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kimyee73
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Sep 4 2014, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 3 2014, 07:56 PM) I believe the ATM got their own planning in this marine matter it is safe to speculate that when the marine is established then the asset will be made known plus the ATM are now focusing on the establishment of another division and the original marine plan is more to the Royal Marine small focus group rather then a larger infantry group like the US We already have similar to Royal Marine Commando in the form of 21 & 22 KDO.
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kimyee73
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Sep 9 2014, 02:20 PM
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 6 2014, 12:41 PM) anyone got good photos of handalan/jerung/sri tiga class fast attack craft?? rmn wiki page only left these no photos cos i cannot find good one PM me if you need some photos of jerung, handalan and FTV. I still have archived photos used for my previous website kbmyaf.
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kimyee73
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Sep 10 2014, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 9 2014, 10:52 PM) Seems that I miss a lots of things Quite busy with my mum cataract operation tomorrow guys please pray for my mum well being  Loh, no wonder your nick seems so familiar! It is the same nic in Cari MPSA but kaybee in Gempurwira and Mymil
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kimyee73
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Sep 10 2014, 11:02 AM
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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Sep 9 2014, 11:20 AM) Will we ever see a RMN ship name after a non-malay figures? Such as KD Tun Sambanthan or KD Yap Ah Loy or KD Tun Tan Cheng Lock. Or KD Laksamana Muda K. Thanabalasingam, 1st local to be navy chief.
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kimyee73
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Sep 10 2014, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE(James831 @ Sep 10 2014, 12:15 AM) it look like japan almost complete their 1st weapons export deal. Australia Nears Deal to Buy Up to 10 Japanese SubmarinesQUOTE A purchase of Japanese submarines would breach a promise by the government before last year's elections to build a new fleet at home to help support the nation's struggling ship builders. On Monday, Australia's prime minister, Tony Abbott, said his government wanted to support the manufacturing industry, but not at the expense of national security.
"The most important thing is to get the best and most capable submarines at a reasonable price to the Australian taxpayer," he told reporters. "We should make decisions based on defense requirements, not on the basis of industry policy." This should be our policy as well for large purchases, else we will never able to equip our armed forces with most cost effective equipment in the quantity and timeline required.
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kimyee73
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Sep 22 2014, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 19 2014, 07:29 PM) Dat depend on tot term. On ngpv we get cms, meko100 blue print and know how on building warship. on sgpv setis cms, smart-s, gowind blue print. kalau nak lebih bayar or beli banyak. tapi sometimes we want differ type of tot not related to defense but more to commercial. masa bidding boustead ada submit inhouse design based on meko tapi yg kena pilih tu gowind class. know-how stays with people, if they are gone, it will be gone as well. It is important to have continuous stream of projects to retain key personnel, hence the know-how.
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kimyee73
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Sep 25 2014, 12:06 PM
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 24 2014, 03:40 PM) I'm happy if one day Malaysian Armed Forces have dedicated maritime patrol plane. 2nd hand P-3 Orion also nevermind. As an small archipelago nation with the sea all around I really think Navy and maritime forces (including APMM) should be given top priority in defence budgeting. APMM budget used to come from PM dept. No more?
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kimyee73
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Sep 25 2014, 12:08 PM
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Sep 24 2014, 06:42 PM) How they test fire anti-radiation missile? Put emitter on container barge? tq
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kimyee73
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Sep 29 2014, 10:20 AM
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QUOTE(meedoot @ Sep 27 2014, 03:57 PM) i think azriel want to reply ur comment earlier sir (bold) masalah nak buat mass production ke tak or laku ke tak jual kat obersea is different matter, the point is indo has the capability, support from gomen je masih kurang, about tech of course indo can send those engineer to other country for training or something like that.. like malaysia.. im really sure got capability to make AV8 in the future, or create other army toys, but msia gomen only buy just for malaysian army, tentu ade limit, next.. it depend on foreign sale.. kalau laku of course production continue, kalau takde foreign sale, mana nak dapat duit for the next development? it is like can or not malaysia sell those AV8 to other country ? of course can.. next.. quality and capability camne ? good of course.. next boleh laku ke tak klo nak jual kat obersea ? boleh laku and boleh tidak.. the point is.. malaysia in the future has capability to make AV8 or similar, when sh*t happen, u can put all ur resources and make ur thousands AV8 by ur own without relying on other countries..  This has always been the problem with Malaysia. We don't have enough dough but we want to berlagak like a big and rich country. We spent a lots of our budget to learn and make our own armored vehicles and warships. because we spent so much to acquire those capability, we can only buy in small quantity compare to what we really need immediately. In the end, the cost per unit is so high that we could have bought them off the shelf in quantity that we need, in timeline that we need for the same amount we spent doing it ourselves. Capability is not forever unless you continue to retain those by continue building them. Once stop, you may lost that capability as the peoples (human capital) who has those knowledge will leaves as well. Mau cari makan mah. You can create Best Known Method or procedures to preserve those capability but it is not a replacement on warm body with brain. I work in MNC and have seen capabilities gone with the people as we shut down certain dept and need to spend a lot of effort to re-acquire those same capability many years later when we need it again due to biz direction change. Also on AV8, are we sure we can build everything locally? The last I heard we still order all the chassis from Turkey. We ordered weapon system and electronics from South Africa, Europe etc. We don't manufacture them 100% by ourselves, even the raw material to make steel need to import.
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kimyee73
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Sep 29 2014, 10:30 AM
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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 28 2014, 01:49 PM) Now thre hardly tank to tank battle. The last maybe was at iraq between us abram and iraq old soviet tanks. Now it mainly as troop support. I could see why the army would not want to spend so much on a tank that are our pioneering armoured division. I was aslo told, this few batch will be our training platform for future more advance tank. No point getting the most advance tank but do not know to use its full potential, right? If we just want it for training purpose, no point getting a brand new tank which were heavily upgraded at great cost. We could follow Singapore that bought secondhand submarine to learn tools of the trade. BTW, the same applied to our submarine as well. Maybe we spent so much for brand new and modernized tanks and submarines just to create our doctrine because we know we will not buy anymore for next few decades
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kimyee73
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Oct 7 2014, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Oct 3 2014, 10:22 PM) This is also a mystery to me. Are Malaysian shipyards not capable enough to build heavy patrol ships specifically for APMM? Its not like they're that much use sensitive equipment or high-tech gears. A large, dependable ship with basic radar & electronic systems are enough. Small arms like light machineguns are enough for coast guard duty, long patrol endurance & seaworthiness are more valued in coast guard ships. So sad to see APMM keep getting old decommissioned RMN ships & Marine police boats and be expected to fully protect the entire Malaysian coastal area with that kind of equipment. Hong Leong Lurssen previously built Jerong-class patrol boat long time ago. I'm sure there are many others that have such capabilities.
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kimyee73
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Oct 8 2014, 07:14 AM
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 7 2014, 06:06 PM) Labuan shipyard was supposed to build the ngpv at first so i think also can, and of cos boustead naval and ngv tech(maybe) If I remember correctly Labuan is not for NGPV/SGPV but for Lekiu batch 2 that was cancelled.
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kimyee73
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Oct 8 2014, 09:43 AM
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QUOTE(junchuan @ Oct 7 2014, 06:17 PM) Actually i think the reason we cancelled is becos the australian pm called mahathir a very uncommon word that means like childish/spoilt, i forgot what exactly happen but i think mahathir was angry and forced the guy to apologise, try find on google recalcitrant is the word.
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kimyee73
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Oct 15 2014, 11:21 AM
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Oct 15 2014, 12:59 AM) Is very annoying can buy $500 mil on Each Gowind, but can't afford $500mil for 2 LPD. feel is our Gov policy model make RMN poor. some reason i thinking, 1) Bcos our country prefer "more famous brand asset", sure price is high. 2) Bcos Gov policy always like local make means TOT/IP so price easy cost extra 25~50% and extra time to complete construction 3) Some military fans say RMN more prefer Military-Spec ship. no safe to operate civilian-spec ship 4) a good brand military-spec LPD will cost around at lease $200~300+ mil for 8k~10k tons LPD 5) Gowind and 8x8 used up a lot budget. 6) some fans say we can't buy value Military asset from Singapore/Indonesia/China due to politic reason, or there product is questionable on reliability. as i said, procurement will pay over few year so not make cost too high. I agree with your opinion  Usually decision is not value for money and not meeting timeline, just trying to fulfill ToT requirement but industry sustainability is questionable. If government take action to stop leakage, there would be extra buying power for ATM long time ago. Just look at audit report every year and yet no action taken to plug it
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