hi aleune, where is the prove? can you show us?

Just bumped into this thread. Didn't read the beginning. But if I were to invent a baccarat method that yield 98%, I would sell my underwear and gamble myself. Why would I share my technique with the general public?

Stupid logic.

Don't explain to them anymore because they are all out not to hear or see.
These are trouble-makers out to spoil other people's livelihood.

You believe they are so civic-minded as to care for us not to be scammed?
They are trying their best to create rumours of scams to frighten us.

Then they will initiate their agenda to lead us into their network to scam us.

I have posted a reply at the site of yippie for all to read.

Don't waste time on them... they could not be your good downline... move on!

agree

Later when the leader absconds or (fingers crossed) get caught by authorities, the "victims" will come out of the woodworks and protest that Malaysia government broke their rice bowl.

After some time, the leader will be a free man again, and will start a new scheme.

Same ol' same ol'.

130k members will soon grow to millions, as proven by a certain gold scheme:

So you do not spin the top, and then how to know how it spins?

Had you joined, you could have recovered your capital in around 18 months.

They are now two years old (still going strong and no sign of scam yet), you could be earning many times more than your capital(s), should you have many friends joining as your downlines for the same single-mindeness purpose of earning a multiplier income.

So by working fast with your downlines who similarly have friends working for the same purpose, you could be having a huge multipication of downlines and incomes.

If you are an individualist with no friend, then don't ever join MLM sort of business. It will only give you painful memories. This is because when it becomes a scam or the authorities start investigation, you will not be able to wait for your ROI.

When a person has alot of capable business/money aggressive friends, it would be a great pity if he does not join the MLM.

In MLM, one will be able to earn many times the normal or super salary of workers in the traditional business environment. However, the good money earned are not at all easy because a lot of hard work and sleepless nights meeting potential downlines are involved.

These relentless efforts are needed to develop the said breakthrough income; an income which is a multiplier of traditional incomes.

Otherwise, it is very painful and fearful working in the MLM environment. This is because after so much pain, hardwork and self-motivation (blood, sweat and tears), there are also lots of negative people putting fear of scam around the person and his downlines. This is very de-motivating.

MLM veterans are not fools, but are super clever people; they are not worried or bothered about ponzi, pyramid, or money games .

MLM gives the veterans a platform to earn a living within their own budgetted time. Once they retrieve their capital from the bonuses, their risks are over and the rest are earnings.

If they could amass alot of downlines, the capital's total return could be achieved very fast, some within days or weeks which is well before the business becomes a scam or the authority's investigations.

They are well aware of all those negatives, but they move on! It's their job for many years and there is nothing better they could do. Despite fears, they must plod on before the scam or the authority's investigations step in.

For the sake of fheir children and family, they must face this brave new world fearlessly and with exemplary tolerance.

Therefore, this work are not suitable for retirees as some wrongly blogged that retirees are the main target.

Retirees are add-ons, so to speak because MLM is not about waiting for investment ROI.

Those bent on traditional employments are also not the veteran's choice.

Similarly, indivualists are also not thier choice.

But, all are acceptable add-ons. The must not blame their uplines, if they could not make it to their ROI when the unexpected or the unwanted happens.

It is all about real entrepreneurship, partnership, leadership and working with one mind.

All these needs speed in moving people, goods and money which are tiring and also dangerous work.

Hi Realnaive and denjor. If this thread is really spreading misleading information and lies about your company, why not report this thread? And also provide proof so that the moderator can decide whether the thread is appropriate. Or, make a police report. Those are much more civil and proper ways of handling this situation than to come here and argue with other forummers, calling them names, using improper words etc.

Arguing here is not gonna make this thread dissapear you know? Your prospective victim, ophs sorry I mean down line will still see this thread when they Google surewin4u. You commenting here will increase the post count and thus making sure that this thread stays as the first Google search result that shows up.

The ones defending this scheme are most likely astroturfers, so they won't come back crying.

Its kinda annoying to have someone who is too persistent in recruiting you to be a member of MLM.

Logic and reality : If I really know a "surewin" way of earning money, pfft I wont even share with anyone (maybe only close family members). I will use the "surewin" method to earn as many money as possible for myself. Call me selfish or whatever, but that's the truth. I think most people will do the same too.

one of my friend recently joined i think....by paying RM 25k to learn SURE win 97.5 % baccarat winning tips.......and he say can get back 25k with 11 month.....by returning 2-3k per month....lol...wtf is this shit.

Notice certain person erasing the older post. I wonder why?

there is no free lunch in this world. if cantonese saying (mou kam tai chek kap na chui kai thiu)..work harder guys..

Because the world continues to have a large group of people desperate for an easy way out to earn money, quick, easy.

They forgot, everything in this world has to come from hardwork.
We have to stand up and falls few times before we can walk.

If only people know that, anything that you can't get hold of, that you can't even own, it's not yours. It's only a dream.

You invest the money, you were only given promise. You don't own anything. When it's gone, it's gone.

It's funny how someone earlier comparing it investing in properties or put into Fixed Deposit. They don't even see the difference between something that's solidly yours and with this 'surewin' that nothing is theirs.