm400akg reaches mach 5 at terminal but not mass produced yet
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brahmos is twice as fast with better target acquisition and defence system avoidance. It speculated that brahmos anti-ship variant which based on p700 also have the same swarm attack capability integrated in it. Meaning it also for saturation attack and not a single missile only will be launch during actual operation

what set it apart again is its speed. While maybe modern ciws or modern point defence system can counter mach 1-2 missiles. It still take few critical second from identification to interception. So if you have a faster missiles like mach 4-5, the defence system have to work twice as fast to counter the threat. In hope that during saturation attack, the defence system only may counter maybe one or two while missing the rest.

Of course, in video publish you only see one missiles launch, because no point doing saturation attack on stationary harmless training target. Missiles mahal and not cheap to fire tongue.gif But like the falkland war, normally more than one antiship missiles will be launched for a single target to increase the probability of it actually hitting

i doubt malaysia navy want to stock up china missiles. india Brahmos or russian or europe equivalent would be the preference. It was considered for our kedah class but with typical what the armed forces want, armed forces wont get sad.gif
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Sep 12 2014, 10:02 AM)
are you referring to yj-12's predecessor or the version launched by plane? yj 12 is a family, the ones launched by ship i believe is  mach 1-2 cruising and 3 at terminal... the newer cm400akg reaches mach 5 at terminal but not mass produced yet
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 12 2014, 08:55 AM)
Talking about anti-ship missiles, I thought I saw photos from a parade in KL where they showcased a  KH-31 (AS-17 'Krypton") but as I looked it up & found out what we have is only the anti-radiation missile version. No anti-ship version of KH-31 in our arsenal?
Also, are there any more reliable methods of testing anti-ship missiles than shooting it at an old ship or floating barge/container? It seems to me shooting a guided missile at a stationary target that don't fight back is not exactly an exact simulation of real world anti-shipping warfare scenarios and a test of true tracking/evasion capabilities of a missile.

I mean, any decent missile can do a straight run & hit a dumb stationary target.
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Anti ship missile was fired during Angsa
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the funny thing is, in the article it say radar jamming.

in that close range. Who need radar? It pure dogfight ad with visual sight. All depends on the pilot skills and fighter manoeuvring
brahmos is twice as fast with better target acquisition and defence system avoidance. It speculated that brahmos anti-ship variant which based on p700 also have the same swarm attack capability integrated in it.  Meaning it also for saturation attack and not a single missile only will be launch during actual operation

what set it apart again is its speed. While maybe modern ciws  or modern point defence system can counter mach 1-2 missiles. It still take few critical second from identification to interception. So if you have a faster missiles like mach 4-5, the defence system have to work twice as fast to counter the threat.   In hope that during saturation attack, the defence system only may counter maybe one or two while missing the rest.

Of course, in video publish you only see one missiles launch, because no point doing saturation attack on stationary harmless training target. Missiles mahal and not cheap to fire  tongue.gif  But like the falkland war, normally more than one antiship missiles will be launched for a single target to increase the probability of it actually hitting

i doubt malaysia navy want to stock up china missiles. india Brahmos or russian or europe equivalent would be the preference. It was considered for our kedah class but with typical what the armed forces want, armed forces wont get  sad.gif
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our ship with seawolf and vl-mica not much hope to counter mach4~5 ASM.
If chinese mssile is cheap and powerfull why not, anyway Kedah class will be install Exocet MM40 block 3 or max can hope NSM.
people to like brahmos ... but not thinking account went ship design the weight of missile (entire ship) already calculated to match engine and propeller also super structure of ship, Brahmos weight 3 tons vs Exocet at 680kg each. it is impossible to fit in to our ship.
our kedah ship is very-very slow ship already just 22 knot only

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 12 2014, 11:13 AM)
our ship with seawolf and vl-mica not much hope to counter mach4~5 ASM.
If chinese mssile is cheap and powerfull why not, anyway Kedah class will be install Exocet MM40 block 3 or max can hope NSM.
people to like brahmos ... but not thinking account went ship design the weight of missile (entire ship) already calculated to match engine and propeller also super structure of ship, Brahmos weight 3 tons vs Exocet at 680kg each. it is impossible to fit in to our ship.
our kedah ship is very-very slow ship already just 22 knot only
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read previous article i posted

can be installed no problem on meko 100 class ship. Plus, it most likely same style like the external inclined launch tube instead of vls. Basically, turning out kedah class as missile boat tongue.gif

what i mean that, it can take the place on ship intended for exocet or others

similarly, it a plug n play system or fancy name module

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BrahMos’s Market Promotion General Manager, Praveen Pathak, told KLS’s journalist that BrahMos has already been doing assessment on ship body of Meko 100. The result is BrahMos is suitable to be installed on it.

Currently, the Indian Navy has installed BrahMos on her naval ship with inclined launch style which is different from western style. Whether BrahMos could be installed in crossover style, Praveen Pathak answered that it is certainly no problem!

He said BrahMos has already done an assessment on it that there is no problem to develop crossover style launcher, BrahMos can be designed and integrated according to customer requirement. But, the problem now is Malaysian government hasn’t made any official requirement to install missile on NGPV.

BrahMos is a multipurpose supersonic anti-ship missile and suitable be installed on 500 ton, 1000 ton and 2000 ton above warships. There is no problem to integrate BrahMos into western standard ship. But, 500 ton missile fast attack boat is not suitable to install vertical launch BrahMos system


http://www.klsreview.com/HTML/2009Jan_Jun/20090608_06.html

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Anti ship missile was fired during Angsa
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I reckon if Malaysian Navy wants to install newer,heavier missiles onto our ships,we must do heavy modifications & refits rite?

As far as I know,most of these types must be launched vertically from VLS canisters and the canisters,due to size, are installed inside the hull itself, unlike smaller missiles (Exocet or Harpoon for example) that is put on modular canisters above deck and can be installed without relatively major modifications to the ship's design. Or are there a a version that is launched from modular canisters from above decks? (I know Russian P-500 Bazalt launchers are in containers on deck,but that's rather the exception than the,as I haven't seen any similar setup since)

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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 12 2014, 10:39 AM)
the funny thing is, in the article it say radar jamming.

in that close range. Who need radar? It pure dogfight ad with visual sight. All depends on the pilot skills and fighter manoeuvring
brahmos is twice as fast with better target acquisition and defence system avoidance. It speculated that brahmos anti-ship variant which based on p700 also have the same swarm attack capability integrated in it.  Meaning it also for saturation attack and not a single missile only will be launch during actual operation

what set it apart again is its speed. While maybe modern ciws  or modern point defence system can counter mach 1-2 missiles. It still take few critical second from identification to interception. So if you have a faster missiles like mach 4-5, the defence system have to work twice as fast to counter the threat.  In hope that during saturation attack, the defence system only may counter maybe one or two while missing the rest.

Of course, in video publish you only see one missiles launch, because no point doing saturation attack on stationary harmless training target. Missiles mahal and not cheap to fire  tongue.gif  But like the falkland war, normally more than one antiship missiles will be launched for a single target to increase the probability of it actually hitting

i doubt malaysia navy want to stock up china missiles. india Brahmos or russian or europe equivalent would be the preference. It was considered for our kedah class but with typical what the armed forces want, armed forces wont get  sad.gif
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CM400 AKG already export to pakistan,  also more advance version (advance seeker) in develop , maybe can see in this Oct Zhuhai airshow。
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yea, but limited quantities... not mass produced yet
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 12 2014, 11:52 AM)
I reckon if Malaysian Navy wants to install newer,heavier missiles onto our ships,we must do heavy modifications & refits rite?

As far as I know,most of these types must be launched vertically from VLS canisters and the canisters,due to size, are installed inside the hull itself, unlike smaller missiles (Exocet or Harpoon for example) that is put on modular canisters above deck and can be installed without relatively major modifications to the ship's design. Or are there a a version that is launched from modular canisters from above decks? (I know Russian P-500 Bazalt launchers are in containers on deck,but that's rather the exception than the,as I haven't seen any similar setup since)

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Our ships too small to install VLS you mean?


On a side note, any latest news on the Malaysian Gowind frigate order? Construction still progressing as planned I hope? Fingers crossed we won't have another Lekiu-class fiasco.

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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 12 2014, 11:38 AM)
read previous article i posted
can be installed no problem on meko 100 class ship. Plus, it most likely same style like the external inclined launch tube instead of vls. Basically, turning out kedah class as missile boat  tongue.gif
what i mean that, it can take the place on ship intended for exocet or others
similarly, it a plug n play system or fancy name module
http://www.klsreview.com/HTML/2009Jan_Jun/20090608_06.html
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Off couse can install in cross X style for 2x2 unit, but total weight become 13 tons+,2x2 Exocet less 3 tons only, question now is ...
is ship Draught will increase?
is ship structure need enhance to take extra weight?
is extra weight will slow down ship speed ?
is extra weight will give extra load to engine and gearbox and propellers?
is module/sytem power specification same with exocet?
alot just business talk ... but alot hard work in behind ... went u want to install different system.

for Kedah class i more prefer to light NSM missile compare to Exocet MM40 Block3. it just small 1600 tons Corvette , no need to hard to install different system。

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 12 2014, 12:19 PM)
Our ships too small to install VLS you mean?
On a side note, any latest news on the Malaysian Gowind frigate order? Construction still progressing as planned I hope? Fingers crossed we won't have another Lekiu-class fiasco.
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he means VLS system is too small to fit BrahMos missile ....
got gowind wait 2018 to get ship, for now can forgot it first, still long to wait.
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 12 2014, 12:19 PM)
Our ships too small to install VLS you mean?
On a side note, any latest news on the Malaysian Gowind frigate order? Construction still progressing as planned I hope? Fingers crossed we won't have another Lekiu-class fiasco.
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brahmos VLS is too long for a small ship like kedah class, inclined would be a better option like the indian navy did. Maintenance and installation would be much easier as well

QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 12 2014, 12:29 PM)
Off couse can install in cross X style for 2x2 unit, but total weight become 13 tons+,2x2 Exocet less 3 tons only, question now is ...
is ship Draught will increase?
is ship structure need enhance to take extra weight?
is extra weight will slow down ship speed ?
is extra weight will give extra load to engine and gearbox and propellers?
is module/sytem power specification same with exocet?
alot just business talk ... but alot hard work in behind ... went u want to install different system.

for Kedah class i more prefer to light NSM missile compare to Exocet MM40 Block3. it just small 1600 tons  Corvette , no need to hard to install different system。
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1) Yes most likely but depends. 15ton for marine grade vessel especially military one is not very heavy. Kashtan CIWS is even heavier tongue.gif But seeing Kedah class available space and current configuration on indian navy, 4 missile tubes would be the max, each 2 facing port and starboard side. The space for VLS front of the deck most likely again will be reserved for defence system installation

2) structure wise again depends where the navy want to put them. if VLS, then have to cut a hole on the hull. In external, just place it in line with structure with a few minor reinforcements. Not that difficult for a ship, just a few extra added metal on critical support structure. Military ship are constructed using higher strength steel unlike civilian plus kedah class module system, most likely supported

3) depending on the drought. 22 knot is not technically its max speed. Max speed is top secret laugh.gif 22knot you can call it cruising speed, for a cutter hull design ship, higher cruising speed is need for more fuel economy according to my fren from ALAM apparently to raise the hull above water

4) No, ship work in a diff way, the engine and propeller will provide a constant push. what drag a ship or slow a ship down is the surface area or drought in contact with water. The more, the more friction. The less, the faster it goes. That why i say, if the drought does not drop much, the speed wont be affected significantly. Besides that, the marine grade diesel engine can go 110 or 120% continuously is needed

5) This i cant answer you. 1st, I dunno the specific details. But since it come with a sealed missile canister, i assume it does not need much power. But depending on the target acquisition system. Not sure if need a new system or can piggy back on existing one.

Neh, when you want something, the service provider will do everything for you including where to place bla bla. You just have to pay them like how you want to customised your car. BTW, it just speculation no need to get so serious, the brahmos news was during DSA 2010. By then even the navy may have changed their mind whistling.gif

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Our ships too small to install VLS you mean?
On a side note, any latest news on the Malaysian Gowind frigate order? Construction still progressing as planned I hope? Fingers crossed we won't have another Lekiu-class fiasco.
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Couldn't find any news of Gowind's keel laying. If there isn't any keel laying then there isn't any construction to be begin with. Although there was news that the construction had begun.

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brahmos VLS is too long for a small ship like kedah class, inclined would be a better option like the indian navy did. Maintenance and installation would be much easier as well
1) Yes most likely but depends. 15ton for marine grade vessel especially military one is not very heavy. Kashtan CIWS is even heavier tongue.gif  But seeing Kedah class available space and current configuration on indian navy, 4 missile tubes would be the max, each 2 facing port and starboard  side. The space for VLS front of the deck most likely again will be reserved for defence system installation

2) structure wise again depends where the navy want to put them. if VLS, then have to cut a hole on the hull. In external, just place it in line with structure with a few minor reinforcements. Not that difficult for a ship, just a few extra added metal on critical support structure. Military ship are constructed using higher strength steel unlike civilian plus kedah class module system, most likely supported

3) depending on the drought. 22 knot is not technically its max speed. Max speed is top secret  laugh.gif  22knot you can call it cruising speed, for a cutter hull design ship, higher cruising speed is need for more fuel economy according to my fren from ALAM apparently to raise the hull above water  

4) No, ship work in a diff way, the engine and propeller will provide a constant push. what drag a ship or slow a ship down is the surface area or drought in contact with water. The more, the more friction. The less, the faster it goes. That why i say, if the drought does not drop much, the speed wont be affected significantly. Besides that, the marine grade diesel engine can go 110 or 120% continuously is needed

5) This i cant answer you. 1st, I dunno the specific details. But since it come with a sealed missile canister, i assume it does not need much power. But depending on the target acquisition system. Not sure if need a new system or can piggy back on existing one.

Neh, when you want something, the service provider will do everything for you including where to place bla bla. You just have to pay them like how you want to customised your car. BTW, it just speculation no need to get so serious, the brahmos news was during DSA 2010. By then even the navy may have changed their mind  whistling.gif
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1. went design weapon before ship is built is ok, but install different spec after ship is built is different.
2. the place can hole 10 tons on deck in kedah class only heli pad. on original ASM place is no. unless add new metal to support.
3. Max speed not secret, nothing hope on 2x5450kW diesel engine on kedah class too low power (just like 1000 tons warship power). and kedah class economic cruising speed only 12 knot, usually warship design at lease ideally at 25/26 knot, good design is warship standard is 30 knot for propellers. 22 kt just like not warship level, just like boat level. hard to do counter pirate & smuggle, slow to reach location (already happens recently)
4. just extra load for engine, kedah class already too low engine power.
5. only manufacture will know.
just discussion , nothing too serious.

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If RMN want to buy MdCN missile for future navy ship (assume fremm), you all think get approval from mbda & Nato ah...
we know got 300km missile export restriction but no means can't sell, just need special approval.

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Keel Laying for the RSN's First Littoral Mission Vessel

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Permanent Secretary (Defence) Mr Chan Yeng Kit (right) officiating at the Keel Laying Ceremony of the Republic of Singapore Navy's first Littoral Mission Vessel. On his right was Mr Ng Sing Chan, President of Singapore Technologies Marine Ltd.

The keel laying ceremony for the Republic of Singapore Navy (RSN)'s first Littoral Mission Vessel (LMV) was held at Singapore Technologies Marine (ST Marine) in Jurong today. Permanent Secretary (Defence) Mr Chan Yeng Kit officiated at the ceremony. The keel laying of the first LMV marks another significant milestone for the RSN.

This LMV is the first of eight new LMVs to be built for the RSN by ST Marine, together with ST Electronics and DSO National Laboratories. The Defence Science and Technology Agency is the overall programme manager and systems integrator for the LMV programme.

The LMVs, to be equipped with advanced combat systems, will be highly versatile and capable of embarking on various mission modules to fulfil a full spectrum of operations. To enable enhanced operational efficiency with a leaner crew size, cutting-edge technologies and innovative concepts have been integrated into the design of the LMVs.

The LMVs will replace the existing Fearless-class Patrol Vessels, which have served the RSN well for close to 20 years. The addition of the LMVs to the RSN will enhance the capabilities of the RSN for the seaward defence of Singapore.


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luckily is lousy ship only
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lousy ship?
better study first,
This type of ship is exactly we also need asap,i event hope gov can consider buy 24 unit for use in patrol ESCCOM, south china sea and Malacca strait.
it just new trend design navy ship not for for war fighting, it specially design OPV for anti-Piracy, anti-narcotic, anti-Smuggling , anti-terrorism at sea, it happens now in south china sea and Malacca strait and also suitable use in Esccom.
80 meter ship,With advance radar, 2 RIB for fast boarding/insertion, event UAV heli or Unman boat,76mm navy, gun 25mm Typhoon navy gun, 2x 20mm navy gun, 2 x 12.7 mm navy gun, n 1150 tons with 30 navy personal and 30 Mission personal. design look like mini Gowind L'Adriod.

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luckily is lousy ship only
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Er.. patrol boat only, no need for fancy2 stuff
Got cannon & gun cukup la tu
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 12 2014, 11:10 PM)
lousy ship?
better study first,
This type of ship is exactly we also need asap,i event hope gov can consider buy 24 unit for use in patrol ESCCOM, south china sea and Malacca strait. 
it just new trend design navy ship not for for war fighting, it specially design OPV for anti-Piracy, anti-narcotic, anti-Smuggling , anti-terrorism at sea, it happens now in south china sea and Malacca strait and also suitable use in Esccom.
80 meter ship,With advance radar, 2 RIB for fast boarding/insertion, event UAV heli or Unman boat,76mm navy, gun 25mm Typhoon navy gun, 2x 20mm navy gun, 2 x 12.7 mm navy gun, n 1150 tons  with 30 navy personal and 30 Mission personal. design look like mini Gowind L'Adriod.

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24 units? shocking.gif msia gomen kena toto?
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24 units?  shocking.gif  msia gomen kena toto?
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just patrol gun boat, not that expensive. expected USD 100 million + each. (just built in s'pore) not local built.

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just patrol gun boat, not that expensive. expected USD 100 million + each. (just built in s'pore) not local built.
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macam pergi pasar beli sayor..
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beli patrol boat like that loh, tak mahal. boleh dapat dengan cepat.
tapi sebab gov semua mahu local built , jadi semua ship jadi mahal-mahal and lambat-lambat
actually Australia Armidale/cape Class Patrol Boat also ok cost only usd 50 million each.

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 12 2014, 11:10 PM)
lousy ship?
better study first,
This type of ship is exactly we also need asap,i event hope gov can consider buy 24 unit for use in patrol ESCCOM, south china sea and Malacca strait. 
it just new trend design navy ship not for for war fighting, it specially design OPV for anti-Piracy, anti-narcotic, anti-Smuggling , anti-terrorism at sea, it happens now in south china sea and Malacca strait and also suitable use in Esccom.
80 meter ship,With advance radar, 2 RIB for fast boarding/insertion, event UAV heli or Unman boat,76mm navy, gun 25mm Typhoon navy gun, 2x 20mm navy gun, 2 x 12.7 mm navy gun, n 1150 tons  with 30 navy personal and 30 Mission personal. design look like mini Gowind L'Adriod.

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We need fac more than ever.
250 tonnage - 600 tonnage should be ideal for us to operates at silu sea.

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We need fac more than ever.
250 tonnage - 600 tonnage should be ideal for us to operates at silu sea.
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just example design we need patrol boat ....small to a bit bugger also can, not only esccom, also in south china sea & Malacca strait.
FAC other roll ship, we also needed, if budget issue, i really prefer patrol boat first. too many criminal in sea now.

if notice in photo also top model is FAC version with Harphoon 8x, ESSM missile。

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IT COULD be the look of an aerodynamic shape, or simply the engineering marvel that keeps a young boy’s eyes glued to the aircraft that speeds through the runway before lift-off.

But for air force Major Saravanasennan R. Veerasennan, who had his sight fixated on becoming a pilot, his interest was to fly the aircraft.

Today, not only is he a pilot, but he is also an instructor of military pilots.

“I have always been a passionate student of science, particularly aircraft and rocket-related technologies,” he told StarMetro.

Recollecting his younger days, he said he was selected as one of 60 cadet officer candidates after a stringent selection process of more than a thousand candidates to the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) College in Alor Setar in 1997 as the first step to realise his dream.

After graduating with a diploma in aeronautical engineering, the next phase of challenge began where he put his knowledge to test and his hand to the yoke, or known as a control column used to piloting fixed-wing aircraft in the No 1 Flying Training Centre (1 FTC) or known as PULATIBANG 1 among the military fraternity.

Known as the “home where Malaysia’s military pilots are born”, the centre celebrated its golden jubilee on Aug 23.

Air Force Chief General Tan Sri Rodzali Daud congratulated the pioneers of the flying school who had grown it to what it was today.

“I am proud that the school has passed the test of time and raised to a respected level of capability, professionalism and readiness of what we witness today,” he said.

After relocating from Kuala Lumpur to the RMAF Base in Alor Setar in 1964, the early days of the centre was mainly staffed with officers seconded from the Royal Air Force from England.

Captain John F. Woodard (Rtd), the first commanding officer (CO) from July 1, 1964 to Jan 1, 1966, who was present at the event, shared his experience of Malaysian hospitality and its determined pioneers to build the centre.

“I remember being invited to the officers’ weddings. It is an eye opener to see the different cultures and how different races hold their weddings,” he said, proud to see how the place had grown.

Former RMAF chief air vice-marshal (Rtd) Tan Sri Sulaiman Sujak said he knew he was groomed to be a Malaysian air force chief.

“I need people to believe that they are in a professional air force, and are passionate that we will succeed,” he said in an interview.

Since the first Chipmunk training aircraft seconded from RAF, the RMAF has since purchased various training aircrafts, including the Piston Provost, Bulldog 100, Dove, Cessna 402B, Aerotiga MD3, Pilatus PC-7 to current model, the Pilatus PC-7 MK II.

Rodzali said there were plans to add five more planes by year-end.

The centre would also train more instructors locally.

“Since 1966, 1,200 pilots have graduated from here. This include pilots for other services, namely the army, navy and also pilots from foreign air forces such as Bangladeshi Air Force and Indonesian Air Force” said Rodzali.

The pilots would then further their training in different squadrons that operated various planes, from transport aircraft, fighters to helicopters.

Rodzali further added that the challenges for the air force in the 21st century were unpredictable and military campaigns demanded an agile air force that is capable of conducting a wide range of military operations in various dimensions, from peace time and conflict, local or abroad and conventional or unconventional warfare.

Current CO Colonel Yee Yit Hong said the instructors evaluated their students, not just from the flying perspective, but also their social and psychology among other aspects.

He added that knowledge, skill and attitude remained key elements of what made a professional RMAF pilot.

“We maintain stringent standards and at the same time do our best to understand the student as a whole and go all out to assist them to the best of our ability,” he concluded.


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Impossible la.. U think najib wan buy made in singapore products??
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Impossible la.. U think najib wan buy made in singapore products??
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najib very fren wif lee jr. also singkie defence companies know how 2 give angpow... 2 big point
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The air force pilots are the most glamorous in the military

these people sitting on chariots that can rain death on the enemy

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Australia’s move towards buying up to 12 Japanese Soryu submarines represents a historic and deeply controversial shift in national defence and military acquisition policy.

If, as seems increasingly likely, political and industry leaders in Tokyo and Canberra can agree on terms, the Japanese submarines would be Australia’s first major strategic defence procurement from an Asian power and would significantly boost the country’s regional maritime power.

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We should get a couple of this subs. It's a long endurance SSK which mean's we can park one of this outside of Chinese ports.

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We should get a couple of this subs. It's a long endurance SSK which mean's we can park one of this outside of Chinese ports.
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why so against china?
event we got that sub, we also nothing to flight with china. china missile just easily destroy our city.
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why so against china?
event we got that sub, we also nothing to flight with china. china missile just easily destroy our city.
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If they stupid enough to use nuke against a non-nuclear country.
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when Malaysia will go dasar pandang ke timur and buy some subs, surface vesses and tangki from jepang?
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why so against china?
event we got that sub, we also nothing to flight with china. china missile just easily destroy our city.
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coz they hv been influenced and brainwashed by western propaganda.. jealousy towards local chinese have some impact too...


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when Malaysia will go dasar pandang ke timur and buy some subs, surface vesses and tangki from jepang?
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when Tun M jadik PM lagi, dia memang suka nippon tongue.gif
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If they stupid enough to use nuke against a non-nuclear country.
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not need nuke,
i means conventional warhead enough liao ....
nuke just will used maybe ww3 or with us
no need think too much,
china using economic power also can make as down ... our economic depend on them.
no need too anti-china .. win win cooperation much better for future ...

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when Malaysia will go dasar pandang ke timur and buy some subs, surface vesses and tangki from jepang?
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china will punish as if we buy weapon from japan ... direct or indirect way using economic, etc etc ...

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why so against china?
event we got that sub, we also nothing to flight with china. china missile just easily destroy our city.
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It's not going to war with them. It's just showing our presence. They came to our shore playing wargames and we came to their shore too. It's called saber ratling. We do have territorial dispute with them.
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china will punish as if we buy weapon from japan ... direct or indirect way using economic, etc etc ...
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We can always buy indirectly as well. We use say, Swedish shipyard, and the name also change, say, Nordland class, but the design is essentially Soryu and the expert workers is from Japan.
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china will punish as if we buy weapon from japan ... direct or indirect way using economic, etc etc ...
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Really arhhh? Our ATM is using FN-6 manpads from China, and our APMM used KM Marlin, a ship from Japan. So why no China's sanction against us?
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Really arhhh? Our ATM is using FN-6 manpads from China, and our APMM used KM Marlin, a ship from Japan. So why no China's sanction against us?
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that weapon not first level weapon ....
km marlin just security force small boat. not category as navy ship.

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It's not going to war with them. It's just showing our presence. They came to our shore playing wargames and we came to their shore too. It's called saber ratling. We do have territorial dispute with them.
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no problem to buy how many unit sub, use in our water ok lah, but go to china shore just serious provocation, we not us/japan level country. u think we got power to provocation china ? any benefit to this ? china scare to our sub ? haha ....
now both country work together for economic grow ...

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 15 2014, 01:09 PM)
no problem to buy how many unit sub, use in our water ok lah, but go to china shore just serious provocation, we not us/japan level country. u think we got power to provocation china ? any benefit to this ? china scare to our sub ? haha ....
now both country work together for economic grow ...
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ppl rather jilat the jubur of those that slaughtered thousands of msians during ww2 than to support friends than benefit the country since 500 years ago... rather support allies of evil regime that support zionist whom has been slaughtering their fellow brothers in the middle east for years... memang dont understand how these topkek ppl are thinking... tu la, sifat dengki, otak kena cuci...




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ppl rather jilat the jubur of those that slaughtered thousands of msians during ww2 than to support friends than benefit the country since 500 years ago... rather support allies of evil regime that support zionist whom has been slaughtering their fellow brothers in the middle east for years... memang dont understand how these topkek ppl are thinking... tu la, sifat dengki, otak kena cuci...

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PLA launches newest Type 056 Jiangdao corvette

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Type 056 number 594 under fitting after a successfull launch & sea trials

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The PLA recently launched its latest ship in the Type 056 corvette line (Number 503). The ship line,classified as a missile corvette, is 89 meters long and weighs 1,300 tons in displacement. The Type 056 is designed for modularity, with 4 modular design modules able to be fitted onto the basic hull (Anti-Ship, Anti-Submarine, Anti-Aircraft and command flagship versions).

The basic Type 056 is armed with 1x 76mm gun, 2x 30mm CIWS, 1x 8-cell SAM launcher, 4x C803 Anti-ship missiles and 2 torpedo launchers. There is a helipad for a light helicopter, but no hangar bay. The Type 056 has some features to help reduce its detection signature such as an absence of sharp angles on the superstructure that could reflect radar and also an IR masking system on the chimney and engine systems.

While on paper,the Type 056 is somewhat of a good,if unremarkable vessel,what is most notable feature of the Type 056 is the sheer pace of its construction.The PLA ordered 30 units of the vessel for its navy only in 2010 and remarkably the first Type 056 (Bengbu, number 582) was already launched in 2012. In the space of 2 years (2012-2014) the construction companies have launched 22(TWENTY TWO) Type 056 ships!! That's a rate of one vessel per month!!

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PLA launches newest Type 056 Jiangdao corvette

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The PLA recently launched its latest ship in the Type 056 corvette line (Number 503). The ship line,classified as a missile corvette, is 89 meters long and weighs 1,300 tons in displacement. The Type 056 is designed for modularity, with 4 modular design modules able to be fitted onto the basic hull (Anti-Ship, Anti-Submarine, Anti-Aircraft and command flagship versions).

The basic Type 056 is armed with 1x 76mm gun, 2x 30mm CIWS, 1x 8-cell SAM launcher, 2x C082 Anti-ship missiles and 2 torpedo launchers. There is a helipad for a light helicopter, but no hangar bay. The Type 056 has some features to help reduce its detection signature such as an absence of sharp angles on the superstructure that could reflect radar and also an IR masking system on the chimney and engine systems.

While on paper,the Type 056 is somewhat of a good,if unremarkable vessel,what is most notable feature of the Type 056 is the sheer pace of its construction.The PLA ordered 30 units of the vessel for its navy only in 2010 and remarkably the first Type 056 (Bengbu, number 582) was already launched in 2012. In the space of 2 years (2012-2014) the construction companies have launched 22(TWENTY TWO) Type 056 ships!! That's a rate of one vessel per month!!

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 15 2014, 02:17 PM)
PLA launches newest Type 056 Jiangdao corvette

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Type 056 number 594 under fitting after a successfull launch & sea trials

The PLA recently launched its latest ship in the Type 056 corvette line (Number 503). The ship line,classified as a missile corvette, is 89 meters long and weighs 1,300 tons in displacement. The Type 056 is designed for modularity, with 4 modular design modules able to be fitted onto the basic hull (Anti-Ship, Anti-Submarine, Anti-Aircraft and command flagship versions).

The basic Type 056 is armed with 1x 76mm gun, 2x 30mm CIWS, 1x 8-cell SAM launcher, 2x C082 Anti-ship missiles and 2 torpedo launchers. There is a helipad for a light helicopter, but no hangar bay. The Type 056 has some features to help reduce its detection signature such as an absence of sharp angles on the superstructure that could reflect radar and also an IR masking system on the chimney and engine systems.

While on paper,the Type 056 is somewhat of a good,if unremarkable vessel,what is most notable feature of the Type 056 is the sheer pace of its construction.The PLA ordered 30 units of the vessel for its navy only in 2010 and remarkably the first Type 056 (Bengbu, number 582) was already launched in 2012. In the space of 2 years (2012-2014) the construction companies have launched 22(TWENTY TWO) Type 056 ships!! That's a rate of one vessel per month!!

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Wait to see china 12,000 tons new type 055 destroyer and 5000 tons type 057 Frigate. biggrin.gif
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Our Army Number 4 uniform!

A rifle will be useless without ammunition. Likewise, armies cannot function without their uniform.

Our Army uniform has gone through a long way of development to attain its current state. Immense amounts of research have been put in to adapt it to the environment we live in, and technology has been integrated to ensure it is comfortable yet provides our soldiers with incredible camouflage ability.

How many soldiers can you find in this photo?

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Lester Lee - Hiding in the dark of coz cannot see..nothing to do with uniform good anot.

Reggie Chen - Doesn't matter. As long as you're in the dark, no one can see you despite what you wear

Chung Khai Shi - Lol uniform make a different too even it is in the dark~

Jonathan Yan - Know why they can't be seen? Firstly, too small. Secondly, too dark. And too much shadows. Nothing to do with uniforms.

Eddie Tan - Bad picture.. All hiding in the dark..

Ryan Seet - Bad resolution and hiding in the shadows does not reflect the abilities very well

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Sep 15 2014, 03:04 PM)
Sinkie army got flak for posting this picture..

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Even polar bear hiding in shadow you cannot see, how got to do with uniform? hahaha

Even worse hiding in shadow, once start shooting muzzle flash easily reveal your position

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India accepts INS Kolakata Guided Missile Destroyer into service

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As of August 2014, the Indian Navy has received the Kolkata-class guided missile destroyer INS Kolkata into service. The ship, built locally at Magazon Shipyards in Mumbai, India is the first accepted into service from 3 of its class currently in the fitting stage (INS Kochi) and advanced sea trials (INS Chennai). The ships were originally scheduled to be taken into service in 2010,but discovered flaws in design pushed the date to 2014. The rest of the class is expected to be delivered in 2016 (INS Kochi)and 2017 (INS Chennai.

The Kolkata-class destroyers are 168 meters in length and weigh 7,500 tons in displacement. The ships are powered by a turbine engine and have a complement of 350 officers & crewmen. Ships of the class are installed with an AESA type radar and advanced fire-control systems. Armament-wise, they are armed with a potent mix of offensive and defensive weaponries. These include:

Anti-Aircraft weapons:

2x 32 cell VLS launch system capable of launching either Barak-1 (medium-range)or Barak-8 (long-range) SAM missiles
4x 6-barreled AK630 30mm CIWS gun system
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2x 8 cell VLS launcher for BrahMos Anti-Ship missile

Anti-Submarine weapons:

2x Anti-Submarine missile launchers
4x 533mm Torpedo launchers

The ships are also equipped with a helicopter landing pad and hangar facilities for 2 observation/ASW helicopters.


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Kh-31A anti-ship missile successfully fired from a Su-30MKM

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Kh-31A anti-ship missile successfully fired from a Su-30MKM

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Imagine we buy 1 or 2 to use as flagship and replace barak with buk and s300/s400 biggrin.gif fvcking badass
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actually quite outdated ship, already delay 10 year to commission after many problem, so many integration issue. mix many different system and sensor. radar AESA just 250km range, funny is back is using 2D thales radar, they should change to smart-L 3D radar.....
can say not destroyer level ship. and crew need 325 personal, sure automation is very low and outdated.



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SHAH ALAM: A Sukhoi Su-30MKM of the RMAF is scheduled to fire a Kh-31P anti-radiation missile (ARM) within the next few days.

The supersonic missile will be aimed at a floating radar emitter target that “is being towed as we speak to the range located on the South China Sea,” RMAF Air Operations Commander Lt Jen Datuk Seri Ackbal Abdul Samad.


The target was contracted to Ikramatic Sdn Bhd while RMAF is solely responsible for firing the missile without any support from the manufacturer

Just last week, another Su-30MKM from the 11th Squadron fired the anti-ship version of the Kh-31A at another floating target as part of the integrated missile firing exercise, Ex Angsa 9/2014.

According to the Ackbal, the target for the ARM was located at a different area away from the Ex Angsa site as it needed to be anchored to the sea bed. “The Ex Angsa target is located a site codenamed Alpha while for the ARM the location is known as Bravo

Ackbal said the Kh-31A was the first missile fired at the target, which was followed by the RMN’s Sea Skua and Exocet missiles. The Sea Skua was fired a Super Lyxnx helicopter and Exocet by the frigate, KD Kasturi.


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I thot arleigh burke oso 300 plus, even tho outdated its still going be best ship in southeast asia and maybe bcos outdated will be cheaper biggrin.gif or we shud just build gowind batch ii with upgraded sam
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US arleigh burke DDG more advance system, more extra system and weapon, more bigger, so the crew is ok. not point to get Gowind II, it to small to put advance radar as Anti-Air Frigate, direct go to dcns FM400 or Fremm, cost not much different ( i means cost of size hull ship not much different now, just 5%~15% different) , dcns FM400 or Fremm-LE more bigger so provide more electric to support advance AESA radar (4 fix panel type) .


i wet dream hope we get australia Hobart class destroyer, a oz version of US navy Aegis DDG (smaller version) with 6250 tons and around 200 crew. just take same all design and system and weapon, cost around estimated 1.2~1.5 billion, australia version cost higher due on include initial program rnd cost (pay to us to design the ship and Aegis + integration). this will call powerfull Anti-Air Destroyer for RMN



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RMAF to fire First ARM

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SMX-25 Submarine Concept

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For this concept ship project, DCNS focused on how to get what is essentially a conventional submarine to a theatre of operations as quickly as possible. Powered by three gas turbines driving three water jets, the SMX-25 submersible is designed to achieve a sustained surface speed of 38 knots.
Despite the fact that the SMX-25 can deploy very quickly, it is essentially a conventional submarine. On reaching its designated patrol area, the SMX-25 will operate like other submarines using the same types of sensors and resources.
In the innovative semi-surfaced configuration, with only the upper portion of the sail above water, the boat will be able to use the same sorts of sensors (including an aircraft surveillance radar) and weapons as a conventional surface combatant (i.e. anti-ship, land-strike and anti-air missiles launched from vertical silos) while maintaining an extremely discrete radar signature.
The SMX-25 will be equipped to deploy combat swimmers and their delivery vehicles, commandos, unmanned underwater vehicles (UUVs) and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs).

Length overall 109 m
Max. speed, semi-surfaced 38 knots
Displacement, surface 2,850 tonnes
Displacement, submerged 4,560 tonnes
Speed, submerged 10 knots
Endurance, patrol 30 days


Sos: http://en.dcnsgroup.com/innovation-technology/smx-25/

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PLA Navy to receive 3 more Yuzhao-Class LPD by 2017

In addition to the three Yuzhao-Class LPD ships already in service (Kunlun Shan, Jianggang Shan & Changbai Shan), the PLA is set to receive the rest of the Yuzhao-Class ships by 2017.

The Tanggula Shan & Tai Shan is set to be launched in 2015 and after fittings, scheduled to be in full service by 2017. Another hull is still under preliminary construction and may be launched by 2018. The three ships already in service is deployed in the PLA South seas fleet,based on Hainan island. All the 3 future deliveries are slated to be deployed in the East Seas fleet at Ningbo, Zhejiang province.

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Bandung, West Java (ANTARA News) - State-owned arms manufacturer PT Pindad has cooperated with Belgian Cockerill Maintenance & Ingeniere SA Defence (CMI) company to build tanks with weapon capacity ranging from 25- to 105-millimeter caliber.

"At the initial stage, we will produce 90- and 105-millimeter caliber torrent weapon system. This is a strategic cooperation not only for the development of Pindad as an assembler, but also for technology upgradation," stated the Pindad's president director Sudirman Said here on Monday.

The agreement was signed by Said and Vice President CMI James Claude in Pindad's panzer production hangar, Bandung.

Said noted that the cooperation was an effort to bring Pindad into the global weapon supply chain systems market with CMI.

"We are optimistic that this cooperation will be widely recognized in the global military circles," he noted. So far, Pindad has produced armoured personnel carrier in 6x6 class named Anoa, that also used by UN's Peacekeeping Force.

Both Pindad and CMI will also make more detailed cooperation partnership, one of which is by discussing the 90- and 105-millimeter caliber weaponry system.

"PINDAD will also have the opportunity to send their employees to learn at CMI weapons systems," Said added.

He said that this cooperation is also intended to increase Pindad's role in the defense industry.

"This cooperation is aimed at building Pindad's human resources and technology mastery to prepare them to enter the global supply chain in the world of defense industry," he added.

The executive vice president is optimistic that the cooperation with PINDAD will increase the potential of Indonesia in weapons system and support a strong defense system.

"We are pleased to sign the agreement, which is the beginning of a long-term cooperation in the assembly and technology of weapons systems that will benefit Pindad and Indonesian national security in the future," Claude added.

Earlier, Pindad had also cooperated with South African Rheinmetal Denel Munition in the development of large-caliber ammunition.


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Numerically, PLA Navy can be largest navy in eastern hemisphere in the next 5 years. Maybe in 10 years PRC military as a whole can reach contemporary US military's level.

Right now, I'm really interested in the PLA Type 052D DDGs. This is another example of the Chinese shipyards' ridiculously fast pace of ship-building. The PLA had just ordered 13 of the powerful destroyers in 2012, but 3 are already under service (Kunming, Changsha & Guiyang) while 4 more are under advanced stages of construction & fittings (Chengdu, Heifiei, Nanjing, Yinchuan & Taiyuan) and should be launched around 2016. The remaining 6 on order will start construction on the finishing of the ships currently under order.

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Numerically, PLA Navy can be largest navy in eastern hemisphere in the next 5 years. Maybe in 10 years PRC military as a whole can reach contemporary US military's level. 

Right now, I'm really interested in the PLA Type 052D DDGs. This is another example of the Chinese shipyards' ridiculously fast pace of ship-building. The PLA had just ordered 13 of the powerful destroyers in 2012, but 3 are already under service (Kunming, Changsha & Guiyang) while 4 more are under advanced stages of construction & fittings (Chengdu, Heifiei, Nanjing, Yinchuan & Taiyuan) and should be launched around 2016. The remaining 6 on order will start construction on the finishing of the ships currently under order.

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Yes.....once Type 052D and its derivatives are produced in large enough number to match Arleigh Burke class. China will start to contest US Pacific fleet. There's also a mock up of its future cruiser as well. But China is still weak in air aviation and submarine force.

US Navy can still send in plenty of Hornets over and over...firing massed HARM and Harpoon to saturate China's fleet. China may need about 15-20 carriers to match US Navy, considering less aircrafts in each carrier
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Numerically, PLA Navy can be largest navy in eastern hemisphere in the next 5 years. Maybe in 10 years PRC military as a whole can reach contemporary US military's level. 

Right now, I'm really interested in the PLA Type 052D DDGs. This is another example of the Chinese shipyards' ridiculously fast pace of ship-building. The PLA had just ordered 13 of the powerful destroyers in 2012, but 3 are already under service (Kunming, Changsha & Guiyang) while 4 more are under advanced stages of construction & fittings (Chengdu, Heifiei, Nanjing, Yinchuan & Taiyuan) and should be launched around 2016. The remaining 6 on order will start construction on the finishing of the ships currently under order.

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actually 052D will stop after 10-12 unit (some forum leak, maybe will have 2nd phase), but next year we should see first ship new generation 12,000 tons type 055 destroyer start construction, this is ship waiting by China navy to match Arleigh Burke class. end of this year we will see first unit 12,000 tons china coast guard ship lunch first. i also china military fans, every day see china military forum.

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Anybody here boleh faham why philippine rank higher than malaysia on global firepower
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higher no. of active personnel?
coz they have ongoing conflict?

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bcos they have more population(100 million vs 28 million) so technically can provide more/long term military personal went needed. they get lot point from this.

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Anybody here boleh faham why philippine rank higher than malaysia on global firepower
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In all my years as a military fanboi, one thing I learnt is never to take any of these military ranking seriously. Most of these figures are based on quality instead of quality. Of course they may help,but how many tanks you have doesn't correspond on actually how good you use them in actual combat. For me these rankings more of a d*ck-measuring contest if anything.

Although, even if some people would choose to believe those rankings, I think any sane military fanboi around here can actually see how absurd that Philippine military with second-hand 40 year old ships, no heavy tanks and practically no Air Force can possibly be higher in rank than Malaysian military.

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Secret discussions revealed: US asks Malaysia for Maritime Reconnaissance base in Sabah

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According to a senior diplomat familiar with the talks, the US have been discussing with Malaysian government officials for 'some time' on the possibility of a basing agreement in the Malaysian state of Sabah for US P-8 Poseidon maritime reconnaissance planes to monitor the South China Sea.

The statement seems to have been confirmed by the US Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral Jonathan W. Greenert when he spoke at a forum in Washington last week. He was quoted as "the recent offer by Malaysia for P-8 Poseidon aircraft to fly out of the country’s most eastern area would give the United States greater proximity to the South China Sea".

Malaysian Defense minister Tun Hishamuddin Hussein,when asked by local press about an agreement for a Malaysian-US deal on 'US fighters' to operate out of Sabah, the minister replied: "that is not true".

(Although as P-8 Poseidons are not "fighter" planes.... so technically the MENHAN did not lie....biggrin.gif )

News Link:Malaysia to base US Navy Poseidons?

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Secret discussions revealed: US asks Malaysia for Reconnaissance base in Sabah

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According to a senior diplomat familiar with the talks, the US have been discussing with Malaysian government officials for 'some time' on the possibility of a basing agreement in the Malaysian state of Sabah for naval reconnaissance P-8 Aircrafts to monitor the South China Sea.

The statement seems to have been confirmed by the US Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral Jonathan W. Greenert when he spoke at a forum in Washington last week. He was quoted as "the recent offer by Malaysia for P-8 Poseidon aircraft to fly out of the country’s most eastern area would give the United States greater proximity to the South China Sea".

Malaysian Defense minister Tun Hishamuddin Hussein,when asked by local press about an agreement for a Malaysian-US deal on 'US fighters' to operate out of Sabah, the minister replied: "that is not true", according to local press.
(Although probably a technicality issue,as P-8 Poseidons are not "fighter" planes.... so technically the MENHAN did not lie....biggrin.gif )

News Link:Malaysia to base US Navy Poseidons?
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mula2 basing P-8 Poseidon, later basing F18/22/35...

ikut SOP on how the Brits colonize Malaysia..
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mula2 basing P-8 Poseidon, later basing F18/22/35...

ikut SOP on how the Brits colonize Malaysia..
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I'm more surprised the US just don't base them in the Philippines and be done with it. From there they basically have the same area of coverage in the Spratlys. They got more beef with China & Pinoys are already US cronies anyway. Sure won't have any objections.
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No big deal la.....

Anyway.....pray for our success.... vmt out.
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Why cant they just re use subic bay for their p-8 instead of Malaysia? It used to be naval air station cubi point. Now quite a quiet airport.
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mula2 basing P-8 Poseidon, later basing F18/22/35...

ikut SOP on how the Brits colonize Malaysia..
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 17 2014, 11:39 AM)
I'm more surprised the US just don't base them in the Philippines and be done with it. From there they basically have the same area of coverage in the Spratlys. They got more beef with China & Pinoys are already US cronies anyway. Sure won't have any objections.
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too close, others can take it as direct confrontation whistling.gif BTW southern philipenes is like a lawless area, i doubt US want their expensive planes there

Malaysia is still better, relatively safe, neutral and not too far not too close rolleyes.gif


I think the top minister sure pening kepala one, we ad got a quite good relation to china and this US official go buka mulut tempayan sweat.gif


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No big deal la.....

Anyway.....pray for our success.... vmt out.
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One of the most famous footage of Syrian War. Also shows the weakness of tanks with Russian design. Once the charge bags ignited, the fire can burst like blowtorch and in some cases, the turret can be thrown.
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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Sep 17 2014, 04:58 PM)
One of the most famous footage of Syrian War. Also shows the weakness of tanks with Russian design. Once the charge bags ignited, the fire can burst like blowtorch and in some cases, the turret can be thrown.
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T72 is old generation tank but use in combat, while nowaday can get modern anti tank RPG with cheap price.
Tank r not support to get in the city area, it like sitting duck.
same thing happen when T80 1st debut at chechnya war. The tank either being destroy by RPG from rooftop, or the tank crew being kill when they came out to take a breath & get snipe from the lower window by Chechnya female sniper.
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QUOTE(limfreelance @ Sep 17 2014, 05:03 PM)
T72 is old generation tank but use in combat, while nowaday can get modern anti tank RPG with cheap price.
Tank r not support to get in the city area, it like sitting duck.
same thing happen when T80 1st debut at chechnya war. The tank either being destroy by RPG from rooftop, or the tank crew being kill when they came out to take a breath & get snipe from the lower window by Chechnya female sniper.
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Armored vehicles never meant to be fought in fibua, the more side/top/bottom armor you put to counter that just makes it a larger target
Infantry is the core unit to take any position in fibua, room by room, block by block, pure dirty work
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 17 2014, 11:07 AM)
Secret discussions revealed: US asks Malaysia for Maritime Reconnaissance base in Sabah

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According to a senior diplomat familiar with the talks, the US have been discussing with Malaysian government officials for 'some time' on the possibility of a basing agreement in the Malaysian state of Sabah for US P-8 Poseidon maritime reconnaissance planes to monitor the South China Sea.

The statement seems to have been confirmed by the US Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral Jonathan W. Greenert when he spoke at a forum in Washington last week. He was quoted as "the recent offer by Malaysia for P-8 Poseidon aircraft to fly out of the country’s most eastern area would give the United States greater proximity to the South China Sea".

Malaysian Defense minister Tun Hishamuddin Hussein,when asked by local press about an agreement for a Malaysian-US deal on 'US fighters' to operate out of Sabah, the minister replied: "that is not true".

(Although as P-8 Poseidons are not "fighter" planes.... so technically the MENHAN did not lie....biggrin.gif )

News Link:Malaysia to base US Navy Poseidons?
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what the big deal? RAAF P-3 operate in "penang"~singapore long time already.
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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 17 2014, 03:13 PM)
if follow your mind, mean australia which used to base at penang air force base considered invaded us ad lah?
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too close, others can take it as direct confrontation  whistling.gif  BTW southern philipenes is like a lawless area, i doubt US want their expensive planes there

Malaysia is still better, relatively safe, neutral and not too far not too close rolleyes.gif
I think the top minister sure pening kepala one, we ad got a quite good relation to china and this US official go buka mulut tempayan  sweat.gif
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not only that. malaysia is low key. unlike pinoy who dare to show their fist eventhough they can't take any punch just because they make sure everyone knows abang sam stand behind them. this could be problematic for the american. no way will american take on the chinese directly but things may get complex with pinoy's attitude. malaysia on the other hand will keep things low. american has been using malaysian facilities all these while unofficially (approval on case-by-case basis). no problem at all.
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Sep 17 2014, 05:14 PM)
Armored vehicles never meant to be fought in fibua, the more side/top/bottom armor you put to counter that just makes it a larger target
Infantry is the core unit to take any position in fibua, room by room, block by block, pure dirty work
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Tanks can still be useful in urban settings for softening up infantry emplacements, but not for spearhead. This requires a lot of training and coordination between tank and infantry units
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QUOTE(pcboss00 @ Sep 17 2014, 05:16 PM)
what the big deal? RAAF P-3 operate in "penang"~singapore long time already.
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Not only that, occasionally you see F-18s and even F-111s in RAAF Butterworth.
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QUOTE(Dopus @ Sep 17 2014, 04:28 PM)
Not only that, occasionally you see F-18s and even F-111s in RAAF Butterworth.
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That is becoz fpda agreement.
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Will it become a hub for foreign militali again? Just like in the past? Will it be the new kadena?

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Then China also demand basing right in Labuan also.
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A busy day for the Indonesian Defence Industries.

*Handover ceremony of the 3rd CN-235 MPA by PT.DI to the Indonesian Naval Aviation.

PT DI Serahkan CN 235 ke Puspenerbal


*Handover ceremony of the 3rd KCR-60 KRI Halasan by PT.PAL to the Indonesian Navy.

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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 17 2014, 03:13 PM)
if follow your mind, mean australia which used to base at penang air force base considered invaded us ad lah?
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QUOTE(Dopus @ Sep 17 2014, 05:28 PM)
Not only that, occasionally you see F-18s and even F-111s in RAAF Butterworth.
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thats under FPDA..that time also we have weaker armed forces and fighting the commies
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 17 2014, 11:07 AM)
Secret discussions revealed: US asks Malaysia for Maritime Reconnaissance base in Sabah

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According to a senior diplomat familiar with the talks, the US have been discussing with Malaysian government officials for 'some time' on the possibility of a basing agreement in the Malaysian state of Sabah for US P-8 Poseidon maritime reconnaissance planes to monitor the South China Sea.

The statement seems to have been confirmed by the US Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral Jonathan W. Greenert when he spoke at a forum in Washington last week. He was quoted as "the recent offer by Malaysia for P-8 Poseidon aircraft to fly out of the country’s most eastern area would give the United States greater proximity to the South China Sea".

Malaysian Defense minister Tun Hishamuddin Hussein,when asked by local press about an agreement for a Malaysian-US deal on 'US fighters' to operate out of Sabah, the minister replied: "that is not true".

(Although as P-8 Poseidons are not "fighter" planes.... so technically the MENHAN did not lie....biggrin.gif )

News Link:Malaysia to base US Navy Poseidons?
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YES PLEASE!!!!

only make aviation enthusiasts like me excited that US jets are landing more often on our soil and parking here

yes Malaysia holds a very strategic location. We both have straits of Malacca and south china sea

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 17 2014, 09:35 PM)
thats under FPDA..that time also we have weaker armed forces and fighting the commies
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What commies??? The last time I saw F-111 flying over head was in 2010. Not sure if the Hornet still visits as frequently but I suppose they do. I have been on the island for few years and haven't got a chance to see those birds.
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QUOTE(AxeFire @ Sep 17 2014, 09:47 PM)
YES PLEASE!!!!

only make aviation enthusiasts like me excited that US jets are landing more often on our soil and parking here

yes Malaysia holds a very strategic location. We both have straits of Malacca and south china sea
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QUOTE(Dopus @ Sep 17 2014, 09:51 PM)
What commies??? The last time I saw F-111 flying over head was in 2010. Not sure if the Hornet still visits as frequently but I suppose they do. I have been on the island for few years and haven't got a chance to see those birds.
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bro, RAAF been basing their jets long time la for FPDA...since we upgraded our airforce by getting MIG29, F18 and later SU30MKM, they not really have their planes based here, juts on rotational FPDA assignments..Butterworth pun already got F18s and Hawks..

Oz dun really wanted to be here, while the Yanks are desperate to be here
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if the p-8 come here will it detect where all the subs moving around the south china sea?
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if the p-8 come here will it detect where all the subs moving around the south china sea?
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they were trying to use it to find MH370

so i yes it can find subs

how well it can do it is classified

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Greyhound used to frequent Sg Besi few times in a year. You know who is hanging around when you see one.
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 17 2014, 09:54 PM)
bro, RAAF been basing their jets long time la for FPDA...since we upgraded our airforce by getting MIG29, F18 and later SU30MKM, they not really have their planes based here, juts on rotational FPDA assignments..Butterworth pun already got F18s and Hawks..

Oz dun really wanted to be here, while the Yanks are desperate to be here
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I know but what is with the commies thing??? Those days has long gone and RAAF is still here. They don't station fighters here only Orion.
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Cuz if in malaysia means one more country supposedly against china unless china also base in malaysia
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Who exactly is threatening who, actually?

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 17 2014, 10:25 PM)
The ridiculous irony is that US have foreign bases to supposedly militarily contain the PRC, a country that have absolutely no foreign bases.

Who exactly is threatening who, actually?
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yes, some people here think simply us P8 asw park here, technically easy, but politically is hard for mindef, malaysia should play middle between US and China,if agree P8 park here, most likely will offend china. if reject also may offend to us. u should know mh370 case china gov already try hard to minimum criticize our to protect our relationship.
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 17 2014, 09:25 PM)
The ridiculous irony is that US have foreign bases all over Asia-Pacific to supposedly contain the PRC. Yet accusing PRC of wanting to control Asia-Pacific.

Who exactly is threatening who, actually?

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So true..we have been friends with china long beyond the ming dynasty..till now they never reequestd set up a base. But why shud we give a place for the p-8 then? whistling.gif
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Who do u trust , china or US ?
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China have their pandas here, but US want to put P-8 here? Howcome?
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China have their pandas here, but US want to put P-8 here? Howcome?
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Japan and sinkie also got their panda from china, it dun really means anything than a front of "china is friendly"
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Japan and sinkie also got their panda from china, it dun really means anything than a front of "china is friendly"
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But tv news keep on saying "jalinan persahabatan" over and over and over again.
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QUOTE(Piap @ Sep 17 2014, 10:43 PM)
So true..we have been friends with china long beyond the ming dynasty..till now they never reequestd set up a base. But why shud we give a place for the p-8 then? whistling.gif
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But tv news keep on saying "jalinan persahabatan" over and over and over again.
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if the US wanted to base their aircraft here including jet fighters, at least sell us AESA-equipped F18Fs at harga kawan
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if the US wanted to base their aircraft here including jet fighters, at least sell us AESA-equipped F18Fs at harga kawan
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Sell harga kawan but if later on become like this again no point lor.


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QUOTE(Piap @ Sep 17 2014, 11:41 PM)
Sell harga kawan but if later on become like this again no point lor.

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Amirika also know la madey only talk for political points from local je..last time he can talk like that all the time coz pepol got no other avenue to receive news other than Otosan, BH, RTM and TV3 and no got internet to air their views..so madey tot all pepol agree with what he said...

someone in /k/ did quote me on this and made into his siggy wat
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The ridiculous irony is that the US have bases all over Asia-Pacific to supposedly control/contain the threat of PRC. Yet at the same time accusing PRC of wanting to control Asia-Pacific.

Who exactly is threatening who, actually?

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There's nothing wrong with protecting your allies and making sure they toe the line (Japan). After all, in this region the aggressor isn't the US. All those bases have been purely for defense of their allies.

QUOTE(Piap @ Sep 17 2014, 10:43 PM)
So true..we have been friends with china long beyond the ming dynasty..till now they never reequestd set up a base. But why shud we give a place for the p-8 then? whistling.gif
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It's been a useless relationship. When Malacca was invaded, where was Ming? Nowhere. Their words and promises were useless. Malacca paid tribute in return for military protection and they didn't do shit. One of their other tributaries invaded Malacca and what did they do? Just send an envoy conveying their anger to that tributary and refused to do anything. When the Portuguese invaded and took Malacca, they didn't do squat to help take it back or give military support. They just took the easy way out and executed the Portuguese that were already in China. Fat lot of good that did for us. All that gold in tribute given in vain. When they were under commie rule or invaded by Japan, we were the ones to send support back to China, not them to us. We were one of the first in the world to recognize their country.

China has the potential to be the new "Japan" that everyone in this region hates. It's inconceivable for one superpower (the US) to invade this region let alone our country and yet everyone knows that's a strong possibility that the other rising superpower will start flexing their muscles as they have already done. Once their aircraft carriers are done and they start projecting power across the sea you'll start seeing more of this. What happens when they go too far? Who will stop them? WWIII won't be started by the Middle Eastern countries or by Russia. It'll happen in this region.
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Indian military extends order of HAL Rudra reconnaisance/light attack helicopter

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After receiving the initial batch of 20 airframes in 2013, the Indian Army is keen to extend the order for the HAL Rudra reconnaissance/light attack helicopter by 76 airframes. The Indian army is reportedly very satisfied with the performance of the initial units.

The Rudra light attack helicopter is developed and constructed locally by HAL (Hindustani Aeronautics Limited) in Bangalore and is derived from the HAL Dhruv light transport helicopter. The Rudra is a weaponized version of the Dhruv and is fitted with an all-weather FLIR and thermal camera system for the ElBit ComPASS optoelectronic suite. The helicopter is unarmored but still retained the capability to carry 10 Special forces or other reconnaissance troops.

The Rudra is armed with a 20mm cannon in a remote turret, 2 pods of 70mm rockets and 4 SRAAM or ATGM missiles.
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There's nothing wrong with protecting your allies and making sure they toe the line (Japan). After all, in this region the aggressor isn't the US. All those bases have been purely for defense of their allies.
It's been a useless relationship. When Malacca was invaded, where was Ming? Nowhere. Their words and promises were useless. Malacca paid tribute in return for military protection and they didn't do shit. One of their other tributaries invaded Malacca and what did they do? Just send an envoy conveying their anger to that tributary and refused to do anything. When the Portuguese invaded and took Malacca, they didn't do squat to help take it back or give military support. They just took the easy way out and executed the Portuguese that were already in China. Fat lot of good that did for us. All that gold in tribute given in vain. When they were under commie rule or invaded by Japan, we were the ones to send support back to China, not them to us. We were one of the first in the world to recognize their country.

China has the potential to be the new "Japan" that everyone in this region hates. It's inconceivable for one superpower (the US) to invade this region let alone our country and yet everyone knows that's a strong possibility that the other rising superpower will start flexing their muscles as they have already done. Once their aircraft carriers are done and they start projecting power across the sea you'll start seeing more of this. What happens when they go too far? Who will stop them? WWIII won't be started by the Middle Eastern countries or by Russia. It'll happen in this region.
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Ming did vented their anger when Malacca was invaded and conquered by Portuguese. They jailed and executed all the Portuguese in China and wipe out a portuguese fleet sent to China. But Ming have grown decadent at that time. Plus the growing local rebellion and the threat of Manchu from the north. China was unable to send any help to Malacca.
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Ming did vented their anger when Malacca was invaded and conquered by Portuguese. They jailed and executed all the Portuguese in China and wipe out a portuguese fleet sent to China. But Ming have grown decadent at that time. Plus the growing local rebellion and the threat of Manchu from the north. China was unable to send any help to Malacca.
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At the end of the day, they did nothing for us. They only wiped out the Portuguese because they were bothering them at home. If anything that gold did more for them than us. I mean, who doesn't like free gold for services not rendered?
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 17 2014, 11:36 PM)
if the US wanted to base their aircraft here including jet fighters, at least sell us AESA-equipped F18Fs at harga kawan
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Y not bundle with f-18sh+e2d+p3 mayb addin some viper as well.
ofcourse harga humble bundle sekali. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(red streak @ Sep 18 2014, 09:57 AM)
At the end of the day, they did nothing for us. They only wiped out the Portuguese because they were bothering them at home. If anything that gold did more for them than us. I mean, who doesn't like free gold for services not rendered?
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To be fair, in most cases the payment of tributes in the form of gold or other treasures is just a token and symbolic gesture. The act of submission and the agreement by a smaller government to accept tributary status from a superpower is far more important. So it's probable we never did send shiploads of gold at the Ming dynasty at any time, probably just small symbolic gifts.

Also, according to Ming emperor policy, a kingdom had to accept tributary status and pay just to trade with China. So we have a weird situation where the Ming Dynasty even had the Byzantine empire and Islamic Umayyad empire in its list of tribute states. blink.gif

So yes, we probably overstated the worth of the Malacca-Ming dynasty relationship.

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Russian Nuclear bombers tracked to 50 miles off US coast

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US defense radars tracked two Russian nuclear bombers up to 50 miles off the US coast,near California in early September.

The Tu-95 bombers is believed to conduct maneuvering drills to get into position to a set 'missile box', a position off the coast of the US where according to Russian doctrine, air-launched nuclear missiles is to be launched onto targets in the US mainland.

The US DoD have noticed a significant spike in Russian bomber activity in northern Europe and US western seaboard after the Ukraine crisis and the annexation of Crimea by Russia. In mid-August NATO radars in Europe detected Russian bombers encroaching the airspace its member states up to 16 times in a single week.
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Y not bundle with f-18sh+e2d+p3 mayb addin some viper as well.
ofcourse harga humble bundle sekali. laugh.gif
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US defense radars tracked two Russian nuclear bombers up to 50 miles off the US coast,near California in early September.

The Tu-95 bombers is believed to conduct maneuvering drills to get into position to a set 'missile box', a position off the coast of the US where according to Russian doctrine, air-launched nuclear missiles is to be launched onto targets in the US mainland.

The US DoD have noticed a significant spike in Russian bomber activity in northern Europe and US western seaboard after the Ukraine crisis and the annexation of Crimea by Russia. In mid-August NATO radars in Europe detected Russian bombers encroaching the airspace its member states up to 16 times in a single week.
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Ruskies still using them?
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Very,very long range due to economic turboprop engine, they are very reliable and still useful for missions like marine reconnaissance and long-range flights. In the bomber role the Tu-95 would be probably near-obsolete,though. Anyway, Russia has more capable bombers with greater speed and payload than Tu-95 (Tu-160, Tu-22M) but for peace time reconnaissance missions, Tu-95 are the best plane they have for the job.

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Very,very long range due to economic turboprop engine, they are very reliable and still useful for missions like marine reconnaissance and long-range flights. In the bomber role the Tu-95 would be probably near-obsolete,though. Anyway, Russia has more capable bombers with greater speed and payload than Tu-95 (Tu-160, Tu-22M)  but for peace time reconnaissance missions, Tu-95 are the best plane they have for the job.
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for that, we might probably have to give up Kuantan for the US 7th Fleet..everyone knows US wanted Kuantan so badly..
Ruskies still using them?
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Latest versions of Tu-95 are relatively new, made in 1990's. Much younger than USAF's B-52.

Tu-95 is praised for its endurance and can make sneak attack from places that we don't expect by launching separate tiny sorties from different directions. Especially if it carries multiple Kh-55SM missile, range 3000km. Far enough to avoid fighter interception and RTB

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 17 2014, 11:36 PM)
if the US wanted to base their aircraft here including jet fighters, at least sell us AESA-equipped F18Fs at harga kawan
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lol... msia stand to benefit more than US to have the planes here... they can easily put them in pinoyland or sg or th...

QUOTE(red streak @ Sep 18 2014, 09:44 AM)
There's nothing wrong with protecting your allies and making sure they toe the line (Japan). After all, in this region the aggressor isn't the US. All those bases have been purely for defense of their allies.
It's been a useless relationship. When Malacca was invaded, where was Ming? Nowhere. Their words and promises were useless. Malacca paid tribute in return for military protection and they didn't do shit. One of their other tributaries invaded Malacca and what did they do? Just send an envoy conveying their anger to that tributary and refused to do anything. When the Portuguese invaded and took Malacca, they didn't do squat to help take it back or give military support. They just took the easy way out and executed the Portuguese that were already in China. Fat lot of good that did for us. All that gold in tribute given in vain. When they were under commie rule or invaded by Japan, we were the ones to send support back to China, not them to us. We were one of the first in the world to recognize their country.

China has the potential to be the new "Japan" that everyone in this region hates. It's inconceivable for one superpower (the US) to invade this region let alone our country and yet everyone knows that's a strong possibility that the other rising superpower will start flexing their muscles as they have already done. Once their aircraft carriers are done and they start projecting power across the sea you'll start seeing more of this. What happens when they go too far? Who will stop them? WWIII won't be started by the Middle Eastern countries or by Russia. It'll happen in this region.
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At the end of the day, they did nothing for us. They only wiped out the Portuguese because they were bothering them at home. If anything that gold did more for them than us. I mean, who doesn't like free gold for services not rendered?
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regional aggressor isnt the US? vietiong, kor and pinoy will dispute u..

lol, malacca paid to establish trade links and to prevent from being wipe out... military protection? u read that from ur sejarah text books?

we? lol, not just msians, the whole chinese diaspora sent help back... first to recognize? lol, what if msia dont... what would happen?

well, hate due to brainwash from americans... look at reality, who murdered more ppl in the past decade than the americans? not even the evil ISIS/IS/ISIL can beat them in body count...
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lol... msia stand to benefit more than US to have the planes here... they can easily put them in pinoyland or sg or th...
regional aggressor isnt the US? vietiong, kor and pinoy will dispute u..

lol, malacca paid to establish trade links and to prevent from being wipe out... military protection? u read that from ur sejarah text books?

we? lol, not just msians, the whole chinese diaspora sent help back... first to recognize? lol, what if msia dont... what would happen?

well, hate due to brainwash from americans... look at reality, who murdered more ppl in the past decade than the americans? not even the evil ISIS/IS/ISIL can beat them in body count...
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Right, and those Koreans and Vietnamese will say that China is the savior of the region. rolleyes.gif Pinoys hate the US so much that they're begging for them to reinstate their military bases in their country amirite? whistling.gif The US is what we call a necessary evil. Nobody likes them much but they're all we have to work with. Russia is a bear with no claws. They can barely even afford to keep their own army up to date let alone start another major war. What's the only real threat to the US hegemony? China, and they don't have any clout on the international stage with any of the industrialized nations outside of the BRIC...
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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 18 2014, 11:39 AM)
for that, we might probably have to give up Kuantan for the US 7th Fleet..everyone knows US wanted Kuantan so badly..
Ruskies still using them?
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correction,
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Right, and those Koreans and Vietnamese will say that China is the savior of the region.  rolleyes.gif Pinoys hate the US so much that they're begging for them to reinstate their military bases in their country amirite?  whistling.gif The US is what we call a necessary evil. Nobody likes them much but they're all we have to work with. Russia is a bear with no claws. They can barely even afford to keep their own army up to date let alone start another major war. What's the only real threat to the US hegemony? China, and they don't have any clout on the international stage with any of the industrialized nations outside of the BRIC...
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savior or not, they are not the initiators.. well, pinoys dont have a choice, they cant even deal with their own rebels.. necessary evil? or devil in disguise? or hidden cancer?

russia cant keep their army up to date? you must be high on weed... how many countries in the world can take russia on a full blown war? if eu is not united, russia can easily take half of eu easily if there's no intervention...

dont have any clout on the international stage? you must be a bat in some cave... probably been stuck there for the last 30 years
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KUALA LUMPUR: Boustead Heavy Industries Corp Bhd’s (BHIC) unit, Contraves Advanced Devices Sdn Bhd, received a €16.96 million (RM70.71 million) contract from Boustead Naval Shipyard Sdn Bhd to supply radar electronic support measure systems and related services for the Royal Malaysian Navy. The contract is to design, construct, equip, install, commission, integrate, test and deliver six units of second-generation patrol vessels with littoral combat capabilities. BHIC said its deal will have a positive impact on the earnings in financial year 2014 and thereafter.


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so thats why got US soldiers 'training' Tganu?  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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savior or not, they are not the initiators.. well, pinoys dont have a choice, they cant even deal with their own rebels.. necessary evil? or devil in disguise? or hidden cancer?
No, but they're been supporting the aggressors in every one of those conflicts along with the Soviets. The US is the only reliable counterweight to China because India is f***ed up and won't reach superpower status anytime soon. Malaysia's politicians have been playing both sides so far and staying "neutral". It's a smart move for a relatively powerless country. Committing to any one side at this point in the game isn't the best move.

QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Sep 18 2014, 04:46 PM)
russia cant keep their army up to date? you must be high on weed... how many countries in the world can take russia on a full blown war? if eu is not united, russia can easily take half of eu easily if there's no intervention...

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That's what NATO is for. The EU is outsourcing its defense to the US which is why the defense budgets and militaries of the European nations have been decreasing in size over the years since WWII and the Cold War. Why would you need to spend money on military when your biggest ally is more than ready to back you anytime and has the largest and most advanced military by far? It just doesn't make sense economically. Russia wouldn't be able to make a move on Europe without the US shoving its carrier battle groups down its arse. Putin isn't stupid. Russia's economy can't support a large military conflict. Russia has an economy the size of fricking Italy. It'd collapse from within just like the Soviet Union eventually collapsed if it tried anything. Heck, the minor sanctions that the EU and US have imposed on it have caused major damage to its economy already and it's nowhere near what could happen during a full blown war or escalation of hostilities.

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Prove me wrong then. Who are their allies and supporters outside of Best Korea? rolleyes.gif Even Russia is in bed with China because they have nowhere else to turn to. They had sell gas to China at massive markdowns in comparison to EU rates because they fear that their gas exports will eventually be sanctioned too. The UN Veto rights? Everyone knows that's a farce. Nothing good ever comes out from that bloated piece of shit organization. Everything either gets vetoed or ignored by the world powers (including Israel) and nobody really gives a f*** what the UN decides to do because it's just a charade.

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No, but they're been supporting the aggressors in every one of those conflicts along with the Soviets. The US is the only reliable counterweight to China because India is f***ed up and won't reach superpower status anytime soon. Malaysia's politicians have been playing both sides so far and staying "neutral". It's a smart move for a relatively powerless country. Committing to any one side at this point in the game isn't the best move.

That's what NATO is for. The EU is outsourcing its defense to the US which is why the defense budgets and militaries of the European nations have been decreasing in size over the years since WWII and the Cold War. Why would you need to spend money on military when your biggest ally is more than ready to back you anytime and has the largest and most advanced military by far? It just doesn't make sense economically. Russia wouldn't be able to make a move on Europe without the US shoving its carrier battle groups down its arse. Putin isn't stupid. Russia's economy can't support a large military conflict. Russia has an economy the size of fricking Italy. It'd collapse from within just like the Soviet Union eventually collapsed if it tried anything. Heck, the minor sanctions that the EU and US have imposed on it have caused major damage to its economy already and it's nowhere near what could happen during a full blown war or escalation of hostilities.

Prove me wrong then. Who are their allies and supporters outside of Best Korea?  rolleyes.gif Even Russia is in bed with China because they have nowhere else to turn to. They had sell gas to China at massive markdowns in comparison to EU rates because they fear that their gas exports will eventually be sanctioned too. The UN Veto rights? Everyone knows that's a farce. Nothing good ever comes out from that bloated piece of shit organization. Everything either gets vetoed or ignored by the world powers (including Israel) and nobody really gives a f*** what the UN decides to do because it's just a charade.
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supporting aggressors? there's always 2 sides to a conflict, both are equally guilty.. and china's involvement is limited to nearing its borders or places where they have stake, US on the other hand... yes, staying neutral and avoiding conflict if can if not negotiate.. not go jilat d other side

well, if you put it that way, everyone can claim they are with US and they dont need any military.. it is always easy to hope for the best, but in the end of the day... you can only depend on yourself when desperate situation comes

all SCO countries, majority of african countries... countries in latin america, now even eu countries are friends with china.. massive markdown? cause china is paying for the pipeline and it is a long term contract.. if china dont buy it, it would be left in the ground with no demand..
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Anybody thought of leasing base to us?? That way china wont see us as enemy and we get some xtra fund for procurement oso
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leasing? China would still see a US military base there, leasing or not
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so thats why got US soldiers 'training' Tganu?  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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Suddenly so active this threaf when US want to park their p8 here.
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haha at one point in the early 90s they even offered 1mil per day leasing at Ganu
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Not bad.. free 1 million every day.

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simple loh, we buy P8 mpa, than share some info with US ...

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to think that they actually park the orion  long ago
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Well, we have long accepted when us military planes if they want to land at our airport. No big deals subang and sungai besi can see most of the time

I think p8 have also landed here enroute to australia or from japan. Same also, just now the news is out, US maybe just want a maintenance and housing facility for their plane and not a full base.

Ni semua macam cakap a full us air base. MALAYSIA also want to play it right so allowing a full base might pull china nerves, if just a hanger then can say just a refuelling facilities

Btw i was thinking they target labuan because of existing facilities thre

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supporting aggressors? there's always 2 sides to a conflict, both are equally guilty.. and china's involvement is limited to nearing its borders or places where they have stake, US on the other hand... yes, staying neutral and avoiding conflict if can if not negotiate.. not go jilat d other side

well, if you put it that way, everyone can claim they are with US and they dont need any military.. it is always easy to hope for the best, but in the end of the day... you can only depend on yourself when desperate situation comes

all SCO countries, majority of african countries... countries in latin america, now even eu countries are friends with china.. massive markdown? cause china is paying for the pipeline and it is a long term contract.. if china dont buy it, it would be left in the ground with no demand..
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So basically an organization where the intentions of the members are dubious at best (SCO) and with no formal military or defense treaties, a bunch of the traditionally anti-USA countries and the AU that's only interested in China from an economic perspective (they want chinese money to flow into their 3rd world nations so they can songlap develop their countries) and no formal alliances or military ties. Got it. Having friendly relations isn't the same thing as having diplomatic clout or any significant influence on the world stage because when shit hits the fan, who's gonna come back them up? I'd betting those so called "friends" you seem to think they have will disappear. You should go look up what NATO is before you come up with this weak ass comparison again. I'm not talking about some flimsy trade organizations where everyone and their dog can get in, I'm talking about some firm and concrete black and white, I will die for you, bro before hoes - military ties like NATO or the Warsaw Pact or CSTO. I mean, if you're gonna come up with something like "the SCO is a real military alliance", then I'll know you're trolling because something like "Treaty on Deepening Military Trust in Border Regions" and "Treaty on Reduction of Military Forces in Border Regions" is something that real allies would even need. It looks more like these countries don't even trust each other. rolleyes.gif
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REDSTONE ARSENAL, Ala., 18 Sept. 2014. U.S. Army anti-armor missile experts are ordering more than a thousand U.S.-made Hellfire II tactical missiles for the governments of Iraq, Jordan, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

Officials of the Army Contracting Command at Redstone Arsenal, Ala., announced a $68.7 million contract this week to Hellfire Systems LLC in Orlando, Fla., to produce 1,361 Hellfire II missile models AGM-114R, AGM-114R-3, AGM-114P-4A, TGM M36E7, and ATM-114Q-6.

These missiles will be involved in U.S. foreign military sales to Iraq, Jordan, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia and Qatar. The AGM-114R is the latest version of the Hellfire II missile. The others involved in this sale are earlier, less-capable models.

Hellfire System is a venture of the Lockheed Martin Corp. Missiles and Fire Control segment in Orlando, Fla. At one time it involved the Boeing Defense, Space & Security segment in St. Louis, but Boeing has not been involved in Hellfire missile development and production for several years, Lockheed Martin officials say.

The AGM-114R is the latest Hellfire variant, and is equipped with semi–active laser seekers to defeat many kinds of targets. The AGM-114R can be launched from several different kinds of fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters, surface ships, and military ground vehicles.

Hellfires also are the missile of choice for several kinds of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) such as the MQ-1B Predator, MQ-9 Reaper, and MQ-1C Grey Eagle. Eventually these missiles may arm U.S. military unmanned helicopters.

The AGM-114R Hellfire II Romeo RX missile will use a semi-active laser guidance system and an integrated blast fragmentation sleeve warhead to engage targets that previously needed several Hellfire variants to destroy.

These missiles can seek out their targets autonomously or with designation from remote laser designators. The missile has a three–axis inertial measurement unit to enable it to attack targets from the side and behind.

The AGM-114R can be launched from higher altitudes than previous variants because of its enhanced guidance and navigation capabilities. With its multi–purpose warhead, the missile can destroy hard, soft, and enclosed targets.

Originally developed as an anti-tank missile for the Army's AH-64 Apache attack helicopter, the Hellfire missile has become one of the most versatile munitions in the U.S. arsenal. It can launch from fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters, UAVs, surface vessels, and land-based sites.

The AGM-114R will be guided by homing in on the reflected light of a laser designator. Other versions of the Hellfire are radar-guided fire-and-forget weapons. The Hellfire missile weighs 106 pounds, and has high-explosive variants designed to destroy tanks and other armored vehicles, and blast fragmentation versions designed to destroy trucks, antenna sites, concentrations of enemy troops, and other soft targets.

Development of the AGM-114R Hellfire missile became necessary after the Pentagon cancelled the Joint Common Missile (JCM) project, which was to replace Hellfire, as well as the AGM-65 Maverick air-to-ground missile.

On this contract Hellfire Systems LLC will do the work at the Lockheed Martin Corp. Missiles and Fire Control segment in Orlando, Fla., and should be finished by November 2016.


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Suddenly so active this threaf when US want to park their p8 here.
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You're welcome biggrin.gif

About time also. lately I see people only post 2-3 posts a day....I need my latest military news to satisfy my fanboism.

Anyway,did anyone mention that Eksesais Keris Strike 2014 is already going on now? I just learn from MalaysianDefence that it started last week (12.9.2014).

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U.S. Military to sell Hellfire missiles to Iraq, Jordan, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia & Qatar.

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 18 2014, 08:38 PM)
You're welcome  biggrin.gif

About time also. lately I see people only post 2-3 posts a day....I need my latest military news to satisfy my fanboism.

Anyway,did anyone mention that Eksesais Keris Strike 2014 is already going on now? I just learn from MalaysianDefence that it started last week (12.9.2014).

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yup a few page ago. i think LTZ mention it

not really interesting as this year theme is more of disaster management

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