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 Get Rich Quick Scheme Alert: Surewin4u, Another GRQ scheme

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post Jun 14 2014, 08:18 PM

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Notice the disappearance of Denjor as soon as the arrested photo is shown.
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post Jun 16 2014, 11:25 AM

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Dee Casey is back I guess.
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post Jun 17 2014, 01:51 PM

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Just look at the guy already you know something funny. He looked like those 4D soothsayers.


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post Jun 18 2014, 08:14 AM

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130k member can overthrow government, yo. Don't play play. Just look at what Genneva did...oh wait.
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post Jun 18 2014, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(teamjoker @ Jun 18 2014, 12:21 PM)
Be a gentlemen and do not resort to such words implicating family members.
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post Jun 18 2014, 10:55 PM

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This brings back memories with Genneva debacle.
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post Jun 18 2014, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(tifosi @ Jun 18 2014, 10:31 PM)
Just bumped into this thread. Didn't read the beginning. But if I were to invent a baccarat method that yield 98%, I would sell my underwear and gamble myself. Why would I share my technique with the general public?

Stupid logic.
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Problem is when it comes to big money, logic goes out the window.

If you can score 98% at baccarat then all those casino operator will simply dump the game to avoid further loses.


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post Jun 18 2014, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE
Conclusion

The obvious flaw in SureWin4u’s 100% success rate baccarat strategy ruse is that, if it existed, Ong Kean Suan wouldn’t need anybody’s money to profit from it.

Money from a loan, his own money, that of his family’s… with a 100% win rate it wouldn’t matter, he’d be in profit in no time. Grab a laptop, create an account at an online casino and away you go.

The SureWin4u FAQ quotes an estimate daily ROI of 10% company-wide using the strategy, so there’s really no need for affiliate investment at all. Unless…

With the baccarat strategy ruse out of the way, what we’re left with is a simple Ponzi scheme. Affiliates buy in and Ong Kean Suan uses that money to pay off existing investors.

ROIs staggered monthly and only paid out every quarter meaning that when the inevitably collapse hits, affiliates are unlikely to see it coming. With access to the amount of money coming and what he owes investors though, Ong no doubt will and that’s when he’ll likely disappear.

Hell, even if there was a mythical 100% win rate strategy for baccarat, still the concept of paying SureWin4u and then getting them to play the strategy (the alleged source of the ROIs the company pays out), makes no sense.

Pay your fee, learn the strategy and go and use it yourself.

SureWin4u creating a >100% ROI liability for each dollar they bring in makes little sense outside of the obvious Ponzi scheme business model Ong Kean Suan is using to pay off existing investors.

What’s really eye-opening is the hundreds of thousands of dollars in play at the upper investment levels. With ROI caps in place, naturally the idea is that affiliates will re-invest much, if not all of their winnings and progress up the investment levels.

Quite obviously it’d only take a few of the top-level investments to mature to bankrupt the system, and when that happens… losing a few thousand dollars in a Ponzi scheme is bad enough, but a hundred thousand or more?

That’s one heck of an expensive lesson in the pitfalls of Ponzi schemes.

Finally, it’s also worth noting that SureWin4u already appears to already be on the Malaysian regulatory radar.

Listed as “Dream Success International Sdn Bhd (1002002-P)”, SureWin4u appears on a list ‘of known companies and websites which are not authorised nor approved under the relevant laws and regulations administered by‘ the Central Bank of Malaysia.

http://behindmlm.com/companies/surewin4u-r...carat-strategy/


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post Jun 18 2014, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(kelvinlym @ Jun 18 2014, 11:18 PM)
Later when the leader absconds or (fingers crossed) get caught by authorities, the "victims" will come out of the woodworks and protest that Malaysia government broke their rice bowl.

After some time, the leader will be a free man again, and will start a new scheme.

Same ol' same ol'.
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130k members will soon grow to millions, as proven by a certain gold scheme:

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post Jun 19 2014, 10:25 AM

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For someone who is a member of an organization that is supposedly contribute to society, do charities, helping people in need, quoting words of wisdom, they sure are good at making vicious rhetoric.


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post Jun 19 2014, 03:32 PM

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Dee Casey is good at making stories.
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post Jun 19 2014, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(Denjor @ Jun 19 2014, 08:39 PM)
Common sense lah, no matter how surewin a biz model, it still need capital to operate n expand n flourish. Our money is the capital! Tell me any biz in this world runs without capital?
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Funny, all the photos showing your "master" with all that money and still require capital?

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post Jun 19 2014, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(Denjor @ Jun 19 2014, 10:28 PM)
Adoi pity u, this only prove how small your world is.
hello we r talking about millions of millions of biz lor, these money only small potatoes. Wat we said in mandarin, 小菜一碟。
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Actually I pity for you for still foolish enough to fall for this trick despite the obvious warning signs all over.

But go ahead and rant about my small world if it makes you feel like the bigger man. rolleyes.gif
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post Jun 20 2014, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(Cloudx @ Jun 20 2014, 09:14 AM)
Can't wait for those that defended this to come back crying warning ppl to beware of this when they lost everything whistling.gif
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The ones defending this scheme are most likely astroturfers, so they won't come back crying.
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post Jun 20 2014, 05:15 PM

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Notice certain person erasing the older post. I wonder why?
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post Jun 21 2014, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jun 21 2014, 12:02 PM)
He has nothing to hold but some e-points.  laugh.gif
Selling e-points for money aka scamming.
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He does not realize the rant that is coming out of his head only paints an ugly picture to the kind of people believing in this scam.

Is that the kind of person you would trust with all your savings? Someone who is good at giving insults instead of providing logic explanation?

He is basically doing damage control to cover up his flawed mentality with all that backtracking.

That "I'm not a member" claim? Of course astroturfers would deny their association with the organization. They are paid to do so. Even Genneva astroturfers done it.

 

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