Hi,

This is to reply to an old post posted by whyseej00, I feel ureged to stand out for what is real going on out there in this business.

u said I am not 100% sure that it is a Get Rich Quick scheme but it certainly smells like one. If anyone has more info please share.

Which part of it u smelled? Frankly speaking, with the rm25000 package u mentioned and only 8% return per month, u wont get rich quick enough as this is among the lowest capital package. But i want to assure u, this is certainly a much muh better, and reliable investment option among all u can think of.

I am sharing from the standpoint of a small investor who dont want my money to depreciate or do nothing for me

How much u make by parking ur rm25000 in a bank? Or even fixed deposit? The interest given cannot beat the increasing inflation rate today

Invest in stocks or financial instrument? can u make 8% PER MONTH??? That requires awesome skills, and usually only those who is good at trading can do it, and certainly not for value investment, like buying a bluechip stock and wait for return. Even The God of Stock, Warren Buffet, a value investor can only make a 24% return of his investment in a year, AND that is considered very good already, as he has gigantic sum of capital. But how many have that skill, and capital?

How about invest in property? To buy a property at a hotspot so that you can make return fast? How much u gonna throw in? Good location will always
come with steep price. Okay, buy one at not so hot spot, then wait for YEARS for its value to increase lor.

Any other investment plans u think can provide such a good return, yet reliable? Only when u attend the course and learn for yourself the proven techniques they use.

one good saying:
Investing without knwoledge or solid method is no other than gambling
Gambling with knowledge and solid method is acutally an investing

And who is the fella in the facenbook pic? The founder is Dato Ong Kean Swan, pls.
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U said Reported to BNM, going to report to kpdnkk?
See the cert below for yourself. Will Malaysia Goverment certify him as clean record if he is really behind some scams?





MY4174144

This post has been edited by Denjor: Jul 17 2014, 04:16 PM

hI,

Words can easily said, but better watch out when there is legal price to pay. See your yourself!



The irresposible act of spreading unreal info aimed at assaulting someone on the web is utterly DESPICABLE!

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MY4174144

This post has been edited by Denjor: Jul 17 2014, 04:15 PM

Hi,

I am waiting long long too for your PROOF here to justify what u said is true! Show us!!!!


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MY4174144

This post has been edited by Denjor: Jul 17 2014, 04:23 PM

hi.

What is illegally collecting investment money? Did they ask money from you with a parang knife or under their threat? NO!!!

This is deal which happen under binded agreement, without MISLEADING INFO at all.

Speak it nicely, it is through signing up to their Live Baccarat Game course with a guaranteed investment return, learn and testify their method, and earn in due period as agreed. All in black and white. Where come the illegal sentiment?

TO Really charge one company doing scam, the victims have to provide EVIDENCE, ONLY the probe can be going on. So far I never heard of any member lodging complaint to the authority for being cheated, as this is NOT HAPPENING ON THE GROUND!!! What is happening is that every member is SO happy and satisfied with the deal, as each promise is ACTUALISED without fail!!!!

WHAT U THINK OF???

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MY4174144

This post has been edited by Denjor: Jul 17 2014, 04:17 PM

hi,

Surewin is not going to beat the casino, it is making business togther with Casino.

have u played baccarat?

In one betting table, there are ppl betting on the house and on players.
When ur betting wins, u *may*not actually take the money from casino, as u cud win your share from the others who bet on the opposite side.
so, what it means? it means when our gamer wins, the casinos do not necessarily losing money!

What the casino cares most is the turnover of all baccarat tables, for instance 500, under the law of probabilty, as long as the games are being played, the casino will continue ti earn easy money from the the 5% commisions isit it?

Surewin and its team is only participating to help boost the turnover, and their wiinigns are but a tiny fraction of the casino total earmign!

This is totally not same with blackjack, where professional gamblers rely on card-counting to maximize their winnings, and when they win the casino loses. This is why most blacklisted are blackjack players.




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THE TRUTH ABOUT ONG KEAN SWAN!
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MY4174144

This post has been edited by Denjor: Jul 17 2014, 04:18 PM

HIi,

Any concern being a member or not? Wat i am talking is jsut FACTS!


MY4174144

Hi,

What i perceive is surewin is not taking illegal deposits from mbrs, coz upfront all are in mutual understanding that the sum we pay is for the course fee. What it offers is just a revolutionary idea that it is the first-of-its-kind courses that promise guaranteed return in some forms only.

Its main business line is EARN WHILE YOU LEARN? Isnt it? Whats wrong with that?

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THE TRUTH ABOUT ONG KEAN SWAN!
ONG KEAN SWAN'S PHILANTHROPY

MY4174144

This post has been edited by Denjor: Jul 17 2014, 04:21 PM

Sigh! Stay away if not keen lah. Does Poems give u any guarantee when u buy stock thru them? 8 percent return is the lowest return with lowest capital, it wil definitely b more if u hv higher capital.

Dare not take risk, then dun think of investing! Go put in the bank.

Confucius : "Do not attempt to work with people whose way is not your way". 道不同不相为谋

Need not say too much.

Last word, out of god will, beware of legal price to pay for irresponsible fabrication here.


New Straits Times Malaysia, 13/6/14 Friday


Sin Chew Jit Poh Malaysia, 10/6/14, Tues

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This post has been edited by Denjor: Jul 17 2014, 04:24 PM

Thanks RealNaive and Bep for defending our stance so far.

ya, totally agree with u bro.

All these fella, from waht i see, only good at hiding at a small corner, spurting all these baseless and fake bullshit in this small chat group. I followed thru their posts and finally resorted to these words, their content is so EMPTY! They talked so big, so loud here, but where is the evidence that anyone got conned in surewin? If u have, show us here.

when we tried to clear the cloud with this offer, they even treat this as a "THREAT". What they are afraid of? If they sound so cocksure about their claim, why no GUT to take more drastic step, face up to our challenge and unveil the scam in front of Dato? No, they are all gutless, only good at shooting ppl in the dark.

To the ANTI-CAMP:
If u have GUT, come on and show urself! 130K surewinners are waiting for you, and all the more will thank you if u can really prove urself right!

Dun waste your breath here,

If you think posting in here is the best to public, we can do a real-time streaming for you, to let everybody in the world see how U confront Dato on the day! Prove urself like a man and take up the challenge!


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THE TRUTH ABOUT ONG KEAN SWAN!
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This post has been edited by Denjor: Jul 17 2014, 04:36 PM

we would not offer u a golden chance to meet up our CEO if we ever feel threatened by any of ur or your gang's words.
What's more, we welcome the idea of showing the streaming in here or youtube, any online platform u name it, so long it is broadcast in INternet (sto suit ur like), but with condition the anticamp show themselves up and claim your statements.

If we ever scared, we wont have come this far! Whoever dare not to move a step forward and take up the challenge only PROVE THEMSELVES COWARDS!

Dun write anymore, talk face-to-face! If u all really have a big heart to save the whole world from the scam, take one small step forward and prove to the world U r that good! Otherwise, just good for nothing, hero in disguise!

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THE TRUTH ABOUT ONG KEAN SWAN!
ONG KEAN SWAN'S PHILANTHROPY


This post has been edited by Denjor: Jul 17 2014, 04:38 PM

Fake Dato?
Fake Tengku?
Photoshopped cert endowned by d authorities?
Fake surewin formula?
Surewin another scam
etc..
All these craps are just simply spouted WITHOUT evidence

Dun tell me the spread of all these FAKE CLAIMS not enough to charge someone of committing defamation on the Web?

Ya too bad, we dont wan to talk cock only. But do u know how difficult to catch the rumour mongers in the dark corner here if these cowards dare not to show themselves . Sniff their IP address? Or perhaps u can suggest a better way to catch them?

Alternatively, I think lowyat forum admin will b informed soon to clear the foul air here by filtering out the slanderers, as they shd come to th lights that no further action taken by them is no other than helping the slandering to grow in some ways.

U r always welcome to express ur opinions in a forum, but beware if u have crossed the line n committed the cyber crime of defamation n slander on the web without u knowing it.

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This post has been edited by Denjor: Jul 17 2014, 04:39 PM

Common sense lah, no matter how surewin a biz model, it still need capital to operate n expand n flourish. Our money is the capital! Tell me any biz in this world runs without capital?

On this
In formal logic there's this "anecdotal fallacy", which basically states that you cannot prove anything if you only have your own experience as proof, as you could be an exception.

Likewise applied to u, if u ever scammed by any scheme, n that is ur own experience, don't b too superficial n take it as an excuse that ALL MLM business are scams.

Adoi pity u, this only prove how small your world is.
hello we r talking about millions of millions of biz lor, these money only small potatoes. Wat we said in mandarin, 小菜一碟。