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 Get Rich Quick Scheme Alert: Surewin4u, Another GRQ scheme

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post Jul 15 2013, 05:23 PM, updated 9y ago

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Dear All

I went for a talk last week about this new business opportunity with zero risks. Here's the detail:

Company/Group: Surewin4u (圆梦赢家)

Modus operandi: Got 99.8% winning chance in baccarat. Put in money with a guy and he will gamble it on your behalf all over the world's casinos. Monthly get back 8%. If get ppl to join, get more override

Joining Fee: Around 25,000 (close to Lampe Berger level of buying Count for rm 30,000)
I am not 100% sure that it is a Get Rich Quick scheme but it certainly smells like one. If anyone has more info please share. icon_question.gif

More info:

Company is in HK but have a group to promote the MLM here
Gives a class (after paying rm 25,000) that shows you how to win 99.8% in baccarat but ask you not to gamble
The RM 25k is then used as gambling capital. Gives back 8% a month.
Founder is one Ong Kean Swan. Google shows that he is ex-MD of Red Island Cafe, a confirmed pyramid scheme and closed down.
I was kinda reluctant to share this because 2 friends are in there. I am not trying to break anyone's rice bowl but this scheme potentially will hurt a lot of other people cry.gif

Update:

Company behind surewin4u in Malaysia is a certain Dream Success International located at Taman Danau Desa.
Reported to BNM, going to report to kpdnkk

Founder's picture:
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Many more here (BEWARE, this is the website of the said scam): http://www.surewin4u.com/win000.htm

The club that is organising the talks: http://multiunitedclub.blogspot.com UPDATE: link is down and changed to something else

Seems like the company that is behind the website Surewin4u and Surewin4u mirror is:
Dream Success International Sdn Bhd

Address: 11-1-2, Jalan 3.109F
Taman Danau Desa
Kuala Lumpur - 58100
Kuala Lumpur
Contact: Reggie Tan
Email: tanhunjin@gmail.com

A quick search in facebook produced this user posted image

More info at Cari Forums (sorry in Chinese only):
http://cforum6.cari.com.my/forum.php?mod=v...ead&tid=3029612
http://cforum.cari.com.my/forum.php?mod=vi...=2985817&extra=

UPDATE 16th June 2014
I have made an official complaint to KPDNKK thanks to the dupe accounts saying that there are 130k people already being fooled. I have decided to escalate this further. If no action I will bring up this matter to other ministries

UPDATE 20th Oct 2014
News from Raymond T.
15 people lost 3 million ringgit
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post Jul 16 2013, 09:58 AM

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They do put up convincing pictures of cheques from Genting, Marina Sands. Up to 1million plus. All are winning cheques

However, even if they are to win a lot of money, there is certainly no accounting trail for them to pay you back the money.

They also have lots of people receiving mock cheques and such mounting up to 16mil HKD (around 8 mil RM)

Hope you guys can have good judgement and not to be swayed by greed on fast and easy money :/
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post Jul 16 2013, 03:56 PM

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It has less to do to a person being dumb and more towards a person being greedy.

For that short while in the loooonnngggg presentation, I actually contemplated to join. Just a very short while, and then I checked it is my greed talking

Just be careful, they might go under a few names but do check who is the founder: Ong Kean Swan
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post Jul 22 2013, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(ekoh @ Jul 21 2013, 01:25 AM)
The founder?

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That's the one bro...but the one who gave the talk wasn't him. I went to an invitation by a club...

http://multiunitedclub.blogspot.com/

Please dig more info guys!

QUOTE(thteong82 @ Jul 22 2013, 11:25 AM)
Go google more. There is some picture show them with a lot of money on the table and ready to distribute to members.

Few of my friends actually works with them. Travel around the whole world and staying at the high end hotels with casinos.

The plan seem  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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I saw the pictures too...if can please post here bro so I can update the thread

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post Jul 22 2013, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(skydrake @ Jul 22 2013, 04:51 PM)
I heard this from my friends also. 1st time seeing ppl share in LYN here. any more info to share?
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What info I have, already shared in first post...do you have any more?
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post Jul 22 2013, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(skydrake @ Jul 22 2013, 05:23 PM)
Did u participate?
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I went to the talk but I didn't join. Smelt the scam from a mile away. Did you?
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post Aug 12 2013, 12:53 PM

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In Malaysia, apa pun boleh. I really hope that people will see this scheme as what it really is. NOBODY can guarantee a 99.8% or 100% win in casino.
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post Oct 15 2013, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(conxtion @ Oct 15 2013, 03:06 AM)
Look at the number 99.8% win.

That is NOT a win !!  vmad.gif

It means you put in RM1 one hundred times, you only get back RM99.8.  It mean you SURE LOSE RM0.20 for every RM100 gambled !!!  rclxub.gif

Mathematicians, am I right to say this?  hmm.gif
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No, if 99.8% win means if u bet rm 1 one thousand times, you will win 998 times.

Means your capital rm 1,000, after one thousand times you will have rm 1,996

But don't believe, there is NO special formula to get that win percentage. The only way you can have that kind of advantage is that you CHEAT and if caught cheating, be prepared to face the law or be fed to the sharks
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post Oct 21 2013, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(yippie 13 @ Oct 21 2013, 01:20 PM)

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Why you asking so many times? Are you a member?
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post Oct 21 2013, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(yippie 13 @ Oct 21 2013, 01:33 PM)
No..how about you?
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If you have read the first post, I'm the one who started this thread

Do state what are you looking for here
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post Oct 24 2013, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(seborg @ Oct 23 2013, 09:58 PM)
Not scam. They have their way of winning using probability and technique. But not 100%.  but it won't last long and it is not ethnically.
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That's means they are lying about the way they earn money. Lying to ppl to get their money = scam in my book
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post Oct 25 2013, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(Ducki3s @ Oct 24 2013, 09:09 PM)
Tat day he won 800k in elite private room..
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Taiko still go up ah....thought you said you wanna quit heh...

Anyway, whatever he wins (or lose):

1. not confirmed that his formula is what he says it is
2. not confirmed that he is going to pass the money back to shareholders
3. not confirmed that he is going to share the losses if he does lose (not his money after all)
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post Oct 25 2013, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(yippie 13 @ Oct 25 2013, 02:32 PM)
Surewin is not a scam.Its break the rule because (unlicensed activity) but not break the law.Scam only run by a individual or small group of  member but Surewin is a teamwork force.It employ hundred of bettor which work on specific  time on local and oversea casino.
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This guy confirm member. Some more joined Oct 2013.

If it is unlicensed, then it is scam. Just look at Geneva Gold directors. If assets frozen then it will be bye bye money....
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post Dec 27 2013, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(Raymond T. @ Dec 26 2013, 04:54 PM)
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Nice one bro! Looks like my complaint to them worked. But the hard part is spreading this info to the general public
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post Mar 13 2014, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(rayzkie @ Mar 13 2014, 12:21 AM)
My friend just joined with 86K capital . Really all the best to him all i can say.
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Hope your friend get back some of the money before the govt close this down. Also they are blacklisted already for illegally collecting investment money
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post Apr 14 2014, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(cjsenai @ Apr 14 2014, 12:02 AM)
how come this company still survive since 2011... malaysia boleh
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Major songlap going on when the wife of the Perak Sultan is involved
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post Apr 28 2014, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(Shalom55 @ Apr 28 2014, 02:02 PM)
They are getting aggressive in JB now, was approached by friend yesterday!
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Do the right thing and report to

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post Jun 10 2014, 03:13 PM

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Here is your proof
http://www.bnm.gov.my/documents/2013/121113_FCA_en.pdf

also this link:
http://lunaticg.blogspot.com/2012/08/illeg...-under-bnm.html

See number 29

I would say those are ample proof. Now if you are member or you are from Surewin and has already invested the money, I would recommend you to withdraw all of them else your money might be stuck like Geneva Gold members

Eh this Denjor just joined today.....hi dupe

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post Jun 10 2014, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(Denjor @ Jun 10 2014, 03:40 PM)
Hi,
I am not concerned at all about how surewin get into the blacklist.
What i perceive is surewin is not taking illegal deposits from mbrs, coz upfront all are in mutual understadning that the sum we pay is for the course fee. What it offers is just a revolutionary idea that it is the first-of-its-kind courses that promise guaranteed return in some forms only.
Its main business line is EARN WHILE YOU LEARN? Isnt it? Whats wrong with that?
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Nothing wrong with EARN WHILE YOU LEARN. But it is ILLEGAL based on Bank Negara Malaysia.

If the law says it is illegal, then it is illegal. If Ong Kean Swan wants to challenge that, then can go to courts la. No point challenging it here because we have no authority to do so. I am just informing everyone that it is illegal based on BNM website and unless it is taken down or status changed, then in my books, it is illegal doesn't matter why or how.
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post Jun 13 2014, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(bep @ Jun 13 2014, 05:09 PM)
WAH, YOU R REALLY ANTI THEM.....
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Two of my friends invested in it and I consider them a victim. I don't want to let others fall into the trap.

If one of your family members or friends got cheated of their life savings, will you be angry?
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