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post Sep 3 2014, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Sep 3 2014, 12:37 AM)
Wait & see....... but must wait little bit.
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any live missile firing? whistling.gif whistling.gif
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post Sep 3 2014, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Sep 3 2014, 12:42 AM)
PRC kata jangan
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exercise only.. like how they come to james shoel whistling.gif whistling.gif

simpan pun tak guna.. baik guna test whistling.gif
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post Sep 3 2014, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Sep 3 2014, 12:47 AM)
Wait & see.......hihihi
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tis will be interesting rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif

must post video

BTW how many ship involved?
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post Sep 3 2014, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Sep 3 2014, 12:51 AM)
Need to wait the press release I think...... must wait for official one
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alah heboh lah sikit whistling.gif whistling.gif

anyway, mana nak check? malas nak google laugh.gif
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post Sep 3 2014, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 3 2014, 04:03 PM)
in one of the original plan is
LDP, LCAC, AAV and super cobra iinm  hmm.gif

but that is back then when ATM first rumored to establish about marine
last year or earlier this year

wa nak VIPER!
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kalau nak semua tu in one package, US punya bulu kening sudah naik tahap bulan macam ini brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif

btw, still dunno who will operate the marine, not sure atm or tldm or a separate branch by itself

LDP sure most likely controlled by the navy because that what they want since log ago, just the LCAC, AAV, and super cobra siapa?
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post Sep 3 2014, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 3 2014, 04:18 PM)
Ehh...Why Chinese ship carrying 2 rusty old Soviet Akula subs?  brows.gif

Anyway,new thread ahoy!
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more like russian navvy

http://www.asiandefencenews.com/2014/08/ru...ossy-akula.html
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post Sep 3 2014, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 3 2014, 06:20 PM)
heh, US wanted to give us that because they wanted to piss one particular country off
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we also tip top around because our relationship with tat particular country whistling.gif

anyway, marine is not much a threat to them in my opinion.. more warships and air defend weapons. Then tat will really pissed them off

Imagine, not able to come close without being scared something could pop up and blast a hole on their ship or down a plane laugh.gif

or naval station at south china sea whistling.gif

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post Sep 4 2014, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Sep 4 2014, 01:02 PM)
Mistral for malaysia biggrin.gif haha impossible
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Russia wont be too happy about this. Even if we buy.

No money woh... 1.7billion makan our whole budget ad for next rmk
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post Sep 4 2014, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Sep 4 2014, 02:22 PM)
Bro.....klu post dlm military thread ni kita2 je baca.....ko try buat new thread psl ni tgk ape reaksi org...... dan aku rase aku boleh expect klu melibatkan kejayaan security forces.
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Dah tembak?

Target. Container barge ?
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post Sep 4 2014, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Sep 4 2014, 02:27 PM)
Ini tembak pilak
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Pilak tak kesah... central gov bodoh, dont want give permission to shoot..

Like seeing a robber rob but cant take any action than fire warning shots. Pilak know this and wave their hand like no problem. Politics at its highest

Asking thr exercise anyway. No gamber keluar yet. Boring tunggu.

But the 2009 used a stationary barge, just wonder have the navy try on moving target?
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post Sep 5 2014, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Sep 5 2014, 12:59 AM)
probably
LTZ, will navy gonna rakam the Jaws Itam shooting?  brows.gif
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rakam pasti ada.. the question will it released to the public?
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post Sep 5 2014, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Sep 5 2014, 02:29 PM)
Mistral ships may can't be delivered to Russia due to sanction onto them for Ukraine crisis
would the French be desperate to sell those Mistral at a cheaper price? and will M'sia be interested?  hmm.gif
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Not will not deliver

Hold delivery until november as on the contract. Supposedly earlier delivery, now delay the delivery and see what will happen before making any futher decision on france side.

If decided to not deliver, russian can sue for contract violation and still get the ship. France cant afford to lose the contract either way. If they dont deliver they won't get paid and russia will sue them also
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post Sep 5 2014, 05:35 PM

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I not sure wther the navy would prefer the flat top version like the mistral or dokdo or more ship like design with submersible well deck. During the MALUX AMPHEX 2014, i am sure the navy get to see the diff of those when USS Makin Island and other support ships arrived smile.gif

Personally, i would prefer the flat top version because it would be more capable on the long run and it more function for the future marine plan. Able to deploy more attack or asw helicopters and amphibious vehicles

BTW LTZ

What is the actual MPSS requirements, alot of mix information on the requirements hmm.gif

1) some say 2 unit, while some say 3 unit (Bernama report 3 unit, Link)

2) some say ~8000ton while others say RMN might consider a full-size (14000 ton) version based on cost and future requirements link

3) Some say the requirements changed ever since the marine plan take full swing ( Attack helo, asw heli, lcac and aav have to be included in the deal) - logic juga buy amphibious ship but not equipments inside tongue.gif

All the "some say", what is your comment?

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post Sep 5 2014, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Sep 5 2014, 05:43 PM)
Sori bro....although I am in navy, I am not that aware of this. Its still within mindef plan.
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tat when u visited mistral, the navy chief ada tunjuk interest tak? laugh.gif laugh.gif

again some say mistral is under heavy consideration because our past trading with DCNS and easier system integration but price tag abit mahal, - Bousted

then dokdo come in, cheaper and almost same capabilities and plus equip with US defence equipments( Only the hulls is korean, the rest sensors and defense system are provided the by US based on current dokdo class installation) - NGVTECH

then china type 071 come in, even cehaper laugh.gif - ini gua tak tahu siapa akan bina

lagi lama, lagi i pun tak tahu apa mindef tengah plan ni... sweat.gif

It more like Boustead VS NGVTech, siapa akan dapat contract tongue.gif

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post Sep 5 2014, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 5 2014, 06:05 PM)
Ngvtech proposed athlas 13000.
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dokdo was first proposed given the mou with the korean ship building company, ada send team evaluate

then only atlas reported when the mindef does no have enough $$$ to buy the dokso class

itu wat i dengar lah
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post Sep 6 2014, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 6 2014, 07:01 PM)


MBT-3000 tank.....new demo video。
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look like the hull from the T-series tank while the turret is the copy of American M1 front and British challenger sides
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post Sep 6 2014, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 6 2014, 08:24 PM)
Very low mbt design, 52 tons only, ATM should invite them come to demo test in here...... or come to LIMA 2015.
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if u want low, i would prefer the K2 design, slight heavier by rough weight 55 ton and lower or higher its suspension height

Best of all, got cooperation with Turkey brows.gif brows.gif

plus side, it look bad ass compared to the traditional slope turret designt laugh.gif
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Sep 6 2014, 09:16 PM)
During training....she was so cool, pendiam je..... nampak confuse2 pun ade sbb tu kena buli je.....especially by saravanan & her husband.
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today no exercise?

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post Sep 6 2014, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Sep 6 2014, 10:55 PM)
k2 still higher than mbt3000, Arm suspension add cost and complexity/maintanance to MBT,got advantage and disadvantage. 
not much MBT model if amry still want light MBT.
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K2 is 4th gen, mbt300 is 3rd gen laugh.gif of course it would be more complex or bigger plus more expensive blush.gif (most expensive tank)

if you want smaller, of course the other would be the Type 10. But by far, I still like the K2.



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post Sep 6 2014, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 6 2014, 11:14 PM)
Jangan persoal ambik type 10.
Type 10 ftw
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K2 ftw... Type 10 impossible due to japan export ban brows.gif
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post Sep 6 2014, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 6 2014, 11:30 PM)
No more exports ban liao.
type 10 ftw.
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Just liffted, but they still have not decided what weapon they are willing to export out. The latest was to india ShinMaywa US-2.. csar version only

K2, big heavy, technology centric and advance comparable to france leclerc tank laugh.gif .

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