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post Feb 18 2014, 03:44 AM

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QUOTE(fas29 @ Feb 17 2014, 09:22 PM)
I miss theold Cleverley vs Man City during the Community Shield.

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Look at the team's off the ball movements, and they were trying to play through the middle as well.

Compared to nowadays, almost everyone stand in line with opponent's defensive line when the CM received the ball. Look at the space between carrick and the attacking players... Even when they decided to move, it is at walking pace. As if they are zombies.

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post Feb 18 2014, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Feb 18 2014, 05:23 PM)
That was a one off. United rarely play like that. It offered a lot in attack, but left the team exposed defensively and the fast pace meant a lot of late tackles which meant United had I think 11 players injured at the same time by mid season, IINM.
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We were playing beautiful fast pace football and scored quite a lot of goals as well, but we were leaking goals at the same time. After we got hammered 6 - 1 by Man City, injuries etc, SAF decided to revert back to wingplay and counter attack. Maybe it was due to us being too gung ho laugh.gif . However, the intention to play pass and move football was there. As a result of that, SAF brought in Kagawa and intended to move Rooney to CM.

Now, it's all gone. It is not like I wanted us to play tiki taka or something fancy, but at least play a combination of some. We are being too one dimensional and it hurts to see the way we play now considering the variety of players we have.
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post Feb 18 2014, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(projectnew @ Feb 18 2014, 06:17 PM)
Yeah.. even arsenal was no match to the all mighty one touch football we played during that time.. after that 6 - 1... changed totally...
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Yea... With Clev and Ando being injured, we did not have the players to play like that, thus SAF changed to adapt.

Now, people talk about how this squad is long overdue and all. Seriously, this is the same squad that bossed Mourinho's Real Madrid up until Nani's red card. And we did it with Rooney on the bench at OT. How the heck that very same squad can regressed to current sorry state? And people are talking about letting Moyes spend big money to bring in the talent he want and rebuild the whole squad... rclxub.gif
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post Feb 18 2014, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(projectnew @ Feb 18 2014, 09:00 PM)
Even mourinho comes... he will struggle as well.. How much money has mourinho spent in order to get his success? Compare to moyes in everton which he build from scratch turning everton to a stable club which now roberto martinez is able to enjoy..

The problem with United squad at the moment is trust and confidence.. they do not fully trust moyes at the moment because of his reputation in the trophy department. This united squad is just too used to Sir Alex influences. So moyes needs to build his reputation and the players need to trust him and help him. About the rebuilding part, probably now he is trying to let go players who does not believe in him..  That is where he stamp his authority..

If moyes wins the champs league it will skyrocket his CV and reputation. I think he should go for it.. but on the other hand it is extremely super duper difficult almost impossible with our current state.. but it will be easier than reaching top 4 because I think liverpool had already book that place.. unlikely they are gonna throw that away..unless suddenly the go on a losing spree... or suddenly all their key players go injured for a long time.. safe to say the place is already taken..

So logically speaking we should be desperately wanting to win the CL more than anything else as it will be the most realistic yet delusional expectation.
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Roberto Martinez built the foundation for Swansea as well before Brendan Rodger took over. I agreed Moyes did a great job at Everton. No doubt about that. However, even Everton fans admit Moyes' football peaked 3-4 years ago. They kind of stagnated since then.

This is an interesting post on Reddit by an Everton supporter:

This post is from 9 months ago
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This is his recent post to answer some question by a Man Utd fan
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post Feb 18 2014, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(projectnew @ Feb 18 2014, 10:41 PM)
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It is only an analysis by an Everton fan who constantly follow his club. Nobody said Martinez is so much better or anything; Martinez weakness is his his team always build up play from defender and does not hoof the ball even when they are in danger of losing the ball at their own penalty area laugh.gif . It was a list of pros and cons. I agreed that if one watches a lot, does not mean he/she can do it, but that doesn't mean he/she can't understand the subject and gives some suggestions, right?

What is more worrying is that even a football fan could see through his tactic and coach like Rene mentioned Moyes' tactic is very predictable. The Everton fan's post comparing his tenure at Everton hits all its mark. But, some of the good signs are his handling of Rooney's matter and Ashley Young actually improved (he should be considering how much time Young was given) and cleared out the deadwood. However, 9 months into his job and I can't see any progress or a glimpse of the becoming of a great manager football wise.

I supported Moyes' appointment at first and believed he will come good but his performance so far suggests otherwise. If players are not performing, isn't it the job of the manager to make sure they do? If players are able to grind out results on their own, why need a manager?

Yes, of course EPL is a very difficult league but that does not mean Liga and Bundesliga are below EPL. Remember we got spanked by a certain Bilbao not too long ago? And they finished 8th at La Liga that season iinm. Technically, EPL is far behind Spain and German leagues.

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post Feb 20 2014, 02:20 AM

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QUOTE(nVidiaFX @ Feb 19 2014, 10:05 PM)
Does anyone think that at 300K GBP a week is too much for wayne rooney. I think Man Utd should just let him go. He is a stumbling block in the club and causes disharmony. If we pay him 300K GBP a week it feels like finally a player is bigger than a club.
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IMO 300K per week is a little too much and his reluctance to move to CM role where he can be more influential, does not help either. I hope he stays but I can't see why we should pay over the odds to make it happen.
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post Feb 23 2014, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(angel-face @ Feb 23 2014, 01:52 PM)
how's afroman performance?
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Involved in some key moments during 1st half. Not sure about 2nd half because I didn't get to watch it. Overall, he was rated 7/10 in yesterday match.

During 1st half, I think Moyes instructed Fellaini to get into opponent's area everytime we are in possession and get the ball wide to cross it into the area for BigAfro. But, we were less one dimensional and played some combination of short passing to open up defence as well. Very nice to watch RVP, Rooney and Mata mixing it up.

I think we should stop bringing on Giggs and give other player some game time to build confidence. Giggs is retiring anyway...
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post Feb 24 2014, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(angel-face @ Feb 23 2014, 10:06 PM)
Ini jugak drool.gif drool.gif
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post Feb 26 2014, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(dEviLs @ Feb 26 2014, 04:34 PM)
We all understand at this tough time every single ABU will join the party and create more havoc. While the fans have differing view on DM, lets not fall into the trap setup nicely by the media.

On this instance, RVP did voice out about his teammate occupying his space but he didnt criticise his own manager openly, and even DEFENDED him.
but DM is clearly clueless on what he said - drop Adnan just because he decidede to play cleverly ? they play in different position  doh.gif
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I think the media has been really nice to him up until now. If he is not British, the media would have been firing on all cylinders from last December onward.
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post Feb 26 2014, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(bob @ Feb 26 2014, 07:12 PM)
that also the main reason why he become MU manager ..  bcoz, he is British.
but actually none of the british manager/coach can replace SAF.
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How I wish we can get someone with such masterclass tactical knowledge

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post Feb 26 2014, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(sinoffire @ Feb 26 2014, 07:36 PM)
^ veli gooding video. wonder how dahel u get this video. hmm.gif
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Found it at a Man Utd forum laugh.gif
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post Feb 27 2014, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(sunblaze @ Feb 26 2014, 11:49 PM)
very interesting video! four minutes, but it felt like less cos the topic was good smile.gif
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Yea. Hope there are more translated videos of Cruyff's discussion on tactic. Here is another one that kind of very similar to the problem we are having.

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post Feb 28 2014, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(chaiyya345 @ Feb 28 2014, 09:57 AM)
I hope they practice what they preached "THE FA AGAINST RACISM" but they way I see... Kagawa situation is worse than JS Park. remember how excited the fans were last season when SAF signed him?.... well, those were the days...
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If Moyes is still the manager next season, I hope Kagawa will move to the other top team. It is very sad to see a player with such talent being wasted on our bench. Even when he did come on, he hardly got a chance to do something because of our over-emphasis on pathetic wing play.

The link below is a more in depth analysis on Kagawa's quality, something that does not get as much recognition as fancy footwork, thunderous long shot or hollywood long pass.

The Art of Subtlety
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post Mar 3 2014, 02:51 AM

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QUOTE(plain_white @ Mar 2 2014, 11:22 PM)
Regardless of which players we get, Moyes should go. Klopp is the perfect manager for us. Imagine he unleash the potential of kagawa like what he did in bvb, together with creativity of janujaz and mata feeding van persie. Our front will be unstoppable. Current tactics employed by Moyes just outdated and don't work. It's like wasting talent in our team. Agree that young and cleverly should go.
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Klopp extended his contract with Dortmund recently iinm.


During the game against Palace, it was very obvious Moyes' game plan is hoof the ball into the area considering the frequency of Fellaini getting into Palace's box. Those bit of cute short passing between Rooney and Mata happened because Mata is not a very discipline kind of player and he did not stick at the wide area rigidly all the time.

To sums it up, those 1 or 2 rare quick exchange build up plays happened out of Moyes' plan. Once he realized Mata can't adapt to his tactic, it will be Kagawa fiasco once again. Kagawa 2.0 or maybe Kagawa's situation is Mata beta phase... Lol I dunno

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post Mar 16 2014, 11:59 PM

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I heard the commentator said Man Utd had only one shot on target at the end of the match iinm...
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post Mar 17 2014, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Mar 17 2014, 12:00 AM)
yeap. that goes to show how great our attacking play was. tongue.gif
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Both commentators were praising Rooney's "skill" in that attempt. Seriously, I fastpalm to the max. That is the only thing a 300k per week "superstar" produced. Rooney was terrible, losing the ball easily a few times.
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post Mar 17 2014, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(sunblaze @ Mar 17 2014, 12:01 AM)
I agree that we didn't get a lot of anything from the wings, and in fact our promising/threatening moves were (almost?) all from the middle.

Problem is, everytime we got the ball into a promising position in the penalty box, RvP would mess it up or it would be blocked.

Between his wayward shooting and his dropping into excessively deep positions (almost like a CAM) when he is supposed to be leading the line, RvPs performance today really felt poor.
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That is because Rooney occupied RVP's position. Everytime Rooney spread the ball to the wing, he'd run into the area. Rooney supposed to be the no.10, a player who lurked in the space between midfield and the forward. Yet, he played like a typical hybrid target man. Our only clear chance came when Rooney arrive late in the area.
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post Mar 17 2014, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(john_white @ Mar 17 2014, 12:10 AM)
i hope next season moyes show what he can do
kick all players who not perform..
i love watching everton in his era
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i dont know why but i hate if club hire big names to manage the the club
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He is still a giant killer. He is killing one at the moment. laugh.gif
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post Mar 17 2014, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(john_white @ Mar 17 2014, 12:27 AM)
i said that because the only big club i support is man utd
that why i still support moyes.. if u all think that moyes is not the right person
well, aku takde hak nak halang or sewaktu denganya
we all love our club but we all have different opinion
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Takpe takpe... Banyak orang panas hati sebab kita orang main teruk sangat... Ade yang complain pasal manager, ade yang complain pasal player.

I am in the "blame the manager's" camp because I don't believe a squad that won the league last season can suddenly become so shite. And, I mean out of 4th place competition shite.
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QUOTE(sunblaze @ Mar 17 2014, 08:54 AM)
Not sure if I agree with that or not. Even if Rooney is making runs into the penalty box, a penalty box and the edge of it is big enough for 2-3 players to play at. RvP could adjust his positioning without dropping back close to the halfway line.
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Don't forget Fellaini is doing the same thing as well, this resulted the area being crowded. Worse of all, we don't have a player who can put in a decent cross. Rooney did not drop back fast enough when our wing move did not work out. Everyone stand inside the box or at the edge of the box. Someone got to drop back eventually to find space. Rooney + RVP combo is obviously not working at the moment.

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