Dear All

I went for a talk last week about this new business opportunity with zero risks. Here's the detail:

Company/Group: Surewin4u (圆梦赢家)

Modus operandi: Got 99.8% winning chance in baccarat. Put in money with a guy and he will gamble it on your behalf all over the world's casinos. Monthly get back 8%. If get ppl to join, get more override

Joining Fee: Around 25,000 (close to Lampe Berger level of buying Count for rm 30,000)
I am not 100% sure that it is a Get Rich Quick scheme but it certainly smells like one. If anyone has more info please share.

More info:

Company is in HK but have a group to promote the MLM here
Gives a class (after paying rm 25,000) that shows you how to win 99.8% in baccarat but ask you not to gamble
The RM 25k is then used as gambling capital. Gives back 8% a month.
Founder is one Ong Kean Swan. Google shows that he is ex-MD of Red Island Cafe, a confirmed pyramid scheme and closed down.
I was kinda reluctant to share this because 2 friends are in there. I am not trying to break anyone's rice bowl but this scheme potentially will hurt a lot of other people

Update:

Company behind surewin4u in Malaysia is a certain Dream Success International located at Taman Danau Desa.
Reported to BNM, going to report to kpdnkk

Founder's picture:

Many more here (BEWARE, this is the website of the said scam): http://www.surewin4u.com/win000.htm

The club that is organising the talks: http://multiunitedclub.blogspot.com UPDATE: link is down and changed to something else

Seems like the company that is behind the website Surewin4u and Surewin4u mirror is:
Dream Success International Sdn Bhd

Address: 11-1-2, Jalan 3.109F
Taman Danau Desa
Kuala Lumpur - 58100
Kuala Lumpur
Contact: Reggie Tan
Email: tanhunjin@gmail.com

A quick search in facebook produced this

More info at Cari Forums (sorry in Chinese only):
http://cforum6.cari.com.my/forum.php?mod=v...ead&tid=3029612
http://cforum.cari.com.my/forum.php?mod=vi...=2985817&extra=

UPDATE 16th June 2014
I have made an official complaint to KPDNKK thanks to the dupe accounts saying that there are 130k people already being fooled. I have decided to escalate this further. If no action I will bring up this matter to other ministries

UPDATE 20th Oct 2014
News from Raymond T.
15 people lost 3 million ringgit


This post has been edited by whyseej00: Oct 20 2014, 09:36 AM

If there is people think one can win 99.8%, casino will bankrupt in no time.

But in this world there is really people with some money and really that stupid.

There is NO casino game where you can win in the long run, the casino has brilliant mathematicians to calculate all the odds, and make sure the odds are AGAINST the gambler.

1st of all ... like others say if anyone thinks this is real ... he/she must be dumb ...

2nd ... let's just say it IS real ... he claims 99.8% winning chance in baccarat ... baccarat's payout is almost 1 to 1 which means almost 100% .... but they only give u back 8% ... wtf is that ? lol

U pay RM 25,000 ... by right 1 round he oredi can get RM 50,000 .. but only give u back RM 27,000 ? He earn RM 23,000 ? lol

Actually you're wrong ... If there is people think one can win 99.8% .. THAT'S WHEN CASINO makes a fortune lol .. if no1 think they can win then who go gamble ?

They do put up convincing pictures of cheques from Genting, Marina Sands. Up to 1million plus. All are winning cheques

However, even if they are to win a lot of money, there is certainly no accounting trail for them to pay you back the money.

They also have lots of people receiving mock cheques and such mounting up to 16mil HKD (around 8 mil RM)

Hope you guys can have good judgement and not to be swayed by greed on fast and easy money :/

I'll just leave this here:-

"If its too good to be true, it probably is"

surewin4u

As if this is not obvious enough.

It has less to do to a person being dumb and more towards a person being greedy.

For that short while in the loooonnngggg presentation, I actually contemplated to join. Just a very short while, and then I checked it is my greed talking

Just be careful, they might go under a few names but do check who is the founder: Ong Kean Swan

Baccarat is a no-skill game, just put the money on the table and hope; unlike blackjack, which is a game of skill, but even then, with the highest skill, the casino has also calculated the odds to be against you in the long run.

In short run, yes, one can win in any casino game, and even win big, but sure to lose in the long run as the mathematical odds start to work against you.

even count cards or eidetic memory guy cannot win 99.8%

In this world there is no free meal, and certainly no big frog jumping everywhere!

This post has been edited by zest168: Jul 19 2013, 03:20 PM

The founder?

The plan seem

This post has been edited by thteong82: Jan 4 2014, 01:31 AM

That's the one bro...but the one who gave the talk wasn't him. I went to an invitation by a club...

http://multiunitedclub.blogspot.com/

Please dig more info guys!

I saw the pictures too...if can please post here bro so I can update the thread

This post has been edited by whyseej00: Jul 22 2013, 02:33 PM

I heard this from my friends also. 1st time seeing ppl share in LYN here. any more info to share?

What info I have, already shared in first post...do you have any more?

Did u participate?

I went to the talk but I didn't join. Smelt the scam from a mile away. Did you?

i did not join but my fren did. It looks like those similar money game. It looks like a big gamble for poor ppl like me. If really got $ can play at risk.. because its consider high gain so it comes with HIGH risk as well. If u ask me, I don't recommend it. If u are hasty to get a lot $ within 2-3 years.. can try gamble this at own risk.

Good Job ~ ~~Ah joo joo

99.8% winning haha laugh dai gao mee~~

Dr. Peter Ong is now Dato'....

Mr. John Koh
Email : john.muclub@gmail.com
WeChat ID:johnmuclub
Batu Pahat, Johor

http://multiunitedclub.blogspot.com/search...0&max-results=4

jonkor pun main

i saw the page above on the star, surewin4u, LOL the company name is just weird la, and now summore conferred a datukship

quick google then found this thread d

i wonder if the committee that confer this award are aware of the credibility of the ppl they award it too

In Malaysia, apa pun boleh. I really hope that people will see this scheme as what it really is. NOBODY can guarantee a 99.8% or 100% win in casino.

It is impossible to beat the casino, stay away.

Unless there is dealer working for them and purposely let them win. But sure the management won't like

Is it this guy?
http://www.guangming.com.my/node/161992?tid=3

alamak... this is a rip off . seems that these 2 guys learned from this sg baccarat inst

http://baccaratinstitute.com/Home.php

then they came back and tried raising money to fund their own things promising 8% return. teh sg company just ask for fees SGD8,888 for 3 day course. they take u for practical lessons in casino.

anyway, there is a warning memo on this site saying the person in Malaysia is former students but dont have any relationship with the sg company.

http://baccaratinstitute.com/Chinese/%E9%80%9A%E5%91%8A.php

Edited

This post has been edited by thteong82: Jan 4 2014, 01:31 AM

The Master Yap from baccarat institute is a BIG BIG CHEATER!!! Here is the prove:

This is original paper cutting, show that he lost 5 million because of gamble


He alter the original paper and distribute around the Sands and Sentosa, trying to cheat people learn gambling from him, aware...

Look at the number 99.8% win.

That is NOT a win !!

It means you put in RM1 one hundred times, you only get back RM99.8. It mean you SURE LOSE RM0.20 for every RM100 gambled !!!

Mathematicians, am I right to say this?

This post has been edited by conxtion: Oct 15 2013, 03:10 AM

No, if 99.8% win means if u bet rm 1 one thousand times, you will win 998 times.

Means your capital rm 1,000, after one thousand times you will have rm 1,996

But don't believe, there is NO special formula to get that win percentage. The only way you can have that kind of advantage is that you CHEAT and if caught cheating, be prepared to face the law or be fed to the sharks

My bad.
To me, 100% win means win. Less than that means no win. Means loss.

Hmmm according to what I understand from here and it really makes me really really find something fishy about this .

1.) 99.8% of win chance is very high , even a coin toss the probably is also 50-50 , so what makes the fella have the formula for up to 99.8% ? A card deck consist of 52 cards and hence the probably is even lower to get up to this 99.8% . Even If they say win chance is 55% , is already high enough for most gamblers because we all know this is less likely happen .

2.) Lets assume it existed 99.8% of what it is currently , but try calm down and think . RM25,000 for a lesson and exchange for it is worth a fortune . Because you certainly can go and bet and have your modal return in no time . But why is he taking the RM 25k as a capital to gamble themselves ? And since the chance is 99.8% win chance is so high, why return 8% a month ? They should be able to payout more than that . You need 12.5 months just to get your "investment" capital back . And why in the world they drag so long ?

3.) Lets assume they really bet for you and you don't mind to get 8% every month . How long have this thing existed and how many members already inside it ? Assume that 10 members in it for starting , and 10 of them decided not to gamble and just enjoy the 8% till they get back more than their capital at the 14th month . But in between , surely they will share with their friends and family about this and more people will join in . In the long run , it will get more and more members and at the end of it who will benefit more ? If it really works , then the members is lucky so does the company since they only want your money to gamble . But if it doesn't work out and the company does not even use your money to gamble at the first place .

Note this : If 1 person is RM 25,000 and assume they already payout 50% averagely to the members , but if they got 100 members by that time . It will be a RM 1.25 Million . That is only just 100 members . Can you imagine if by 3 years , it really expands to 1000 members ? And suddenly it decided to stop . How much money have this company have ? I dare not to calculate .

4.) And if it really works , don't they worry that the people who join in will eventually teach the method to other people as well ? Try to think , if you learn and found that the method really works , wont you go and teach your wife or best friend ? And if this stuff spread like wild fire , don't you think the company have no more member eventually ? And many of us will everyday go to Genting Highlands or Resort World Sentosa to "withdraw" our money from casino and we don't have to work .

And there is a few more which I makes me really suspicious . I personally thinks that it is most likely is a scam . If really got such thing , I would really curious and see that player win so many rounds in front of me ( provided it is not cheating ) .

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Hands down.

i've seen so many this kind of scheme. from soccer betting,horse betting and now baccarat

Then when will there be a Roulette master ? Lol

Why does most names for GRQ scheme is all about money, dream and success?

Sure as hell smells like MLM.

Any surewin4u member here?

Why you asking so many times? Are you a member?

No..how about you?

If you have read the first post, I'm the one who started this thread

Do state what are you looking for here

Not scam. They have their way of winning using probability and technique. But not 100%. but it won't last long and it is not ethnically.

Yes I agree with you.

That's means they are lying about the way they earn money. Lying to ppl to get their money = scam in my book

Tat day he won 800k in elite private room..

Taiko still go up ah....thought you said you wanna quit heh...

Anyway, whatever he wins (or lose):

1. not confirmed that his formula is what he says it is
2. not confirmed that he is going to pass the money back to shareholders
3. not confirmed that he is going to share the losses if he does lose (not his money after all)

play small small only..no more like last time liau

actually really duno this fella is legit or not..invest 25k one time, monthly get 1.3k..but those ppl there say he is legit..but just listen nia.

Surewin is not a scam.Its break the rule because (unlicensed activity) but not break the law.Scam only run by a individual or small group of member but Surewin is a teamwork force.It employ hundred of bettor which work on specific time on local and oversea casino.

This post has been edited by yippie 13: Oct 25 2013, 02:51 PM

It all about money game.If you are not greedy and want risk free dun touch.

This guy confirm member. Some more joined Oct 2013.

If it is unlicensed, then it is scam. Just look at Geneva Gold directors. If assets frozen then it will be bye bye money....

Wrong I not a member .Believe it or not.Bad judgement...

this can only end two ways

-- their group is a scam, crack down by police and go to jail.

-- they have a legit, mathematical approved method to get the EDGE, and the casino finds out and blacklist them.

i am more inclined to believe its the first

A good scam.

Banks dowan lend him money to gamble... So he approach public to lend him money to gamble. In return.. He promised 8%.


Its like ur relatives have gambling problem and ask u to lend him money so that he can gamble.

So what aren't you a member of surewin4u?

Dream Sucess company is a scam la..previous open Island Red Cafe,cheated many ppl money.

NOw ask ppl to invest rm25k.,he bet in VVIP casino,u guys cant saw it but he lose alot inside.

BEware of this scam

Its 100% scam la, winning 98.9% is a story to convince you to come in, in fact x% of the money collected will go for gambling to test LUCK (HOW GOOD YOUR GAMBLE TECHNIQUE IT IS BUT YOU CANNOT FIGHT WITH THE LUCK) and X% will use the money for rolling like collecting new investor money to pay the earlier joined investor and keep on recruiting until 1 day slow recruiting and THE POOL money is not enough to pay the investor then the company or scammer will have lot of stories or excuses will come out in order for them to buy time and end up all the mid and current joined investor will get burn. and the boss & leader rob multi millions of dollar run away.

For those player out there don't try to cheat people hard earn money la .The god will punish you. if the law cannot punish you.

My Advice

for those still want to give a try (greedy) to join this scam company, go ahead before doing so , please remember keep a copy of bank in slip that you have make payment, make sure don't pay cash to the RECRUITER/AGENT, pay directly to the scam company oversea bank account and make necessary recording whatever they promise you. so that if the company run away you still have proof to report to police. and Remind DON'T pay or transfer money to recruiter/agent account as they are selling you a WALLET POINT to register you, you cant sue them.

wooops...

Sure Win??
Hahaha...

25000 first time fee, then they pay you 8% of the 25000 monthly.
Pay you for few months so you happy and you intro your friends in.

The thing is, they never have to gamble anything, they kept the money u gave, and slowly giv back to you while building reputation.

Just see when the suddenly closed down like typical scam mlm.

Omg....one of my friend jz invest rm50k into this.....
Really "big stick" liao......

why your friend so clever?

it's taking over JB now. Apparently, most of the early ones had got back their capital. Sucking in all the new blood. Every referral is 15% of the capital the victim invest in!

Yes, Indeed my friend is damn clever.
I have tried to clarified everything.
seems like kena brain wash too seriously.
He even saying the top sales award get a helicopter as award -.-" (No longer ferrari cars)
**Top sales got helicopter but he dunno how to operate helicopter sounds so funny right?

and the big boss owned a rolls royce convertible which only 2 units in whole Malaysia.
He kena poison too "deep" already.

Currently It seems expanding in KL.
There is another property firm which owned by the owner brother joined this conman group.

Last week they even invite "power station／动力伙车" to sing in their event.
Seems like they are quite success to brainwash their member as the group seriously damn rich in cash.

Hi lad.

When is it got event in kl.i wan go listen thier con tactics.

FYI, relatively old news in March 2013:

http://www.crimewatch.my/2013/03/01-tengku...i-mahkamah.html

And this was last month:

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Community/2...-by-giving.aspx

Beat the casino? Hahaha!

Sure win is when your investment lets you own a share in casino...

next event should be next month,
will let you know if they invite me again

here is their website:
http://www.surewin4u.com/
http://surewin4u.blogspot.com/

*im not promoting, just for your reference. I personally dont believe in this kind of investment

Ya.thank!

Yes! It's fast coming down to JB. Yesterday, 3 ppl came to our place to convince us. They brought brochures& a 1 1/2 inch thick photocopied book that shows all sorts of sayings related to one's dreams in life& pictures of helicopter, rolls royce, stash of bank notes, winning cheques, thick gold chain & others. They keep telling us that it's not easy to earn a living nowadays, business is difficult. 1 of the men even boasted that his 21 year old daughter has already made hundreds of thousand& has booked a BMW car. They try to exploit 1 of human's greatest weakness that is GREED.

To those who are interested to invest, my advice is try to watch 'American Greed' on Youtube or channel CSI (732) on Astro. Trust me, the programme will help you better understand how these investment companies work. Good luck!

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This post has been edited by lbn: Feb 16 2017, 11:48 PM

This kind of ponzi scheme those that join early and quit early will untung. Those join late will rugi when the scheme collapse.

They advertised 5 or 6 pages full page full color advertisement in Oriental Daily.

Sounds too good to be true. Normally this kind of scheme only the starter earn alot $$, the later joined on GG.



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Nice one bro! Looks like my complaint to them worked. But the hard part is spreading this info to the general public

although spreading this info to general public, there's still people believe in this and investing.

I want to know how they brain wash public. PM me if there is event ya. Many thanks !!

today one of the directors got dato....check it out on star newspaper.....

For how they do brain wash, you must join their seminar /dinner.Then when they wash your brain dun say YOU DUNO because after that you bad mouth about they are cheater,scammer and so on.One finger point them but YOU DUNO three finger actuallly point yourself.Stay away if you are not greedy.Nobody tease you how you earn for living similarly. for Surewin member....comment should be fair for all.

This post has been edited by yippie 13: Dec 31 2013, 01:35 PM

Anyone got their system ? I love to debunk it

Page 20

People like this should be locked in jail, permanently.

Casinos hate systems.
Casinos will permaban players who wins big.
Casinos also will spread news to other casinos to permaban big winners.

ya, I saw it too.

One of the director got dato.

Somemore dato seri.

really cheat alot so can buy a dato seri.

Latest news, they are now targeting overseas, if not mistaken they are targeting sri lanka.

I guess the head wished to cheat whole world and he will be the richest con man in the world.....

Aiyah,the royalty behind all awards dun give a fark. All they want is money. If not why so many datuks involved in unsavoury 'businesses"? The people involved in this could prolly be the same as the scratch & win pukau/hypnotic gang. That one use black magic,this one use black logic??? LOL after making 6 months payment they will abscond. They pay you back RM12k of your own money but eat your RM13k. Same as the others. A fren was happily getting paid for like 6 months from Quantum Science and then the bomb exploded in the faces of all the greedy so-called investors. No matter how good the track record it must happen one day bcs if they keep paying you they'll lose money.

I saw the Sultan of Perak in The Star papers recently,sitting in a wheelchair and aged so much dy. After the BN stole Perak from the PKR we hardly saw or heard of him. Why? Some peeps pay for their sins while still alive but the lucky ones will only pay after they are dead.

Sori,double-post.

This post has been edited by TheOwl: Jan 5 2014, 02:55 PM

When Lyn army wanna pay a visit?

I agree. They recruit as fast as possible,then they will abscond with tens or hundreds of millions. These crooks prey on greedy peeps.

My friend just joined with 86K capital . Really all the best to him all i can say.

His life time savings ? Or a naive investor ?

Hope your friend get back some of the money before the govt close this down. Also they are blacklisted already for illegally collecting investment money

how come this company still survive since 2011... malaysia boleh

Major songlap going on when the wife of the Perak Sultan is involved

They are getting aggressive in JB now, was approached by friend yesterday!

Do the right thing and report to

BNM