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post Sep 11 2014, 02:41 PM

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guys... do u guys think that the much hyped up brahmos is really that cutting edge?

if i am correct us, russia, prc have similar missiles... same speed, some even better range and warhead capa... eu dont think so

and brahmos is not cheap..
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post Sep 12 2014, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 11 2014, 07:25 PM)
Since when america and prc have o.o and eu developing perseus fxcking badass red color missile
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yj-12? cm400akg? lrasm?

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 11 2014, 08:48 PM)
Give examples pls.

Also since when do guided missiles,whoever makes them,are cheap? Moreover western-built missiles may be more expensive than BrahMos (as most western built weapons are).
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as in cheaper... no weapons are cheap..

QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 11 2014, 09:05 PM)
brahmos is co-develop with russia and russian is buying some of it

it not really cutting edge, it just how it strike its target and the speed it travels with its versatility (air, navy and land variant)

If you are talking about P-700 which the brahmos is based upon, then it true russia and prc have some, brahmos is is just the further development of p-700 and so far only india and russia have with potential sales else where.

US? i dont think they have such missile in their list. US anti-ship missile is so outdated with their harpoon  sweat.gif
They stil believe that their fighter jets will do the anti-ship role while Aegis ship will provide the required protection
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how it strike d target? care 2 elaborate?

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post Sep 12 2014, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 12 2014, 01:26 AM)
read on p-700 or p-800

yj-12 is not a supersonic, just terminal stage

lrasm in development

so far i know of true supersonic anti-ship is p700, p800 and brahmos
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are you referring to yj-12's predecessor or the version launched by plane? yj 12 is a family, the ones launched by ship i believe is mach 1-2 cruising and 3 at terminal... the newer cm400akg reaches mach 5 at terminal but not mass produced yet
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post Sep 12 2014, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 12 2014, 10:39 AM)
the funny thing is, in the article it say radar jamming.

in that close range. Who need radar? It pure dogfight ad with visual sight. All depends on the pilot skills and fighter manoeuvring
brahmos is twice as fast with better target acquisition and defence system avoidance. It speculated that brahmos anti-ship variant which based on p700 also have the same swarm attack capability integrated in it.  Meaning it also for saturation attack and not a single missile only will be launch during actual operation

what set it apart again is its speed. While maybe modern ciws  or modern point defence system can counter mach 1-2 missiles. It still take few critical second from identification to interception. So if you have a faster missiles like mach 4-5, the defence system have to work twice as fast to counter the threat.  In hope that during saturation attack, the defence system only may counter maybe one or two while missing the rest.

Of course, in video publish you only see one missiles launch, because no point doing saturation attack on stationary harmless training target. Missiles mahal and not cheap to fire  tongue.gif  But like the falkland war, normally more than one antiship missiles will be launched for a single target to increase the probability of it actually hitting

i doubt malaysia navy want to stock up china missiles. india Brahmos or russian or europe equivalent would be the preference. It was considered for our kedah class but with typical what the armed forces want, armed forces wont get  sad.gif
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i see...

QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 12 2014, 10:48 AM)
CM400 AKG already export to pakistan,  also more advance version (advance seeker) in develop , maybe can see in this Oct Zhuhai airshow。
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yea, but limited quantities... not mass produced yet
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post Sep 13 2014, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 12 2014, 11:10 PM)
lousy ship?
better study first,
This type of ship is exactly we also need asap,i event hope gov can consider buy 24 unit for use in patrol ESCCOM, south china sea and Malacca strait. 
it just new trend design navy ship not for for war fighting, it specially design OPV for anti-Piracy, anti-narcotic, anti-Smuggling , anti-terrorism at sea, it happens now in south china sea and Malacca strait and also suitable use in Esccom.
80 meter ship,With advance radar, 2 RIB for fast boarding/insertion, event UAV heli or Unman boat,76mm navy, gun 25mm Typhoon navy gun, 2x 20mm navy gun, 2 x 12.7 mm navy gun, n 1150 tons  with 30 navy personal and 30 Mission personal. design look like mini Gowind L'Adriod.

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24 units? shocking.gif msia gomen kena toto?
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post Sep 13 2014, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 13 2014, 12:50 AM)
just patrol gun boat, not that expensive. expected USD 100 million + each. (just built in s'pore) not local built.
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macam pergi pasar beli sayor..
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post Sep 13 2014, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 13 2014, 10:19 AM)
Impossible la.. U think najib wan buy made in singapore products??
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najib very fren wif lee jr. also singkie defence companies know how 2 give angpow... 2 big point
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post Sep 15 2014, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 15 2014, 09:31 AM)
why so against china?
event we got that sub, we also nothing to flight with china. china missile just easily destroy our city.
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coz they hv been influenced and brainwashed by western propaganda.. jealousy towards local chinese have some impact too...


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post Sep 15 2014, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 15 2014, 01:09 PM)
no problem to buy how many unit sub, use in our water ok lah, but go to china shore just serious provocation, we not us/japan level country. u think we got power to provocation china ? any benefit to this ? china scare to our sub ? haha ....
now both country work together for economic grow ...
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ppl rather jilat the jubur of those that slaughtered thousands of msians during ww2 than to support friends than benefit the country since 500 years ago... rather support allies of evil regime that support zionist whom has been slaughtering their fellow brothers in the middle east for years... memang dont understand how these topkek ppl are thinking... tu la, sifat dengki, otak kena cuci...




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post Sep 15 2014, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 15 2014, 02:17 PM)
PLA launches newest Type 056 Jiangdao corvette

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Type 056 number 594 under fitting after a successfull launch & sea trials

The PLA recently launched its latest ship in the Type 056 corvette line (Number 503). The ship line,classified as a missile corvette, is 89 meters long and weighs 1,300 tons in displacement. The Type 056 is designed for modularity, with 4 modular design modules able to be fitted onto the basic hull (Anti-Ship, Anti-Submarine, Anti-Aircraft and command flagship versions).

The basic Type 056 is armed with 1x 76mm gun, 2x 30mm CIWS, 1x 8-cell SAM launcher, 2x C082 Anti-ship missiles and 2 torpedo launchers. There is a helipad for a light helicopter, but no hangar bay. The Type 056 has some features to help reduce its detection signature such as an absence of sharp angles on the superstructure that could reflect radar and also an IR masking system on the chimney and engine systems.

While on paper,the Type 056 is somewhat of a good,if unremarkable vessel,what is most notable feature of the Type 056 is the sheer pace of its construction.The PLA ordered 30 units of the vessel for its navy only in 2010 and remarkably the first Type 056 (Bengbu, number 582) was already launched in 2012. In the space of 2 years (2012-2014) the construction companies have launched 22(TWENTY TWO) Type 056 ships!! That's a rate of one vessel per month!!

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mass production... china's forte... small vessels is not a prob for china...
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post Sep 18 2014, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 17 2014, 11:36 PM)
if the US wanted to base their aircraft here including jet fighters, at least sell us AESA-equipped F18Fs at harga kawan
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lol... msia stand to benefit more than US to have the planes here... they can easily put them in pinoyland or sg or th...

QUOTE(red streak @ Sep 18 2014, 09:44 AM)
There's nothing wrong with protecting your allies and making sure they toe the line (Japan). After all, in this region the aggressor isn't the US. All those bases have been purely for defense of their allies.
It's been a useless relationship. When Malacca was invaded, where was Ming? Nowhere. Their words and promises were useless. Malacca paid tribute in return for military protection and they didn't do shit. One of their other tributaries invaded Malacca and what did they do? Just send an envoy conveying their anger to that tributary and refused to do anything. When the Portuguese invaded and took Malacca, they didn't do squat to help take it back or give military support. They just took the easy way out and executed the Portuguese that were already in China. Fat lot of good that did for us. All that gold in tribute given in vain. When they were under commie rule or invaded by Japan, we were the ones to send support back to China, not them to us. We were one of the first in the world to recognize their country.

China has the potential to be the new "Japan" that everyone in this region hates. It's inconceivable for one superpower (the US) to invade this region let alone our country and yet everyone knows that's a strong possibility that the other rising superpower will start flexing their muscles as they have already done. Once their aircraft carriers are done and they start projecting power across the sea you'll start seeing more of this. What happens when they go too far? Who will stop them? WWIII won't be started by the Middle Eastern countries or by Russia. It'll happen in this region.
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QUOTE(red streak @ Sep 18 2014, 09:57 AM)
At the end of the day, they did nothing for us. They only wiped out the Portuguese because they were bothering them at home. If anything that gold did more for them than us. I mean, who doesn't like free gold for services not rendered?
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regional aggressor isnt the US? vietiong, kor and pinoy will dispute u..

lol, malacca paid to establish trade links and to prevent from being wipe out... military protection? u read that from ur sejarah text books?

we? lol, not just msians, the whole chinese diaspora sent help back... first to recognize? lol, what if msia dont... what would happen?

well, hate due to brainwash from americans... look at reality, who murdered more ppl in the past decade than the americans? not even the evil ISIS/IS/ISIL can beat them in body count...
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post Sep 18 2014, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(red streak @ Sep 18 2014, 04:00 PM)
Right, and those Koreans and Vietnamese will say that China is the savior of the region.  rolleyes.gif Pinoys hate the US so much that they're begging for them to reinstate their military bases in their country amirite?  whistling.gif The US is what we call a necessary evil. Nobody likes them much but they're all we have to work with. Russia is a bear with no claws. They can barely even afford to keep their own army up to date let alone start another major war. What's the only real threat to the US hegemony? China, and they don't have any clout on the international stage with any of the industrialized nations outside of the BRIC...
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savior or not, they are not the initiators.. well, pinoys dont have a choice, they cant even deal with their own rebels.. necessary evil? or devil in disguise? or hidden cancer?

russia cant keep their army up to date? you must be high on weed... how many countries in the world can take russia on a full blown war? if eu is not united, russia can easily take half of eu easily if there's no intervention...

dont have any clout on the international stage? you must be a bat in some cave... probably been stuck there for the last 30 years
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post Sep 18 2014, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 18 2014, 04:51 PM)
award own company? lol...
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post Sep 18 2014, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(red streak @ Sep 18 2014, 05:21 PM)
No, but they're been supporting the aggressors in every one of those conflicts along with the Soviets. The US is the only reliable counterweight to China because India is f***ed up and won't reach superpower status anytime soon. Malaysia's politicians have been playing both sides so far and staying "neutral". It's a smart move for a relatively powerless country. Committing to any one side at this point in the game isn't the best move.

That's what NATO is for. The EU is outsourcing its defense to the US which is why the defense budgets and militaries of the European nations have been decreasing in size over the years since WWII and the Cold War. Why would you need to spend money on military when your biggest ally is more than ready to back you anytime and has the largest and most advanced military by far? It just doesn't make sense economically. Russia wouldn't be able to make a move on Europe without the US shoving its carrier battle groups down its arse. Putin isn't stupid. Russia's economy can't support a large military conflict. Russia has an economy the size of fricking Italy. It'd collapse from within just like the Soviet Union eventually collapsed if it tried anything. Heck, the minor sanctions that the EU and US have imposed on it have caused major damage to its economy already and it's nowhere near what could happen during a full blown war or escalation of hostilities.

Prove me wrong then. Who are their allies and supporters outside of Best Korea?  rolleyes.gif Even Russia is in bed with China because they have nowhere else to turn to. They had sell gas to China at massive markdowns in comparison to EU rates because they fear that their gas exports will eventually be sanctioned too. The UN Veto rights? Everyone knows that's a farce. Nothing good ever comes out from that bloated piece of shit organization. Everything either gets vetoed or ignored by the world powers (including Israel) and nobody really gives a f*** what the UN decides to do because it's just a charade.
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supporting aggressors? there's always 2 sides to a conflict, both are equally guilty.. and china's involvement is limited to nearing its borders or places where they have stake, US on the other hand... yes, staying neutral and avoiding conflict if can if not negotiate.. not go jilat d other side

well, if you put it that way, everyone can claim they are with US and they dont need any military.. it is always easy to hope for the best, but in the end of the day... you can only depend on yourself when desperate situation comes

all SCO countries, majority of african countries... countries in latin america, now even eu countries are friends with china.. massive markdown? cause china is paying for the pipeline and it is a long term contract.. if china dont buy it, it would be left in the ground with no demand..
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post Sep 18 2014, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(red streak @ Sep 18 2014, 06:05 PM)
So basically an organization where the intentions of the members are dubious at best (SCO) and with no formal military or defense treaties, a bunch of the traditionally anti-USA countries and the AU that's only interested in China from an economic perspective (they want chinese money to flow into their 3rd world nations so they can songlap develop their countries) and no formal alliances or military ties. Got it. Having friendly relations isn't the same thing as having diplomatic clout or any significant influence on the world stage because when shit hits the fan, who's gonna come back them up? I'd betting those so called "friends" you seem to think they have will disappear. You should go look up what NATO is before you come up with this weak ass comparison again. I'm not talking about some flimsy trade organizations where everyone and their dog can get in, I'm talking about some firm and concrete black and white, I will die for you, bro before hoes - military ties like NATO or the Warsaw Pact or CSTO.  I mean, if you're gonna come up with something like "the SCO is a real military alliance", then I'll know you're trolling because something like "Treaty on Deepening Military Trust in Border Regions" and "Treaty on Reduction of Military Forces in Border Regions" is something that real allies would even need. It looks more like these countries don't even trust each other. rolleyes.gif
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well, they are not obligated to disclose unlike d rest... not all are anti-US, just afraid of US's aggression.. did i say weak? dun put words in my mouth.. well, you can carry nato's balls all you want while they raid n plunder weaker countries.. msia dont need that... msia need 2 stay neutral... you can say wat u want, free speech here, until proven it is as good as fart..

QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 18 2014, 07:09 PM)
All the country china kawan with their name sounds evil for some reason haha but we also have to rmb they are all quite small in term of gdp compared to US allies the developed countries
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well, that's western brainwash for u.. while they murder, plunder and cause chaos in so many countries yet the ones doing ntg are labelled evil.. the ones that murdered more than gadapi, saddam, boko haram, isil/is/isif all put together will pail in comparison..
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post Sep 19 2014, 07:52 AM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Sep 18 2014, 09:16 PM)
Scotland is not that rich to begin with, more so after banks will possibly leave and cripple their economy

London may leave their scot regiment, and form somekind of defence pact later
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i heard scotland will have the north sea oil fields?

i think UK would give 30years of protection... neway, at that side not much threat

QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 19 2014, 04:51 AM)
park their planes and making our base as theirs are 2 different things altogether...

I'm not against the US having a fully strength military base here, just as long as we are getting something back in return, in terms of military hardware
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US bagi FTA
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post Sep 19 2014, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Sep 19 2014, 08:08 AM)
Their FTA is very one sided.
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post Sep 20 2014, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Sep 20 2014, 11:27 AM)
Why is it always Malaysia invades Singapore or Indonesia invades Singapore??

What's good in that? Singapore is nothing but a resource-less island. It depends on trade and service.....once invaded, they are all gone. Singapore becomes useless and an excess burden.....

It's more useful for Singapore to invade Bintan....it has more than 100 million tons of bauxite reserves. It can also provide more living space and better control on trade route on the strait.
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sometimes it is not economical reasoning... israel for instance

QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 20 2014, 01:19 PM)
Nah not going to happen.
malaysia and singapore rely on each other in term of economy, trade, and defense.
only retard wanted to damage such relationship.
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very much agree... well said

QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Sep 20 2014, 01:21 PM)
Because their military strength is a threat. When you are the biggest baddest boy in the neighbourhood, the temptation to bully those weaker around you is very high.
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threat to? jemaah islamiah? abu sayyap? al maunah? isma?
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post Sep 20 2014, 01:44 PM

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Russian fighters intercepted by US near Alaska

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Two Russian fighters entered a US "air defence identification zone" two days ago and were intercepted by American F-22 jets near Alaska, military officers said on Friday (Sep 19).

WASHINGTON: Two Russian fighters entered a US "air defence identification zone" two days ago and were intercepted by American F-22 jets near Alaska, military officers said on Friday (Sep 19).

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The incursion on Wednesday was followed by a second incident on Thursday involving two Russian long-range bombers, which flew into Canada's air defence identification zone (ADIZ) and were intercepted by two Canadian F-18 jets, officers said. In both cases the Russian aircraft flew out of the area without incident. The Russian warplanes "never entered US sovereign air space" or Canadian air space, said Major Jamie Humphries, a spokesman for the North American Aerospace Defense Command.

In Wednesday's encounter near Alaska, the Russian fighters were accompanied by two refueling tankers and two long-range bombers, he said. Although Russian aircraft have entered the zone previously it was "the first time in a long time" that fighter jets passed through the area, said a US defence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

To safeguard a country's air space, air defence identification zones extend beyond territorial air space and are designed as a buffer to give a government more time to respond to potentially hostile aircraft. But the zones do not fall under international treaties and are not regulated under international law.

The Russian aircraft flights coincided with a visit by Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko to Washington, where he made an impassioned address on Thursday before a joint session of the US Congress, denouncing Russia's military intervention in his country.

But Pentagon spokesman Rear Admiral John Kirby said there was no indication of a link between Poroshenko's visit to Washington and the air incidents. "We've faced these kinds of incidents before. We take them very, very seriously. And we routinely intercept them," Kirby told CNN. "We'll make our intentions known to Russia as we always do and we'll certainly discuss our concerns with them at the appropriate time and in the appropriate venue."

It was unclear if the Russian aircraft were in the area due to exercises announced by Moscow in far-eastern regions, including the off-shore naval training grounds of the Kamchatka region. The Vostok-2014 exercise started on Friday and was scheduled to last through Sep 25 and included 100,000 troops and 120 aircraft, according to the Russian defence ministry.

In Wednesday's encounter near Alaska, the Russian aircraft veered into the air defence zone at about 7pm local time (10am, Singapore time). In Thursday's episode near Canada, the Russian bombers flew into the area at about 1.30am local time (4.30pm, Singapore time).

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post Sep 20 2014, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Sep 20 2014, 01:47 PM)
Yeah.....but what? Temasek wasn't a holy land......
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racial reasons.. a tiny dot filled with sino majority.. surrounded by proto malay majority countries that arent doing too well... sg is the sanctuary for the chinese diaspora at these countries... due to jealousy and envy of their wealth this group of ppl are usually prosecuted and blamed when things turn sour.. with a strong military, the wealthy ones will seek protection as refugees

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