You don't understand what is zero-sum, do you?

This post has been edited by kelvinlym: Jun 17 2014, 05:26 AM

Zero-sum means for every win, there will be an equal loss from somewhere. All casino games are created that way. I'm not sure how you can counter that with some fancy system. It is intrinsically built that way. The casino makes money through the law of large numbers. All games are designed to have a house edge. In the easiest laymen terms, it means that the risk you are putting up is not worth the rewards. It's like always betting on heads on a 60% tails, 40% heads coin, but getting paid at 1-1 odds. In baccarat, betting player has a house edge of roughly 1.2% while banker has a player's edge, but you pay commission on winning bets to the casino (in Genting, winning banker bets on total of 6 pays 50%). Unless you can somehow get away with paying the commission, there is no way to beat the game.

Unless you are saying that the entertainment and excitement you derive from casino games are considered as a win, then yeah, it is not zero-sum per se.

Same thing goes to forex. There is no value creation. One trades pairs of currency, and for every buy, there must be a sell. The only party winning is the broker who gets a cut from the trade either through the spread or fees.

If you still believe in this scheme and want to keep on investing, I can only wish you good luck and hope the numbers don't come back and bite you. At least you made a few friends along the way (hope they don't turn into your enemies later).

Ponzi is zero-sum too as there is no value creation. It seems surewin4u is going into retail, but usually in these kinda schemes, the product is overpriced and will only be bought by their own members. So it's just the same money churning in the system.

To be fair though, in the court of law, the burden of proof falls on the prosecutor.

Anyway, with the proof most of the level-minded forum members have put forward, the scheme members will never accept it.

There is firstly a leader, the members will worship that leader and will deem that he/she has amazing powers to share riches and prosperity, as long as the members keep getting new members and new funds in.

Level-minded individuals will then find out that it's not creating any value and any kind of system just does not stand up to logic. They will then start to advise others against the scheme.

Members will refute the claims, and deny any proof and reasoning. They will state that the naysayers do not understand the system, that they should come and see for yourself the miracles, and that the system is still paying, so it must be legit.

Soon, funds will dry up, the leader will abscond, and the rest of the members will lose their skin.

Rinse, repeat.

This is textbook ponzi/pyramid scheme. Always has been, always will be.

Come to think of it, this is also a reason why I don't believe in institutional religion.

Later when the leader absconds or (fingers crossed) get caught by authorities, the "victims" will come out of the woodworks and protest that Malaysia government broke their rice bowl.

After some time, the leader will be a free man again, and will start a new scheme.

Same ol' same ol'.

Dude, lay off the weed.

What's the secret winning formula? Double down after every losing bet? Fibonacci betting system? I've heard them all. lol.