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post Feb 10 2014, 07:37 PM, updated 12y ago

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Manchester United Club History

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Honours

Premiership (13): 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2013
Division One Champions (7): 1908, 1911, 1952, 1956, 1957, 1965, 1967
Division Two Champions (2): 1936, 1975

European Cup/UEFA Champions League (3): 1968, 1999, 2008
European Cup-Winners' Cup (1): 1991
European Super Cup (1): 1991

FA Charity/Community Shield (19 (15 outright, 4 shared)): 1908, 1911, 1952, 1956, 1957, 1965*, 1967*, 1977*, 1983, 1990*, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011 (* = joint holders)
FA Cup Winners (11): 1909, 1948, 1963, 1977, 1983, 1985, 1990, 1994, 1996, 1999, 2004
League Cup Winners (4): 1992, 2006, 2009, 2010

Toyota Inter-continental Cup Winners (1): 1999
FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008

Managers

A. H. Albut [1892 - 1900]
James West [1900 - September 1903]
Ernest Magnall [10 October 1903 - 9 September 1912]
T. J. Wallworth [9 September 1912 - 20 October 1912]
John Bentley [28 October 1912 - 28 December 1914]
John Robson [28 December 1914 - 31 October 1921]
John Chapman [31 October 1921 - 8 October 1926]
Clarence Hildrith [8 October 1926 - 13 April 1927]
Herbert Bamlett [13 April 1927 - 9 November 1931]
Walter Crickmer [9 November 1931 - 13 July 1932]
Scott Duncan [13 July 1932 - 7 November 1937]
Walter Crickmer [9 November 1937 - 15 February 1945]
Matt Busby [1 October 1945 - 11 June 1969]
Jimmy Murphy [February 1958 - June 1958]
Wilf McGuinness [11 June 1969 - 29 December 1970]
Matt Busby [29 December 1970 - 8 June 1971]
Frank O'Farrell [8 June 1971 - 19 December 1972]
Tommy Docherty [22 December 1972 - 4 July 1977]
Dave Sexton [14 July 1977 - 29 April 1981]
Ron Atkinson [9 June 1981 - 6 November 1986]
Sir Alex Ferguson [6 November 1986 - 30 June 2013]
David Moyes [01 July 2013 - Present]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Manch..._and_statistics

Record Home Win: 10-0 v Anderlecht, 26/09/1956 (European Cup Preliminary Round, 2nd leg)
Record Home Defeat: 1-7 v Newcastle United, 10/09/1927 [Division 1]

Record Away Win: 8-1 v Nottingham Forest, 06/02/1999
Record Away Defeat: 0-7 v Blackburn Rovers, 10/04/1926 (Division 1) | 0-7 v Aston Villa, 27/12/1930 [Division 1] | 0-7 v Wolverhampton Wanderers, 26/12/1931 [Division 2]

Record Win: 10-0 v Anderlecht, 26/09/1956 (European Cup Preliminary Round, 2nd leg)
Record Defeat: 0-7 v Blackburn Rovers, 10/04/1926 (Division 1) | 0-7 v Aston Villa, 27/12/1930 [Division 1] | 0-7 v Wolverhampton Wanderers, 26/12/1931 [Division 2]

Record League Win: 10-1 v Wolves, 15/10/1892 (Division 1)
Record League Defeat: 0-7 v Blackburn Rovers, 10/04/1926 (Division 1) | 0-7 v Aston Villa, 27/12/1930 [Division 1] | 0-7 v Wolverhampton Wanderers, 26/12/1931 [Division 2]

Record Premier League Win: 9-0 v Ipswich Town, 04/03/1995
Record Premier League Defeat: 0-5 v Newcastle United, 20/10/1996 | 0-5 v Chelsea, 03/10/1999 | 1–6 v Manchester City, 23 October 2011

Record FA Cup Win: 8-0 v Yeovil Town, 12/02/1949
Record FA Cup Defeat: 1-7 v Burnley, 13/02/1901 [1st Round]

Record European Win: 10-0 v Anderlecht, 26/09/1956 (European Cup Preliminary Round, 2nd leg)
Record European Defeat: 0-5 v Sporting, 18/03/1964 [Cup Winners' Cup QF]

Record Champions League Win: 7-1 v Roma, 10/04/2007 [UCL QF, 2nd leg]

Record Home Attendance (At Old Trafford): 76,098 31/3/2007 Premier League (Man Utd vs Blackburn) (83,260 for United v Arsenal at Maine Road in 1948)

Record League Appearances: 669 (116) Ryan Giggs 1990 - Present (as of 23 February 2014) [957 (160) overall]

Record League Goalscorer: 199 [in 606 league appearances] Sir Bobby Charlton 1956/73

Record Transfer Fee Received: 80,000,000 pounds for Cristiano Ronaldo to Real Madrid (July 2009)

Record Transfer Fee Paid: 37,100,000 pounds for Juan Mata from Chelsea (January 2014)


As the world's biggest and richest club, Manchester United reach a global fanbase.

Part of the attraction for fans around the world has been the football luminaries, such as George Best and Sir Bobby Charlton, who have graced the Old Trafford turf in a Manchester United shirt over the years.

Recently, Manchester United have continued to attract or develop some of the game's biggest names, with England stalwarts such as Paul Scholes and David Beckham having been regular fixtures in the Reds line-up.

The Manchester United team, past and present, reads like a who's who of world football.

It is only fitting that a great team should grace a great stadium. And with Old Trafford's recent development and the closure of Wembley, the ground is easily the largest in English football, holding in excess of 60,000 fans.

Despite this capacity, the demand to see United in action is so great that tickets are hard to come by.

But it isn't only Manchester United fans who flock to Old Trafford. The standard of the ground is such that it regularly hosts high-profile games, most notably, the Champions League Final and Great Britain rugby league games.

Rock fans have also made use of the Reds's facilities, watching a number of high-profile acts at the ground.

But it's football that will forever be synonymous with the Reds famous ground - and with good reason.

The last decade has seen Manchester United under the shrewd leadership of Sir Alex Ferguson maintain a virtual stranglehold on the Premiership crown.

Manchester United has won the league no fewer than 18 times in their history. They are also Cup Kings too, winning the FA cup 11 times, the league cup 4 times, as well as winning the European Super Cup, European Cup Winner's Cup, and 3 times being crowned European Cup champions.

Manchester United has long become a name associated with success both on and off the pitch.

As club profits continue to grow, Manchester United have become one of the richest sports clubs on the planet.

With supporters club branches on every continent, it's hard to go any where in the world and not see somebody wearing the famous red shirt of Manchester United.

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Old Trafford

Nickname: The Red Devils

Ground: Old Trafford

Pitch Size: 116 x 76 yards (106.0704 x 69.4944 meter)

Capacity: 76,000

Address: Sir Matt Busby Way, Old Trafford, Manchester

Postcode: M160RA

Directions: From North: Leave the M60 at junction 12 for M602 (Salford / Manchester). At the end of M602 (Jtn 3) follow the signs for Salford Quays and Trafford Park. At the roundabout turn right into Trafford Road (A5063), then at the bridge over Manchester Ship canal, keep in the right hand lane and turn right. Next, follow this road round to Trafford Wharf Road, and then left onto Watersreach. Continue through the traffic lights onto Sir Matt Busby Way.

From South: Leave M6 at junction 19, then take the A56 towards Manchester Airport. Join the M56 to Manchester, going past the Airport and then follow the signs for the M60 (Leeds / Liverpool). Leave M60 at Jtn 7 (A56 Chester Road) following signs for Manchester United Football Club. Turn left into Sir Matt Busby Way.

Ticket prices: 25 pounds upwards, concessions from 12.50 pounds. Tickets for the home sections are usually only available to members of the club and are normally allocated by ballot.

Contact information: Ticket Office: 0161 868 8020
Main Telephone: 0161 868 8000

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QUOTE(zenix @ Nov 24 2009, 09:18 PM)
Hope Alien will sticky this info later.
Though written in 2006 so no Roy Keane yet.

Ex-United players that have moved on to become managers.

Written by Simon Stone (MARCH 22, 2006)

STEVE BRUCE (1987-1996): Took his first steps in management with Sheffield United in 1998, then swiftly moved on to Huddersfield, Wigan and Crystal Palace. Left Selhurst Park in acrimonious fashion after Birmingham targeted him as the replacement for Trevor Francis in 1991. Took Blues into the Premier League but after a heavy FA Cup defeat is struggling to keep his job.

MARTIN POWELL (1971-1983): Stylish and well-respected Scotland centre-half whose authoritative nature appeared to make him a natural for the management game. Lasted four months at Burnley.

SIR BOBBY CHARLTON (1956-1973): Arguably the finest English player of all time proved to be an unmitigated disaster as a manager. Claimed he was not given the resources to make a decent job of it at Preston but was never lured back into management following his departure after a single season.

STEVE COPPELL (1975-1983): After a knee injury cut his playing career short at just 28, Coppell turned his attention to management. Steered Crystal Palace into the FA Cup final and then third place in the old First Division - the Eagles' highest ever - the following season. It was the first of four stints in charge at Selhurst Park in a career which has seen him move to Manchester City (for only six games), Brentford and Brighton. Now at Reading and about to steer the Royals into the top flight for the first time.

PADDY CRERAND (1962-1971): A key figure in United's 1968 European Cup triumph, Crerand lasted five months at Northampton before getting the bullet and, like Charlton, never managed again.

MARK HUGHES (1983-86, 1988-95): Hughes was never tipped as a manager by Ferguson but has taken to the game with ease. Took Wales into the Euro 2004 play-offs. Took over at Blackburn shortly afterwards, steering Rovers away from danger in his first season. Currently in contention for a Champions League spot.

BRIAN KIDD (1967-1974): Another European Cup winner who proved to be a poor manager. Got itchy feet in 1998 after spending seven years as Sir Alex Ferguson's highly-rated assistant. Took command at Blackburn but dismissed six months later.

BRYAN ROBSON (1981-94): United's inspirational leader under Ron Atkinson and Ferguson. There are two schools of thought on his stint at Middlesbrough - he either spent lots and achieved little (relegation and two losing finals) or he laid the platform for the Teessiders to become an established Premiership outfit. Kept West Brom up in extraordinary fashion last year but back in trouble again this season.

GORDON STRACHAN (1984-89): Scotland international who won the FA Cup with United and the title of the pre-Premiership era with Leeds. Sacked after five years at when the Sky Blues lost top-flight status, then enjoyed success at Southampton - reaching the 2003 Cup final - before resigning to spend more time with his family. Now at Celtic, has recovered from a humiliating Champions League exit to Artmedia Bratislava, and, after winning his first trophy on Sunday in the CIS Insurance Cup, is set to clinch the Scottish Premier League.

NOBBY STILES (1960-71): Along with Charlton, one of only two Englishmen to have won the World Cup and European Cup, he replaced his former England and United team-mate at Preston, with limited success. After a brief stint in Vancouver, returned to England to take over as manager of West Brom. Sacked after five months, having gained just three wins.
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Season 2013/2014 Fixtures & Results * Last Update: 30/03/2014 *


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[Fixtures On manutd.com]

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Manchester United Squad Photo 2013/2014

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Manchester United 2013-2014 Squad List [Squad number - Player Name] * Last update: 16/08/2013 *

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Barclays Premier League squad numbers 2013/14

1. De Gea (GK); 2. Rafael; 3. Evra; 4. Jones; 5. Ferdinand; 6. Evans; 8. Juan Mata; 10. Rooney; 11. Giggs; 12. Smalling; 13. Lindegaard (GK); 14. Chicharito; 15. Vidic; 16. Carrick; 17. Nani; 18. Young; 19. Welbeck; 20. v. Persie; 21. Henríquez; 22. Fabio; 23. Cleverley; 24. Fletcher; 25. Valencia; 26. Kagawa; 27. Macheda; 28.Büttner; 29. Zaha; 30. Varela; 31. Wootton; 32. Powell; 33. Bébé; 34. Cole; 35. Lingard; 36. Vermijl; 38. M.Keane; 39. Thorpe; 40. Amos (GK); 42. Blackett; 44. Januzaj; 45. Petrucci; 48. W.Keane; 50. Johnstone (GK).


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Reon's Signatures Collections

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post Feb 10 2014, 07:40 PM

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2nd. keep fighting guys!
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post Feb 10 2014, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(Xnet @ Feb 10 2014, 07:49 PM)
The 3 biggest mistakes:
1. SAF retire
2. He appoints Monyes
3. Fanbois standing behind Clueless Monyes
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How is he retiring a mistake? Surely he deserves a rest if he wants to after nearly 30 years of service? He is really old now and he has to retire at some point even if he doesn't surely he can't live forever. This transition phase is inevitable just not sure if Moyes is the right man at helm. Though for rival fans, long may it last.

#MoyesStay
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Hope Moyes stop crossing tactic which clearly not working well with us, hope for better result after this

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post Feb 10 2014, 07:58 PM

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post Feb 10 2014, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(Xnet @ Feb 10 2014, 07:57 PM)
Lets take a peek at TRANSITION as you mentioned.

Spurs - transition
Chelski - forever transition but fights for Title and top 4 all the time
Shietty - refer to Chelski
Everton - Monyes former club if you dont recall - flying under TRANSITION boss

United will die under this Monyes and his bunch of equally clueless backroom staff.

In case you wonder why i spell Monyes - substitute the S with T.
Thats what he is
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Please cut it off with the uncecessary name calling. I dont see the funny side of it and I am sure some of the posters who doesn't like that too.
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QUOTE(Xnet @ Feb 10 2014, 07:57 PM)
Lets take a peek at TRANSITION as you mentioned.

Spurs - transition
Chelski - forever transition but fights for Title and top 4 all the time
Shietty - refer to Chelski
Everton - Monyes former club if you dont recall - flying under TRANSITION boss

United will die under this Monyes and his bunch of equally clueless backroom staff.

In case you wonder why i spell Monyes - substitute the S with T.
Thats what he is
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Exactly why I said not sure if Moyes is the right man for the job. But calling Fergie's decision to retire a mistake is disrespectful to the old man.
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QUOTE(Xnet @ Feb 10 2014, 07:49 PM)
The 3 biggest mistakes:
1. SAF retire
2. He appoints Monyes
3. Fanbois standing behind Clueless Monyes
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1. Of course it's a huge loss, of course we would love it if SAF could have continued being the manager. But he is old (presumably he felt his energy levels and health wouldn't let him continue effectively), and he felt it was time to retire. After so many years of service, old man deserves his rest.
2. Nobody expected results to be down by this much, but either way done is done. Look at SAFs face every time the result is poor when he attends matches. He is definitely not happy either.
3. Fans don't have a direct say in who is manager. Look at some of the fans who are already raging and flaming DM outside OT and online. Doesn't change things. Things will only change if the owners decide to change it. So all we can do is wait, and while waiting it's better to hope he turns things around and improves instead of being negative for an entire season (or however long he has the job). If you got an OT season ticket then it's a different story, you can go there and voice out directly in the same ground tongue.gif



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I'm confidence we can get good result again arsenal, more confidence than Fulham match to be honest....they always struggle when Feb, they always struggle against big team, we are still a big team look at the player we have, reason we're lying at 7th place is Moyes
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QUOTE(alien2003 @ Feb 10 2014, 08:07 PM)
Please cut it off with the uncecessary name calling. I dont see the funny side of it and I am sure some of the posters who doesn't like that too.
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While it is highly acceptable for some special individuals to call others plastic and lalang?
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read from soccernet:- Hull City recently steamrolled Fulham to the tune of 6-0. United went in at half-time a goal down and with their full-strength team on the pitch.

sigh...
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Question for United fans...

If Dithering Dave were to go who do you think should replace him? I'm talking about someone in for a longer term not SAF to return to steady the ship and even that is unrealistic considering how he left in the best possible way with a title so there is no need to return now and tarnish his record.

I know most fans will drool for Klopp but he seems unrealistic at the moment as he has stated repeatedly that he is not gonna leave BVB any time soon.
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So, apparently chicharito is gonna leave us soon.

http://instagram.com/p/kNRI-gHMdx/#

You will be missed.

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I got a feeling young will start in the arsenal match... I'm like 99% sure he will start. LOL
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it's really hard to believe at this moment there's still utd fans supporting moyes. i thought only rival fans will support this clueless man.
Initially i still give chance to moyes to prove that he can manage man utd. But after seeing his useless tactics numerous times this season i have lost hope. Enough is enough, he might be a good man but he is not suitable to manage man utd.
"wish he wasn't the chosen one"
#moyesout
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Feb 10 2014, 11:43 PM)
So, apparently chicharito is gonna leave us soon.

http://instagram.com/p/kNRI-gHMdx/#

You will be missed.
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No.... Please no....

What did he say bro?
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QUOTE(nasrulafiq93 @ Feb 11 2014, 12:52 AM)
No.... Please no....

What did he say bro?
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Well, his post indicates that he has a LOT to talk about and will reveal them soon, which only implies one thing cry.gif
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Moyes = Rajagopal
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Feb 11 2014, 06:54 AM)
Well, his post indicates that he has a LOT to talk about and will reveal them soon, which only implies one thing  cry.gif
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Damn.. I hope he stay!!! Better finisher which can score crazy goal!! cry.gif
Please don't let him go.


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I got a feeling young will start in the arsenal match... I'm like 99% sure he will start. LOL
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i only remember him for this...

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maybe roberto martinez suits MU better than moyes after all...
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QUOTE(crispycreame @ Feb 10 2014, 02:57 AM)
with MU performing like this, it is easier for Arsenal to defeat them or at the worst draw. It seems i worry for nothing biggrin.gif
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I bet DM will deploy the same cross tactic again, since the last time won it for them.
Cross tactic may work this time tho, becoz arsenal player are shorter except Mertesacker and yeah the midfield will be overrun quite easily so again get the ball, pass it wide and cross it in brows.gif

QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Feb 10 2014, 03:37 AM)
Question for United fans...

If Dithering Dave were to go who do you think should replace him? I'm talking about someone in for a longer term not SAF to return to steady the ship and even that is unrealistic considering how he left in the best possible way with a title so there is no need to return now and tarnish his record.

I know most fans will drool for Klopp but he seems unrealistic at the moment as he has stated repeatedly that he is not gonna leave BVB any time soon.
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Well, Michael Laudrup is available now brows.gif
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Wow. It is just great to know that if we sack Moyes, there are so many experts here who can replace Moyes and guarantee do a better job.

I can see we have so many great fans here who specialize in contributing absolutely nothing except gloating and insulting our own club and their staff. Truly the mark of great fans.

It's great to see we have so many fans who are more interested in being right, than they are in supporting their own club. People who literally celebrate with glee everytime United lose because it's their chance to be right. And their chance to insult the club's staff and other supporters. The human ego truly knows no boundaries.

Does the above sound nice? Do you like that? Cause that's what you're gonna get when United win. And then you're going to have to hide in your little hole until United lose again. And then vice versa. Is that the kind of forum you want? If you don't like it, then please stop with all the childish gloating and insults now.

And the worst part is, there are some people in here pretending who post with agenda and are using this chance to insult and gloat against united and some clueless fans actually fall for it and join in the blind bashing. Simply shameful.

That's why I keep saying. It's alright to discuss, debate and even criticize. But I draw the line at blind bashing. If you've got nothing better to say than "f*** MOYES", then you better shut up. This is not your personal blog for you to vent your emotional immaturities. Contribute ideas. Not senseless gloating and insults.

And now this applies to both sides of the divide. Grow up man. This is an online forum and there will be many different people with many different opinions. Learn to live with that. You're not gonna win any medals if you're right. And that's assuming there's even a right and wrong. Life is a shade of grey. Things aren't always so simple.
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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Feb 11 2014, 12:12 PM)
Wow. It is just great to know that if we sack Moyes, there are so many experts here who can replace Moyes and guarantee do a better job.

I can see we have so many great fans here who specialize in contributing absolutely nothing except gloating and insulting our own club and their staff. Truly the mark of great fans.

It's great to see we have so many fans who are more interested in being right, than they are in supporting their own club. People who literally celebrate with glee everytime United lose because it's their chance to be right. And their chance to insult the club's staff and other supporters. The human ego truly knows no boundaries.

Does the above sound nice? Do you like that? Cause that's what you're gonna get when United win. And then you're going to have to hide in your little hole until United lose again. And then vice versa. Is that the kind of forum you want? If you don't like it, then please stop with all the childish gloating and insults now.

And the worst part is, there are some people in here pretending who post with agenda and are using this chance to insult and gloat against united and some clueless fans actually fall for it and join in the blind bashing. Simply shameful.

That's why I keep saying. It's alright to discuss, debate and even criticize. But I draw the line at blind bashing. If you've got nothing better to say than "f*** MOYES", then you better shut up. This is not your personal blog for you to vent your emotional immaturities. Contribute ideas. Not senseless gloating and insults.

And now this applies to both sides of the divide. Grow up man. This is an online forum and there will be many different people with many different opinions. Learn to live with that. You're not gonna win any medals if you're right. And that's assuming there's even a right and wrong. Life is a shade of grey. Things aren't always so simple.
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It's fine and dandy to call people plastic and lalang and go support other team?
And I noticed that the one that posted that is WELL and TRULY PROTECTED by the mods.

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QUOTE(Xnet @ Feb 11 2014, 12:20 PM)
And I say it again
It's fine and dandy to call people plastic and lalang and go support other team?
And I noticed that the one that posted that is WELL and TRULY PROTECTED by the mods.

Yeah GROW up and GROW some
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There you go again with your sarcastic posts.

I know who you are. smile.gif

And what makes you think I didn't warn the other side? smile.gif

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There you go again with your sarcastic posts.

I know who you are, friend.  smile.gif

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1. Of course it's a huge loss, of course we would love it if SAF could have continued being the manager. But he is old (presumably he felt his energy levels and health wouldn't let him continue effectively), and he felt it was time to retire. After so many years of service, old man deserves his rest.
2. Nobody expected results to be down by this much, but either way done is done. Look at SAFs face every time the result is poor when he attends matches. He is definitely not happy either.
3. Fans don't have a direct say in who is manager. Look at some of the fans who are already raging and flaming DM outside OT and online. Doesn't change things. Things will only change if the owners decide to change it. So all we can do is wait, and while waiting it's better to hope he turns things around and improves instead of being negative for an entire season (or however long he has the job). If you got an OT season ticket then it's a different story, you can go there and voice out directly in the same ground tongue.gif
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I bet DM will deploy the same cross tactic again, since the last time won it for them.
Cross tactic may work this time tho, becoz arsenal player are shorter except Mertesacker and yeah the midfield will be overrun quite easily so again get the ball, pass it wide and cross it in  brows.gif
Well, Michael Laudrup is available now  brows.gif
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Yeah. Crossing game might work, but I think a quick counter attack against Mertsesacker's lack of pace might be better? Or some sort of combination of both, I guess.
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Yeah. Crossing game might work, but I think a quick counter attack against Mertsesacker's lack of pace might be better? Or some sort of combination of both, I guess.
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variety of attacking plans would be better imo.. makes it harder for opponents to read us

would love to see more of that long powerful shot outside the box. like Carrick did last match, surprisingly..

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Same lineup as fulham for arsenal -young +januzaj because of some awful overshot crosses and maybe -fletcher +kagawa for more creativity..

Arsenal are considered lightweights, in the tackling department, so if we employ the same style as we did fulham, we might be able to nick it..


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QUOTE(bansai @ Feb 11 2014, 01:00 PM)
Same lineup as fulham for arsenal -young +januzaj because of some awful overshot crosses and maybe -fletcher +kagawa for more creativity..

Arsenal are considered lightweights, in the tackling department, so if we employ the same style as we did fulham, we might be able to nick it..
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They don't have Riise as a defensive wall tongue.gif Their fullbacks are pretty timid but pacey. Can outmuscle them with Valencia brows.gif
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QUOTE(andrewtho @ Feb 11 2014, 01:15 PM)
They don't have Riise as a defensive wall  tongue.gif Their fullbacks are pretty timid but pacey. Can outmuscle them with Valencia  brows.gif
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well, they do have big and strong mertesacker, but he seems like a nice and soft guy to me...
ox, cazorla and wilshere as dangermen for me.. ozil might be man marked by fletcher.
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QUOTE(andrewtho @ Feb 11 2014, 02:15 PM)
They don't have Riise as a defensive wall  tongue.gif Their fullbacks are pretty timid but pacey. Can outmuscle them with Valencia  brows.gif
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QUOTE(bansai @ Feb 11 2014, 01:20 PM)
well, they do have big and strong mertesacker, but he seems like a nice and soft guy to me...
ox, cazorla and wilshere as dangermen for me.. ozil might be man marked by fletcher.
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I hope Jones will be fit by Thursday morning, he can mark Ozil again. Gotta agree on Wilshere, he is the man to watch.

QUOTE(fas29 @ Feb 11 2014, 01:21 PM)
Sagna's crossing is quite dangerous iirc last time we played them. Hope to see RvP score against them again  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(bansai @ Feb 11 2014, 02:20 PM)
well, they do have big and strong mertesacker, but he seems like a nice and soft guy to me...
ox, cazorla and wilshere as dangermen for me.. ozil might be man marked by fletcher.
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I prefer Jones/Carrick partnerships. Remember how Jones demolished Ozil? flex.gif

Plus, maybe this is his mentality?

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Sagna's crossing is quite dangerous iirc last time we played them. Hope to see RvP score against them again  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(silvertoes @ Feb 11 2014, 12:57 PM)
variety of attacking plans would be better imo.. makes it harder for opponents to read us

would love to see more of that long powerful shot outside the box. like Carrick did last match, surprisingly..
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Well I'm sure many of us would love to see more variety in attacking system. As it is, while the team is successfully holding possession and creating many crosses, the quality of delivery and receiving has been poor.
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Yeah. Crossing game might work, but I think a quick counter attack against Mertsesacker's lack of pace might be better? Or some sort of combination of both, I guess.
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Combination sounds good. The current excessive focus on crossing is making us way too predictable and easier to prepare for / defend against.


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meh. if this midweek we can get a fortunate win at emirates, which i highly doubt it, it'll be #moyesin all over again. laugh.gif

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^ boss +Newbie+, my remaining wp bila expires?? still got long time to go ar? brows.gif

meh. if this midweek we can get a fortunate win at emirates, which i highly doubt it, it'll be #moyesin all over again. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(sunblaze @ Feb 11 2014, 02:42 PM)
Combination sounds good. The current excessive focus on crossing is making us way too predictable and easier to prepare for / defend against.
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^ boss +Newbie+, my remaining wp bila expires?? still got long time to go ar? brows.gif

meh. if this midweek we can get a fortunate win at emirates, which i highly doubt it, it'll be #moyesin all over again. laugh.gif
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hoping that next season there will be major replacements coming in. Alot of players are leaving in the summer, hope that at least 5-6 players are brought in.

going off evra, ferdinand, vidic, giggs, anderson, fabio

needs to stay chicharito, zaha, lindegaard

needs to be given chances lingard, varela, keane, nani

needs to go bebe, also nani if not given a chance and also injury prone

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there is no point crying sacking or not.If it happens, then it happens.this is fascinating scenario for United. I'd rather us finish the top 4 or not in europe at all.europa fixtures are not ideal for us.better come back and focus for domestic competition next season

usually it always a must win against the gunners but since the scenario has changed, just give the best as possible, whatever the outcome.we're still missing out of top four

Arsenal is motivated after humiliation by liverpool but then again, just like us, they need a capable leader to rile up from this mess.so the outcome is still unpredictable unless we're still forgetting the plan B

remember, we hardly can beat them in terms of keeping the possession(even under sir alex), so don't be surprise if they keep the ball most.
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there is no point crying sacking or not.If it happens, then it happens.this is fascinating scenario for United. I'd rather us finish the top 4 or not in europe at all.europa fixtures are not ideal for us.better come back and focus for domestic competition next season

usually it always a must win against the gunners but since the scenario has changed, just give the best as possible, whatever the outcome.we're still missing out of top four

Arsenal is motivated after humiliation by liverpool but then again, just like us, they need a capable leader to rile up from this mess.so the outcome is still unpredictable unless we're still forgetting the plan B

remember, we hardly can beat them in terms of keeping the possession(even under sir alex), so don't be surprise if they keep the ball most.
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I share your sentiment but we will lose alot of revenue if it happens  sad.gif
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WOW JUST WOW.

Manchester United midfielder Tom Cleverley feels he has been made a scapegoat for the club's poor form.

The champions have made hard work of their Premier League title defence and may even struggle to land a Champions League place next season as they currently sit nine points adrift of fourth-placed Liverpool.

Criticism of David Moyes and his side has been widespread, but fans have aimed much of their frustration at Cleverley.


"When I first started getting singled out, it stung," the midfielder told the Mirror. "But it's something you have got to learn to take when the team is not doing well.

"My job goes under the radar at times. I am not a player who's going to beat three or four people and stick it in the top corner or go round tackling people like Roy Keane.

"I would like the fans on my side and it hurts a little bit when you have grown up at the club and love the club every bit as much as the supporters.

"But there are other people in the current United squad who have been through this kind of thing and they have made sure their quality shone through.

"I have got to look at those people. I have learned to take it with a pinch of salt and I'm sure it will make me stronger for the rest of my career.

"I feel I've been made a scapegoat a little bit. A few people in the media certainly seem to have a perception of me not doing much in the team.

"I feel I've been made a scapegoat a little bit. A few people in the media certainly seem to have a perception of me not doing much in the team."
Tom Cleverley
"Don't get me wrong, I know I can do better but people are making a big thing about how I don't score enough goals when that is not necessarily my first job in the team."

United fans might want to see Cleverley in a box-to-box role, but that is not the role Moyes has asked him to play with the United boss preferring him in a holding role.

"I watch Spanish football a lot," Cleverley says. "If they pass the ball sideways but keep possession, the fans clap them.

"Their attitude is that as long as you have got the ball, the other team can't hurt you.

"I know the mentality is different here and that is what makes our game the best in the world because it is so intense.

"But sometimes I have got to not listen and play my game because I feel I'm doing the best thing for the team."

WOW. So he can't tackle, he can't create goals, he can't score goals, and he side passes. HE CREATED A NEW ROLE WHICH IS THE NOTHING ROLE.

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hahaha cleverly thinks he's doing what the spanish are capable of doing??
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WOW JUST WOW.

Manchester United midfielder Tom Cleverley feels he has been made a scapegoat for the club's poor form.

The champions have made hard work of their Premier League title defence and may even struggle to land a Champions League place next season as they currently sit nine points adrift of fourth-placed Liverpool.

Criticism of David Moyes and his side has been widespread, but fans have aimed much of their frustration at Cleverley.
"When I first started getting singled out, it stung," the midfielder told the Mirror. "But it's something you have got to learn to take when the team is not doing well.

"My job goes under the radar at times. I am not a player who's going to beat three or four people and stick it in the top corner or go round tackling people like Roy Keane.

"I would like the fans on my side and it hurts a little bit when you have grown up at the club and love the club every bit as much as the supporters.

"But there are other people in the current United squad who have been through this kind of thing and they have made sure their quality shone through.

"I have got to look at those people. I have learned to take it with a pinch of salt and I'm sure it will make me stronger for the rest of my career.

"I feel I've been made a scapegoat a little bit. A few people in the media certainly seem to have a perception of me not doing much in the team.

"I feel I've been made a scapegoat a little bit. A few people in the media certainly seem to have a perception of me not doing much in the team."
Tom Cleverley
"Don't get me wrong, I know I can do better but people are making a big thing about how I don't score enough goals when that is not necessarily my first job in the team."

United fans might want to see Cleverley in a box-to-box role, but that is not the role Moyes has asked him to play with the United boss preferring him in a holding role.

"I watch Spanish football a lot," Cleverley says. "If they pass the ball sideways but keep possession, the fans clap them.

"Their attitude is that as long as you have got the ball, the other team can't hurt you.

"I know the mentality is different here and that is what makes our game the best in the world because it is so intense.

"But sometimes I have got to not listen and play my game because I feel I'm doing the best thing for the team."

WOW. So he can't tackle, he can't create goals, he can't score goals, and he side passes. HE CREATED A NEW ROLE WHICH IS THE NOTHING ROLE.
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No spanish team in their right mind would buy him for sure
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"I watch Spanish football a lot," Cleverley says.


no wonder he always pass sideway/behind:) barca plz buy him
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^ boss +Newbie+, my remaining wp bila expires?? still got long time to go ar? brows.gif
meh. if this midweek we can get a fortunate win at emirates, which i highly doubt it, it'll be #moyesin all over again. laugh.gif
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^ u bastet. laugh.gif i wan be gooding boi riao. dun wan rage bombard dumb posts and kena increase warning meter riao. laugh.gif

tonite if main cross cross cross game against gooners, we shud be winning cos opposition punya players all shorties. laugh.gif
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i find this very worrying.. its back to back games now sweat.gif

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The Robin van Persie and Wayne Rooney partnership has again come under the microscope following Manchester United’s 2-2 draw with Fulham – after the duo completed just six passes between each other in 90 minutes.

According to Opta stats, Van Persie and Rooney were again virtual strangers on the pitch, and made two of those six passes from kick-off.

These latest statistical revelations can hardly be that surprising considering United flung in a record 81 crosses from the flanks against Fulham – meaning there was little opportunity for the two to combine through the middle – but following the pair’s three passes to each other against Stoke, it doesn’t bode well for the duo’s future together.
http://metro.co.uk/2014/02/10/robin-van-pe...just-six-passes
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i find this very worrying.. its back to back games now  sweat.gif
http://metro.co.uk/2014/02/10/robin-van-pe...just-six-passes
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lately i found our attack is quite rushed.
While glad to see some urgency to attk teams, but it is always that the wingers that provide opportunity to score by crossing in the box.
It seems like that is the only main strategy. But Valencia ain't no Beckham.

Hardly see any scheming or drag defender out, late runs into the box or little one-two with teammates to open up the defense.
With Rooney and vPersie fit plus the edition of Mata/Kagawa, we should be focusing more on the middle instead of the wings.

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On the draw against Fulham, which saw United produce 81 crosses, Moyes added: “We played well and in any other game you would have scored many goals. We didn’t get it on the day. Everybody keeps telling me about the stats and the opportunities we had so we had plenty of chances to win the game.

“We’re doing the right things, we need to keep going and our luck will change, there’s no doubt about that.”


Not sure if he want to keep problem private. But if he seriously thinking like that, he will get the sack sooner or later, since there won't be result. majority of the ppl know there's serious tactical problem except him. wondering glazier is with the majority or not
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It's quite ironic that Moyes has openly taking all the responsibilities of poor results but kept talking about rebuilding the team. So, was he saying the fault is not on the players but his own dinosaur tactics? Or he just playing taichi to indicate this whole squad, who won the league by 11 points last season, is not up to his "united standard"?

Seriously, it contradicts the reason that United hired him in the first place isn't it? Yeah maybe they want him to build another dynasty, but for sure it must follow his way of spotting talent yet spend less money method right!? The money he spent in last 6 months was a staggering £65m, good enough for good-scouting-manager to build at least half the squad!! doh.gif
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QUOTE(Reon @ Feb 12 2014, 01:38 PM)
It's quite ironic that Moyes has openly taking all the responsibilities of poor results but kept talking about rebuilding the team. So, was he saying the fault is not on the players but his own dinosaur tactics? Or he just playing taichi to indicate this whole squad, who won the league by 11 points last season, is not up to his "united standard"?

Seriously, it contradicts the reason that United hired him in the first place isn't it? Yeah maybe they want him to build another dynasty, but for sure it must follow his way of spotting talent yet spend less money method right!? The money he spent in last 6 months was a staggering £65m, good enough for good-scouting-manager to build at least half the squad!! doh.gif
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Gotta agree on the 65mil. But right now the market is inflated, players that are deemed with 'potential' or currently on-form will result to a sky-high valuation. We do not need 'superstars' players, with 65mil, I am pretty sure we are able to sign decent players that fetch a far lower price than the ones paid for Fellaini for instance. The price for Fellaini is indeed overpriced..still have yet to see him justifying his pricetag.

Mata's deal seems alright. Chelsea's best player for two seasons, able to play multiple positions and 3 assists in 3 games, sounds like a pretty good start to me. While Fellaini is still nursing his everlong injuries that is pilling up as the days goes by.. he has a big shoe to fill to justify his pricetag.
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man utd cannot sack moyes nw, cos they will hav to pay 25 million pounds compensation to him if they sack him nw

that is also one of the reasons for keeping moyes until nw
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Glaziers are businessman first. so sacking Moyes will not their top agenda.

losing CL money will hurt them later. i predict Moyes will be sack around May next year.
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Holy shoot
Just know chelsea drew with wba also thru late equaliser
Damn other teams also inconsistent recently but we yet to take advantage of that
So sad
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Holy shoot
Just know chelsea drew with wba also thru late equaliser
Damn other teams also inconsistent recently but we yet to take advantage of that
So sad
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QUOTE(Reon @ Feb 12 2014, 01:38 PM)
It's quite ironic that Moyes has openly taking all the responsibilities of poor results but kept talking about rebuilding the team. So, was he saying the fault is not on the players but his own dinosaur tactics? Or he just playing taichi to indicate this whole squad, who won the league by 11 points last season, is not up to his "united standard"?

Seriously, it contradicts the reason that United hired him in the first place isn't it? Yeah maybe they want him to build another dynasty, but for sure it must follow his way of spotting talent yet spend less money method right!? The money he spent in last 6 months was a staggering £65m, good enough for good-scouting-manager to build at least half the squad!! doh.gif
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1. Transfers are not Moyes' domain. That is Ed Woodward's.
2. He doesn't have the luxury of time like he did in Everton. Here, he'd be lucky to even get 3 years, let alone 11 years to slowly build and rebuild the team.

The team is at the point where old players are too old and young players are too young. And the players in between are injured. It's that kind of luck and situation. Now that Rooney, RvP are back and hopefully they can paper over the weak defence.

QUOTE(nasrulafiq93 @ Feb 12 2014, 03:06 PM)
Holy shoot
Just know chelsea drew with wba also thru late equaliser
Damn other teams also inconsistent recently but we yet to take advantage of that
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Yeah. Damn sad to see that United aren't taking advantage of these chances. sad.gif
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QUOTE(sinoffire @ Feb 12 2014, 10:39 AM)
^ u bastet. laugh.gif i wan be gooding boi riao. dun wan rage bombard dumb posts and kena increase warning meter riao. laugh.gif
tonite if main cross cross cross game against gooners, we shud be winning cos opposition punya players all shorties. laugh.gif
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I dream about us win mickey mouse, then lose to sunder

CL I dont dare dream
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QUOTE(jep @ Feb 12 2014, 05:09 PM)
Can forgive if he take us to CL Final  tongue.gif
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dengan fulham pon x boleh makan ada hati nak gi final UCL....meet bayern munich/barca/real madrid/psg sure kena rape kaw2.. whistling.gif whistling.gif
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QUOTE(skystrike @ Feb 12 2014, 05:20 PM)
dengan fulham pon x boleh makan ada hati nak gi final UCL....meet bayern munich/barca/real madrid/psg sure kena rape kaw2.. whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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not when next round UCL draw

b.munich vs barca
rmadrid vs psg

manutd????
profit. icon_idea.gif brows.gif laugh.gif

zenix THAT special formation huh?? brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(sinoffire @ Feb 12 2014, 05:25 PM)
not when next round UCL draw

b.munich vs barca
rmadrid vs psg

manutd????
profit.  icon_idea.gif  brows.gif  laugh.gif

zenix THAT special formation huh??  brows.gif  brows.gif
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still can face them in semi biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(sinoffire @ Feb 12 2014, 05:25 PM)
not when next round UCL draw

b.munich vs barca
rmadrid vs psg

manutd????
profit.  icon_idea.gif  brows.gif  laugh.gif

zenix THAT special formation huh??  brows.gif  brows.gif
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That formation inside your seluar brows.gif

Match day!! rclxm9.gif

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1. Transfers are not Moyes' domain. That is Ed Woodward's.
2. He doesn't have the luxury of time like he did in Everton. Here, he'd be lucky to even get 3 years, let alone 11 years to slowly build and rebuild the team.

The team is at the point where old players are too old and young players are too young. And the players in between are injured. It's that kind of luck and situation. Now that Rooney, RvP are back and hopefully they can paper over the weak defence.
Yeah. Damn sad to see that United aren't taking advantage of these chances. sad.gif
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screw passing the ball.

Put fellaini up top, hoof the ball forward.

Win ugly.

We need points.

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Win lose or draw still 7th, but if lose Moyes might get fired earlier #justsayin #ggmu #moyesout
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still can face them in semi biggrin.gif
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Win lose or draw still 7th, but if lose Moyes might get fired earlier #justsayin #ggmu #moyesout
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i hope to see Moyes break his own record of most crosses in a single game.
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although i want to see a win but somehow i rather see arsenal win for the specific obvious reason... hmm.gif

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Will be forgiven when he admits his inadequacies and resign together with backroom staff he brought in
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I would expect to see the mighty young/cleverly to play in this match
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Manchester United: De Gea, Rafael, Smalling, Vidic, Evra, Cleverley, Carrick, Valencia, Mata, Rooney, van Persie.

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United XI: De Gea, Rafael, Smalling, Vidic, Evra; Valencia, Cleverley, Carrick, Mata; Rooney, van Persie

Subs: Lindegaard, Büttner, Ferdinand, Fellaini, Young, Hernandez, Januzaj

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Cleverly and Valencia start.......... crossing game again.... ?
Moyes really a joker...

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QUOTE(Tsuto @ Feb 13 2014, 02:56 AM)
Cleverly and Valencia start.......... crossing game again.... ?
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Januzaj on the bench and Kagawa doesnt even make it... What is wrong with Moyes?
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Sir Cleverly is playing
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Scapegoat Cleverly is playing... Oh my...
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really hope kagawa can go back to dortmund this summer.
waste talent if moyes dont want to use him.

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i hope we lose tonight then #bestofluckmoyes
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Whatever happens this season, moyes is still the manager.. he won't get sacked and he will get more money to spend this summer..

I don't like the results, but i've accepted that he's going to stay, so i'm standing by the team, for the team and cheering them all the way.

Whatever happens tonight GGMU
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Tight game. Defensively very sound but the forwards needs to make something happen hmm
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Yea, first half was ok.. just need a bit more on the attack.

Rooney seems to be having a bit of a tough time though, can see his annoyance level increasing.
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that why moyes play crossing
our mid not strong enuf..
we need midfielder that can hold ball forward
carrick is more like defensive mid...
cleverly mcm biasa rclxub.gif ... why saf bought him in lol

#berdiritegang

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not much ppl here watch it seems:) no need hope for your player to play.. the pattern will always be

cleverly/young/wellbeck/valencia rotating for at least 3 places. kagawa januzaj chica will have to scrap for the remaining slot
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I'm watching but cleverley and valencia are ineffective
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QUOTE(john_white @ Feb 13 2014, 04:38 AM)
that why moyes play crossing
our mid not strong enuf..
we need midfielder that can hold ball forward
carrick is more like defensive mid...
cleverly mcm biasa rclxub.gif ... why saf bought him in lol

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since when we bought cleverley?  rolleyes.gif
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ok.. check wiki.. loan
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Man utd must win
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Again the is no link up player from mid to striker.. really no chance
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Cleverley played really well today many crucial interception..
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bought 17m player and field a 5m player
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bought 17m player and field a 5m player
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just woke up where is mata playing?
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sagna->giroud getting dangerous
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QUOTE(cristiano7mu @ Feb 13 2014, 05:15 AM)
just woke up where is mata playing?
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hit the bar.
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Look like young gonna in
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young is coming on
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young is coming on
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Wow, really scared redi...too damn attack from arsenal
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with top four now all drawing, losing... if only we can win those winnable matches,....arghh!
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young came in like do ntg.
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Draw...keep hold record....arsenal cannot win with man utd
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We should go all the way... Haih arsenal were vurnerable..

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did even Januzaj got the ball after he came in? no crosses today but long balls forward there are plenty


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I take 1 points.need a little tweaking.defensive wise it nice to see rio-vida working well but just like their ages, can't be rely too much.hope rafael is ok

rvp could bury one especially the header one.keep crossing lads

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not many cross today
he realize that cross really not working properly
even he doesn't wan use kagawa
i hope he use mata rooney janujaz
without fellaini..our hope on darren fletcher

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1 point pun ok laa
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Vida rio combination quite good. Dont know how to survive next season theyre gone
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overall i'm satisfied with the result and the way we play...no more one route crossing play...very discipline and we are unlucky to not get a goal
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much better defending than last match.. still tend to panic n clear the ball up the field though
Vida or De Gea deserves to get man of the match.. great defense rclxms.gif

Sagna's crosses is damn good yo.. thank god they dont have great strikers anymore
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Very good discipline in defend. How I hope we continue this performance in defend instead of give up cheap goals like previous matches.

We miss many chances especially RVP one on one with the GK. He should score that.
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good job for defense,we almost win it,but a draw seem satisfying.
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Satisfying? 11 points away from top 4. GG this season miracle if we manage top 4 or even better winning the cl lol..what are the odds.
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We top 4 dis season?not chance at all. At least, i rela see chelsea win a title than arsenal, man city or liverpool...their fan really annoying dis season...
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QUOTE(projectnew @ Feb 13 2014, 06:00 AM)
Satisfying? 11 points away from top 4. GG this season miracle if we manage top 4 or even better winning the cl lol..what are the odds.
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no need to worry. manchester utd is going to win the champ league... according to moyes laugh.gif
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Fuuu, nasib he didn't play. If not, mmg man utd kalah.

Anyways, back on topic, I still cannot figure out why Moyes don't want to play Kagawa. I mean, even though when Kagawa do play, often than most time, he play so-so (except the leverkusen game in CL where he was superb), he needs a run of game to get better.

And Moyes keeps playing Young la. I don't hate the guy, but, he doesn't offer much to the team, other than better crosses compared to Valencia, and the occasionally long strike towards goal. But, sometimes, he tries to overrate himself trying to beat defenders, which most often than not, either kena out-muscled, or he run2, until the corner flag, where his in good position to cross before and hits the defender leg to put into corner.
Maybe because its world cup year, moyes was given instruction to play the english players more often, we don't know.

For today's game, everyone played well, including cleverly for his defensive approach. The only one that seem distant throughout the match is RVP, with the occasionally odd touches, and two excellent chances he squandered.

If this season Man Utd don't qualify for CL, I hope they don't qualify for Europa as well, because of the schedule of playing a ECL game 2/3 days before a EPL game.

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Qualify to europa ok what, but never play key player la, give sub or young academy player play
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we did quite 'okay' for today's match.

i can see that they are trying very hard to minimize the crossings laugh.gif in which however exposed our lack of commanding attacking central midfielder to control the ball at the opponent's half. too many loose balls.

that role shud have been perfect for mata, but then again, moyes plays him as a winger. (which i strongly against because of mata's lack of pace).

this also shows that playing 2 holding midfielders at the same time (carrick-fletcher or carrick-cleverly) isnt working anymore. the combination yields too little service to the strikers (which resulted in less goal scoring chances and had to rely heavily from the crosses). i wish moyes stick with carrick alone as the holding midfielder and kagawa/mata as the CM in front of carrick since kagawa/mata can pass/dribble the ball better than cleverly

carrick was consistent as he was in the last 10 matches or so. cleverly was average, but better than he did in the last 5 matches he played.

persie shud have scored the first minute chance. still not quite back to his goal scoring form. same goes to rooney. they are very average since they came back from injury.

de gea was superb. our defenders played surprisingly good laugh.gif but that might have been because arsenal themselves played very poorly.

hopefully this one point can be the stepping stone for united to back to winning ways.

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QUOTE(Sifha238 @ Feb 13 2014, 06:21 AM)
Qualify to europa ok what, but never play key player la, give sub or young academy player play
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Didn't have much expectation on this match anyway so 1 point away to Arsenal seems a decent result especially we didn't concede goal. It's just that the European Footballs are slipping away further more when Liverpool won at Fulham with last 10 minute PK. doh.gif

Tom Cleverley still doesn't look convincing enough to be a starter though. Other than doing the usual roaming around center part I just couldn't remember he did anything offensive to actually set up a play or through pass or some sort. Everytime I see he gets the ball he will quickly pass it away (mostly backward) to avoid being tackled. He just doesn't have the confidence with the ball or not man enough to handle responsibility and taking risk for offense play. Gone are the days Scholes one man can bring the ball from back to the front. sleep.gif
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QUOTE(Reon @ Feb 13 2014, 06:34 AM)
Didn't have much expectation on this match anyway so 1 point away to Arsenal seems a decent result especially we didn't concede goal. It's just that the European Footballs are slipping away further more when Liverpool won at Fulham with last 10 minute PK. doh.gif

Tom Cleverley still doesn't look convincing enough to be a starter though. Other than doing the usual roaming around center part I just couldn't remember he did anything offensive to actually set up a play or through pass or some sort. Everytime I see he gets the ball he will quickly pass it away (mostly backward) to avoid being tackled. He just doesn't have the confidence with the ball or not man enough to handle responsibility and taking risk for offense play. Gone are the days Scholes one man can bring the ball from back to the front.  sleep.gif
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i believe his role tactically only allows him to do so. since moyes wants to play 2 holding midfielders. dunno why, maybe becoz moyes isnt confident with our defenders?

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Qualify to europa ok what, but never play key player la, give sub or young academy player play
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treat Europa League like League Cup. field fringe players in group stage, if advance further to last 8, treat it seriously. EL definitely not as prestigious as CL, but some decent players (prospective transfer target) still fancy it.

Glazers will love some extra money too..

without European competition, we need trim our squad to keep most player happy and game time. unfortunately the likes of rooney, rvp and even Mata will be itching to go.

an OK result @Emirates, slight improvement. but Fulham-Liverpool result spoil it.
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Yeay Draw .......!!!
Nearly to Bottom 3 ... Nearly Sir David Moyes kene sack..
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QUOTE(Bobot69 @ Feb 13 2014, 06:16 AM)
Maybe because its world cup year, moyes was given instruction to play the english players more often
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i always thinking about this..

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^Moyes is Scottish. English-Scottish sentiment is like Chinese-Japanese.. same was SAF.
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1 worldclass player - £40-£50m
if given £200m?? 4-5 worldclass players. sounds about rite.

Keano FTW!!!!!

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keep the gameplay going by not going for cross like the last game is a good display.. man the crossing game really can't brain.. must utilise mata and kagawa pls..
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QUOTE(sinoffire @ Feb 12 2014, 05:25 PM)
not when next round UCL draw

b.munich vs barca
rmadrid vs psg

manutd????
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QUOTE(nestlebliss @ Feb 12 2014, 07:25 PM)
screw passing the ball.

Put fellaini up top, hoof the ball forward.

Win ugly.

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QUOTE(three2wan @ Feb 13 2014, 06:03 AM)
We top 4 dis season?not chance at all. At least, i rela see chelsea win a title than arsenal, man city or liverpool...their fan really annoying dis season...
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Man City got fan? lol laugh.gif
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tbh everytime man united win.. i would be changing the match winning wallpaper on my company laptop.. but i just realise i didn't change the wallpaper for quite some time lol..
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QUOTE(john_white @ Feb 13 2014, 07:32 AM)
i always thinking about this..
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cannot be lor... then jeopardizing the whole team? I don't think this is a good to do experiment on our team. well, others seems performing well or at least better than us
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QUOTE(munky @ Feb 13 2014, 09:52 AM)
Man City got fan? lol laugh.gif
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good news is rafael, jones should return for next fixture.can't wait to see the return of fellaini

hope the squad take advantage training in dubai.
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QUOTE(legendofhafiz @ Feb 13 2014, 10:22 AM)
good  news is rafael, jones should return for next fixture.can't wait to see the return of fellaini

hope the squad take advantage training in dubai.
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nice.

fellaini might have been a flop, but he'll improve his game or moyes tweak his tactic a lil bit and ask fellaini to charge forward.
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QUOTE(dundermifflin @ Feb 13 2014, 09:08 AM)
^Moyes is Scottish. English-Scottish sentiment is like Chinese-Japanese.. same was SAF.
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off topic

english-scottish is like chinese-hong kong-macau, not japanese

chines-japanese is like english-france, speak different language

btw, you all talk bout europa cup ?

are you farking kidding me?

spurs is much stronger then united to claim the 5th spot


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QUOTE(legendofhafiz @ Feb 13 2014, 10:22 AM)
good  news is rafael, jones should return for next fixture.can't wait to see the return of fellaini

hope the squad take advantage training in dubai.
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lol

problem is moyes, not the players, you give him messi ronaldo also useless because moyes is junk
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QUOTE(BoltonMan @ Feb 13 2014, 10:48 AM)
lol

problem is moyes, not the players, you give him messi ronaldo also useless because moyes is junk
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then what about it? its not like moyes out everyday will make hik resign or leave. he is here now , I just give support to our squad to do their best.the season is 90% over,aspiration for top 4 is over as well. better hope he is improving the squad rather than sulking and crying over on our majestic poor season
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QUOTE(SGSuser @ Feb 13 2014, 07:03 AM)
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that guy get to go back stage
take photo and autograph la
apa pasal nak pity
me jelly eh
DAMN!
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Really low supply for RVP last nite, Roon was contained all the time
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David Moyes extended his record to 49 Premier League matches without victory in away games at a traditional "Big Four" team (Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool or Manchester United)

SOS
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hey guyszzz...whaduppp...MISS ME n my MONTOTs...lols...

malas nak komen sini...ramai worldclass player...sume dah menang ballon d'or lebih 10 kali...hebak2 sume...sembang sarupa mau tarbang...while our lads harness the hurt from abus n our own...i ask myself...wat did i do...bash them...no...i want to suffer with them...so bring it...i hav no shame of my club...no matter wat comes...no UCL no title...i hav witness n gone thru with it for decades...of glory...a season or two of suffering is nothing...its a process...i learn n live with it...its not a big deal...its football bloody hell...if u cant take it...pegi main congkak ke memancing ke...fly kite ke...go play tengteng n batu seremban...dah laaa...malas nak ckp ngan org bijak pandai n buat pandai...kalo terer sgt jom futsal...dpt kluar peluh n bonding session...sehat tubuh badan...dr stress komen kat sini pacitaaa...ahahahaha

p/s : to MUST wasap group...my fon skrin crack kena sandwich dgn pintu kereta...bye2 my nokia E71(ade pic my montot inside...i sedeyh kenot sent to u guys)...TQ nok'sE71 u've been a gud servant mcm SAF...now looking for new cheap fon for wasap oni...bajet takde...derma la sorg singgit bleh...ahahaha...miss u guys a lot...terutamanye sinoffire...lols...miss the banter on prev 2 game...gaythering tertunda ye sino...later get low cheap junk low class clueless fon mcm moyes(according to some junkier anonymous)...i buzz u guys...LOTs OF LOVE...kiss n BIG HUGs(pinjam from juanMata blog)...yg dikasihani benar, greenboi...#berdiritegangbehindmoyes SGT TEGANG like never before...
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QUOTE(budakhijau @ Feb 13 2014, 11:50 AM)
hey guyszzz...whaduppp...MISS ME n my MONTOTs...lols...

malas nak komen sini...ramai worldclass player...sume dah menang ballon d'or lebih 10 kali...hebak2 sume...sembang sarupa mau tarbang...while our lads harness the hurt from abus n our own...i ask myself...wat did i do...bash them...no...i want to suffer with them...so bring it...i hav no shame of my club...no matter wat comes...no UCL no title...i hav witness n gone thru with it for decades...of glory...a season or two of suffering is nothing...its a process...i learn n live with it...its not a big deal...its football bloody hell...if u cant take it...pegi main congkak ke memancing ke...fly kite ke...go play tengteng n batu seremban...dah laaa...malas nak ckp ngan org bijak pandai n buat pandai...kalo terer sgt jom futsal...dpt kluar peluh n bonding session...sehat tubuh badan...dr stress komen kat sini pacitaaa...ahahahaha

p/s : to MUST wasap group...my fon skrin crack kena sandwich dgn pintu kereta...bye2 my nokia E71(ade pic my montot inside...i sedeyh kenot sent to u guys)...TQ nok'sE71 u've been a gud servant mcm SAF...now looking for new cheap fon for wasap oni...bajet takde...derma la sorg singgit bleh...ahahaha...miss u guys a lot...terutamanye sinoffire...lols...miss the banter on prev 2 game...gaythering tertunda ye sino...later get low cheap junk low class clueless fon mcm moyes(according to some junkier anonymous)...i buzz u guys...LOTs OF LOVE...kiss n BIG HUGs(pinjam from juanMata blog)...yg dikasihani benar, greenboi...#berdiritegangbehindmoyes SGT TEGANG like never before...
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off topic

english-scottish is like chinese-hong kong-macau, not japanese

chines-japanese is like english-france, speak different language

btw, you all talk bout europa cup ?

are you farking kidding me?

spurs is much stronger then united to claim the 5th spot
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When england conquer scotland, many atrocities done to the scottish, so some of the ppl have ill feelings to english. thats why like chinese-jap relationship.

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David Moyes extended his record to 49 Premier League matches without victory in away games at a traditional "Big Four" team (Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool or Manchester United)

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holycow, thats mean for more than 10 years DM never beat the big 4 on away games rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(budakhijau @ Feb 13 2014, 11:50 AM)
hey guyszzz...whaduppp...MISS ME n my MONTOTs...lols...

malas nak komen sini...ramai worldclass player...sume dah menang ballon d'or lebih 10 kali...hebak2 sume...sembang sarupa mau tarbang...while our lads harness the hurt from abus n our own...i ask myself...wat did i do...bash them...no...i want to suffer with them...so bring it...i hav no shame of my club...no matter wat comes...no UCL no title...i hav witness n gone thru with it for decades...of glory...a season or two of suffering is nothing...its a process...i learn n live with it...its not a big deal...its football bloody hell...if u cant take it...pegi main congkak ke memancing ke...fly kite ke...go play tengteng n batu seremban...dah laaa...malas nak ckp ngan org bijak pandai n buat pandai...kalo terer sgt jom futsal...dpt kluar peluh n bonding session...sehat tubuh badan...dr stress komen kat sini pacitaaa...ahahahaha

p/s : to MUST wasap group...my fon skrin crack kena sandwich dgn pintu kereta...bye2 my nokia E71(ade pic my montot inside...i sedeyh kenot sent to u guys)...TQ nok'sE71 u've been a gud servant mcm SAF...now looking for new cheap fon for wasap oni...bajet takde...derma la sorg singgit bleh...ahahaha...miss u guys a lot...terutamanye sinoffire...lols...miss the banter on prev 2 game...gaythering tertunda ye sino...later get low cheap junk low class clueless fon mcm moyes(according to some junkier anonymous)...i buzz u guys...LOTs OF LOVE...kiss n BIG HUGs(pinjam from juanMata blog)...yg dikasihani benar, greenboi...#berdiritegangbehindmoyes SGT TEGANG like never before...
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QUOTE(kenlai5883 @ Feb 13 2014, 11:39 AM)
David Moyes extended his record to 49 Premier League matches without victory in away games at a traditional "Big Four" team (Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool or Manchester United)

SOS
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He couldn't even beat the local fiercest rivals, yet the board and SAF expect him to win against Europe elites? Com'on, this is United we are talking about. We are always winners. We should find a manager that can bring us forward, to challenge the likes of Barca, Real, Bayern, to do what SAF couldn't do. Yeah, SAF is a legend but he is still a human. For the good of the club he should be a motivation to the successor, not a bloody limitation. doh.gif

Last season v this season (so far):
MU without Moyes: Winner
MU with Moyes: 7th

Everton with Moyes: 6th
Everton without Moyes: 6th

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QUOTE(Reon @ Feb 13 2014, 01:24 PM)
He couldn't even beat the local fiercest rivals, yet the board and SAF expect him to win against Europe elites? Com'on, this is United we are talking about. We are always winners. We should find a manager that can bring us forward, to challenge the likes of Barca, Real, Bayern, to do what SAF couldn't do. Yeah, SAF is a legend but he is still a human. For the good of the club he should be a motivation to the successor, not a bloody limitation. doh.gif

Last season v this season (so far):
MU without Moyes: Winner
MU with Moyes: 7th

Everton with Moyes: 6th
Everton without Moyes: 6th

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I share the EXACT same sentiment and please dont give me this transition bull as its just a bloody excuse for failure.
I have said before many teams are in transition with new managers but for United to be from Champs to Chimps under new manager and his merry go round backroom staff just doesnt cut it.
Glazers will definitely feel the pinch having spent on panic buy and Mata without ANY progress or ambition.
Wrong tactics, plays players out of position, mind boggling subs ... and the list goes on.
Breaking records on a weekly basis - records of the worst kind.

I forsee him gone by the first few weeks of next season since this season is a lost cause
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You know guys... for a moment, I really want Jürgen Klopp be our mgr... so I can see Kagawa tearing the EPL team apart...
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QUOTE(sinoffire @ Feb 13 2014, 02:17 PM)
patotla senyap je bape ari lepas. rupanye fon rosak. eh eh, pi beli aku nye xperia miro. murah je, 699 je utk set baru. janji bleh wifi + wechat  brows.gif  + wasep sudah. xyah canggih2 nk samseng la mende la.

inb4 montot mana.
inb4 greenboi penipu scammer.  laugh.gif
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Sino x abis2 promore xperia miro, lol

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How many games do we have left? I think our only chance is to win the cl league.. Mission impossible lol
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QUOTE(Sifha238 @ Feb 13 2014, 02:02 PM)
Sino x abis2 promore xperia miro, lol

Faster buy new hp budakhijau, take muntot pic, chung waiting
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QUOTE(Sifha238 @ Feb 13 2014, 02:02 PM)
Sino x abis2 promore xperia miro, lol

Faster buy new hp budakhijau, take muntot pic, chung waiting
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woi woi xpariahxperia miro gooding weyh...scratch-proof, bleh waifai, bleh wasep, bleh take montot pic dah lah murah lagi. rm699 saja. apa lagi lu mau? icon_idea.gif brows.gif

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I've been thinking lately..

If Roo leaves , that leaves Mata @ NO10 ( a role he excels in ) , and also 20M-40M for us.

Kagawa might leave too , the signing of mata probably means that he won't get any playtime , he would probably go .

Clev . Just let him go. He hasn't been playing well , yet he whines in the middle of the season while the team needs as much morale boost as possible. Selfish.

3 of them should give around 50m , which is good enough to sign a good LB and CM . Fork out some money for a CB and possibly LM/RM , we're good to go .

With RvP or Chica in front , Mata behind , Zaha/Adnan/AV/Another winger brows.gif , Afro( if he return fully fit and with decent form ) + Carrick / Another new CM .

Of course , this is what I hope for , who knows others might leave , and we might not always get what we want .


BTW - Rio Vidic impressed me yesterday , so did Smalling ( Defensively not offensively )
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I've been thinking lately..

If Roo leaves , that leaves Mata @ NO10 ( a role he excels in ) , and also 20M-40M for us.

Kagawa might leave too , the signing of mata probably means that he won't get any playtime , he would probably go .

Clev . Just let him go. He hasn't been playing well , yet he whines in the middle of the season while the team needs as much morale boost as possible. Selfish.

3 of them should give around 50m , which is good enough to sign a good LB and CM . Fork out some money for a CB and possibly LM/RM , we're good to go .

With RvP or Chica in front , Mata behind , Zaha/Adnan/AV/Another winger brows.gif , Afro( if he return fully fit and with decent form ) + Carrick / Another new CM .

Of course , this is what I hope for , who knows others might leave , and we might not always get what we want .
BTW - Rio Vidic impressed me yesterday , so did Smalling ( Defensively not offensively )
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QUOTE(SomeoneElse @ Feb 13 2014, 02:21 PM)
I've been thinking lately..

If Roo leaves , that leaves Mata @ NO10 ( a role he excels in ) , and also 20M-40M for us.

Kagawa might leave too , the signing of mata probably means that he won't get any playtime , he would probably go .

Clev . Just let him go. He hasn't been playing well , yet he whines in the middle of the season while the team needs as much morale boost as possible. Selfish.

3 of them should give around 50m , which is good enough to sign a good LB and CM . Fork out some money for a CB and possibly LM/RM , we're good to go .

With RvP or Chica in front , Mata behind , Zaha/Adnan/AV/Another winger brows.gif , Afro( if he return fully fit and with decent form ) + Carrick / Another new CM .

Of course , this is what I hope for , who knows others might leave , and we might not always get what we want .
BTW - Rio Vidic impressed me yesterday , so did Smalling ( Defensively not offensively )
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Moyes wont leave on his own accord. that will be his 5 year++ salary gone.

what can he do, doing his best and wear thick ears. even i'll do the same, im United fan and he's not.
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TBH i nearly shed manly tears when watching Rio and Vida pairing again just like old times. And surprisingly both are doing really good job. Sad Vida will leave soon.  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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Wah exactly the same feeling when Rio came in, they both look solid running the center back together thumbup.gif

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TBH i nearly shed manly tears when watching Rio and Vida pairing again just like old times. And surprisingly both are doing really good job. Sad Vida will leave soon.  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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Yup, they did really good job last night. I found that Ferdinand offered stability at the back compare to Smalling. Smalling will make me sweat all the time. tongue.gif. And I really dont like when Smalling playing RB. His crosses are terrible most of the time.
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Top-four failure could cost United £70m

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70 mil is what a club will potentially get if they manage to go and win the competition.

but we need need late push for top 4 finish. anything above that is a bonus.

seems that Evra will join Vidic to Inter too...

can we get nagatomo perhaps?

and in unrelated news, Ravel Morrison will join QPR on loan. kinda shame to see him shooting his own foot, with his moronic attitude
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After reading an article on soccernet, I Hope Moyes don't destroy Mata like Kagawa. It's a big loss to football.
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found this... carrick..
hahah david moyes tak puas ati
i think moyes try to play attacking football but.....
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found this... carrick..
hahah david moyes tak puas ati
i think moyes try to play attacking football but.....
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found this... carrick..
hahah david moyes tak puas ati
i think moyes try to play attacking football but.....
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iinm at this time, both crowds are booing to the players, wasting time instead of attacking
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according to most bijak pandai observer...its moyes fault 100% + 200%...n he shud be sack or shud leave...actually the trend of wasting time n protect the lead hav been there in our gameplay quite a while since CR left...its just that under SAF it didnt bite us in the end...its the player that run the show...if they didnt follow the instruction from moyes...how izit the blame is on him?to moyes its we n us...they win lose draw as a team...he always shared n take the punch...he know n expect it...he's been there for long enuf to deal with it...

at least...this season...everyone get the idea of whats coming their way soon next season...everyone get their chances to show if they are capable to work with him...or deserved to be here...or they hav got complacent due to many title under SAF...like ando nani vida rio evra...some in the end of their career...some need new challenge...new experience...fresh breath of air...if the player think they still want to be here n keep fighting for man utd n the manager...do the rooney...i hope he will sign new mega deal that keep him here till he retire n broke all the club record which he is capable...if all the seniors is gone...at 29...roon is the most senior lads in the dressing room that hav been here for a decade...other than him its carrick fletch giggsy...it is a new era...rvp will be there for another season or two...tho all in all...for me...to asses n giv the lads a fair share of game n asses their future n commitment in a season wont be enuf...two or three season pon tak cukup...deswai i always prefer not to let anyone go...all of them hav their parts to play...even a small one...like a sparing partner in training...keep pushing each other n challenge n inspire to exceed n fulfil their potential n work harder n improved to be a better player...keep the squad quality n push for higher standard...tho wages issue will someone argue...no UCL how to pay n attract player...blablabla bullshit...mata come jgk...he knows the club will fight n push at all front...n he want to fight with us...play for man utd...flop this season...next season our mentality tukar ke fight relegation battle...mane punye mentality tu...SAF tak penah ajar pon...even kalau avoid relegation pon sbb bottom half now gap 6 point je...so be it...we gonna target for title...it the only way we used to know...ed woody ckp no problem pon no UCL...some team still sell shirt even dah lama tak menang title...

81 crosses...let me tell this...if we manage to do that in every game...when the crosses start to connect to our forward or player in the box or outside box or late runner into the box...when the process reach its maturity...with our striking quality...more than half of the 81 crosses will turn into goals...in that game...they line their body in the box with only rvp in there...wayne wait outside box or make late run...together with juan...crowded box pon we still put in 2 goals in 2 minutes...

mata is out of position...kags case...attacking players...a creative one...shud be anywhere...free role...they just brilliant bcos of their football knowledge n education...positioning...they understand the game inside out...just the case of helping the team to defend...attack as a team...defend as one...its a team game...its how i prefer...mata n kags maybe didnt strong in that area...but...as long as they willing to work hard n help the team defend...soon it will sort out n turn out gud...contoh depan mata...wayne rooney...its just a matter of time till moyes get his team n play as one...

the same squad that win the titul last year...yeah bullshit...then barca shud win la liga n UCL for decades...its all the same old xavi iniesta messi...same goes to bayern or dortmund...every season always a different challenge n situation...injury...form...SAF pon bukan menang every year...why citeh tak menang last year after they pip us to the title year before...

p/s : sakit montot tetiba...TLDR pepagi jumaat apahalll...emosi sgt nih...stress tak dpt join banter wasap group...kthxbai...
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After reading an article on soccernet, I Hope Moyes don't destroy Mata like Kagawa. It's a big loss to football.
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Region 2 doh.gif

Otherwise I'll consider. Our local players can support Region 3 only sweat.gif


QUOTE(pisces88 @ Feb 14 2014, 02:50 AM)
After reading an article on soccernet, I Hope Moyes don't destroy Mata like Kagawa. It's a big loss to football.
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Mata is more versatile than Kagawa. Mata can play on the flanks..while Kagawa only operates behind the striker, CAM, CF.
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Region 2  doh.gif

Otherwise I'll consider. Our local players can support Region 3 only  sweat.gif
no choice... other countries don't produce this

actually, dvd players region code can be hacked... if u r interested, give me ur dvd player model... i help u to check

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QUOTE(andrewtho @ Feb 14 2014, 11:09 AM)
Region 2  doh.gif

Otherwise I'll consider. Our local players can support Region 3 only  sweat.gif
Mata is more versatile than Kagawa. Mata can play on the flanks..while Kagawa only operates behind the striker, CAM, CF.
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Mata can play on the flanks, but he's good in the centre. Just like rooney can play anywhere, carrick can also play as defender, but what about the most effective position?

Kagawa played on flanks for Japan, but at United he's like a passer-by on the flanks
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Let's not argue what is Mata or Kagawa best position. The problem is DM's tactic!! He does not understand the theory of maximizing the player strength. He only constantly exposing players' weakness.

You do not ask a baker to do his best by building a house. That is not his strength! In football is the same, you find out your player strength, you maximize it. You do not ask a player to do what he don't do best and then say he is not good enough. The team is not at the best playing crossing all the day, then don't play like that. Change tactic, maximize what the team capable of playing and not constantly exposing weakness.

So if the club is playing badly... it is Manager's fault!!
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Feb 14 2014, 12:14 AM)
70 mil is what a club will potentially get if they manage to go and win the competition.

but we need need late push for top 4 finish. anything above that is a bonus.

seems that Evra will join Vidic to Inter too...

can we get nagatomo perhaps?

and in unrelated news, Ravel Morrison will join QPR on loan. kinda shame to see him shooting his own foot, with his moronic attitude
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some fanboi argue here why citeh didnt win a title with the same squad last season doh.gif hey they got 2nd place which not bad at all but Mancini sacked anyway lol...but us? 11 points behind 4th place...tell me which the last team of champion with the same exact squad+2 player improvement struggle so hard to stay at mid table ...cant even break above 5th place since forever...only 2 wins this year

for me i lose faith in Moyes after he said "i dont know what we have to do to win" doh.gif...that says a lot about him and his management team

for now i didn't expect United to qualify for Europe...i'll just enjoy the match for the rest of the season without caring about result and hopefully to see Rooney-Mata-RVP-Kagawa in the same lineup because this maybe the last season to see them in action in the same team
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kelab mana xde hutang bro heheheh. difference is how club is managing their debts.

u dun go around buy player with briefcase full greens, rite. debt is essential in running a business

real madrid also in heavy debt right now. i can say that their debt management is worse than us. that's what u get when you buy like no tomorrow

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kelab mana xde hutang bro heheheh. difference is how club is managing their debts.

u dun go around buy player with briefcase full greens, rite. debt is essential in running a business

real madrid also in heavy debt right now. i can say that their debt management is worse than us. that's what u get when you buy like no tomorrow
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QUOTE(hocksoo @ Feb 14 2014, 02:33 PM)
Let's not argue what is Mata or Kagawa best position. The problem is DM's tactic!! He does not understand the theory of maximizing the player strength. He only constantly exposing players' weakness.

You do not ask a baker to do his best by building a house. That is not his strength! In football is the same, you find out your player strength, you maximize it. You do not ask a player to do what he don't do best and then say he is not good enough. The team is not at the best playing crossing all the day, then don't play like that. Change tactic, maximize what the team capable of playing and not constantly exposing weakness.

So if the club is playing badly... it is Manager's fault!!
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THIS.

A manager's job is to maximize the potential of any given player to him, not forcing players to fit into his tactic when it's obviously not working. Attackers are attackers, just because they didn't track back that often doesn't mean they are poor. Their job is to attack, and they should reserve the energy and aggressiveness for that purpose. The same you can't expect a defender to score heading goals all the time while abandoning the defense. Everyone should play their position to the maximum level so that the team can perform to its best. A good manager is the one who can find a way to try to maximize the players' abilities on the field. cool2.gif

For the fans sake I hope he won't ruin Mata, Kagawa and Januzaj's talents with his dinosaur tactics. shakehead.gif
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THIS.

A manager's job is to maximize the potential of any given player to him, not forcing players to fit into his tactic when it's obviously not working. Attackers are attackers, just because they didn't track back that often doesn't mean they are poor. Their job is to attack, and they should reserve the energy and aggressiveness for that purpose. The same you can't expect a defender to score heading goals all the time while abandoning the defense. Everyone should play their position to the maximum level so that the team can perform to its best. A good manager is the one who can find a way to try to maximize the players' abilities on the field.  cool2.gif

For the fans sake I hope he won't ruin Mata, Kagawa and Januzaj's talents with his dinosaur tactics.  shakehead.gif
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Maximize every potential given to him? So when Wenger deploys Oxlade Chamberlain at CDM a few weeks ago even when he is a winger, does that mean that Wenger is wrong? Or maybe when Lahm is RB and Pep operates him as a CDM, he is wrong too? Does that mean that they are poor managers?

Do you know that every players has their own workrates? There are players with high defensive workrates even when they are attackers? For example, Wayne Rooney and Angel Di Maria. Sure they can attack, they have tons of stamina, is it wrong for them to help out the defense? Di Maria tracks back a lot because Ronaldo doesn't. Just like Tony V. The reason why SAF pick him more than Nani is because of his willingness to track back and help out the defense and counter attack whenever possible.

Are you implying that forwards should just stay at the middle circle waiting for the ball to arrive at their feet? David Moyes loves to deploy his full backs to carry the ball forward, hence you can see why Evra and Rafael are attacking a lot and sending in crosses, but it backfires on Evra because he doesn't return to his position fast enough while Baines will run backward whenever he looses the ball.

So from your statement, attackers should just be attackers. No need to help the defense. I wonder if a manager tells Wayne Rooney, 'Look Wayne, you shouldn't play a deep role, your job is to supply and score', do you think he will listen? It's his natural instinct to track back and help because he was Wayne Rooney.

And to those who are arguing about Mata being wasted on the wings, did you know that Mata originally played on the wings during his days at Valencia? No you didn't. You just assumed that his best position is CAM or CF because he has been playing here for 2 seasons? Lel. Even if he is playing on the flanks, 4 games, 3 assists. Enough? Just accept the fact that Mata can play in multiple positions and he is happy about it, instead of whining.

If Kagawa wants to leave the club, go ahead. He is better off at another club outside of England. His style of football doesn't suit our style, talented no doubt, just not the right league for him.

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i'm schedule for interbiu in Jun2014 riao. when asked why so late, they informed me that they received "quite substantial" amount of the same emails. so have to wait for my queue til then. sad.gif
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yea...kindly send your resume to unclegg@manutd.com for the position interbiu session. it will be done via conference call. please be ready.

i'm schedule for interbiu in Jun2014 riao. when asked why so late, they informed me that they received "quite substantial" amount of the same emails. so have to wait for my queue til then.  sad.gif
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PS: Don't go for Sino's interview session, you don't wan to be in his 'good' books brows.gif

QUOTE(sinoffire @ Feb 14 2014, 05:15 PM)
yea...kindly send your resume to unclegg@manutd.com for the position interbiu session. it will be done via conference call. please be ready.

i'm schedule for interbiu in Jun2014 riao. when asked why so late, they informed me that they received "quite substantial" amount of the same emails. so have to wait for my queue til then.  sad.gif
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QUOTE(andrewtho @ Feb 14 2014, 04:53 PM)
Maximize every potential given to him? So when Wenger deploys Oxlade Chamberlain at CDM a few weeks ago even when he is a winger, does that mean that Wenger is wrong? Or maybe when Lahm is RB and Pep operates him as a CDM, he is wrong too? Does that mean that they are poor managers?
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Well I'm not sure are they poor manager to you but at least to me they are better than David Moyes because their teams are currently sitting at the higher position than Manchester United.

QUOTE(andrewtho @ Feb 14 2014, 04:53 PM)
Do you know that every players has their own workrates? There are players with high defensive workrates even when they are attackers? For example, Wayne Rooney and Angel Di Maria. Sure they can attack, they have tons of stamina, is it wrong for them to help out the defense? Di Maria tracks back a lot because Ronaldo doesn't. Just like Tony V. The reason why SAF pick him more than Nani is because of his willingness to track back and help out the defense and counter attack whenever possible.

Are you implying that forwards should just stay at the middle circle waiting for the ball to arrive at their feet?  David Moyes loves to deploy his full backs to carry the ball forward, hence you can see why Evra and Rafael are attacking a lot and sending in crosses, but it backfires on Evra because he doesn't return to his position fast enough while Baines will run backward whenever he looses the ball.
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Yeah I agree on the examples you mentioned who have the high defensive workrates, and for obvious reason that cannot apply on the likes of Kagawa, Mata and so on. What I was saying is they were bought for a reason, and that (main) reason is to attack. Their focus should be attack, not track back all the time to tackle back the ball. If we wanted them to do that, we should've bought a defensive midfielder or a central midfielder for that purpose, who should be better tackler. These players should create opportunities and score goals. Even though there are versatile players like Wayne Rooney and Juan Mata who can play in multiple positions, but for the long term benefit of the team, they should be playing their most effective position to help the team to win games. And you can only win games by scoring goals.

QUOTE(andrewtho @ Feb 14 2014, 04:53 PM)
So from your statement, attackers should just be attackers. No need to help the defense. I wonder if a manager tells Wayne Rooney, 'Look Wayne, you shouldn't play a deep role, your job is to supply and score', do you think he will listen? It's his natural instinct to track back and help because he was Wayne Rooney.
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If Wayne Rooney actually followed his instinct, he should've made more shots outside the box when he had quite a few clear chances, instead of passing the ball out wide to the wingers who helped break the record of crosses in the Fulham game.

QUOTE(andrewtho @ Feb 14 2014, 04:53 PM)
And to those who are arguing about Mata being wasted on the wings, did you know that Mata originally played on the wings during his days at Valencia? No you didn't. You just assumed that his best position is CAM or CF because he has been playing here for 2 seasons? Lel. Even if he is playing on the flanks, 4 games, 3 assists.  Enough? Just accept the fact that Mata can play in multiple positions and he is happy about it, instead of whining.

If Kagawa wants to leave the club, go ahead. He is better off at another club outside of England. His style of football doesn't suit our style, talented no doubt, just not the right league for him.
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I have no complains on Mata's performance so far, just feel a little worry that his progress in the team could be stagnant due to the manager's tactics. The same goes to Kagawa, and any other talented player.

I support Manchester United football club more than its manager. I rather see a manager walk off a job that is out of his reach, than to see the talented players leaving Old Trafford due to his tactics and philosophy.

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seriously i dont see and i cant see the sign that moyes tactics or style ruining januzaj or mata talent.. and its so damn early to tell if any..

for a 19 yr old boy and on his 1st season of top flight football januzaj are progressing well so far..



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Well I'm not sure are they poor manager to you but at least to me they are better than David Moyes because their teams are currently sitting at the higher position than Manchester United.
Yeah I agree on the examples you mentioned who have the high defensive workrates, and for obvious reason that cannot apply on the likes of Kagawa, Mata and so on. What I was saying is they were bought for a reason, and that (main) reason is to attack. Their focus should be attack, not track back all the time to tackle back the ball. If we wanted them to do that, we should've bought a defensive midfielder or a central midfielder for that purpose, who should be better tackler. These players should create opportunities and score goals. Even though there are versatile players like Wayne Rooney and Juan Mata who can play in multiple positions, but for the long term benefit of the team, they should be playing their most effective position to help the team to win games. And you can only win games by scoring goals.
If Wayne Rooney actually followed his instinct, he should've made more shots outside the box when he had quite a few clear chances, instead of passing the ball out wide to the wingers who helped break the record of crosses in the Fulham game.
I have no complains on Mata's performance so far, just feel a little worry that his progress in the team could be stagnant due to the manager's tactics. The same goes to Kagawa, and any other talented player.

I support Manchester United football club more than its manager. I rather see a manager walk off a job that is out of his reach, than to see the talented players leaving Old Trafford due to his tactics and philosophy.

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I do agree that David Moyes is not very good with his tactics of late, but I was comparing about the different roles assigned to them by their managers even if it is not their original position. To be honest, players should be listening to the manager, because the manager is the figurehead of the team. I believe if SAF was around, no one would dared to question his authority, well maybe Keano but one thing for sure, the players have to respect their manager. Sure David is new to the club, maybe the players don't like him or he is just not as motivating as SAF, but the players need to respect him as their manager, listen to him eventhough it is not always correct.

I think Rooney's habit is this. He hates losing. Whenever the team is in trouble, he needs to be there to save them, forgetting his role as a forward. I have no issues with that, but at times Rooney can counter well, if you remember occasionally he does long-balls forward to the strikers in front, RVP/Chica etc. Mata will be fine, he enjoys his current role, playing multiple positions. Because his main role is currently occupied by Rooney, for the sake of avoiding Rooney's sulking temper /attitude or senior role at the club, Mata is has to give way, playing in another position.

As of now, I appreciate Mata's contribution to the club. His first touch is excellent, something that Wayne Rooney must look into. I foresee Rooney changing into a deeper role as he age on, maybe as a CM, there he can defend and distribute the ball at the same time. That last line wasn't meant for you, was speaking in general. Kagawa is a great player, just our play doesn't suit him. Heck, even SAF cannot make full use of his potential, always playing in different roles.

As long as David Moyes is the manager of the club, he has my respect. Of course not to the extend of supporting blindly, everyone has their limits. It's fine to share ideas and criticism, it's football after all, but not to the extend of calling the manager 'stupid'. Sure he made a few mistakes over the past weeks but I am still optimistic that he will change the tides around. He is given a 6 years contract for a reason, I believe it's time for him to show to everybody why he was the 'Chosen One'.

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you people do know that moyes got contract for 6 years rite

which means he'll be given time to mould united according to his gameplan. in other words, organics. players come and go but the system remains

having said that, i really do hope that we can get both vertonghen and dembele before world cup
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you people do know that moyes got contract for 6 years rite

which means he'll be given time to mould united according to his gameplan. in other words, organics. players come and go but the system remains

having said that, i really do hope that we can get both vertonghen and dembele before world cup
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prolly because he's been playing second fiddle,both in defence (parker,sandro) and attack(dempsey,eriksen). give him the double pivot role and he'll excel
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roy keane said we need at least 5 or six new players because we "cut corners" (more like punching above our weight consistenty since cr7 departed) and looking at the lineup +potential leavers next season,i agree with him.

in some areas, we can compensate with our current players (Zaha, Kagawa, Buttner...bebe?lol) and our youth player(bringing them from youth player and upgrade to fringe/squad member and let them grow from there), but other than that? we need established LB and CB to cover the defence alone.we also need CMs to play double pivot to carrick and cleverley,and maybe another wingers.
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Cleverley is back! rclxms.gif Well, at least defensively. Why Rooney stayed on the pitch after that abysmal performance I don't know. shakehead.gif

Hope the players will play their best to save the season. Be it getting into Europe, or win the CL tongue.gif brows.gif Either way, let this season ends and start afresh.

Have a good World Cup, good rest, and good pre-season together to have better ideas for Moyes tactics. tongue.gif blush.gif
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QUOTE(Seng_Kiat @ Feb 13 2014, 05:11 PM)
Yup, they did really good job last night. I found that Ferdinand offered stability at the back compare to Smalling. Smalling will make me sweat all the time. tongue.gif. And I really dont like when Smalling playing RB. His crosses are terrible most of the time.
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I totally agree. When Rio came on, team looked more relaxed and composed. Rio with his well-known composure in assuring the defence and find the right pass

(or at least tried). It would be very difficult to find that same partnership formula, but potentials are there with Evans/Smalling/Jones. Rio might have passed it, but

he is a valuable member of the dressing room and can be utilised as back-up. Vida and Evra leaving is already too big of a loss.
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I agree with points stating that the young players like Janujaz and Zaha would only have 1 or 2 chances in making and staying in the first team. Janujaz certainly

took his chances and grabbed it by the horns, so to speak but from I have seen with Zaha prior Cardiff, was he was either overwhelmed by the sheer size of the

club or something else. I still think he has the talent, but maybe he needs more time to be introduced into the EPL. Time will tell. I am certainly excited by the

sounds coming from the U-18s and U-21s. Janko, Pereira and Wilson. There is another young player who plays for U-18s who unmistakably plays like Carrick.

Have same stature, the playing and passing style is so similar you would think he is Carrick. Only that he is predominantly left footed but like Carrick, can play

with both feet.

EDIT: Found him. Sean Goss. wub.gif



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I agree with points stating that the young players like Janujaz and Zaha would only have 1 or 2 chances in making and staying in the first team. Janujaz certainly

took his chances and grabbed it by the horns, so to speak but from I have seen with Zaha prior Cardiff, was he was either overwhelmed by the sheer size of the

club or something else. I still think he has the talent, but maybe he needs more time to be introduced into the EPL. Time will tell. I am certainly excited by the

sounds coming from the U-18s and U-21s. Janko, Pereira and Wilson. There is another young player who plays for U-18s who unmistakably plays like Carrick.

Have same stature, the playing and passing style is so similar you would think he is Carrick. Only that he is predominantly left footed but like Carrick, can play

with both feet.

EDIT: Found him. Sean Goss.  wub.gif


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Imba long range passing skill....
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QUOTE(gr8fr8 @ Feb 15 2014, 12:43 AM)

I agree with points stating that the young players like Janujaz and Zaha would only have 1 or 2 chances in making and staying in the first team. Janujaz certainly

took his chances and grabbed it by the horns, so to speak but from I have seen with Zaha prior Cardiff, was he was either overwhelmed by the sheer size of the

club or something else. I still think he has the talent, but maybe he needs more time to be introduced into the EPL. Time will tell. I am certainly excited by the

sounds coming from the U-18s and U-21s. Janko, Pereira and Wilson. There is another young player who plays for U-18s who unmistakably plays like Carrick.

Have same stature, the playing and passing style is so similar you would think he is Carrick. Only that he is predominantly left footed but like Carrick, can play

with both feet.

EDIT: Found him. Sean Goss.  wub.gif


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Carrick built...scholesy passing range, sharp twist turn, simple n compose, collect ball, offer option...i see many scholesy trait in this sean kid...he can goss knock moyes door in 2 years time if he did all the right thing coaches tells him...adnan batch seems lotsa class of 92 dejavu...this sean kid built of carrick, lotsa scholesy traits with giggsy lefty...yummehhh...i bet his role model is the ginger prince...he sure watch him a lot n build his game similar to paul...paul to sean...
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This poor jap should have more assists under his belt. Talk about "unlucky", huh? doh.gif
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Well, some people just complaining Kagawa's performance wasnt good ... saying he didnt provide assist and score any goal much.... but they didnt see is the people who missed all the clear cut chances he provided...
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Fulham sign Felix Magath. Wow.
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QUOTE(gr8fr8 @ Feb 14 2014, 11:43 PM)

I agree with points stating that the young players like Janujaz and Zaha would only have 1 or 2 chances in making and staying in the first team. Janujaz certainly

took his chances and grabbed it by the horns, so to speak but from I have seen with Zaha prior Cardiff, was he was either overwhelmed by the sheer size of the

club or something else. I still think he has the talent, but maybe he needs more time to be introduced into the EPL. Time will tell. I am certainly excited by the

sounds coming from the U-18s and U-21s. Janko, Pereira and Wilson. There is another young player who plays for U-18s who unmistakably plays like Carrick.

Have same stature, the playing and passing style is so similar you would think he is Carrick. Only that he is predominantly left footed but like Carrick, can play

with both feet.

EDIT: Found him. Sean Goss.  wub.gif


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for some reason, he doesn't really convince me. looks like he's still pretty awkward with his left foot for some reason.
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This poor jap should have more assists under his belt. Talk about "unlucky", huh?  doh.gif
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GOOD GOD THIS IS SO FRUSTRATING.

HE PLAYS IN WAY BETTER CROSSES THAN YOUNG but everyone else just sucks so bad at finishing.
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GOOD GOD THIS IS SO FRUSTRATING.

HE PLAYS IN WAY BETTER CROSSES THAN YOUNG but everyone else just sucks so bad at finishing.
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he is not english...that why moyes didnt pick him... whistling.gif
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he is not english...that why moyes didnt pick him... whistling.gif
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Engrish gets priority like above skills,tactics and all others. =/

maybe we need to factor in something else in our managers ..... place of origin? hmm.gif that'll be racist huh. tongue.gif

just use mr nihon. we have TWO good playsmaker. TWO. plus TWO.5 world class striker (hernandez gets 0.5?)

sad to see how we are playing all the one touch passes back and fro and not getting any where.
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some fanboi argue here why citeh didnt win a title with the same squad last season doh.gif hey they got 2nd place which not bad at all but Mancini sacked anyway lol...but us? 11 points behind 4th place...tell me which the last team of champion with the same exact squad+2 player improvement struggle so hard to stay at mid table ...cant even break above 5th place since forever...only 2 wins this year

for me i lose faith in Moyes after he said "i dont know what we have to do to win"  doh.gif...that says a lot about him and his management team

for now i didn't expect United to qualify for Europe...i'll just enjoy the match for the rest of the season without caring about result and hopefully to see Rooney-Mata-RVP-Kagawa in the same lineup because this maybe the last season to see them in action in the same team
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Totally agree with you. Moyes is a joke! Puzzle me why glazers still haven sack him.. See wad happen after avb was sacked, at least tottenham is only 3 points behind liv and 7 behind leader.

Moyes made united a laughing stock. So embarassing., if moyes have any dignity left in him, he should just resign voluntarily at the end of the season. Deluded moyes

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or for this?


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Nistelrooy!!!!

OMG the reason why i is into United bandwagon more than a decade ago!!

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Fulham sign Felix Magath. Wow.
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But on the sidenote, he speaks so fluently wub.gif

150 goals for us, will never forget him. RVN 10 thumbup.gif
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moyes is our man until next season...!!
what? moyes is idiot? delusional?
there is other door to chelsea
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its really ironic that

rene draw with mu = sack
laudrup win mu = sack
avb draw with mu = sack

siapa lagi?
and our moyes still can field young week in week out happily smile.gif

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its really ironic that

rene draw with mu = sack
laudrup win mu = sack
avb draw with mu = sack

siapa lagi?
and our moyes still can field young week in week out happily smile.gif
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arsene draw with mu = ????
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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Feb 15 2014, 11:12 PM)
its really ironic that

rene draw with mu = sack
laudrup win mu = sack
avb draw with mu = sack

siapa lagi?
and our moyes still can field young week in week out happily smile.gif
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arsene draw with mu = ????
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Rooney on the brink of signing a new contract, 300k a week. But the question is.. will that change his mind about leaving? Hard to bet on, who knows, next year he might want to leave us again, seems like he's been doing it rather frequent lately. meh
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Rooney on the brink of signing a new contract, 300k a week. But the question is.. will that change his mind about leaving? Hard to bet on, who knows, next year he might want to leave us again, seems like he's been doing it rather frequent lately. meh
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Yeah 300k per week is astronomical figure, and this might unbalance the team in terms of wage structure and stuff. Sad to say that United has no choice over this. He is the best player of this season for us, carry the whole team forward despite all those losses. Without him I think we should be at the bottom half table. Then he remains the most marketable player for United, also the biggest name to attract big players to join us in the future. In a (dark) time like this, his new contract could prove vital for the new season ahead. He is 28, his prime time, and this should be the last time he can ask for these figures (same as Ronaldo did last season with Real). Well, if he continues to perform like he does this season, then I see no reason why not tie him to another 5 years. Moyes can spend £27m on Fellaini so why not extend Rooney's contract? It might turn out to be the best thing Moyes ever did in his time at Old Trafford. tongue.gif
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Yeah 300k per week is astronomical figure, and this might unbalance the team in terms of wage structure and stuff. Sad to say that United has no choice over this. He is the best player of this season for us, carry the whole team forward despite all those losses. Without him I think we should be at the bottom half table. Then he remains the most marketable player for United, also the biggest name to attract big players to join us in the future. In a (dark) time like this, his new contract could prove vital for the new season ahead. He is 28, his prime time, and this should be the last time he can ask for these figures (same as Ronaldo did last season with Real). Well, if he continues to perform like he does this season, then I see no reason why not tie him to another 5 years. Moyes can spend £27m on Fellaini so why not extend Rooney's contract? It might turn out to be the best thing Moyes ever did in his time at Old Trafford. tongue.gif
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^^ collectors item ini sifu long time no come here post liao  laugh.gif
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found this... carrick..
hahah david moyes tak puas ati
i think moyes try to play attacking football but.....
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Moyes should try Kagawa and put him as CM and Jones or Fletcher as DM

While Mata should be as AMF he is not fast enough to be winger.Set the game around Mata as his passing is masterpiece

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David Moyes can cope with a crisis - those who know the Manchester United manager best explain how
Special report: Former players and colleagues say Manchester United manager will meet current predicament with ruthlessness, conviction and innovation.
David Moyes: Special Report: How David Moyes copes with a crisis - by those who know him the best

It was in a meeting room at Houston’s Westin Galleria hotel, in the summer of 2004, when David Moyes crossed a rubicon which turned a managerial crisis into the springboard towards succeeding Sir Alex Ferguson at Manchester United.
The oppressive Texan heat outside the building mirrored the tension within it as Moyes’s Everton squad assembled to be addressed by the Scot.
“Pre-season had started badly,” recalls former Everton midfielder Kevin Kilbane. “We lost at Crewe and Burnley and there was definitely a negative feel about the club because David was under a lot of pressure at the time.

“But we got to Houston, he brought us all together and called a couple of meetings where we were all encouraged to get things off our chest.
“He said he wanted ideas from us and was looking to listen and learn. It was a big change for him because he always had a real intensity about him.
“At the time, he was so hands-on that he would even take the pre-match warm-up on the pitch and be involved in everything, but he took a step back and it worked because Everton finished fourth that season.”
David Weir, the senior player within the Everton squad at the time, admits Moyes had reached a stage where his ‘intensity’ had to change.
“A 5-1 defeat at Manchester City at the end of the 2003-04 season magnified a few of the problems the team was having,” Weir said. “I think it made David realise he had to change some things.

“He was always very intense, but on that trip to Houston, he took his foot off the gas a bit.
“He gave the players a bit more space, little things like allowing us to go to the shopping malls and have more down time, and the players appreciated it.
“From that point on, the players and staff came together a bit more, little barriers came down and everyone was more relaxed because of it.”
Ten years on, Moyes is facing the biggest challenge of his career at United, with the turbulence of Ferguson’s departure borne out by the champions going into Sunday’s fixture against Fulham at Old Trafford languishing in seventh position and already out of both domestic cups.
If Moyes had a problem in Houston, the magnitude of the task he faces at United is on a wholly different level.
However, those who have worked with the 50-year-old when he has wrestled with difficulties at Everton and Preston North End insist he has the credentials, toughness and single-mindedness to drag United back to the top.
“At United, he is in a period of transition and facing something that is 99 per cent bigger than anything he has been involved in before,” Weir said.
“When things aren’t going well, his approach would vary, but it was never difficult to judge his mood. He can’t hide his feelings, but he will not dress over an issue, he will meet it head on.

“He will do things to the nth degree and if things aren’t working, I suspect he will not be able to sleep at night because he is so driven to make things right.
“He is his own man and has always made the decisions. He has his tried and tested methods which have been modified over time, but he will not cut corners.”
David Healy, the Northern Ireland forward who was Moyes‘s £1.5m club record signing at Preston when arriving from United in December 2000, said: “I grew up in Belfast and you just develop a mentality, a toughness, that carries you through when things are hard and David has exactly the same background, coming from Glasgow.
“He has an inner belief. That is what struck me the first time I met him. He definitely has the credentials to tough it out at United and I think his upbringing is part of that.

“He has stepped into big shoes at United, but he doesn’t lack the strength of character required.
“I saw similarities between him and Sir Alex. They share a real desire to be successful and that conviction that they will win.”
Mick Rathbone, the physiotherapist who worked alongside Moyes at Preston and Everton, claimed the manager was ‘like Rain Man’ due to his analytical ability, a man who could assess and deconstruct an opponents tactical plan ‘within minutes.’
At United, Moyes has been criticised for producing one-dimensional football and adopting a cautious approach, but when his Preston team was in the midst of a slump of seven defeats in eight games during the 2000-01 campaign, he responded by going for broke.
“We went to Portsmouth when we were really struggling, but David set us out 4-3-3 with three strikers and really went for it,” recalls Sean Gregan, Moyes’s captain at Preston.
“We won the game 1-0 and went on a winning run that took us the Championship Play-Off Final, so I think that shows he has always been prepared to be bold and go for it.

“Back then, everybody played 4-4-2 and it was just bog standard, but David would talk about all sorts of formations -- the kind that all the top teams are using now.
“He was always ahead of the game. We were in the third tier at Preston in the late-1990s, but even then, he was into nutrition, sports psychology and ProZone. I think we were using ProZone long before anybody else.
“He wasn’t afraid to try different methods. He even took us to Catterick Army Barracks once and had us training with the soldiers -- up at 6am and running in the dark!”

Brian McBride, the United States forward who played under Moyes at Preston and Everton, echoed Gregan’s view of Moyes being a progressive coach.
“He is a guy who wants to learn about new ideas and broaden his horizons and one thing that still stands out is the day my loan spell ended at Preston.” McBride said.
“He could have just seen me off with a handshake, but he asked me to come in for a chat and we spent an hour walking around the training ground, talking about the game and my knowledge of US sports and what they do differently to what I had encountered at Preston.
“David was not afraid to do things differently to the norm, he wants to stay ahead of the game and that morning proved that to me.
“Sure, he will not have dealt with anything of the magnitude he now faces at United and I imagine he will take it all very personally.
“David isn’t the kind of guy who will leave it at the office. If he isn’t with his family, he is just focused on the job, determined to make things better. And he will.”
Despite Moyes’s commitment to new ideas -- he has recruited John Murtough, the Premier League’s head of elite performance, to take charge of the search for new methods at United -- the Glaswegian can also be ‘old-school,’ on and off the pitch.

Local journalists who covered Preston under Moyes referred to his airless office at Deepdale as ‘Hitler’s bunker,’ due to his fearsome persona, with one reporter warned he would ‘never to get anything from me again’ if he published a story about Gregan’s contract.
The story duly ran and Moyes stuck to his word, even berating the journalist for attending a pre-season friendly at nearby Bamber Bridge months later.
Another reporter was surprised to see Moyes turn up on his doorstep, having driven to house, to confront him over an end-of-season review which suggested that the then centre-half’s ‘legs had gone.’

Moyes has since softened his stance with the media, sharing lengthy off-record conversations with reporters during his time at Everton, before taking the United correspondents for dinner in Sydney last summer in a ‘getting-to-know-you’ exercise.
Moyes’s players have also experienced both sides of his persona, with the training ground dressing-downs and then the softer side away from the pitch.
“He suspended me once for an altercation on the training ground,” Gregan said. There was no Twitter or Facebook back then, so it never came out, but even though I was the captain and one of the club’s most saleable assets, he suspended me.

“I was just being chippy with him and over-stepped the boundaries, so he made me walk back from training, for three miles in my boots, and warned the other lads not to give me a lift. They were laughing as they went past, peeping their horns, but I wasn’t.
“It was a Monday and he suspended me for a week, but I went in on the Thursday, apologised to him and that was that.
“He drew a line under it, played me on the Saturday and we moved on to the point that, a few weeks later, he took me out for tea and we just talked football for a couple of hours.
“Then again, he called us all in one Christmas Day and sent us home as soon as we had arrived, just so he could make sure we weren’t eating or drinking too much!
“But make no bones about it, he is made of steel and if he has drop the Van Persies or Rooneys at United, he will do.
“He is having a tough time right now and probably struggling for the first time in his managerial career, but even Jose Mourinho would have found it tough at United this season, so I’m convinced he will get it right.”

Ordering Robin van Persie or Wayne Rooney to march three miles back from training is unlikely to work at United, but regardless of the characters involved, Kilbane believes Moyes can, and will, get the best from Old Trafford’s superstars.
“David saw that Duncan Ferguson was a huge influence in the dressing-room at Everton, particularly on the younger lads like Wayne,” Kilbane said. “So he took him on and challenged him, to the point that Duncan left the club.
“Thomas Gravesen was also high maintenance, on and off the pitch, but David got the best out of him and, in the end, Tommy ended up at Real Madrid.
“He knows how to handle top-class talent and he isn’t afraid to deal with big characters. I’m sure he will be doing that at United.”
McBride, whose loan period at Preston in the 2000-01 season was disrupted by a blood clot problem which sidelined him for weeks, believes his experience of dealing with Moyes emphasised his ability to coax the best out of players.

“He really impressed me,” McBride said. “When I signed for Preston, I didn’t know anybody and I couldn’t play for three months because of a blood clot in my arm, but he looked after me and spoke to me regularly.
“He communicated really well, both on the soccer side and the personal side, and made me feel like he cared about me.
“I saw that repeatedly in his dealings with players, both at Preston and Everton.
“David is not one to shy away from issues and he was always a man who would take on anything in front of him.
“He wasn’t afraid to ask hard questions, but he was a great communicator and he would get his point across, both to deal with the question and to motivate.
“I remember a bad defeat at Selhurst Park and he kept us all locked in the dressing room for an hour.
“Nobody left, and it wasn’t a softly-spoken post-mortem by any means, but it was done with the purpose of putting things right.
“There were some very candid comments made and the guys eventually left the dressing-room thinking it was crazy, but it was actually the opposite because it got us all back in the right frame of mind.

“I thoroughly enjoyed playing for him. He made you work hard, but he also made you better.”


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Not too TLDR...but still TLDR...so TFLDFR...

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/manchesterun...id/4338?cc=4716

In 2003-04, United finished a hefty 15 points behind the unbeaten champions Arsenal. Whilst that Arsene Wenger vintage was certainly one of the greatest teams this country has seen, United’s challenge was unimpressive and certainly below par for the team who had topped the table in the previous season.

The big change at United the summer before had been the departure of David Beckham to Real Madrid. However, it was not only the England captain who departed to the Spanish capital: Ferguson's second-in-command, Carlos Queiroz, was tempted away as manager. The lure of coaching Ronaldo, Figo and Zinedine Zidane was an unmissable opportunity for the man who had been tasked with reshaping United’s tactical approach in Europe.

In 2004-05, Jose Mourinho arrived at Chelsea with Roman Abramovich’s cheque book in hand and set about breaking records in the English top flight. Carlos Queiroz also returned to Manchester and set about rebuilding the team with Ferguson.

Progress was not immediate: United finished third for the second season in succession. It was the club's worst spell for more than a decade and the fans were bemoaning the tactics in the stands. Sound familiar at all?

As the 2005-06 season came to a close, United had shown signs of improvement. They finished as runners-up, only eight points behind an imperious Chelsea, and Queiroz’s work with Cristiano Ronaldo was beginning to bear fruit.

United won the next three titles and capped it all by winning the Champions League again in 2008. By taking the time to rebuild, and having the humility to bring back an old coach, Ferguson found the winning formula again.


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Not too TLDR...but still TLDR...so TFLDFR...

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/manchesterun...id/4338?cc=4716

In 2003-04, United finished a hefty 15 points behind the unbeaten champions Arsenal. Whilst that Arsene Wenger vintage was certainly one of the greatest teams this country has seen, United’s challenge was unimpressive and certainly below par for the team who had topped the table in the previous season.

The big change at United the summer before had been the departure of David Beckham to Real Madrid. However, it was not only the England captain who departed to the Spanish capital: Ferguson's second-in-command, Carlos Queiroz, was tempted away as manager. The lure of coaching Ronaldo, Figo and Zinedine Zidane was an unmissable opportunity for the man who had been tasked with reshaping United’s tactical approach in Europe.

In 2004-05, Jose Mourinho arrived at Chelsea with Roman Abramovich’s cheque book in hand and set about breaking records in the English top flight. Carlos Queiroz also returned to Manchester and set about rebuilding the team with Ferguson.

Progress was not immediate: United finished third for the second season in succession. It was the club's worst spell for more than a decade and the fans were bemoaning the tactics in the stands. Sound familiar at all?

As the 2005-06 season came to a close, United had shown signs of improvement. They finished as runners-up, only eight points behind an imperious Chelsea, and Queiroz’s work with Cristiano Ronaldo was beginning to bear fruit.

United won the next three titles and capped it all by winning the Champions League again in 2008. By taking the time to rebuild, and having the humility to bring back an old coach, Ferguson found the winning formula again.
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I remember that stretch of years. In the EPL we were struggling against Arsenal and their invincibles, then Mourinho joined Chelsea and gave us another serious rival.

In Europe we had a bad time too, 3 years in a row of struggling to make a mark. If memory serves at one point we even went out in the group stages in a group we had expected to qualify from easily. Keane left United on bad terms too.

Very frustrating 3 seasons, it was hard to be optimistic... when Chelsea won the league and added Ballack and Shevchenko (who would have expected him to flop so badly?) to their squad, on paper they looked very intimidating.


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QUOTE(sunblaze @ Feb 17 2014, 12:32 PM)
I remember that stretch of years. In the EPL we were struggling against Arsenal and their invincibles, then Mourinho joined Chelsea and gave us another serious rival.

In Europe we had a bad time too, 3 years in a row of struggling to make a mark. If memory serves at one point we even went out in the group stages in a group we had expected to qualify from easily. Keane left United on bad terms too.

Very frustrating 3 seasons, it was hard to be optimistic... when Chelsea won the league and added Ballack and Shevchenko (who would have expected him to flop so badly?) to their squad, on paper they looked very intimidating.
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I remember those days too. People were saying that Fergie's gone senile. Wasn't that the time people were saying Sack Fergie, Sell Giggs?

Dark times those. Trophyless and people were saying how awesome Chelsea with Mourinho and their superstars looked and how Arsene had his awesome young bloods playing awesome football while United had a mediocre squad grinding out boring football against mediocre teams and then after all that only bought Carrick. People were writing eulogies about a shift in power from Manchester to London. About how it was the end of an era.

Sure times are bad now and it sucks to have all these shitty results. But more than other times, the club needs to rally together now and see things through this dark period. Moyes may or may not be around next season or the season after next even. But the fact is, the club is in transition. Anything related to the old era has gone (as should be). There is and never will be a replacing Fergie and instead, the club is trying to find something new to move forward. Whether Moyes is that man to bring the club forward, who knows? Only time will tell. But still the club needs to move on. I can only look forward to how Moyes will react to this adversity and how the next season will turn out. As for this season, I'm already on the assumption that the club won't make europe. I guess the good thing about that is that this means the club can spend big and not worry about the FFP rules. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(sunblaze @ Feb 17 2014, 12:32 PM)
I remember that stretch of years. In the EPL we were struggling against Arsenal and their invincibles, then Mourinho joined Chelsea and gave us another serious rival.

In Europe we had a bad time too, 3 years in a row of struggling to make a mark. If memory serves at one point we even went out in the group stages in a group we had expected to qualify from easily. Keane left United on bad terms too.

Very frustrating 3 seasons, it was hard to be optimistic... when Chelsea won the league and added Ballack and Shevchenko (who would have expected him to flop so badly?) to their squad, on paper they looked very intimidating.
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It would be great if we could have Meulensteen back. Moyes also wanted him to stay. I just hope they can both agree to a compromise.
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Yup..hope he back also..or maybe quieroz? smile.gif
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Yup..hope he back also..or maybe quieroz? smile.gif
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still better than lying in midtable position.... whistling.gif

oh btw if rene meulensteen is available why not to take him back?
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If he is willing to come back, he would definitely be a very welcome addition.

The question is whether he is willing to come back and work under DM. I got the feeling when he left that he wasn't really keen to work under DM (maybe he felt he was ready for a bigger role and DM bringing in his own people meant that wasn't possible), went to Anzi to be Hiddink's assistant before they went mad, then became manager there and got sacked after a few games. Went to Fulham to be Jol's assistant, then they sacked the manager and made him manager, and AGAIN he got removed after a few games. His pride might be a bit wounded after all this (his radio interview certainly gave that indication).

Some indication that he has a bit of an ego (and given his ability as an assistant I don't blame him), so while his quality as an assistant is not in doubt at all.. his readiness to put pride aside is... unknown tongue.gif



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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Feb 17 2014, 01:54 PM)
It would be great if we could have Meulensteen back. Moyes also wanted him to stay. I just hope they can both agree to a compromise.
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As I mentioned above, the main roadblock is probably that he wants to be the #2 at the club as he was under SAF. I can understand him not wanting/being willing to take a demotion after doing a good job for so long, that's probably why he left in the first place.

DM on the other hand has his own team which he has worked with for years, it would be hard for him to take him in and install him as #2. His own #2 would feel betrayed.

Best chance would be if DM decided he wants 2 people in the #2 role, with equal rank. That would be the only compromise I could see happening, if they're all willing to close one eye.


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Rooney on the brink of signing a new contract, 300k a week. But the question is.. will that change his mind about leaving? Hard to bet on, who knows, next year he might want to leave us again, seems like he's been doing it rather frequent lately. meh
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I think DM had gone really soft with Rooney. He is not the same level with Messi or Ronaldo, not even top scorer in league, why pay that much? In fact current 250K is already too much, what would the other players think ? Fergie was right to give him the cold shoulder last season, this guy is too selfish mad.gif


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i think if he not renew rooney contract.. u think what happen to him?

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Maybe we should take both rene meulensteen and ray wilkins too.
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wazza quality wasnt on goals scored only...his workrate passion desire to work for his team n mate above anybody else belong in the worldclass status...he sacrifice for others to shine n for the team more than anyone ever seen at world stage...tho at times he try to be selfish a lil bit for his career bcos of the contract row ,signing worldclass player such as ozil during saf tenure, play time in ucl game vs real...transfer saga etc...it wud be understandable...on the field he give it all...he put body on the line...he is a football soul to me...there is no me in rooney...its us...we...the team...
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QUOTE(VerdictReview @ Feb 17 2014, 04:08 AM)
Recently I can't stand the way Carrick play. He too negative on attacking and tracking back for defensive really poor.
Moyes should try Kagawa and put him as CM and Jones or Fletcher as DM
While Mata should be as AMF he is not fast enough to be winger.Set the game around Mata as his passing is masterpiece
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Actually if you look at the video clip, Carrick had 3 mates in front of him who were being marked by 4-5 Arsenal players, so it's logical he passed it to Cleverley because he was facing sideway. Then Cleverley actually had a lot space to maneuver (pass to wide right) but chose to back pass again. To me, Cleverley was the most negative minded midfielder we have. He just doesn't hold on to the ball and bring forward play. shakehead.gif

QUOTE(skystrike @ Feb 17 2014, 01:33 PM)
still better than lying in midtable position.... whistling.gif
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Exactly. Even though we didn't win back then but at least we were within Top 3 spot, not 7th. doh.gif

QUOTE(aa1985 @ Feb 17 2014, 02:06 PM)
Yup..hope he back also..or maybe quieroz? smile.gif
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QUOTE(budakhijau @ Feb 17 2014, 03:47 PM)
wazza quality wasnt on goals scored only...his workrate passion desire to work for his team n mate above anybody else belong in the worldclass status...he sacrifice for others to shine n for the team more than anyone ever seen at world stage...tho at times he try to be selfish a lil bit for his career bcos of the contract row ,signing worldclass player such as ozil during saf tenure, play time in ucl game vs real...transfer saga etc...it wud be understandable...on the field he give it all...he put body on the line...he is a football soul to me...there is no me in rooney...its us...we...the team...
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Agree much. Rooney is that type of player that suits the United's "Never Say Die" spirit. He hates losing, more than anybody else. Even though his off-the-field antics are questionable especially the transfer request, but you couldn't doubt his commitment on the pitch when wearing a United shirt. He just gave it all, even during this down period when other players just sort of "gave up" the fighting spirit. If Rooney leaves in the summer, whoever is in charge will take even longer time to rebuild this team because he will need to find another core of the team. cool2.gif
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QUOTE(Reon @ Feb 17 2014, 05:03 PM)
Agree much. Rooney is that type of player that suits the United's "Never Say Die" spirit. He hates losing, more than anybody else. Even though his off-the-field antics are questionable especially the transfer request, but you couldn't doubt his commitment on the pitch when wearing a United shirt. He just gave it all, even during this down period when other players just sort of "gave up" the fighting spirit. If Rooney leaves in the summer, whoever is in charge will take even longer time to rebuild this team because he will need to find another core of the team.  cool2.gif
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actually...for me...jonesy is next in line for wazza throne...so we will be fine for decades i guess given all the route gone well in time n place...rooney gonna lead this current lads to moyes revolution...life after saf...they gonna hit new height...i let moyes hav his 6 years n then we will see where it bring...by then rooney pon dah retired kot...ahahaha...
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QUOTE(budakhijau @ Feb 17 2014, 12:07 PM)
Not too TLDR...but still TLDR...so TFLDFR...

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/manchesterun...id/4338?cc=4716

In 2003-04, United finished a hefty 15 points behind the unbeaten champions Arsenal. Whilst that Arsene Wenger vintage was certainly one of the greatest teams this country has seen, United’s challenge was unimpressive and certainly below par for the team who had topped the table in the previous season.

The big change at United the summer before had been the departure of David Beckham to Real Madrid. However, it was not only the England captain who departed to the Spanish capital: Ferguson's second-in-command, Carlos Queiroz, was tempted away as manager. The lure of coaching Ronaldo, Figo and Zinedine Zidane was an unmissable opportunity for the man who had been tasked with reshaping United’s tactical approach in Europe.

In 2004-05, Jose Mourinho arrived at Chelsea with Roman Abramovich’s cheque book in hand and set about breaking records in the English top flight. Carlos Queiroz also returned to Manchester and set about rebuilding the team with Ferguson.

Progress was not immediate: United finished third for the second season in succession. It was the club's worst spell for more than a decade and the fans were bemoaning the tactics in the stands. Sound familiar at all?

As the 2005-06 season came to a close, United had shown signs of improvement. They finished as runners-up, only eight points behind an imperious Chelsea, and Queiroz’s work with Cristiano Ronaldo was beginning to bear fruit.

United won the next three titles and capped it all by winning the Champions League again in 2008. By taking the time to rebuild, and having the humility to bring back an old coach, Ferguson found the winning formula again.
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i didn't cry on SAF or his tactic that time. mourinho is just too good that time, and no one really know how to beat him. fair to say, he brought epl to a different lvl. but at least we don't get completely beaten by chelsea that time.

this season we got completely steamrolled by city, chelsea even liverpool. nearly join moyesout bandwagon, but still not yet, though i join everyone in condemning his tactic and selections smile.gif if results is like now next season, even if you don't shout moyesout, don't think glazier will sit and do nothing. they just can't afford to lose another ucl spot for another season.

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Yeah 300k per week is astronomical figure, and this might unbalance the team in terms of wage structure and stuff. Sad to say that United has no choice over this. He is the best player of this season for us, carry the whole team forward despite all those losses. Without him I think we should be at the bottom half table. Then he remains the most marketable player for United, also the biggest name to attract big players to join us in the future. In a (dark) time like this, his new contract could prove vital for the new season ahead. He is 28, his prime time, and this should be the last time he can ask for these figures (same as Ronaldo did last season with Real). Well, if he continues to perform like he does this season, then I see no reason why not tie him to another 5 years. Moyes can spend £27m on Fellaini so why not extend Rooney's contract? It might turn out to be the best thing Moyes ever did in his time at Old Trafford. tongue.gif
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Moyes must be proud. If he can stay on until Rooney retires, he will be the only manager who gave him a debut at 16 years old and watch him retire tongue.gif That is only he can stay that long laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Reon @ Feb 17 2014, 05:03 PM)
Actually if you look at the video clip, Carrick had 3 mates in front of him who were being marked by 4-5 Arsenal players, so it's logical he passed it to Cleverley because he was facing sideway. Then Cleverley actually had a lot space to maneuver (pass to wide right) but chose to back pass again. To me, Cleverley was the most negative minded midfielder we have. He just doesn't hold on to the ball and bring forward play. shakehead.gif
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I miss theold Cleverley vs Man City during the Community Shield.


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with anderson out, expect clev to play more attacking next season

i dunno abt you ppl but i happy with how clev played right now. more continental in approach.
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Hope Rooney stays. Play him as the striker rather than the No.10. He is not that clever or tricky enough to be that. He does other things well though, in which he is

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Ando-Cleverly combo,sadly, it only lasted on short period of time.

How I wish to watch Man Utd play a beautiful game like that. However, Man Utd is not like that. we play ugly and yet we win.
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Look at the team's off the ball movements, and they were trying to play through the middle as well.

Compared to nowadays, almost everyone stand in line with opponent's defensive line when the CM received the ball. Look at the space between carrick and the attacking players... Even when they decided to move, it is at walking pace. As if they are zombies.

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QUOTE(oli-78 @ Feb 18 2014, 02:24 AM)
Ando-Cleverly combo,sadly, it only lasted on short period of time.

How I wish to watch Man Utd play a beautiful game like that. However, Man Utd is not like that. we play ugly and yet we win.
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the partnership broke up so soon due to injuries.it was nice combination but at the same time didn't offer much defensive wise (evidence :the mauling of 1-6 at home by noisy neighbour; no carrick at the time, early bath of evans and ando-clev couldn't step in that game)


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kinda football treats to watch City-Barca, Arsenal-Bayern.. all 4 teams known for their excellent attacking game. although i always have bitter feeling towards City and Arsenal, weirdly i would love an upsets.

hope for goals galore and dont make me sleepy in early morning.. i rarely stay awake if im watching football in 'neutral' mode..
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QUOTE(fas29 @ Feb 17 2014, 09:22 PM)
I miss theold Cleverley vs Man City during the Community Shield.


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Dat Nani goal, very hnnnnggghhh, because it was a built up play, smooth tricky pass and end with a beautiful lob goal  drool.gif
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Yea, remember seeing it at the time and going whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Then shortly after that Bolton striker injured Cleverley with a tackle, and ever since then he hasn't hit the same heights.

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Ruud van Nistelrooy believes that both Edison Cavani and Radamel Falcao would be ‘great additions’ to Van Nistelrooyhester United in the summer.

Both players are prolific goalscorers and Van Nistelrooy knows a thing or two about scoring goals having netted 150 in just 219 appearances in his time at United.

There may be bigger priorities in defence and midfield but those same priorities existed when Robin van Persie joined in 2012 and when asked about Cavani in an interview with Canal+ France, Van Nistelrooy insisted that United needed more than Rooney and Van Persie if they wanted to win the Premier League.

He said: ”I think he [Cavani] is a very good player and can be a great addition but he also signed for Paris St Germain recently so he won’t be cheap.

“There’s also Falcao maybe as an option as a pure No. 9 to score goals.

“I think alongside Robin van Persie and Wayne Rooney, you need more than two top class strikers in your squad.

“With Nani and Valencia, they have wingers who can put crosses in the box and in the midfield, they have Rooney to get a striker in position.

“I think if you sign a good finisher, it can give you 20 or 30 goals a season and that helps you to be at the top of the Premier League.”

Welbeck or Hernandez fans won’t be happy at Van Nistelrooy‘s dismissal of their credentials as a top class striker but few could argue the toss that Cavani or Falcao would be an unbelievable and luxurious addition to the squad.
It would be strange for David Moyes to make a marquee striker signing when the problems in other areas are too large to ignore but stranger things have happened.


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Look at the team's off the ball movements, and they were trying to play through the middle as well.

Compared to nowadays, almost everyone stand in line with opponent's defensive line when the CM received the ball. Look at the space between carrick and the attacking players... Even when they decided to move, it is at walking pace. As if they are zombies.
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That was a one off. United rarely play like that. It offered a lot in attack, but left the team exposed defensively and the fast pace meant a lot of late tackles which meant United had I think 11 players injured at the same time by mid season, IINM.
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That was a one off. United rarely play like that. It offered a lot in attack, but left the team exposed defensively and the fast pace meant a lot of late tackles which meant United had I think 11 players injured at the same time by mid season, IINM.
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We were playing beautiful fast pace football and scored quite a lot of goals as well, but we were leaking goals at the same time. After we got hammered 6 - 1 by Man City, injuries etc, SAF decided to revert back to wingplay and counter attack. Maybe it was due to us being too gung ho laugh.gif . However, the intention to play pass and move football was there. As a result of that, SAF brought in Kagawa and intended to move Rooney to CM.

Now, it's all gone. It is not like I wanted us to play tiki taka or something fancy, but at least play a combination of some. We are being too one dimensional and it hurts to see the way we play now considering the variety of players we have.
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We were playing beautiful fast pace football and scored quite a lot of goals as well, but we were leaking goals at the same time. After we got hammered 6 - 1 by Man City, injuries etc, SAF decided to revert back to wingplay and counter attack. Maybe it was due to us being too gung ho  laugh.gif . However, the intention to play pass and move football was there. As a result of that,  SAF brought in Kagawa and intended to move Rooney to CM.

Now, it's all gone. It is not like I wanted us to play tiki taka or something fancy, but at least play a combination of some. We are being too one dimensional and it hurts to see the way we play now considering the variety of players we have.
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Yeah.. even arsenal was no match to the all mighty one touch football we played during that time.. after that 6 - 1... changed totally...
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Yeah.. even arsenal was no match to the all mighty one touch football we played during that time.. after that 6 - 1... changed totally...
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Yea... With Clev and Ando being injured, we did not have the players to play like that, thus SAF changed to adapt.

Now, people talk about how this squad is long overdue and all. Seriously, this is the same squad that bossed Mourinho's Real Madrid up until Nani's red card. And we did it with Rooney on the bench at OT. How the heck that very same squad can regressed to current sorry state? And people are talking about letting Moyes spend big money to bring in the talent he want and rebuild the whole squad... rclxub.gif
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Yea... With Clev and Ando being injured, we did not have the players to play like that, thus SAF changed to adapt.

Now, people talk about how this squad is long overdue and all. Seriously, this is the same squad that bossed Mourinho's Real Madrid up until Nani's red card. And we did it with Rooney on the bench at OT. How the heck that very same squad can regressed to current sorry state? And people are talking about letting Moyes spend big money to bring in the talent he want and rebuild the whole squad... rclxub.gif
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Even mourinho comes... he will struggle as well.. How much money has mourinho spent in order to get his success? Compare to moyes in everton which he build from scratch turning everton to a stable club which now roberto martinez is able to enjoy..

The problem with United squad at the moment is trust and confidence.. they do not fully trust moyes at the moment because of his reputation in the trophy department. This united squad is just too used to Sir Alex influences. So moyes needs to build his reputation and the players need to trust him and help him. About the rebuilding part, probably now he is trying to let go players who does not believe in him.. That is where he stamp his authority..

If moyes wins the champs league it will skyrocket his CV and reputation. I think he should go for it.. but on the other hand it is extremely super duper difficult almost impossible with our current state.. but it will be easier than reaching top 4 because I think liverpool had already book that place.. unlikely they are gonna throw that away..unless suddenly the go on a losing spree... or suddenly all their key players go injured for a long time.. safe to say the place is already taken..

So logically speaking we should be desperately wanting to win the CL more than anything else as it will be the most realistic yet delusional expectation.
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Even mourinho comes... he will struggle as well.. How much money has mourinho spent in order to get his success? Compare to moyes in everton which he build from scratch turning everton to a stable club which now roberto martinez is able to enjoy..

The problem with United squad at the moment is trust and confidence.. they do not fully trust moyes at the moment because of his reputation in the trophy department. This united squad is just too used to Sir Alex influences. So moyes needs to build his reputation and the players need to trust him and help him. About the rebuilding part, probably now he is trying to let go players who does not believe in him..  That is where he stamp his authority..

If moyes wins the champs league it will skyrocket his CV and reputation. I think he should go for it.. but on the other hand it is extremely super duper difficult almost impossible with our current state.. but it will be easier than reaching top 4 because I think liverpool had already book that place.. unlikely they are gonna throw that away..unless suddenly the go on a losing spree... or suddenly all their key players go injured for a long time.. safe to say the place is already taken..

So logically speaking we should be desperately wanting to win the CL more than anything else as it will be the most realistic yet delusional expectation.
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Roberto Martinez built the foundation for Swansea as well before Brendan Rodger took over. I agreed Moyes did a great job at Everton. No doubt about that. However, even Everton fans admit Moyes' football peaked 3-4 years ago. They kind of stagnated since then.

This is an interesting post on Reddit by an Everton supporter:

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This is his recent post to answer some question by a Man Utd fan
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Roberto Martinez built the foundation for Swansea as well before Brendan Rodger took over. I agreed Moyes did a great job at Everton. No doubt about that. However, even Everton fans admit Moyes' football peaked 3-4 years ago. They kind of stagnated since then.

This is an interesting post on Reddit by an Everton supporter:

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This is his recent post to answer some question by a Man Utd fan
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Why do you care what those people think? They speak like they know how to manage a football club. If the job is that simple everyone should be a manager then maybe I should be a manager also sign messi. Fans speak like they know everything about football with no basis or hands on experience in this department.

Why not mourinho? its probably because the club doesn't trust him because of his attitude and the way he manages which doesn't bring long term assurance to the club which what we are building for.

Why not martinez? Did he did a good enough job to deserve to be a United boss? Maybe not good enough?

Why not jurgen klopp? Probably not available or United is just not interested in him

Why moyes? 11 years at club brought stability.. long term assurance.. martinez? wigan got relegated under him so is he stable? just because everton is playing well at the moment everton fans worshiping martinez forget about Moyes contribution.

and don't forget Premier league is a very difficult league.. We have like Man Utd, arsenal, liverpool, Chelsea, Man City even tottenham could challenge for the cl place.. La liga, german league what???

So basically moyes is the most suitable manager at that time.. Unless United is looking for short term success we can hire mourinho.. I would give moyes time until next season.. blaming everything on moyes is just unfair... the players all has to take the blame as well as they were paid freaking lots of money to do something they love.. that is to play their best football..

I also like everyone pulling my hair due to his "amazing tactics".. and want moyes out...but in the end even if I keep moyes out he also won't go out.. so I should just enjoy the moment and see what else moyes can offer.. Well I'm expecting harder times.. GGMU




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It is only an analysis by an Everton fan who constantly follow his club. Nobody said Martinez is so much better or anything; Martinez weakness is his his team always build up play from defender and does not hoof the ball even when they are in danger of losing the ball at their own penalty area laugh.gif . It was a list of pros and cons. I agreed that if one watches a lot, does not mean he/she can do it, but that doesn't mean he/she can't understand the subject and gives some suggestions, right?

What is more worrying is that even a football fan could see through his tactic and coach like Rene mentioned Moyes' tactic is very predictable. The Everton fan's post comparing his tenure at Everton hits all its mark. But, some of the good signs are his handling of Rooney's matter and Ashley Young actually improved (he should be considering how much time Young was given) and cleared out the deadwood. However, 9 months into his job and I can't see any progress or a glimpse of the becoming of a great manager football wise.

I supported Moyes' appointment at first and believed he will come good but his performance so far suggests otherwise. If players are not performing, isn't it the job of the manager to make sure they do? If players are able to grind out results on their own, why need a manager?

Yes, of course EPL is a very difficult league but that does not mean Liga and Bundesliga are below EPL. Remember we got spanked by a certain Bilbao not too long ago? And they finished 8th at La Liga that season iinm. Technically, EPL is far behind Spain and German leagues.

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but...but..but...

roon + rvp + cavani + falcao.

fuh!!!!!
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QUOTE(projectnew @ Feb 18 2014, 10:00 PM)
Even mourinho comes... he will struggle as well.. How much money has mourinho spent in order to get his success? Compare to moyes in everton which he build from scratch turning everton to a stable club which now roberto martinez is able to enjoy..

The problem with United squad at the moment is trust and confidence.. they do not fully trust moyes at the moment because of his reputation in the trophy department. This united squad is just too used to Sir Alex influences. So moyes needs to build his reputation and the players need to trust him and help him. About the rebuilding part, probably now he is trying to let go players who does not believe in him..  That is where he stamp his authority..

If moyes wins the champs league it will skyrocket his CV and reputation. I think he should go for it.. but on the other hand it is extremely super duper difficult almost impossible with our current state.. but it will be easier than reaching top 4 because I think liverpool had already book that place.. unlikely they are gonna throw that away..unless suddenly the go on a losing spree... or suddenly all their key players go injured for a long time.. safe to say the place is already taken..

So logically speaking we should be desperately wanting to win the CL more than anything else as it will be the most realistic yet delusional expectation.
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TRUST n CONFIDENCE exactly my sentiment...SAF ciao...surely the lads hav to adept life without fatherfigure...he's been there like forever...moyes yet to get full trust from his team...some respond well to him...mostly young player...wayne jones etc...older player like rio vida evra seem shock...its understandable...deswai he offer rene a position to keep that transition minimal as he know how to deal with older lads...talk to them to smooth things...but he chose to go...the older lads more harder to blend into moyes bcos too long under SAF n theyre at the end of their career...but their quality professionalism desire is top class like moyes always said...theyre too comfort under SAF...they know how to react to SAF...given next season...if the likes of evra vida or even rio or giggsy pledge to continue...i bet they will respond well to moyes...they just need time to grow mature into their relationship...look at distin at everton...he still play under moyes before n now under martinez even his is not young oso...close to rio age maybe...if moyes can manage evra vida rio giggsy that way...our wealthy experience gonna be huge in the dressing room...yup i get it most of their time is up...but still i just hope they play forever...i miss scholesy in action...even his body couldnt cope top flight football anymore...but i just luv his gameplay...i bet i gonna miss vida warrior-ness, rio's calmness n comfort on the ball, evra bombing forward n run back down with a clap n smile...its so romanticly luvly...i just luv our team...yeah im gay...lol...

back to trust n confidence...it is most easily to see it in clev n carrick...things just didnt click atm...the movement n touches n turn...it will get there soon...deswai that one off game tikitaka clev n ando excel like we claim exciting fast attacking move goes so smooth...that time the confidence is superb high...now with the new manager come in...its mix up of everything but is under control...the player workhard like moyes said to get n make things right...the did all the right thing to respond...just like mata said football is cruel sometimes...bloodyhell as saf claim...we even got rob 30 second from title to city prev 2 season...so its a process...ongoing moving forward to improvised n improved to get better n push the height we hav been...

QUOTE(pundex @ Feb 18 2014, 10:29 PM)
Roberto Martinez built the foundation for Swansea as well before Brendan Rodger took over. I agreed Moyes did a great job at Everton. No doubt about that. However, even Everton fans admit Moyes' football peaked 3-4 years ago. They kind of stagnated since then.

This is an interesting post on Reddit by an Everton supporter:

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This is his recent post to answer some question by a Man Utd fan
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QUOTE(projectnew @ Feb 18 2014, 11:41 PM)
Why do you care what those people think? They speak like they know how to manage a football club. If the job is that simple everyone should be a manager then maybe I should be a manager also sign messi. Fans speak like they know everything about football with no basis or hands on experience in this department.

Why not mourinho? its probably because the club doesn't trust him because of his attitude and the way he manages which doesn't bring long term assurance to the club which what we are building for.

Why not martinez? Did he did a good enough job to deserve to be a United boss? Maybe not good enough?

Why not jurgen klopp? Probably not available or United is just not interested in him

Why moyes? 11 years at club brought stability.. long term assurance.. martinez? wigan got relegated under him so is he stable? just because everton is playing well at the moment everton fans worshiping martinez forget about Moyes contribution.

and don't forget Premier league is a very difficult league.. We have like Man Utd, arsenal, liverpool, Chelsea, Man City even tottenham could challenge for the cl place.. La liga, german league what???

So basically moyes is the most suitable manager at that time.. Unless United is looking for short term success we can hire mourinho.. I would give moyes time until next season.. blaming everything on moyes is just unfair... the players all has to take the blame as well as they were paid freaking lots of money to do something they love.. that is to play their best football..

I also like everyone pulling my hair due to his "amazing tactics".. and want moyes out...but in the end even if I keep moyes out he also won't go out.. so I should just enjoy the moment and see what else moyes can offer.. Well I'm expecting harder times.. GGMU
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when SAF retired n pick moyes as the chosen one...tho at that time i was hoping we can get mou...suddenly it gives me a calmness n stability feeling it will turn out fine...we r in a safe hand...moyes everton been knocking top 4 door for a while...with limited budget...he linger around the 6th-7th place with the likes of pool spurs for quite sometime...n that time...i hate when we met moyes team...they r sort like giant killer...i like the way his football there as well...yup its straight forward text book predictable...but its how football shud be play to me...simple team game with limited budget wud play n perform to get result...its just the mata of time we get it right...mata said in dubai training...all the lads work hard to get in a pattern...mata is a brilliant intelligent adeptable player...he surely held high regard of moyes work...tho some will argue he is playing out of position...but during games i didnt see him hugging the lines...he is floating...this type of player is harder to play against if u give him free role...wayne also...u need a player to man mark him every where he go...jones excel in that marking role tho he has some blunder...he need to man mark a danger player while he is not in the alarming position to do damage...he need to be zonal...

the pattern isnt yet connecting...81 crosses says it all for me...soon they r connecting...then we will see what the team r trying to bring to our traditional wing play...in the 2nd half vs fulham...look at wayne closely...he is less time on the ball but often...simple one two touch...that how he shud play in the middle when dropping in...he will get used to it with mata soon...6 passes to rvp only...media always exelerate things...rvp is draging the line...heitinga on his toe all day...he pulls defender away...to open some space in the middle crowd...the only thing i wanna see now is shot on target...all outfield player shud take 1 shot per half...on target...finish it off every attacking move...30 yards out...go for the kill...so at least we can hav 20 shot on target per game if everyone hav a go 1 shot in each half...luckily if chica is there for rebound...we will go rampant...

QUOTE(pundex @ Feb 19 2014, 12:44 AM)
It is only an analysis by an Everton fan who constantly follow his club. Nobody said Martinez is so much better or anything; Martinez weakness is his his team always build up play from defender and does not hoof the ball even when they are in danger of losing the ball at their own penalty area laugh.gif . It was a list of pros and cons. I agreed that if one watches a lot, does not mean he/she can do it, but that doesn't mean he/she can't understand the subject and gives some suggestions, right?

What is more worrying is that even a football fan could see through his tactic and coach like Rene mentioned Moyes' tactic is very predictable. The Everton fan's post comparing his tenure at Everton hits all its mark. But, some of the good signs are his handling of Rooney's matter and Ashley Young actually improved (he should be considering how much time Young was given) and cleared out the deadwood. However, 9 months into his job and I can't see any progress or a glimpse of the becoming of a great manager football wise.

I supported Moyes' appointment at first and believed he will come good but his performance so far suggests otherwise. If players are not performing, isn't it the job of the manager to make sure they do? If players are able to grind out results on their own, why need a manager?

Yes, of course EPL is a very difficult league but that does not mean Liga and Bundesliga are below EPL. Remember we got spanked by a certain Bilbao not too long ago? And they finished 8th at La Liga that season iinm. Technically, EPL is far behind Spain and German leagues.
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Didnt mean to troll but, reading this forum really make me dizzy.. all so long.. like an essay or something..
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QUOTE(sinoffire @ Feb 18 2014, 05:06 PM)
SOS?

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but...but..but...

roon + rvp + cavani + falcao.

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Didnt mean to troll but, reading this forum really make me dizzy.. all so long.. like an essay or something..
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Does anyone think that at 300K GBP a week is too much for wayne rooney. I think Man Utd should just let him go. He is a stumbling block in the club and causes disharmony. If we pay him 300K GBP a week it feels like finally a player is bigger than a club.
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Does anyone think that at 300K GBP a week is too much for wayne rooney. I think Man Utd should just let him go. He is a stumbling block in the club and causes disharmony. If we pay him 300K GBP a week it feels like finally a player is bigger than a club.
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yeah i also think 300k per week is too much...if SAF still at helm he will never allow it to happen...but who know what happen in future...just wait n see...
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Does anyone think that at 300K GBP a week is too much for wayne rooney. I think Man Utd should just let him go. He is a stumbling block in the club and causes disharmony. If we pay him 300K GBP a week it feels like finally a player is bigger than a club.
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IMO 300K per week is a little too much and his reluctance to move to CM role where he can be more influential, does not help either. I hope he stays but I can't see why we should pay over the odds to make it happen.
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IMO 300K per week is a little too much and his reluctance to move to CM role where he can be more influential, does not help either. I hope he stays but I can't see why we should pay over the odds to make it happen.
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Goal by Toni Kroos!!!Ops, we still not buy Toni Kroos tongue.gif
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lol aikz , Man City red card Arsenal oso ar ?
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toni kross looks very yummy.. some similarity to the old scholes.
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Martinez and Thiago are more cultured compare to Kroos. Kroos playing more simple and direct football, but yet more effective.

he still negotiating new contract right? he kinda my summer dream signing, but playing for world best team and being most important player (by this season statistic), Old Trafford are distant choice.
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kroos played extremely well.

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kroos played extremely well.

hopefully the rumor is true tongue.gif
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kroos played extremely well.

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and then he will be given the freedom to send in more crosses in a match tongue.gif
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this morning match, 150+ passes, 97% accuracy yo
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...ches-Toni-Kroos

kroos makes 147! passes in the games drool.gif

he can be our much improved carrick/cleverley type of player.. great mover of the ball but with much forward or ambitious passes
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He'll probably sign a new contract IF money is the issue. No way bayern will let him go , even if he wants to leave , he'll be looking for a club with CL , good pay and 1st team football.
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QUOTE(dundermifflin @ Feb 20 2014, 07:32 AM)
Martinez and Thiago are more cultured compare to Kroos. Kroos playing more simple and direct football, but yet more effective.

he still negotiating new contract right? he kinda my summer dream signing, but playing for world best team and being most important player (by this season statistic), Old Trafford are distant choice.
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Sadly that's true. Most FM addicts here dream choice. But unlikely to happen. Most likely he was using United as leverage in negotiations and will only consider United if contract talks breakdown. And that oso depends whether other big boys compete or not.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...ches-Toni-Kroos

kroos makes 147! passes in the games  drool.gif

he can be our much improved carrick/cleverley type of player.. great mover of the ball but with much forward or ambitious passes
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why are we comparing world class player like toni kroos to the likes of cleverley... not even close baby..
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Seriously, what's going on between Pool and Arsenal thread? Argue there and here. Just this season compete with each other for the title already like that. Imagine few more years sweat.gif
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Seriously, what's going on between Pool and Arsenal thread? Argue there and here. Just this season compete with each other for the title already like that. Imagine few more years  sweat.gif
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Mencari kawan baru bro  wink.gif
Korang all sudah senyap. What to do.

If you read the news ada 'mole' dalam Bayern..  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Feb 20 2014, 12:15 PM)
Sadly that's true. Most FM addicts here dream choice. But unlikely to happen. Most likely he was using United as leverage in negotiations and will only consider United if contract talks breakdown. And that oso depends whether other big boys compete or not.
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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Feb 20 2014, 01:56 PM)
Seriously, what's going on between Pool and Arsenal thread? Argue there and here. Just this season compete with each other for the title already like that. Imagine few more years  sweat.gif
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cos we're not title contender edi mah...our throne at "most hated club in BPL' oledi dropped riao. brows.gif brows.gif

helo midtable team, gud afternen. wave.gif
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If Kross masuk MU, Idk what will happen. He is just superb!
Btw did you guys get Rooney to sign the contract yet? I heard a done deal but then heard otherwise..
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keyword found. i won't even look at those flers in FM. got better, cheapo options elsewhere.  tongue.gif besides, i hate fc horiwud. meh.
cos we're not title contender edi mah...our throne at "most hated club in BPL' oledi dropped riao.  brows.gif  brows.gif

helo midtable team, gud afternen. wave.gif
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why are we comparing world class player like toni kroos to the likes of cleverley... not even close baby..
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Sadly that's true. Most FM addicts here dream choice. But unlikely to happen. Most likely he was using United as leverage in negotiations and will only consider United if contract talks breakdown. And that oso depends whether other big boys compete or not.
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Sounds pretty similar to Wayne Rooney with Chelsea brows.gif
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Manchester United youngster Davide Petrucci is still hopeful of breaking into the first-team at Old Trafford.

The Italian is highly-rated within the corridors of power at Old Trafford, but has yet to make his debut for the first team.

Petrucci has had two loan spells away from United, but his stint at Royal Antwerp was cut short in January, while he only made three appearances during a stint at Peterborough.

The talented midfielder admits it is his dream to establish himself as a regular in David Moyes' plans at Old Trafford.

"Obviously it's still a dream for me to play here. I've never really had the chance. I hope one day that I am given a chance to show if I can do something or not," Petrucci told the club's official website.

"I think if you are given an opportunity to show what you can do, it's down to you. Many young players have a chance and some take it while some don't. I never really had one. I hope one day that I do get it."

The 22-year-old also admits he would be willing to go out on loan again in a bid to get some match action under his belt.

"It's always good to be back here but, for me, I am at an age where another loan would be good and a move somewhere else to play first-team football," added Petrucci.

"For the moment, I'm here and will see what happens next."


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where is Kagawa now? Injured? I dont think so.. He should started all the games Young had this season!
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watching krooss goal, remind me we don't have player tembak from middle since scholes and ronaldo. we always bring to middle pass to side. it would be fun if 50% of middle possession went to shooting

in fact many epl team doesnt shoot from middle nowadays
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wonder if i shud take leave on 26Mar..... hmm.gif but takut kena thrashed ler....
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You mean the United vs City game?
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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Feb 20 2014, 10:35 PM)
watching krooss goal, remind me we don't have player tembak from middle since scholes and ronaldo. we always bring to middle pass to side. it would be fun if 50% of middle possession went to shooting

in fact many epl team doesnt shoot from middle nowadays
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It's on 25th mar ... tongue.gif

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We have Young.  brows.gif  brows.gif
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Wayne Rooney: Man Utd striker agrees new £300k per week deal

Manchester United striker Wayne Rooney has agreed a new five-and-a-half year contract worth up to £300,000 a week.

The 28-year-old England international will extend his current contract by four years, tying him to the club until June 2019.

His old deal, which would have expired next year, paid up to £250,000 a week.

Rooney joined United from Everton in August 2004 and is only 42 goals shy of passing Bobby Charlton's record total of 249 for United.

The former Everton forward has taken 430 games in all competitions to score his 208 goals for the Red Devils.

The club have yet to formally announce the contract.

Rooney had looked set to leave Old Trafford last summer after former United manager Alex Ferguson claimed he had asked for a transfer - something the player denied.

Chelsea had more than one bid for him rejected but new boss David Moyes insisted he wanted to keep his former Everton player at Old Trafford.

It seems likely that next season will be Rooney's first out of the Champions League since his move from Goodison Park 10 years ago.

The Red Devils are 11 points off the top four, although they could still qualify by winning this season's tournament.

Rooney, who returned to first-team action at the end of January after nearly a month out with an injury, has made 28 club appearances this season and scored 11 goals.


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^ dun conjob la alien....not yet sign lar...pending some imej right bollox lar.... tongue.gif
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Hence it was stated "agreed" contract..... not "signed" contract tongue.gif

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Carlos Queiroz has urged Manchester United to hold firm to their principles and show faith in under-fire manager David Moyes.

Sir Alex Ferguson's former Old Trafford assistant believes sacking the struggling manager would be directly opposed to the fabric of the club.

Queiroz, who spent years as Ferguson's right-hand man over two spells, claims the foundation of moral values at United must remain intact, despite the present turmoil.

Under the tutelage of Moyes, United find themselves languishing seventh in the Premier League standings but Queiroz believes the former Everton manager will be given plenty of time to adapt.

"The success of Manchester United was based on a couple of principles," he told the Daily Mirror.

"The first was it had a good foundation of consistency, continuity, trust and confidence.

"The other thing I learned was the club had a strong belief with the people who work there, they trust themselves."

Just two wins in their last six outings has seen United drop 15 points behind league leaders Chelsea but the Iran national-team coach expects Moyes will find light at the end of the tunnel.

"I want to believe it's just a tough time at the moment and soon we will see the United everyone expects," he added.

"Moyes deserved the chance. It wasn't a decision which fell out of the sky. It was a decision that came from a lot of mature thought and reflections.

"He was a manager Sir Alex and I respected when we worked together."


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hell vidic first game as Inter player might be against us heheh

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• United to play AS Roma and Inter Milan during the club’s Tour 2014, presented by Aon

Manchester United has today announced that the team will play AS Roma and Inter Milan during the club’s Tour 2014, presented by Aon.

United will play AS Roma at Denver’s Sports Authority Field on Saturday 26 July, before travelling to Washington DC to face Inter Milan at the FedEx Field on Tuesday 29 July.

These matches will be part of the 2014 International Champions Cup. Details about United’s additional matches for Tour 2014, presented by Aon, will be announced in due course.


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rooney confirmed signed new contract already....from his official fb...

https://www.facebook.com/WayneRooney/photos...?type=1&theater
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so happy wayne decides to stay with us (albeit expensive but can't deny he gave 100% on the pitch) and this should be the last tantrum of his career.

feels like a new signing.bring on palace

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good lah rooney wanna extend his contract even though he knows there's a good chance we might not be able to play for UCL.

maybe he was being reassured by moyes that he will bring big names players next season? brows.gif
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300k really is a lot.. esp for a 30+ yrs old player few yrs in future..

happy to see rooney sign a new deal but seriously i doubt SAF would hv done the same.. for a club like united statue wt rich history and success money should not be the motivation. if it club like city or anzhi ke xpela..

wt the news being widely publicise.. other player sure jelly then asking more money esp if we going to sign a new big star player

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David moyes play crossing game get 75% possession 81 record breaking crosses whole world hates him..

Pep Guardiola play boring possession football passing sideways passing back to defender passing to keeper.. No one hates him... but calls it beautiful football..
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QUOTE(onepack @ Feb 22 2014, 12:38 PM)
300k really is a lot.. esp for a 30+ yrs old player few yrs in future..

happy to see rooney sign a new deal but seriously i doubt SAF would hv done the same.. for a club like united statue wt rich history and success money should not be the motivation. if it club like city or anzhi ke xpela..

wt the news being widely publicise.. other player sure jelly then asking more money esp if we going to sign a new big star player
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300k x 55% = 165k <--- that is what he is gonna get...

cristiano ronaldo approximately earn 355k pounds x 75% = 266k

100k difference bro =D
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QUOTE(projectnew @ Feb 22 2014, 05:12 PM)
David moyes play crossing game get 75% possession 81 record breaking crosses whole world hates him..

Pep Guardiola play boring possession football passing sideways passing back to defender passing to keeper.. No one hates him... but calls it beautiful football..
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bayern v barcelona 7 - 0 results matter I agree..

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Also, you're comparing CL results between big clubs.

Our stat was versus.. Fulham. If we pulled the same stats vs a big club DM would probably get a LOT of credit.
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No matter. We don't have time to dwell on the past and we shall not dwell on the past.

Although we won't forget about our roots, the history, the Munich air disaster, legacy of the Busby Babes and Sir Matt, legacy of Sir Alex Ferguson and a lot more, we shall look forward, look ahead and still keep on standing behind the club. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(sunblaze @ Feb 22 2014, 06:04 PM)
If you're insinuating something then you might wanna state it more clearly  tongue.gif

Also, you're comparing CL results between big clubs.

Our stat was versus.. Fulham. If we pulled the same stats vs a big club DM would probably get a LOT of credit.
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Doesn't mata.. the only difference I see barcelona is Lionel Messi's imba mode.. and players diving I'm pretty sure tat is how pep guardiola play his football...

Philosophy football under pep guardiola -->

Rule Number 1: Always pass back and side ways but make sure to pass it fast and occasionally play one touch football so that we can give an impression that we are playing amazing football.

Rule Number 2: When fail to retain possession, dive hard when opponent players touch you.. slightest touch is recommended..

Rule Number 3: After diving, roll on the grass like you had been hit by a truck. If camera is pointing at your face make sure you do a peekaboo...

Rule Number 3: When opponent players get foul, gather all the your teammates including keeper to pressure the referee like its the worst offence in the world..

Rule Number 4: When opponent players tired, pass to Lionel Messi

Rule Number 5: After goal scored, repeat rule number one.
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knn talk so much, tell fc horiwud to play one season in bpl lar.... thiew....
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knn talk so much, tell fc horiwud to play one season in bpl lar.... thiew....
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1) no winter break
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3) more physical league too
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Hmmmm Rooney signed.

Pros:
- Retained one of our highest profile players in terms of performance and also marketability
- Assuming he stays serious about his physical condition, he is good enough to build the team around
- Kept him out of local rivals hands

Cons:
- Expect at least one of RvP/Kagawa/Chicharito to leave in the summer.
- Dem wages @_@ Hopefully this doesn't make the squad unhappy and start pushing for a raise.
- Money that could have been invested in other areas is now tied to Rooney, we should get 2-3 more good years from him.. the 4th year might be another story.

Hopefully he uses this contract as motivation to rise to the occasion even more.

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^ u r a sensible, logical poster. i like your post.
fc horiwud can implement their diving act to full effect in bpl.
goes the same to barca too.

both clubs...pffttt...
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from livescore.com punya.... lineup tonite...let's see how accurate it is compared to actual one later tonite:

David De Gea
Rafael
Patrice Evra
Chris Smalling
Nemanja Vidic
Juan Mata
Wayne Rooney
Michael Carrick
Darren Fletcher
Adnan Januzaj
Robin van Persie

hmm.gif hmm.gif seems legit. oh wai- japenis mana!??!!? vmad.gif mad.gif
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QUOTE(sinoffire @ Feb 22 2014, 06:57 PM)
from livescore.com punya.... lineup tonite...let's see how accurate it is compared to actual one later tonite:

David De Gea
Rafael
Patrice Evra
Chris Smalling
Nemanja Vidic
Juan Mata
Wayne Rooney
Michael Carrick
Darren Fletcher
Adnan Januzaj
Robin van Persie

hmm.gif  hmm.gif seems legit. oh wai- japenis mana!??!!?  vmad.gif  mad.gif
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Tasty lineup! Kagawa = On the bench againnnnn... hopefully he gets some minutes if so. Let him come on for RvP late in the game and have Rooney push to #9 slot!


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QUOTE(sinoffire @ Feb 22 2014, 06:57 PM)
from livescore.com punya.... lineup tonite...let's see how accurate it is compared to actual one later tonite:

David De Gea
Rafael
Patrice Evra
Chris Smalling
Nemanja Vidic
Juan Mata
Wayne Rooney
Michael Carrick
Darren Fletcher
Adnan Januzaj
Robin van Persie

hmm.gif  hmm.gif seems legit. oh wai- japenis mana!??!!?  vmad.gif  mad.gif
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Later That Kid main u jangan rage ok
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Later That Kid main u jangan rage ok
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that kid is better than rvp and rooney wut... rooney and rvp no match la... rolleyes.gif
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/ignore THAT kid.

janji my DDG can keep clean sheet tonite and get his clean sheet bonus lar. wub.gif wub.gif
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/ignore THAT kid.

janji my DDG can keep clean sheet tonite and get his clean sheet bonus lar. wub.gif wub.gif
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QUOTE
Diego Maradona reportedly flew off the handle when he thought his fiancée had been flirting with Manchester United's David De Gea.
The Spanish goalkeeper met the legend this week when David Moyes took his beleaguered Reds on a warm-weather break to Dubai.
And Maradona is said to have 'exploded with jealousy' when he became suspicious that bride-to-be Rocia Oliva was getting a little too close to De Gea.


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fellaini still injured ka?  doh.gif
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fellaini get free salary, tak payah show up pun
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de Gea

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Ferdinand
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Januzaj

van Persie

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De Gea; Smalling, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra; Carrick, Fellaini; Mata, Rooney, Januzaj; van Persie.

MOYES WILL PLAY CROSSING FOOTBALL AGAIN BECAUSE FELLAINI IS HERE... Sorry for the capslock =D
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Fellaini Fellaini, hahahaha let see what he can offer tonite
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hope we play more through centre, instead of wings. with mata + rooney + januzaj as no.10, will be exciting
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Any record for Moyes to break today? tongue.gif
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anybody know what is happening to Astro 810? it's showing how to put your decoder into sleep mode over and over again for hours... this is what we getting for paying them?
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anybody know what is happening to Astro 810? it's showing how to put your decoder into sleep mode over and over again for hours... this is what we getting for paying them?
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Ya what happen??? I'm also getting this.
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Smalling needs to improve his crossing
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What happen to RVP? Shooting blank heh?
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anyway ...what does Mata has that Kagawa doesn't?

even Mata oso had to drift in like Kagawa does

but Moyes spent "unnecessary" money to buy in a "duplicate"

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QUOTE(tzxsean @ Feb 23 2014, 02:06 AM)
anyway ...what does Mata has that Kagawa doesn't?

even Mata oso had to drift in like Kagawa does

but Moyes spent "unnecessary" money to buy in a "duplicate"
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He plays on the right side vs a option filled left side?
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QUOTE(tzxsean @ Feb 23 2014, 02:06 AM)
anyway ...what does Mata has that Kagawa doesn't?

even Mata oso had to drift in like Kagawa does

but Moyes spent "unnecessary" money to buy in a "duplicate"
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lol
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He plays on the right side vs a option filled left side?
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to be fair .. januzaj can play on the right as well ...

i personally think there's much difference

anyway .. quite solid performance from the players .... just that no clinical finisher tonight :yawn:

thumbs up to the Crystal Palance players' defensive effort
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don't u think that we're playing too slow?
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crystal palace punya defending mabeles
and to me fellaini>cleverely
moyes want to use use kagawa haha
subs out rvp..rooney forward

rooney
mata kagawa janujaz



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don't u think that we're playing too slow?
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the defensive shape of crystal palace preventing us to play high speed game

anyway .. we dun have much "pacey" attackers

we should oso wary of their counter attack

considering our aging and vulnerable defenders
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don't u think that we're playing too slow?
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How to speed? palace def very tight, no space at all. This game i think very hard to break in their def, better shoot outside D

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imo it's kagawa's time.
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Looks like our attack from right side is malfunction, Smalling cant dribble pass def
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im afraid kagawa's time is up at Old Trafford
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Come on united!!!u can move to 6th if win this match...
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Come on united!!!u can move to 6th if win this match...
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Moyes needs to make substitution now for them to have impact ... it's clearly not working now
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vidic doh.gif
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penalty!
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Rvp!!!
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need to look for 2nd goal

if not we will suffer during Moyes time
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tq camak. smile.gif
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Go for second goal, please..
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Fellaini shot was doh.gif
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good penalty from rvp.fellaini for player out of injury is impressive in this game, apart from missed shot on target
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Menggelabah punye Smalling haha
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Rooney screamer!!!
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Rooney!!!

p/s: can we see Kagawa now?
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now to build on our goal difference ... no brake on pedal pls
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mata is our motm
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I'd say is De Gea

his 2 big saves before our goals thumbup.gif
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it could have been a hat trick for RVP today if not for his misses
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QUOTE(tzxsean @ Feb 23 2014, 02:57 AM)
I'd say is De Gea

his 2 big saves before our goals  thumbup.gif
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Moyes please play kagawa... please!!
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Fellani is good today .. hope there's more to come from him ...
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Moyes please play kagawa... please!!
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I cannot see kagawa playing today...
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valencia is coming on .. no kagawa T_T
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Whats wrong with moyes? He seems like ignoring kagawa only.
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Giggs instead of kagawa...Y U NO RETIRE
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Komon Valencia, teach them some lesson.
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Whats wrong with moyes? He seems like ignoring kagawa only.
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can bid good bye to kagawa in advance

rather play 40 y.o than him (no disrespect)

unless he is resting him for CL game

which is highly unlikely

i would love to be proved wrong
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QUOTE(kael90 @ Feb 23 2014, 03:07 AM)
Whats wrong with moyes? He seems like ignoring kagawa only.
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Its getting annoying after so many games Kagawa had been in the bench and not being fully ultilized
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fellaini like a boss..with his hair
hahaha
only1-2 risky pass..
he was like "wtf im doing here"
lolol
but he good to me
gigs last season?

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Giggs over Kagawa!?
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Its getting annoying after so many games Kagawa had been in the bench and not being fully ultilized
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it's almost certain he would be sold in the summer

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i cant brain moyes...if he didnt want to use kagawa in his plan then why not sold him in previous january transfer??? doh.gif
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i cant brain moyes...if he didnt want to use kagawa in his plan then why not sold him in previous january transfer??? doh.gif
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no good offer since he is ineligible in CL game
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Wow first united away win in 2014...today 23 feb...
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i cant brain moyes...if he didnt want to use kagawa in his plan then why not sold him in previous january transfer??? doh.gif
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rite?
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a win still win. if United opt for same formation which mata has a free role this midweek game, I can see kagawa starts

wonderful feeling
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Can Giggs just retire? And by the way, I thought Moyes is re-building the team, then why is he still using old player to play?
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its good if we can maintain the consistency of getting results. No 4th place is fine, its almost impossible anyway now, but the team needs to go on a run of 5-6 wins to get in the groove again, to prepare for next season.
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QUOTE(Tsuto @ Feb 23 2014, 03:26 AM)
Can Giggs just retire? And by the way, I thought Moyes is re-building the team, then why is he still using old player to play?
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Thats Moyes for you, I really thought Giggs time will end when Moyes took over, since Giggs like SAF golden boy & he is way too old, but surprise Moyes also want to use him doh.gif

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QUOTE(legendofhafiz @ Feb 23 2014, 03:25 AM)
a win still win. if United opt for same formation which mata has a free role this midweek game, I can see kagawa starts

wonderful feeling
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Valencia will start ... lets see
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QUOTE(legendofhafiz @ Feb 23 2014, 04:25 AM)
a win still win. if United opt for same formation which mata has a free role this midweek game, I can see kagawa starts

wonderful feeling
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Tido la pengantin...ahaha...congratzzz
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But, if Moyes do sell Kagawa, surely their Asian Market will affected. Lose some money there. No UCL, another source hilang.
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QUOTE(tzxsean @ Feb 23 2014, 03:29 AM)
Valencia will start ... lets see
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if he can't break the first team against olympiakos means he is as good as sold. a cold treatment by moyes just like anderson and fabio but maybe he got reason personally. from fans pov, seems wrong to bench and underutilized talented kagawa but from coaching teams pov will be different and we'll never know why. a strong manager needs to do unfavourable decision and stick with it (but of course, carry along with good results as well )

QUOTE(budakhijau @ Feb 23 2014, 03:36 AM)
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QUOTE(legendofhafiz @ Feb 23 2014, 03:53 AM)
if he can't break the first team against olympiakos means he is as good as sold. a cold treatment by moyes just like anderson and fabio but maybe he got reason personally. from fans pov, seems wrong to bench and underutilized talented kagawa but from coaching teams pov will be different and we'll never know why. a strong manager needs to do unfavourable decision and stick with it (but of course, carry along with good results as well )
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thing is, kagawa will only shine when United played through the middle. guess who filled the middle spot? *Dora the exprorer mode on*

kagawa can't do power cross, he doesn't have the gas tank too lightweight to pressure both fullbacks and CBs, especially EPL defenders (unlike our old boy Park). either he evolve his game (the way park did, from AM to winger) or he might be shipped out. he is so going to become bargaining chip for Moyes to get another player, and there's a lot of continental teams out there who would appreciate Kagawa's ability (and his shirt-selling potential)

however, given the mass exodus of players that we can expect at the end of the season (ando, nani, young, evra, vidic, ferdinand,giggs,fletcher), there might be spot for him, and moyes might considered this already. we can't simply buy a like-for-like replacement for each and every single one of them, so he might gonna stay beyond this season
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good win but one thing that bother me a lot is Giggs over Kagawa doh.gif

If Moyes doesn't see Kagawa future at United then how about Giggs? is he gonna play like another 2-3 seasons?
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QUOTE(Seoliem @ Feb 23 2014, 05:17 AM)
good win but one thing that bother me a lot is Giggs over Kagawa  doh.gif

If Moyes doesn't see Kagawa future at United then how about Giggs? is he gonna play like another 2-3 seasons?
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Kagawa has been starting all our UCL matches, hence our 100% record in UCL this season. If moyes believe such thing, then, i would safely say we can see kagawa plays
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Feb 23 2014, 04:30 AM)
thing is, kagawa will only shine when United played through the middle. guess who filled the middle spot? *Dora the exprorer mode on*

kagawa can't do power cross, he doesn't have the gas tank too lightweight to pressure both fullbacks and CBs, especially EPL defenders (unlike our old boy Park). either he evolve his game (the way park did, from AM to winger) or he might be shipped out. he is so going to become bargaining chip for Moyes to get another player, and there's a lot of continental teams out there who would appreciate Kagawa's ability (and his shirt-selling potential)

however, given the mass exodus of players that we can expect at the end of the season (ando, nani, young, evra, vidic, ferdinand,giggs,fletcher), there might be spot for him, and moyes might considered this already. we can't simply buy a like-for-like replacement for each and every single one of them, so he might gonna stay beyond this season
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Power cross? U mean just like the 81 cross without a goal?

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power cross?

kagawa can do a cross, but he can't dribble like young giggs, ronaldo....

just play him in the middle, he can thru passes, he can cross....as like Moyes doesn't know that
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about he cant so called "power cross" and he weak? then how about Giggs? what he can do at left wing/side? bring stability? heck he made thing worst since he come on...lucky we 2-0 up....still remember early this season Moyes did the same against Southampton....guess what they equalize last minute

at least bring someone that want to prove themselves on the pitch like Hernandez or even Welbeck
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What I feel.. Giggs is being disrespected by his own fans/supporters.

I mean come on, he's a living legend. He has contributed so much for the club, even if it is in the past, give credits when it is due. The man is old, this is his final year, let him have his last season and give him some respect.

Although he is no longer as influential, he still brings stability and authority to the pitch due to his vast experience as compared to other members in the squad. By asking him to retire, quit, stop playing is just plain insulting to the man who contributed to our years of success that has created a strong foundation for the club.

Come on, just be respectful to him. Yes he is not as good as before but he is a respectable person in the dressing room and the players looked up to him. I'm not asking you to bootlick him or whatever, just show some respect to the man.

Ryan Giggs is a legend. If he wants to continue playing, just let him be. Have you ever seen other club's supporters asking their living-playing legend to retire and stop playing? It is just plain disrespectful.

Put yourself in his shoes. Surely he is not as commanding as Maldini, Pirlo, Christian Veiri, Nesta as the BPL is more demanding than the Serie A or other leagues but Ryan Giggs is still healthy and playing in central role instead of playing in the wings where his legs are no longer capable of running like his olden days.

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yay a win! the volley was just a screamer!

On to business, Giggs needs less time. Valencia... meh. I always envisioned Janu and Zaha on the flank, mid with attacking sides of kagawa and mata, but now he's like being racist and all with zaha and mrjepun sad.gif i'm really sad.

drop the crap players and put on the new fresh legs!

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QUOTE(andrewtho @ Feb 23 2014, 11:49 AM)
What I feel.. Giggs is being disrespected by his own fans/supporters.

I mean come on, he's a living legend. He has contributed so much for the club, even if it is in the past, give credits when it is due. The man is old, this is his final year, let him have his last season and give him some respect.

Although he is no longer as influential, he still brings stability and authority to the pitch due to his vast experience as compared to other members in the squad. By asking him to retire, quit, stop playing is just plain insulting to the man who contributed to our years of success that has created a strong foundation for the club.

Come on, just be respectful to him. Yes he is not as good as before but he is a respectable person in the dressing room and the players looked up to him. I'm not asking you to bootlick him or whatever, just show some respect to the man.

Ryan Giggs is a legend. If he wants to continue playing, just let him be. Have you ever seen other club's supporters asking their living-playing legend to retire and stop playing? It is just plain disrespectful.

Put yourself in his shoes. Surely he is not as commanding as Maldini, Pirlo, Christian Veiri, Nesta as the BPL is more demanding than the Serie A or other leagues but Ryan Giggs is still healthy and playing in central role instead of playing in the wings where his legs are no longer capable of running like his olden days.

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Didn't u watch last game match? He play on the wing! No disrespect toward him but at least put him on the suitable spot like playing him in the middle to bring stability not on the left or attacking position when u need someone to making the run off the ball...At this point Moyes himself make fans tired of him
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QUOTE(Seoliem @ Feb 23 2014, 12:01 PM)
Didn't u watch last game match? He play on the wing! No disrespect toward him but at least put him on the suitable spot like playing him in the middle to bring stability not on the left or attacking position when u need someone to making the run off the ball...At this point Moyes himself make fans tired of him
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Most importantly, we won the game no? If he is the cause of the defeat or dropped points then it is considerable, but we won the game with a clean-sheet so no complaints there. And he only played for a small amount of the match and I don't expect him to be an instant impact due to his age. Give him a break, let him have a run out.

The most important is the end result. Don't expect Giggs to make darting runs, running from his half to the opponent's half like he used to in the olden days. He's 40 for Christ sake. Most of his games are in a central position this season, just this game is an exception

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i think moyes will play kagawa as mata replacement in the UCL.

i too have a bad feeling that giggs will come on as a substitute lol.
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QUOTE(andrewtho @ Feb 23 2014, 12:07 PM)
Most importantly, we won the game no? If he is the cause of the defeat or dropped points then it is considerable, but we won the game with a clean-sheet so no complaints there. And he only played for a small amount of the match and I don't expect him to be an instant impact due to his age. Give him a break, let him have a run out.

The most important is the end result. Don't expect Giggs to make darting runs, running from his half to the opponent's half like he used to in the olden days. He's 40 for Christ sake.  Most of his games are in a central position this season, just this game is an exception
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The bold part is exactly my point..i don't have any problem for Giggs playing on central position.

Southampton(H),Cardiff(A),Shakhtar(A),Sunderland(League Cup)...these all the game where Giggs come on to play attacking/left wing side...all the game we either draw or lose last minute from leading 1 goal up...

I just hoping better decision-making/substitution from Moyes in the future...no disrespect whatsoever towards Giggs

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how's afroman performance?
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we played really well.. fully deserve he 3 points.. could have scored more too..

the back just solid rclxms.gif Vida & Rio surely still the best centre back partnership in BPL rclxms.gif
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I believe nobody here disrespect Giggs for his loyalty and contribution thus far, but we wish to see Moyes really bring some changes to his tactic and formation (if he does has one or two...) instead of playing Giggs on the wing, which he can no longer flying on the flank
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Afro played well, hold up the ball and made some decent passes. Got couple of chances to score but no luck. Provided stability in the center. I'd say he should start more given his performance.
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Funny how people thinks we are dis-respecting Giggs... please.... He is a legend we all know it.... but what we are questioning now is.... since Moyes is re-building the team... why dont he use more younger players to get more experience and play along with the rest of the team?

Bringing Giggs on to play does not help in this.. no? This is not about which position Giggs was playing yesterday.... is the more time he plays... the less chance others will get...
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I have to agree that bringing Giggs on isn't the best option , heck Moyes biggest mistake so far is his subs. Other than that , I would say everything is still alright ( EXCEPT for certain playstyle , but one could argue that it's the player's choice , we wouldnt know what's going on there ) , especially considering how well Rooney's situation was handled .

If #31 keeps on playing well and provide stability in midfield , he'll be a good Fletcher+Carrick combined together . What I worry is our CB and LB at the moment . With Vida Evra leaving , who do we have ? Buttner at LB - Left side of defence exposed all the time . Evans is alright , but Jones and Smalling dont look like the most stable of players , and both are injury prone , especially jones. This summer will be one of the biggest for the past few years , many will leave many will join I suppose .
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how's afroman performance?
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Involved in some key moments during 1st half. Not sure about 2nd half because I didn't get to watch it. Overall, he was rated 7/10 in yesterday match.

During 1st half, I think Moyes instructed Fellaini to get into opponent's area everytime we are in possession and get the ball wide to cross it into the area for BigAfro. But, we were less one dimensional and played some combination of short passing to open up defence as well. Very nice to watch RVP, Rooney and Mata mixing it up.

I think we should stop bringing on Giggs and give other player some game time to build confidence. Giggs is retiring anyway...
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Giggs must score at least a goal for any premier league season. Moyes in dilemma whether to keep the record or break the record for this time.
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A win, a clean sheet, Fellaini returns and did a decent job (aside from the poor shot attempts).

Hopefully we can keep improving smile.gif
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QUOTE(Tsuto @ Feb 23 2014, 03:14 PM)
Funny how people thinks we are dis-respecting Giggs... please.... He is a legend we all know it.... but what we are questioning now is.... since Moyes is re-building the team... why dont he use more younger players to get more experience and play along with the rest of the team?

Bringing Giggs on to play does not help in this.. no? This is not about which position Giggs was playing yesterday.... is the more time he plays... the less chance others will get...
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Why are you contradicting your own statement? Let me reenact your statement.

QUOTE(Tsuto @ Feb 23 2014, 03:26 AM)
Can Giggs just retire? And by the way, I thought Moyes is re-building the team, then why is he still using old player to play?
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How is this not disrespectful? Forcing someone to retire against his will? Another another someone

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Giggs instead of kagawa...Y U NO RETIRE
Don't give me BS that these statements are considered as 'constructive', by asking someone to retire is respectful? If you respect Ryan Giggs contribution to the club, you shouldve make those statements in the first place. As I've said before, we won the game. That is the most important. Why can't Giggs get a runout when we are leading comfortably with 2 goals? It's not like we need a game-changer right after DM makes his substitution.
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I don't think some people here realise. The whole point of putting Giggs, Fletcher, Valencia in was for better defensive solidity and composure. Giggs brings experience and composure to the team with his influence. United have lost composure the last few minutes of the game this season so many times. The experience of players like Giggs was meant to improve the composure of the players to avoid conceding another goal. At the same time, Giggs is still a very capable player and also has tactical discipline. Kagawa was never going to provide that composure because he lacks influence over the other players the same way Giggs has.

Look at the team sheet. Ferdinand was back. Vidic. Evra. Carrick. Rooney. Mata. RvP. Giggs. Fletcher. Valencia.

The players chosen are all packed with experience, especially experience in winning games in the BPL. Moyes has gone for experience to steady the rocking ship and build a foundation. Once the pressure is off the players, he can slowly start rotating the players.

In case anyone didn't notice, this is United's first away win this year. And after conceding so many last minute goals, the jitters were there for all to see. Little wonder then, that he chose players with experience.

And why is it wrong for Moyes to sub Giggs in if Moyes wants to rebuild the team? Why should he only sub younger players if he wants to rebuild the team? Making changes for the sake of keeping up appearances to the fans? The substitution had a tactical reasoning behind it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. In yesterday's game, it seems to have worked with United sealing the result.

Whether you feel it was the right tactical decision is one thing, but I cannot agree with the argument that this was a bad decision because he wants to rebuild the team and therefore should only sub younger players. That doesn't make sense to me.

Rebuilding the team is a big picture thing. Substitutions in a game is a small picture thing. The big picture is measured over years. Not substitutions over 1 game. There are plenty more chances to substitute younger players in other games over the next 6 years. This is just 1 substitution in 1 game where it was more critical to close out the game than anything else.

Not to mention, Moyes was criticized for bringing Giggs in and all that rebuilding argument, but some people fail to realize that Giggs came on to replace the player who started the game in that position. Januzaj. An 18 year old.

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Feb 23 2014, 09:17 PM)
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I don't think some people here realise. The whole point of putting Giggs, Fletcher, Valencia in was for better defensive solidity and composure. Giggs brings experience and composure to the team with his influence. United have lost composure the last few minutes of the game this season so many times. The experience of players like Giggs was meant to improve the composure of the players to avoid conceding another goal. At the same time, Giggs is still a very capable player and also has tactical discipline. Kagawa was never going to provide that composure because he lacks influence over the other players the same way Giggs has.

Look at the team sheet. Ferdinand was back. Vidic. Evra. Carrick. Rooney. Mata. RvP. Giggs. Fletcher. Valencia.

The players chosen are all packed with experience, especially experience in winning games in the BPL. Moyes has gone for experience to steady the rocking ship and build a foundation. Once the pressure is off the players, he can slowly start rotating the players.

In case anyone didn't notice, this is United's first away win this year. And after conceding so many last minute goals, the jitters were there for all to see. Little wonder then, that he chose players with experience.

And why is it wrong for Moyes to sub Giggs in if Moyes wants to rebuild the team? Why should he only sub younger players if he wants to rebuild the team? Making changes for the sake of keeping up appearances to the fans? The substitution had a tactical reasoning behind it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. In yesterday's game, it seems to have worked with United sealing the result.

Whether you feel it was the right tactical decision is one thing, but I cannot agree with the argument that this was a bad decision because he wants to rebuild the team and therefore should only sub younger players. That doesn't make sense to me.

Rebuilding the team is a big picture thing. Substitutions in a game is a small picture thing. The big picture is measured over years. Not substitutions over 1 game. There are plenty more chances to substitute younger players in other games over the next 6 years. This is just 1 substitution in 1 game where it was more critical to close out the game than anything else.

Not to mention, Moyes was criticized for bringing Giggs in and all that rebuilding argument, but some people fail to realize that Giggs came on to replace the player who started the game in that position. Januzaj. An 18 year old.
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LOL I dont think my statement is dis-respecting Giggs... no offense... what I had said earlier is "we all know Giggs contribution to the club over the years"... in fact I know there are hardly anybody who can match his achievement... I still remember how he flies over the wing and help us defeat many opponents..

The reason why I ask the question about why he is not retires is because the longer he stays.... the lesser chance others gain experience. How can others gain experience then? We cannot keep rely on Giggs to pamper the young players isnt it? Bringing experience and stability? The young players need to step up now... not keep waiting years after years for a 40 years old legend to bring stability and experience to the team...

I will be delighted if Giggs is mentoring the young players during training or etc...but not keep expanding the year of service and occupy a spot which deny opportunity for others. They should have step up and be a player who deserve to wear that shirt, not keep rely on Giggs.
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Totenham drop points tonite and the gap for 5th place is 5 point. Really need to step up our game avoid losing any unnecessary defeat. If we can't grab the UCL spot, at least we can content with Europa spot.

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