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post Feb 10 2014, 08:12 PM

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Big game against Arsenal on Thursday, never give up. Valencia needs to play, can give Gibbs a good time again tongue.gif
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post Feb 11 2014, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(bansai @ Feb 11 2014, 01:00 PM)
Same lineup as fulham for arsenal -young +januzaj because of some awful overshot crosses and maybe -fletcher +kagawa for more creativity..

Arsenal are considered lightweights, in the tackling department, so if we employ the same style as we did fulham, we might be able to nick it..
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They don't have Riise as a defensive wall tongue.gif Their fullbacks are pretty timid but pacey. Can outmuscle them with Valencia brows.gif
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post Feb 11 2014, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(bansai @ Feb 11 2014, 01:20 PM)
well, they do have big and strong mertesacker, but he seems like a nice and soft guy to me...
ox, cazorla and wilshere as dangermen for me.. ozil might be man marked by fletcher.
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I hope Jones will be fit by Thursday morning, he can mark Ozil again. Gotta agree on Wilshere, he is the man to watch.

QUOTE(fas29 @ Feb 11 2014, 01:21 PM)
Sagna's crossing is quite dangerous iirc last time we played them. Hope to see RvP score against them again  tongue.gif
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post Feb 12 2014, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(Reon @ Feb 12 2014, 01:38 PM)
It's quite ironic that Moyes has openly taking all the responsibilities of poor results but kept talking about rebuilding the team. So, was he saying the fault is not on the players but his own dinosaur tactics? Or he just playing taichi to indicate this whole squad, who won the league by 11 points last season, is not up to his "united standard"?

Seriously, it contradicts the reason that United hired him in the first place isn't it? Yeah maybe they want him to build another dynasty, but for sure it must follow his way of spotting talent yet spend less money method right!? The money he spent in last 6 months was a staggering £65m, good enough for good-scouting-manager to build at least half the squad!! doh.gif
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Gotta agree on the 65mil. But right now the market is inflated, players that are deemed with 'potential' or currently on-form will result to a sky-high valuation. We do not need 'superstars' players, with 65mil, I am pretty sure we are able to sign decent players that fetch a far lower price than the ones paid for Fellaini for instance. The price for Fellaini is indeed overpriced..still have yet to see him justifying his pricetag.

Mata's deal seems alright. Chelsea's best player for two seasons, able to play multiple positions and 3 assists in 3 games, sounds like a pretty good start to me. While Fellaini is still nursing his everlong injuries that is pilling up as the days goes by.. he has a big shoe to fill to justify his pricetag.
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post Feb 12 2014, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(sinoffire @ Feb 12 2014, 05:25 PM)
not when next round UCL draw

b.munich vs barca
rmadrid vs psg

manutd????
profit.  icon_idea.gif  brows.gif  laugh.gif

zenix THAT special formation huh??  brows.gif  brows.gif
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That formation inside your seluar brows.gif

Match day!! rclxm9.gif

QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Feb 12 2014, 03:45 PM)
1. Transfers are not Moyes' domain. That is Ed Woodward's.
2. He doesn't have the luxury of time like he did in Everton. Here, he'd be lucky to even get 3 years, let alone 11 years to slowly build and rebuild the team.

The team is at the point where old players are too old and young players are too young. And the players in between are injured. It's that kind of luck and situation. Now that Rooney, RvP are back and hopefully they can paper over the weak defence.
Yeah. Damn sad to see that United aren't taking advantage of these chances. sad.gif
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post Feb 12 2014, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(Sifha238 @ Feb 12 2014, 07:28 PM)
Win lose or draw still 7th, but if lose Moyes might get fired earlier #justsayin #ggmu #moyesout
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#sinoIN

Coach sino will give the players a good 'lesson' cool2.gif
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post Feb 13 2014, 04:33 AM

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Tight game. Defensively very sound but the forwards needs to make something happen hmm
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post Feb 13 2014, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(budakhijau @ Feb 13 2014, 11:50 AM)
hey guyszzz...whaduppp...MISS ME n my MONTOTs...lols...

malas nak komen sini...ramai worldclass player...sume dah menang ballon d'or lebih 10 kali...hebak2 sume...sembang sarupa mau tarbang...while our lads harness the hurt from abus n our own...i ask myself...wat did i do...bash them...no...i want to suffer with them...so bring it...i hav no shame of my club...no matter wat comes...no UCL no title...i hav witness n gone thru with it for decades...of glory...a season or two of suffering is nothing...its a process...i learn n live with it...its not a big deal...its football bloody hell...if u cant take it...pegi main congkak ke memancing ke...fly kite ke...go play tengteng n batu seremban...dah laaa...malas nak ckp ngan org bijak pandai n buat pandai...kalo terer sgt jom futsal...dpt kluar peluh n bonding session...sehat tubuh badan...dr stress komen kat sini pacitaaa...ahahahaha

p/s : to MUST wasap group...my fon skrin crack kena sandwich dgn pintu kereta...bye2 my nokia E71(ade pic my montot inside...i sedeyh kenot sent to u guys)...TQ nok'sE71 u've been a gud servant mcm SAF...now looking for new cheap fon for wasap oni...bajet takde...derma la sorg singgit bleh...ahahaha...miss u guys a lot...terutamanye sinoffire...lols...miss the banter on prev 2 game...gaythering tertunda ye sino...later get low cheap junk low class clueless fon mcm moyes(according to some junkier anonymous)...i buzz u guys...LOTs OF LOVE...kiss n BIG HUGs(pinjam from juanMata blog)...yg dikasihani benar, greenboi...#berdiritegangbehindmoyes SGT TEGANG like never before...
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post Feb 13 2014, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(Sifha238 @ Feb 13 2014, 02:02 PM)
Sino x abis2 promore xperia miro, lol

Faster buy new hp budakhijau, take muntot pic, chung waiting
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post Feb 14 2014, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(alexong @ Feb 14 2014, 01:32 AM)
Region 2 doh.gif

Otherwise I'll consider. Our local players can support Region 3 only sweat.gif


QUOTE(pisces88 @ Feb 14 2014, 02:50 AM)
After reading an article on soccernet, I Hope Moyes don't destroy Mata like Kagawa. It's a big loss to football.
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Mata is more versatile than Kagawa. Mata can play on the flanks..while Kagawa only operates behind the striker, CAM, CF.
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post Feb 14 2014, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(Reon @ Feb 14 2014, 04:33 PM)
THIS.

A manager's job is to maximize the potential of any given player to him, not forcing players to fit into his tactic when it's obviously not working. Attackers are attackers, just because they didn't track back that often doesn't mean they are poor. Their job is to attack, and they should reserve the energy and aggressiveness for that purpose. The same you can't expect a defender to score heading goals all the time while abandoning the defense. Everyone should play their position to the maximum level so that the team can perform to its best. A good manager is the one who can find a way to try to maximize the players' abilities on the field.  cool2.gif

For the fans sake I hope he won't ruin Mata, Kagawa and Januzaj's talents with his dinosaur tactics.  shakehead.gif
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Maximize every potential given to him? So when Wenger deploys Oxlade Chamberlain at CDM a few weeks ago even when he is a winger, does that mean that Wenger is wrong? Or maybe when Lahm is RB and Pep operates him as a CDM, he is wrong too? Does that mean that they are poor managers?

Do you know that every players has their own workrates? There are players with high defensive workrates even when they are attackers? For example, Wayne Rooney and Angel Di Maria. Sure they can attack, they have tons of stamina, is it wrong for them to help out the defense? Di Maria tracks back a lot because Ronaldo doesn't. Just like Tony V. The reason why SAF pick him more than Nani is because of his willingness to track back and help out the defense and counter attack whenever possible.

Are you implying that forwards should just stay at the middle circle waiting for the ball to arrive at their feet? David Moyes loves to deploy his full backs to carry the ball forward, hence you can see why Evra and Rafael are attacking a lot and sending in crosses, but it backfires on Evra because he doesn't return to his position fast enough while Baines will run backward whenever he looses the ball.

So from your statement, attackers should just be attackers. No need to help the defense. I wonder if a manager tells Wayne Rooney, 'Look Wayne, you shouldn't play a deep role, your job is to supply and score', do you think he will listen? It's his natural instinct to track back and help because he was Wayne Rooney.

And to those who are arguing about Mata being wasted on the wings, did you know that Mata originally played on the wings during his days at Valencia? No you didn't. You just assumed that his best position is CAM or CF because he has been playing here for 2 seasons? Lel. Even if he is playing on the flanks, 4 games, 3 assists. Enough? Just accept the fact that Mata can play in multiple positions and he is happy about it, instead of whining.

If Kagawa wants to leave the club, go ahead. He is better off at another club outside of England. His style of football doesn't suit our style, talented no doubt, just not the right league for him.

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post Feb 14 2014, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(john_white @ Feb 14 2014, 05:05 PM)
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jangan lawan.. sume kat sini manager hebat2
we just should listen
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QUOTE(sinoffire @ Feb 14 2014, 05:15 PM)
yea...kindly send your resume to unclegg@manutd.com for the position interbiu session. it will be done via conference call. please be ready.

i'm schedule for interbiu in Jun2014 riao. when asked why so late, they informed me that they received "quite substantial" amount of the same emails. so have to wait for my queue til then.  sad.gif
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QUOTE(Reon @ Feb 14 2014, 06:08 PM)
Well I'm not sure are they poor manager to you but at least to me they are better than David Moyes because their teams are currently sitting at the higher position than Manchester United.
Yeah I agree on the examples you mentioned who have the high defensive workrates, and for obvious reason that cannot apply on the likes of Kagawa, Mata and so on. What I was saying is they were bought for a reason, and that (main) reason is to attack. Their focus should be attack, not track back all the time to tackle back the ball. If we wanted them to do that, we should've bought a defensive midfielder or a central midfielder for that purpose, who should be better tackler. These players should create opportunities and score goals. Even though there are versatile players like Wayne Rooney and Juan Mata who can play in multiple positions, but for the long term benefit of the team, they should be playing their most effective position to help the team to win games. And you can only win games by scoring goals.
If Wayne Rooney actually followed his instinct, he should've made more shots outside the box when he had quite a few clear chances, instead of passing the ball out wide to the wingers who helped break the record of crosses in the Fulham game.
I have no complains on Mata's performance so far, just feel a little worry that his progress in the team could be stagnant due to the manager's tactics. The same goes to Kagawa, and any other talented player.

I support Manchester United football club more than its manager. I rather see a manager walk off a job that is out of his reach, than to see the talented players leaving Old Trafford due to his tactics and philosophy.

Peace.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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I do agree that David Moyes is not very good with his tactics of late, but I was comparing about the different roles assigned to them by their managers even if it is not their original position. To be honest, players should be listening to the manager, because the manager is the figurehead of the team. I believe if SAF was around, no one would dared to question his authority, well maybe Keano but one thing for sure, the players have to respect their manager. Sure David is new to the club, maybe the players don't like him or he is just not as motivating as SAF, but the players need to respect him as their manager, listen to him eventhough it is not always correct.

I think Rooney's habit is this. He hates losing. Whenever the team is in trouble, he needs to be there to save them, forgetting his role as a forward. I have no issues with that, but at times Rooney can counter well, if you remember occasionally he does long-balls forward to the strikers in front, RVP/Chica etc. Mata will be fine, he enjoys his current role, playing multiple positions. Because his main role is currently occupied by Rooney, for the sake of avoiding Rooney's sulking temper /attitude or senior role at the club, Mata is has to give way, playing in another position.

As of now, I appreciate Mata's contribution to the club. His first touch is excellent, something that Wayne Rooney must look into. I foresee Rooney changing into a deeper role as he age on, maybe as a CM, there he can defend and distribute the ball at the same time. That last line wasn't meant for you, was speaking in general. Kagawa is a great player, just our play doesn't suit him. Heck, even SAF cannot make full use of his potential, always playing in different roles.

As long as David Moyes is the manager of the club, he has my respect. Of course not to the extend of supporting blindly, everyone has their limits. It's fine to share ideas and criticism, it's football after all, but not to the extend of calling the manager 'stupid'. Sure he made a few mistakes over the past weeks but I am still optimistic that he will change the tides around. He is given a 6 years contract for a reason, I believe it's time for him to show to everybody why he was the 'Chosen One'.

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'As soon as I put the boots on again, feels like I never left. Glad to be back #training again.'


Looks like someone is getting back in-shape? Media hinting that he might return to football, and Old Trafford as a possible destination. Second-time coming for Van the Man?

RVN & RVP rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(RevolutionWorks @ Feb 15 2014, 03:42 PM)
or for this?


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But on the sidenote, he speaks so fluently wub.gif

150 goals for us, will never forget him. RVN 10 thumbup.gif
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Rooney on the brink of signing a new contract, 300k a week. But the question is.. will that change his mind about leaving? Hard to bet on, who knows, next year he might want to leave us again, seems like he's been doing it rather frequent lately. meh
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QUOTE(Reon @ Feb 16 2014, 11:27 PM)
Yeah 300k per week is astronomical figure, and this might unbalance the team in terms of wage structure and stuff. Sad to say that United has no choice over this. He is the best player of this season for us, carry the whole team forward despite all those losses. Without him I think we should be at the bottom half table. Then he remains the most marketable player for United, also the biggest name to attract big players to join us in the future. In a (dark) time like this, his new contract could prove vital for the new season ahead. He is 28, his prime time, and this should be the last time he can ask for these figures (same as Ronaldo did last season with Real). Well, if he continues to perform like he does this season, then I see no reason why not tie him to another 5 years. Moyes can spend £27m on Fellaini so why not extend Rooney's contract? It might turn out to be the best thing Moyes ever did in his time at Old Trafford. tongue.gif
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Agreed. Let's just hope he is settled now, commercially, he is the person that Nike would recommend the club to tie down because Nike sponsors the club and Rooney is an ambassador for Nike, just like what Nike tried to do with Ronaldo, contributing a little for the 'supposed' transfer back to OT tongue.gif But yeah, some may say that his goal tally is not worthy of a striker, but his passion is still burning, the desire to win.

Moyes must be proud. If he can stay on until Rooney retires, he will be the only manager who gave him a debut at 16 years old and watch him retire tongue.gif That is only he can stay that long laugh.gif
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QUOTE(fas29 @ Feb 17 2014, 09:22 PM)
I miss theold Cleverley vs Man City during the Community Shield.


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He started off as a CAM, he was going forward and all, later he then became a CM, a more defensive approach. Such a pity, was always hoping for him to become something big, seems all has been fiddled out sweat.gif
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QUOTE(sinoffire @ Feb 18 2014, 05:06 PM)
SOS?

rvn smoke weeds??  icon_idea.gif  brows.gif

but...but..but...

roon + rvp + cavani + falcao.

fuh!!!!!
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post Feb 20 2014, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Feb 20 2014, 12:15 PM)
Sadly that's true. Most FM addicts here dream choice. But unlikely to happen. Most likely he was using United as leverage in negotiations and will only consider United if contract talks breakdown. And that oso depends whether other big boys compete or not.
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