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post May 28 2013, 12:22 AM, updated 13y ago

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Fundsupermart.com (FSM) Malaysia is the online unit trust distribution arm of iFAST Capital Sdn Bhd ("iFAST Capital"). iFAST Capital is a subsidiary of iFAST-OSK Sdn Bhd. iFAST-OSK Sdn Bhd is an investment holding company and is a joint venture between Malaysia's OSK Investment Bank Berhad and iFAST Corporation Pte Ltd ("iFAST Corp").

iFAST Capital is a holder of a Capital Markets Services Licence (CMSL) and is licensed by the Securities Commission to conduct the following regulated activities:

- To deal in unit trusts
- To offer investment advisory services

iFAST Capital is also registered with the Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia (FiMM) as an Institutional Unit Trust Adviser (IUTA).



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1. Wide range of information
2. Extensive product range and value-added services
3. One of the cheapest Sales Charges in town! thumbup.gif


To keep discussions at this thread fruitful and constructive, it would be greatly appreciated that fellow investors try to look for answer to their queries at Frequently Asked Questions before posting here. icon_rolleyes.gif

What is unit trust?
Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia - Understanding Unit Trusts

Other FAQs on Fundsupermart.com and unit trust investing in general

1. NAV pricing and processing time
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2. The NAV price of the fund that I'm interested in is quite high now, should I stay away? Investment gurus always say "buy low, sell high"...
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3. Common misconceptions about unit trust dividends/distributions:

(i) After dividend distribution, NAV price will go down, the fund will become cheaper.
(ii) A fund that declares dividends is better than a fund that does not, dividends are my profit, they make me richer.

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(iii) Topping up my holdings after dividend distribution pulls down my cost per unit, lower cost = higher profit.
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(iv) Distribution = Income
QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 25 2013, 10:51 PM)
Ok so after dividend distribution, you get some additional units and NAV drops. Then after few weeks if fund perform well then NAV increases to the point where it is back to the NAV before distribution. Doesnt it mean you gain some income from distribution?
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 25 2013, 11:19 PM)
Then what's the point of dividend distribution since units and NAV price has negative correlation?
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4. Annual Management Charge, Trustee Fee and NAV pricing
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5. Return On Investment (ROI) vs Annualised Return, similar to Internal Rate of Return (IRR)
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yes, new thread....
after all the "RED" in the portfolio,...now is the time to start anew.
YEs...good luck and happy investing.
all sifu out there, come on in, help share your investing advise
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post May 28 2013, 12:39 AM

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Checking in version 3
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Versus my portfolio peak time (that was like begin of last week) and today, total drop is 1.5%. Scary...
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ May 28 2013, 12:48 AM)
Versus my portfolio peak time (that was like begin of last week) and today, total drop is 1.5%. Scary...
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Mine, almost 1% drop in a day, in line with global equities, slightly mitigated by bond funds which gained. Now who said "mutual funds are 'safer' than share investments"? brows.gif

Diversification + Hedging + Long-term horizon = Success in (relatively passive) UT investing icon_rolleyes.gif

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Any advice on topping up Amasia PR to average down? Or market will get worse?

Its the biggest portion of my UT.. sweat.gif
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Wahhh... Vers.3 already!!! thumbup.gif


All my holdings also drops this past few days... sweat.gif except for bond, mostly up lil by lil...

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ May 28 2013, 01:25 AM)
Any advice on topping up Amasia PR to average down? Or market will get worse?

Its the biggest portion of my UT.. sweat.gif
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FSM already advised to be wary of this fund after a strong run in 2012, u guys kept wanna "chase the leader" sleep.gif
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Damn, my "dacing" is shaking now.

Left side is CIMB Principal Australian Equity fund while right side is AmAsia Pacific REIT fund. Most funds are being hit lately with forex and equity volatility.
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Suffered an overall 1% drop to the portfolio value over the long weekend, mainly due to dives in AmAsia Pacific REITs and Hwang Asia Quantum
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My Amapac Reits drop 5% since the top march
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FSM CIS replied on Australian equity outlook:

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Our investment outlook is always long term ( 3- 5 years),  we do not normally time the market as the it tends to drive by sentiment and it is hardly predictable. Rather, our scope of research focused on the attractiveness of particular market or sector. We believe that market will normalize and reflect its true value in the long run.

As of 24 May 2013, the S&P/ASX 200 index trades at PEs of 15.2X, 13.6X and 12.5X based on the estimated earnings of FY2013, FY2014 and FY2015. Although the stock market is trading above its fair PE of 14X for FY2013, its  relatively high dividend yield (estimated at 4.55%) means that the market are posed to deliver a potential annualised returns (including dividend returns) at estimated 9% by end-2015. Hence, we still believe Australia Market is attractive though the upside potential will be relatively lower than the Asia ex-Japan Market.

Besides, it is advisable to develop a global diversified portfolio as markets which outperform their peers should help cushion or negate the markets which are lagging. If you perceive the Fund has met your investment goals, you may consider to cash out the profits and relocate to other funds that you believe have higher potential.


Main points are in the second paragraph.
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Yeah, AUS equities supported by one of the highest regional dividend yield.
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1st page of V3 started with a bang (RED).
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geeee,...my portfolio dropped 0.76%
worst drop was Hs Infrastucture 2.17% else the ponzi HSAQ was only 1.8%
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QUOTE(kenntan @ May 28 2013, 10:33 AM)
Checking in...newbie here
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invest already?

share with us your portfolio rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 28 2013, 07:31 AM)
FSM already advised to be wary of this fund after a strong run in 2012, u guys kept wanna "chase the leader" sleep.gif
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Sigh~ i am a big fan of reits on the bursa, thought to get REITs in other regions too, mana tau ini macam. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ May 28 2013, 11:20 AM)
Sigh~ i am a big fan of reits on the bursa, thought to get REITs in other regions too, mana tau ini macam.  sweat.gif
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Better to get Singapore REITS than Malaysia REITS. Not attractive at all.
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ May 28 2013, 11:20 AM)
Sigh~ i am a big fan of reits on the bursa, thought to get REITs in other regions too, mana tau ini macam.  sweat.gif
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REITs on Bursa also will drop mar

I holding AmAsia Pac REITs for about 9 months already, IRR 7%. Still comparable to DY + capital appreciation of local REITs ma
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QUOTE(TakoC @ May 28 2013, 11:55 AM)
Better to get Singapore REITS than Malaysia REITS. Not attractive at all.
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it was attractive in 2011 and 2012, on average the dividend can get 6%+.. now not so attractive already, coz capital appreciation biggrin.gif so those that bought previously will still be happy la (like me) laugh.gif

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 28 2013, 11:56 AM)
REITs on Bursa also will drop mar

I holding AmAsia Pac REITs for about 9 months already, IRR 7%. Still comparable to DY + capital appreciation of local REITs ma
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yup, i got enough of REITS on bursa liao.. my purpose was to diversify into other regions' reits via unit trust instead of buying from their stock exchange market.. its okay, hold dulu la.. UT is long term ma tongue.gif
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ May 28 2013, 04:06 PM)
it was attractive in 2011 and 2012, on average the dividend can get 6%+..  now not so attractive already, coz capital appreciation  biggrin.gif so those that bought previously will still be happy la (like me) laugh.gif
yup, i got enough of REITS on bursa liao.. my purpose was to diversify into other regions' reits via unit trust instead of buying from their stock exchange market.. its okay, hold dulu la.. UT is long term ma  tongue.gif
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hi pisces88,

I have one UT reit or asian region. OSKUOB-AREF - osk uob asian real estate fund launch 2007 till now no distribution declare.
Still hanging around 0.49 sen.
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QUOTE(felixmask @ May 28 2013, 04:14 PM)
hi pisces88,

  I have one UT reit or asian region. OSKUOB-AREF - osk uob asian real estate fund launch 2007 till now no distribution declare.
  Still hanging around 0.49 sen.
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sweat.gif aiyo kesian.. ok i takut to top up now the AMasia PR liao. haha..

what price did you bought in?
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ May 28 2013, 04:33 PM)
sweat.gif aiyo kesian.. ok i takut to top up now the AMasia PR liao. haha..

what price did you bought in?
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During launching 0.50,
I feedup can't online topup until recently available at maybank2u.
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Ohh.. today dropped even further =P

All red red.
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No one topped up yesterday/today? I topped up Pacific GSF, no movement between Thursday and yesterday, stagnant thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 28 2013, 05:18 PM)
No one topped up yesterday/today? I topped up Pacific GSF, no movement between Thursday and yesterday, stagnant thumbup.gif
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wait for payday, payday.coming soon
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QUOTE(yklooi @ May 28 2013, 05:23 PM)
wait for payday, payday.coming soon
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Unker Looi, lu bukan retired meh? apa pay lagi? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 28 2013, 05:24 PM)
Unker Looi, lu bukan retired meh? apa pay lagi? hmm.gif
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my pay day is when i got some $$ from bank...same like most working people

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QUOTE(yklooi @ May 28 2013, 05:26 PM)
my pay day is when i got some $$ from bank...same like most working people
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pink you are asked for advise in
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2826198/+0#entry60658913

by johnL77 Today, 04:07 PM


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QUOTE(yklooi @ May 28 2013, 05:28 PM)
pink you are asked for advise in
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2826198/+0#entry60658913

by johnL77 Today, 04:07 PM
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Wah u sudah jadi my secretary laugh.gif

tonite baru see, now finishing work to go off sharp at 6 tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 28 2013, 05:32 PM)
Wah u sudah jadi my secretary laugh.gif
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i just wan to kay poh.......
see what u advise
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 28 2013, 12:22 AM)
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Fundsupermart.com (FSM) Malaysia is the online unit trust distribution arm of iFAST Capital Sdn Bhd ("iFAST Capital"). iFAST Capital is a subsidiary of iFAST-OSK Sdn Bhd. iFAST-OSK Sdn Bhd is an investment holding company and is a joint venture between Malaysia's OSK Investment Bank Berhad and iFAST Corporation Pte Ltd ("iFAST Corp").

iFAST Capital is a holder of a Capital Markets Services Licence (CMSL) and is licensed by the Securities Commission to conduct the following regulated activities:

- To deal in unit trusts
- To offer investment advisory services

iFAST Capital is also registered with the Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia (FiMM) as an Institutional Unit Trust Adviser (IUTA).

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1. Wide range of information
2. Extensive product range and value-added services
3. One of the cheapest Sales Charges in town! thumbup.gif
To keep discussions at this thread fruitful and constructive, it would be greatly appreciated that fellow investors try to look for answer to their queries at Frequently Asked Questions before posting here. icon_rolleyes.gif

Other FAQs on Fundsupermart.com and unit trusts in general

1. NAV pricing and processing time
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


2. The NAV price of the fund that I'm interested in is quite high now, should I stay away? Investment gurus always say "buy low, sell high"...
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3. Common misconceptions about unit trust dividends/distributions:

(i) After dividend distribution, NAV price will go down, the fund will become cheaper.
(ii) A fund that declares dividends is better than a fund that does not, dividends are my profit, they make me richer.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


(iii) Topping up my holdings after dividend distribution pulls down my cost per unit, lower cost = higher profit.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


(iv) Distribution = Income

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4. Annual Management Charge, Trustee Fee and NAV pricing
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Link to v1
Link to v2

Happy investing! rclxms.gif

Disclaimer -
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 28 2013, 06:27 PM)
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must be alot lei until can sustain whole family on the interest.. haha
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Asia stock except Taiwan up, up, up
Euro stocks currently also up, up, up

icon_idea.gif rclxm9.gif time to pick ....cos the 1% promotion ending in the next 2 days.

hmm.gif never thought that HSel Bal could drop abt 1% this few days.
it is a balanced fund....cos my Ponzi HSAQ dropped just 1.8%
geee, must be some assets in the Bal fund that is VERY volatile. sweat.gif mad.gif



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QUOTE(yklooi @ May 28 2013, 08:41 PM)
Asia stock except Taiwan up, up, up
Euro stocks currently also up, up, up

icon_idea.gif  rclxm9.gif time to pick ....cos the 1% promotion ending in the next 2 days.

hmm.gif never thought that HSel Bal could drop abt 1% this few days.
it is a balanced fund....cos my Ponzi HSAQ dropped just 1.8%
geee, must be some assets in the Bal fund that is VERY volatile. sweat.gif  mad.gif
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i tot 1% SC for Malaysia funds ny....

anyways any recommendation... blink.gif
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QUOTE(marketstore @ May 28 2013, 09:00 PM)
i tot 1% SC for Malaysia funds ny....

anyways any recommendation... blink.gif
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what is lacking in yr portfolio?
what is yr risk appetite?
for hit & run on profits or long term?

then you hv to see what the REAL sifus hinted on this threads.
hmm.gif as for me....i think of getting into HS bal..... brows.gif
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i am heavily Malaysian fund invested...almost 80%...
my port folio is 70/30
interested in long term....looking for FI/Balanced
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actually i have a beneficiary account right now....just open a personal account for my PRS..wonder do i get the offer 1% SC for a month still tongue.gif tongue.gif since i just open a personal acc

kaka23 whats your experience

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QUOTE(marketstore @ May 28 2013, 10:20 PM)
actually i have a beneficiary account right now....just open a personal account for my PRS..wonder do i get the offer 1% SC for a month still  tongue.gif  tongue.gif since i just open a personal acc

kaka23 whats your experience
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yes, you will enjoy 1%sc for the new personal account.
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thats good news rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(marketstore @ May 28 2013, 10:38 PM)
thats good news  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
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Which prs you getting?
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ May 28 2013, 09:44 PM)
Which prs you getting?
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hwang growth fund.....you leh
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QUOTE(marketstore @ May 28 2013, 09:46 PM)
hwang growth fund.....you leh
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i also looking at that, will do it next month biggrin.gif

by the way, do you know whether we can have have multiple PRS at the same time? should be okay right, since its voluntary?

maybe i will take 50% growth, 50% moderate
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ May 28 2013, 09:59 PM)
by the way, do you know whether we can have have multiple PRS at the same time? should be okay right, since its voluntary?

maybe i will take 50% growth, 50% moderate
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looks like you can hv multiple prs
see....page 5
http://www.sc.com.my/eng/html/ppa/PRS_booklet_web.pdf
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QUOTE(marketstore @ May 28 2013, 10:46 PM)
hwang growth fund.....you leh
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Same as me.

What fund you want to invest to ulitilse the 1%sc on your personal account?
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ May 28 2013, 10:08 PM)
Same as me.

What fund you want to invest to ulitilse the 1%sc on your personal account?
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thats the one i also dont know yet..any recomendation
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QUOTE(yklooi @ May 28 2013, 10:05 PM)
looks like you can hv multiple prs
see....page 5
http://www.sc.com.my/eng/html/ppa/PRS_booklet_web.pdf
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ah good, then i take growth fund in june, and moderate fund in november. biggrin.gif
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i was thinking of buying H sel Bal to take advantage of the 1% Sc......then later (if needed) do intra switch into others hwang's fund that normally hv 2%Sc....save on 1%SC?? what you think?
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QUOTE(yklooi @ May 28 2013, 11:52 PM)
i was thinking of buying H sel Bal to take advantage of the 1% Sc......then later (if needed) do intra switch into others hwang's fund that normally hv 2%Sc....save on 1%SC?? what you think?
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Yup, a good idea..
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Wah, now talking about PRS in this thread ar? Thought this is a FSM thread?

Anyway, I have been actively contributing to Hwang-PRS since its inception.

Its return has exceeded my expectation. I am slowly but surely transferring my normal cash only UT into PRS due to the zero sales charge and tax exempted distribution status.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ May 28 2013, 11:02 PM)
Wah, now talking about PRS in this thread ar? Thought this is a FSM thread?

Anyway, I have been actively contributing to Hwang-PRS since its inception.

Its return has exceeded my expectation. I am slowly but surely transferring my normal cash only UT into PRS due to the zero sales charge and tax exempted distribution status.

Xuzen
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FSM also offer PRS ma rite?
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QUOTE(aoisky @ May 28 2013, 11:15 PM)
FSM also offer PRS ma rite?
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Wah, now talking about PRS in this thread ar? Thought this is a FSM thread?

Anyway, I have been actively contributing to Hwang-PRS since its inception.

Its return has exceeded my expectation. I am slowly but surely transferring my normal cash only UT into PRS due to the zero sales charge and tax exempted distribution status.

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FSM also distributing PRS funds ma icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(xuzen @ May 29 2013, 12:02 AM)
Wah, now talking about PRS in this thread ar? Thought this is a FSM thread?

Anyway, I have been actively contributing to Hwang-PRS since its inception.

Its return has exceeded my expectation. I am slowly but surely transferring my normal cash only UT into PRS due to the zero sales charge and tax exempted distribution status.

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your plan is to put more than 3K/year in your PRS?
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Hoping to pass my PRS xm last week. rclxm9.gif

Cant wait to distribute services.

I hope this PRS thingy wont end up like annuity last time.
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Hoping to pass my PRS xm last week. rclxm9.gif

Cant wait to distribute services.

I hope this PRS thingy wont end up like annuity last time.
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Hoping to pass my PRS xm last week. rclxm9.gif

Cant wait to distribute services.

I hope this PRS thingy wont end up like annuity last time.
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Fund Houses need to aggressively promote it, and offer more choices of PRS funds. icon_idea.gif
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You guys invest in PRS due to tax exemption benefit?

People without any tax deduction in Malaysia invest in UTs should be ok hor?
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your plan is to put more than 3K/year in your PRS?
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3k a month sound more right. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ May 29 2013, 08:57 AM)
Good luck bro
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Fund Houses need to aggressively promote it, and offer more choices of PRS funds. icon_idea.gif
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Just offer the best fund for these three categories;

Growth Fund
Moderate Fund
Conservative fund

Sufficient enough

At least two funds each. No need to diversify over diversify.

Pening kepala. The investment itself already diversified to 10-20 counters.

IMO.
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QUOTE(mois @ May 29 2013, 09:23 AM)
3K a year is too little for him laugh.gif
3k a month sound more right.  thumbup.gif
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Already putting RM 1,500 per mth since inception.

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PGSF dropped further. Currently holding AmDynamic, HwangSAQ and PGSF. What's to cover next, Pink? Asia, Global equity covered.
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PGSF dropped further. Currently holding AmDynamic, HwangSAQ and PGSF. What's to cover next, Pink? Asia, Global equity covered.
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PGSF dropped further. Currently holding AmDynamic, HwangSAQ and PGSF. What's to cover next, Pink? Asia, Global equity covered.
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Emerging Markets, preferably a fund that also covers "frontier markets". Eastspring Investments GEM good enough for me. Volatility is high, but rewarding enough.

With PGSF as global fund, u are short on European equities. Many great multinationals are based at Europe, bear in mind. BMW, adidas, BNP Paribas, just to name a few.

QUOTE(hafiez @ May 29 2013, 09:26 AM)
Just offer the best fund for these three categories;

Growth Fund
Moderate Fund
Conservative fund

Sufficient enough

At least two funds each. No need to diversify over diversify.

Pening kepala. The investment itself already diversified to 10-20 counters.

IMO.
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Yeah, 2 (1 Shariah-compliant, 1 conventional) for each category. And make sure continuously market PRS as an alternative to UTs.

But I find that even the most aggressive PRS fund is not globally diversified enough.

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Emerging Markets, preferably a fund that also covers "frontier markets". Eastspring Investments GEM good enough for me. Volatility is high, but rewarding enough.

With PGSF as global fund, u are short on European equities. Many great multinationals are based at Europe, bear in mind. BMW, adidas, BNP Paribas, just to name a few.
Yeah, 2 (1 Shariah-compliant, 1 conventional) for each category. And make sure continuously market PRS as an alternative to UTs.

But I find that even the most aggressive PRS fund is not globally diversified enough.
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Just additional from my previous comment;

If want to diversify, u can make contribution more than one PRS Provider.
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Just additional from my previous comment;

If want to diversify, u can make contribution more than one PRS Provider.
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I want exposure to Brazil, Russia, South Africa, Philippines, etc, which PRS provider has PRS fund that got exposure to Emerging Markets? Tell me! laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 29 2013, 10:05 AM)
Emerging Markets, preferably a fund that also covers "frontier markets". Eastspring Investments GEM good enough for me. Volatility is high, but rewarding enough.

With PGSF as global fund, u are short on European equities. Many great multinationals are based at Europe, bear in mind. BMW, adidas, BNP Paribas, just to name a few.
Yeah, 2 (1 Shariah-compliant, 1 conventional) for each category. And make sure continuously market PRS as an alternative to UTs.

But I find that even the most aggressive PRS fund is not globally diversified enough.
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Like what Ben said, what are the funds covering large cap? For European equties, what fund covers them?

The reason why I delay GEM is cause it's volatile like you mentioned.

I'm thinking whether to top up my existing fund (PGSF) or to buy in new funds to be more exposed.
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Ah ha,

As at today, im still studying those funds asset allocation and focusing in-house funds first.

I still have yet to peek on my competitors.
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Like what Ben said, what are the funds covering large cap? For European equties, what fund covers them?

The reason why I delay GEM is cause it's volatile like you mentioned.

I'm thinking whether to top up my existing fund (PGSF) or to buy in new funds to be more exposed.
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Alliance global equities, EI global leaders MY is considered big cap i believe. AGE quite diversed, EI GL is like 50% US. European i dont know biggrin.gif Sifu Pink will give better opinion than my 2 cents haha..
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Like what Ben said, what are the funds covering large cap? For European equties, what fund covers them?

The reason why I delay GEM is cause it's volatile like you mentioned.

I'm thinking whether to top up my existing fund (PGSF) or to buy in new funds to be more exposed.
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(1) OSK-UOB GEY, Eastspring Investments Global Leaders, Alliance Global Equities, TA European Equity

(2) Buy as smaller % of your portfolio lo, u need not put as much 1/4 of your equity portion on GEM like me
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Eastspring Investment Global Leaders is the fund which FSM introduced to me. But I went for PGSF.

Oh, my HwangSAQ dropped 2.x%
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@Hafiez,

Which PRS provider will you be attached to?

I got my PRSC last mth from Hwang.

Pink-S, is so orgasmic about global exposure but I wonder whether he knows that their Risk Adjusted Performance tend to be sub-par to Asia-Pac funds or not?

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Pink-S, is so orgasmic about global exposure but I wonder whether he knows that their Risk Adjusted Performance tend to be sub-par to Asia-Pac funds or not?

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The past does not necessarily repeat in the future tongue.gif

It's a risk I'm willing to take, caveat emptor mar nod.gif
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my UOB OSK EM bond fund rugi, rugi RM7....noooooo
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my UOB OSK EM bond fund rugi, rugi RM7....noooooo
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RM7 saja.. lol  whistling.gif
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After change my portfolio from 70/30 to 50/50, volatility increased greatly, often RM100+/- up down in a day sweat.gif
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QUOTE(TakoC @ May 29 2013, 12:35 PM)
dusk *blow* consider as additional SC  tongue.gif
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http://www.fundsupermart.com/main/research...?articleNo=8279

when will this come to us ?? icon_question.gif This make me stop topping up into fsm MY for sometimes already as I see the return is much more greater from them

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i copycat the angelina jolie cut,cut.
no, i did not cut my "boos"...got nothing to cut....some fats maybe
just cut my "potential default" RHB Bond, switched to HS Balanced.
Lost 0.4%Exit fees + 1% Sc to HSB.
1st UT trade lost 1.4% liao.
more to come....i suppose

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QUOTE(yck1987 @ May 29 2013, 02:10 PM)
http://www.fundsupermart.com/main/research...?articleNo=8279

when will this come to us ??  icon_question.gif This make me stop topping up into fsm MY for sometimes already as I see the return is much more greater from them
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hmm.gif but do you know that they have this so call "Platform fees" which is "worst" on the long term.
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QUOTE(yck1987 @ May 29 2013, 02:10 PM)
http://www.fundsupermart.com/main/research...?articleNo=8279

when will this come to us ??  icon_question.gif This make me stop topping up into fsm MY for sometimes already as I see the return is much more greater from them
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http://www.fundsupermart.com/main/fundinfo...olnumber=ABCHOP

Even though cheaper/no SC, but Singapore they have this:

Platform Fee (as % of AUM):
0.125% per quarter (Cash/SRS investment only)


That's 0.5% ADDITIONAL fees per annum. 4 years of PF = 2%, your "savings" in SC will go there. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ May 29 2013, 02:11 PM)
i copycat the angelina jolie cut,cut.
no, i did not cut my "boos"...got nothing to cut....some fats maybe
just cut my "potential default" RHB Bond, switched to HS Balanced.
Lost 0.4%Exit fees + 1% Sc to HSB.
1st UT trade lost 1.4% liao.
more to come....i suppose
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U don't TRADE UT, u INVEST in UTs.

That's why I always emphasise, pick the right funds, keep them come rain or shine unless there is some major change at fund management team and/or fund investment style/mandate.

Buy and hold is especially relevant to UT investing esp due to the SC + annual management fees.

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 29 2013, 02:16 PM)
http://www.fundsupermart.com/main/fundinfo...olnumber=ABCHOP

Even though cheaper/no SC, but Singapore they have this:

Platform Fee (as % of AUM):
0.125% per quarter (Cash/SRS investment only)


That's 0.5% ADDITIONAL fees per annum. 4 years of PF = 2%, your "savings" in SC will go there. whistling.gif
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lol.. thats why I don't open FSM SG. see platform fee sian already. I use other alternative =P
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lol.. thats why I don't open FSM SG. see platform fee sian already. I use other alternative =P
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still have better platform? mind to share with me ?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 29 2013, 02:17 PM)
That's why I always emphasise, pick the right funds, keep them come rain or shine unless there is some major change at fund management team and/or fund investment style/mandate.
Buy and hold is especially relevant to UT investing esp due to the SC + annual management fees.
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saw this on the web,...which i think is ok to follow, rclxms.gif
Monitor, Monitor, Monitor
Once you have your portfolio built up, you don’t stop there. You will have to monitor the performance and re-evaluate your portfolio mix as you pass through different stages of your life and as your circumstances change. You will have to adjust your portfolio holdings to suit your changing needs. This will be a continuous cycle as long as you continue to invest. With discipline and suitable investment strategy, you will find that your investment portfolio will help you to achieve your financial goals which once seemed so distant.

hmm.gif i guess, if cannot bear the SC and some losses, don't invest, go keep $$ in FD in bank with PIDM coverage...and see that the $$ got eaten away buy inflation
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so, as a newbie, shall i open the account and grab the new account benefit or wait for they lower SC next month
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so, as a newbie, shall i open the account and grab the new account benefit or wait for they lower SC next month
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FSM m'sia got lower SC next month meh?
i thought the lower SC (1%SC for m'sia eq & Bond funds promotion) is ending 31 May 2013

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so, as a newbie, shall i open the account and grab the new account benefit or wait for they lower SC next month
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Some sifu said that, the best time to invest is NOW.

Bcos, u wait for this to happen, that to happen, what if what u been watiing for did not happen at all? Time lost. wink.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 29 2013, 02:43 PM)
Some sifu said that, the best time to invest is NOW.

Bcos, u wait for this to happen, that to happen, what if what u been watiing for did not happen at all? Time lost. wink.gif
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Hi mind share whose your Sifu ?
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QUOTE(yck1987 @ May 29 2013, 02:26 PM)
still have better platform? mind to share with me ?
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Dollardex. I still prefer they way how FSM present their analysis and facts.
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Dollardex. I still prefer they way how FSM present their analysis and facts.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 29 2013, 02:43 PM)
Some sifu said that, the best time to invest is NOW.

Bcos, u wait for this to happen, that to happen, what if what u been watiing for did not happen at all? Time lost. wink.gif
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In short opportunity cost smile.gif
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Hi mind share whose your Sifu ?
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Forgot la, it's some big name investment sifu lar, entah Buffett or Gross or who liao tongue.gif

QUOTE(TakoC @ May 29 2013, 03:04 PM)
In short opportunity cost smile.gif
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ May 29 2013, 02:54 PM)
Dollardex. I still prefer they way how FSM present their analysis and facts.
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Well, u want service, u gotta pay for it icon_rolleyes.gif

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Is it a good time to invest?
Every market timer believes that if he sits patiently on the sidelines, he will get a better opportunity to buy stocks at lower prices.
And they often do. Unfortunately, they generally get to feeling so good about missing the downdraft that they convince themselves that the market will keep falling.
And, again, if often does. Until, of course, it doesn’t.
As the market climbs, they begin to rationalize that this is just “a bear market rally” or “a dead-cat bounce.” Until it becomes obvious that the train left the station and they’re still standing on the platform.

gee, i am not the author....
the real author is
by Alexander Green, Investment U Chief Investment Strategist
Monday, January 7, 2013: Issue #1942
read more at
http://www.investmentu.com/2013/January/go...-in-stocks.html
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Uncle Looi really free until doing in-depth research online sweat.gif notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 29 2013, 03:31 PM)
Uncle Looi really free until doing in-depth research online sweat.gif notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(xuzen @ May 29 2013, 10:35 AM)
@Hafiez,

Which PRS provider will you be attached to?

I got my PRSC last mth from Hwang.

Pink-S, is so orgasmic about global exposure but I wonder whether he knows that their Risk Adjusted Performance tend to be sub-par to Asia-Pac funds or not?

Xuzen
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 29 2013, 02:01 PM)
After change my portfolio from 70/30 to 50/50, volatility increased greatly, often RM100+/- up down in a day sweat.gif
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RM100 +/- a day still considered not that volatile leh. Mine last week alone down 6k. Up until today up 4k. Total still rm2k paper loss. cry.gif
Imagine those multi millionaires, 1% swing can gain/loss RM10k. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(mois @ May 29 2013, 05:25 PM)
RM100 +/- a day still considered not that volatile leh. Mine last week alone down 6k. Up until today up 4k. Total still rm2k paper loss.  cry.gif
Imagine those multi millionaires, 1% swing can gain/loss RM10k.  laugh.gif
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Bro.. you also millionaire already, haha...
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Yea lor, loss more than RM100 a day is painful nia for multi-thousandaires like us cry.gif

yea I know 1 nite at pub easily more than that tongue.gif

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QUOTE(mois @ May 29 2013, 04:25 PM)
RM100 +/- a day still considered not that volatile leh. Mine last week alone down 6k. Up until today up 4k. Total still rm2k paper loss.  cry.gif
Imagine those multi millionaires, 1% swing can gain/loss RM10k.  laugh.gif
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Huii, banyak.

This week alone half a mil need to let go.

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Then re-invest.
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QUOTE(mois @ May 29 2013, 04:25 PM)
RM100 +/- a day still considered not that volatile leh. Mine last week alone down 6k. Up until today up 4k. Total still rm2k paper loss.  cry.gif
Imagine those multi millionaires, 1% swing can gain/loss RM10k.  laugh.gif
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Big shark spotted.
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Tomorrow update NAV gonna be another ang ang red red day laugh.gif

Hang Seng and STI red, Europe also starting in red doh.gif
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sorry for the silly question...

1) Anybody know FSM company is from which country?
2) How long have FSM been operating?
3) When I buy unit trust via FSM online, would there be any charges that pay to the agent? (e.g. Public Mutual online pay some commission to an agent for don-know-do-what purpose)
4) Can forumer share whether they make profit so far? or lost?

Thanks
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 29 2013, 05:44 PM)
Tomorrow update NAV gonna be another ang ang red red day laugh.gif

Hang Seng and STI red, Europe also starting in red doh.gif
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QUOTE(arthurlwf @ May 29 2013, 05:46 PM)
sorry for the silly question...

1) Anybody know FSM company is from which country?
2) How long have FSM been operating?
3) When I buy unit trust via FSM online, would there be any charges that pay to the agent? (e.g. Public Mutual online pay some commission to an agent for don-know-do-what purpose)
4) Can forumer share whether they make profit so far? or lost?

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http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/home/aboutUs.tpl?

1) Started from Singapore. Pls visit FSM website to read
2) As above
3) FSM has NO AGENT
4) Profiting at rate of 6% p.a. annualised wink.gif Whether u buy from FSM or bank or agent like PM, EVERYTHING is the same except for the Sales Charge

QUOTE(TakoC @ May 29 2013, 05:46 PM)
Any sifu topping up tomorrow? biggrin.gif
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Maybe will top up AmAsia Pacific REITs...RM100 tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 29 2013, 05:48 PM)
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/home/aboutUs.tpl?

1) Started from Singapore. Pls visit FSM website to read
2) As above
3) FSM has NO AGENT
4) Profiting at rate of 6% p.a. annualised wink.gif Whether u buy from FSM or bank or agent like PM, EVERYTHING is the same except for the Sales Charge
Maybe will top up AmAsia Pacific REITs...RM100 tongue.gif
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Thinking to top up a little bit in PGSF a not too. Continuously dropping a lot for the past days.

You're in this together with me, brah.
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Thinking to top up a little bit in PGSF a not too. Continuously dropping a lot for the past days.

You're in this together with me, brah.
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http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/home/aboutUs.tpl?

1) Started from Singapore. Pls visit FSM website to read
2) As above
3) FSM has NO AGENT
4) Profiting at rate of 6% p.a. annualised wink.gif Whether u buy from FSM or bank or agent like PM, EVERYTHING is the same except for the Sales Charge
Maybe will top up AmAsia Pacific REITs...RM100 tongue.gif
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For the sales charge, does anybody have a comparison of the charges across all the unit trust company??
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 29 2013, 05:56 PM)
Target | Current
OSK-UOB GEY 24% | 23.8%
Pacific GSF 12% | 12.1%

Cannot top up at the moment laugh.gif
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doh.gif

Forgotten about your rebalancing portfolio.

I'm not sure if I should be topping up funds which I will be selling off as soon as it hits my targeted profit (~6% nett), or Global Leaders.

Or maybe KidsSave which will affect my portfolio balance.

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 29 2013, 05:56 PM)
Target | Current
OSK-UOB GEY 24% | 23.8%
Pacific GSF 12% | 12.1%

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i read your may 16 pdf, any updated one? brows.gif
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Any sifu topping up tomorrow? biggrin.gif
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Top up what? Let me guess, Select Asia Quantum whistling.gif

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Me end of the month.. gaji out on 31st  vmad.gif
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Top up what? Let me guess, Select Asia Quantum  whistling.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 29 2013, 05:48 PM)
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/home/aboutUs.tpl?

1) Started from Singapore. Pls visit FSM website to read
2) As above
3) FSM has NO AGENT
4) Profiting at rate of 6% p.a. annualised wink.gif Whether u buy from FSM or bank or agent like PM, EVERYTHING is the same except for the Sales Charge
Maybe will top up AmAsia Pacific REITs...RM100 tongue.gif
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i read your may 16 pdf, any updated one? brows.gif
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Portfolio structure remains the same, performance-wise AmAsia Pacific REITs' IRR dropped drastically to 7%, that's all. The rest not much changed.

I'm considering to drop Eastspring Investments Asia Pacific Shariah in favour of Hwang Select Opportunity, waiting for either or both of these scenario to happen:
(1) Significant drop in China, Korea and Russia
(2) KLSE correction
then I'd intra switch all my units in EIAPS to EI Global Emerging Markets, and buy into Hwang Select Opportunity using cash.

But might change my mind if I can find more stocks to add on to my local stock portfolio, in which case I'd keep my UT portfolio unchanged to protect against over-exposure to Malaysian equities.

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RM7 saja.. lol  whistling.gif
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i put the money since Aprl 2012, now rugi RM7, adui....better put sukuk, got guarantee 6.5%  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif
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I bet it must be 1 lump sum, u did not top up on corrections.
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I bet it must be 1 lump sum, u did not top up on corrections.
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say i got 10 funds
when the time for me to top up i notice 8 red and 2 green
i cant top up all funds every months...not enough cash...
do you think its wiser to top up the red funds only every month or still stick to topping up first three this month then next three next month
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ya, i am on public bank, FSM only maybank, i duwan transaction charge every month sob =(
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ya, i am on public bank, FSM only maybank, i duwan transaction charge every month sob =(
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AmDynamic up 0.31%, hehe...
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AmDynamic up 0.31%, hehe...
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All other funds also flew, but I expect hell tomorrow when update NAV for today laugh.gif
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QUOTE(marketstore @ May 29 2013, 09:33 PM)
say i got 10 funds
when the time for me to top up i notice 8 red and 2 green
i cant top up all funds every months...not enough cash...
do you think its wiser to top up the red funds only every month or still stick to topping up first three this month then next three next month
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hmm.gif what is the funds??? are they on the down trends already?? ex..gold or China funds had been down for some time...thus, imagine all the topping had not helped....but got you deeper...they will come back...but when?
best is must have a "STOP" cap...setting a low limits for SELL call
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hmm.gif  what is the funds??? are they on the down trends already?? ex..gold or China funds had been down for some time...thus, imagine all the topping had not helped....but got you  deeper...they will come back...but when?
best is must have a "STOP" cap...setting a low limits for SELL call
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just join last month ny
so far mostly red as of SC
haven top up yet....
next month first time topping up....
i ll try to do a pie chart like pinky soon and ill post it up...
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just join last month ny
so far mostly red as of SC
haven top up yet....
next month first time topping up....
i ll try to do a pie chart like pinky soon and ill post it up...
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Back in the old days before online UT investing when SCs range from 3-6%, ppl dun expect to profit within the first year or so. Don't expect wonders too soon.
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i know it takes time....just like my public mutual...
so since its my first top up any advice on how to top up
i taught of topping up all the red ones so i can buy now at cheaper price than i bought to average it down..
when my funds are like 80% green then i ll top up like 3 this month and 3 next month by sequence
and every quater re balance to 70/30...
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QUOTE(marketstore @ May 29 2013, 11:16 PM)
i know it takes time....just like my public mutual...
so since its my first top up any advice on how to top up
i taught of topping up all the red ones so i can buy now at cheaper price than i bought to average it down..
when my funds are like 80% green then i ll top up like 3 this month and 3 next month by sequence
and every quater re balance to 70/30...
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diff ppl, diff preference. I'd top up on the laggards, and let the winners run. But always maintain my target allocation % for each fund.
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QUOTE(marketstore @ May 29 2013, 11:16 PM)
i know it takes time....just like my public mutual...
so since its my first top up any advice on how to top up
i taught of topping up all the red ones so i can buy now at cheaper price than i bought to average it down..
when my funds are like 80% green then i ll top up like 3 this month and 3 next month by sequence
and every quater re balance to 70/30...
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cannot top up based on green / red ler..
mind to share what funds u r holding which in red zone and which is in green ?
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lately realized that this AmAsiaPac REIT keep on dropping? anybody knows what is the underlying cause? is this likely to be reversible? advisable to switch out? thanks again for any input...
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cannot top up based on green / red ler..
mind to share what funds u r holding which in red zone and which is in green ?
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dear al
lately realized that this AmAsiaPac REIT keep on dropping? anybody knows what is the underlying cause? is this likely to be reversible? advisable to switch out? thanks again for any input...
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U think it's a Ponzi meh...it has to fall a bit somehow...
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Back then during 2010/11, I'm seeing red in excess of 10%, some even up to 20%. Top up to re-balance when u see great disparity (e.g. Fund A +5%, Fund B -11%), your portfolio is still in order IMHO.
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4% ONLY doh.gif

Back then during 2010/11, I'm seeing red in excess of 10%, some even up to 20%. Top up to re-balance when u see great disparity (e.g. Fund A +5%, Fund B -11%), your portfolio is still in order IMHO.
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baru join only ma....
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Sometimes, overdoing is worse than doing nothing. wink.gif

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baru join only ma....
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i see. u just join FSM and bought all these fund lately ka ? if so overall still not too bad la. patient bro you can either do DCA / VCA to average down your red or increase ur existing green units.
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baru join only ma....
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HSAQ 9+2%sc =11% up in 1 mth? rclxub.gif
mine is 3 weeks old and it is still RED

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QUOTE(yklooi @ May 29 2013, 11:55 PM)
HSAQ 9+2%sc =11% up in 1 mth? rclxub.gif
mine is 3 weeks old and it is still RED
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Unker Looi, GE was on 505, for the past 1 month, it started with large cap/blue chips rally, then small caps took over, hence the strong performance of HSAQ and OSK-UOB EOUT.

U already missed the pre-GE discount boat laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 30 2013, 12:00 AM)
Unker Looi, GE was on 505, for the past 1 month, it started with large cap/blue chips rally, then small caps took over, hence the strong performance of HSAQ and OSK-UOB EOUT.

U already missed the pre-GE discount boat laugh.gif
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Yesterday my portfolio went back to all time hight in terms of value... Hehe
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Yesterday my portfolio went back to all time hight in terms of value... Hehe
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 30 2013, 08:45 AM)
Brace yourself for 5PM today...red red red brows.gif
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Yea, this morning Japan and Aus open in red.
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It got me thinking...

In my equity portion, Hwang SAQ is a high flyer, no matter how hard I try to boost the "laggards", SAQ still managed to out-fly the rest. How ar hmm.gif

If continue like this, I'd be topping up the laggards every time sweat.gif

QUOTE(wayne84 @ May 30 2013, 08:47 AM)
Yea uncle looi....3-5 month can get 15-16% up..somemore excluding sales charge..  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ May 30 2013, 08:52 AM)
Yea, this morning Japan and Aus open in red.
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Top up top up icon_idea.gif

Japan and Sinkapo down, should be good to top up AmAsia Pac REITs hmm.gif

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ May 30 2013, 08:52 AM)
Yea, this morning Japan and Aus open in red.
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yo hoh, hoh, rclxm9.gif rclxms.gif thumbup.gif
my HSAQ up 2.31%,...yesterday was -3.22% now STILL - 0.91%...
today i am HAPPY MAN, HAPPY MAN,...hopefully still the same man after 5PM fund updates...he-he....
just enjoy this few hours 1st.
have a nice day everyone. be a happy man rclxm9.gif icon_idea.gif

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It got me thinking...
In my equity portion, Hwang SAQ is a high flyer, no matter how hard I try to boost the "laggards", SAQ still managed to out-fly the rest. How ar hmm.gif
If continue like this, I'd be topping up the laggards every time sweat.gif
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hmm.gif just thinking,...for this case,
instead of monitoring the % of differences the funds go out of the target, is it possible to monitor
example,.. how much HSAQ made against the set target, how much AM A Pac Reit made against the target....
so if the fund that did not hit target.. top up more.. hmm.gif possible/better? shakehead.gif shakehead.gif


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hmm.gif  just thinking,...for this case,
instead of monitoring the % of differences the funds go out of the target, is it possible to monitor
example,.. how much HSAQ made against the set target, how much AM A Pac Reit made against the target....
so if the fund that did not hit target.. top up more.. hmm.gif possible/better? shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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Wah this calls for a very the complicated punya monitoring system sweat.gif

I only monitor this on portfolio level, e.g. I want my portfolio to grow 7% p.a., if it slows for a month, I'd top up.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 30 2013, 11:21 AM)
Wah this calls for a very the complicated punya monitoring system sweat.gif

I only monitor this on portfolio level, e.g. I want my portfolio to grow 7% p.a., if it slows for a month, I'd top up.
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No right or wrong bro.. just topup using gut feel, hehe... end of the day it is long term ma. And target total portfolio need to achieve 7%pa like your target.

Still got 6 months till end year, if your 7% still far away, maybe topup on you think more aggressive equities. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ May 30 2013, 10:25 AM)
No right or wrong bro.. just topup using gut feel, hehe... end of the day it is long term ma. And target total portfolio need to achieve 7%pa like your target.

Still got 6 months till end year, if your 7% still far away, maybe topup on you think more aggressive equities. tongue.gif
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My stock portfolio is a few months old already, later try to benchmark my portfolio against Kenanga Growth Fund see I can match them or not tongue.gif

IRR for my portfolio now...70% brows.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 30 2013, 10:21 AM)
Wah this calls for a very the complicated punya monitoring system sweat.gif

I only monitor this on portfolio level, e.g. I want my portfolio to grow 7% p.a., if it slows for a month, I'd top up.
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aiyah...u akauntan mah...can use excel set some formulas and do marco formating....
key in, key in, key in then press ENTER = answer liao.

hmm.gif anyway is this a better way??? monitor how much your portfolio growth and how much EACH fund performance against target / against other funds in the porfolio.
just like you are the BIG boss of a group of companies...monitor how much your asset growth and how each company made $$ ...the company that made least $$...you put in more $$ to make it earn more.

btw, why limits to 7%? minimun 7% should be better right?

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QUOTE(yklooi @ May 30 2013, 10:29 AM)
aiyah...u akauntan mah...can use excel set some formulas and do marco formating....
key in, key in, key in then press ENTER = answer liao.

hmm.gif anyway is this a better way??? monitor how much your portfolio growth and how much EACH fund performance against target / against other funds in the porfolio.
just like you are the BIG boss of a group of companies...monitor how much your asset growth and how each company made $$ ...the company that made least $$...you put in more $$ to make it earn more.

btw, why limits to 7%? minimun 7% should be better right?
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I know what u mean, but this has a drawback...

Let's say I started with HSAQ as 20% of my portfolio, Kenanga Growth as 30%, KidSave as 50%

But HSAQ grows SO FAST that it grown to be 40% of my portfolio, which means that my portfolio exposure to small caps has increased DOUBLE, which is not what I wanted at the first place.

My portfolio approach has been "lift the laggards, keep the winners". If u let the winners run too fast/too far, if one day it falls, u will be hit hard...

Just like if u let your cavalry run too far, later enemy ambush them, your archers and infantries too far behind to back up laugh.gif

Not limit 7%, is target 7%. If actual is 9%, I'd not top up, just leave autopilot. If actual is 6%, I'd top up the shortfall 1% by cash icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 30 2013, 10:35 AM)
I know what u mean, but this has a drawback...

Let's say I started with HSAQ as 20% of my portfolio, Kenanga Growth as 30%, KidSave as 50%

But HSAQ grows SO FAST that it grown to be 40% of my portfolio, which means that my portfolio exposure to small caps has increased DOUBLE, which is not what I wanted at the first place.

My portfolio approach has been "lift the laggards, keep the winners". If u let the winners run too fast/too far, if one day it falls, u will be hit hard...

Not limit 7%, is target 7%. If actual is 9%, I'd not top up, just leave autopilot. If actual is 6%, I'd top up the shortfall 1% by cash icon_idea.gif
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if the runner keep running out of prediction, still wanna lift the laggards if the laggards keep lagging? Sometimes i believe sometimes common sense have to kicks in.
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if the runner keep running out of prediction, still wanna lift the laggards if the laggards keep lagging? Sometimes i believe sometimes common sense have to kicks in.
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Help A BIT lor...

E.g.
Start A 1000, B 1000
Later A 1300, B 950
I'd top up 175 on B to bring it CLOSER to A, i.e. add 1/2 support. I won't bring it up to A's level exactly.

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My portfolio approach has been "lift the laggards, keep the winners".
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hmm.gif hmm.gif cannot keep on lifting the laggards....just like cannot keep on putting $$ in to a company to made it perform better.....
look for another company that can perform better?
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hmm.gif  hmm.gif cannot keep on lifting the laggards....just like cannot keep on putting $$ in to a company to made it perform better.....
look for another company that can perform better?
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small caps historically able to give up to 10% annual returns, whereas large caps somewhere 6-7%. If u do nothing to "support" the large caps in your portfolio, just a matter of time before your portfolio eventually overwhelmed with small caps sweat.gif

U just cannot expect Guinness to grow at same pace as a small start-up enterprise
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ May 30 2013, 10:25 AM)
No right or wrong bro.. just topup using gut feel, hehe... end of the day it is long term ma. And target total portfolio need to achieve 7%pa like your target.

Still got 6 months till end year, if your 7% still far away, maybe topup on you think more aggressive equities. tongue.gif
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My IRR stuck at ~8%. I have no idea how to make them increase anymore. Mainly in small caps.
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haha.. move more to equities and focus asia ex japan.
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haha.. move more to equities and focus asia ex japan.
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I just gonna leave my SAQ on auto-pilot now. Will be topping up PGSF today smile.gif
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Where's your common sense? Still wanna lift this "laggard"? tongue.gif
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fsm sg is trying to kill all the small fishes. now the sales charge for equity or balanced funds are at 0.5% min $10 means top up $100 = $10 sales charge (10%). however prospectus capped it at 5% max means $5 =5% sales charge if you top up $100. as if we can top up in thousands everytime and every fund.

any comment from sifus here?
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QUOTE(nothingz @ May 30 2013, 12:57 PM)
fsm sg is trying to kill all the small fishes. now the sales charge for equity or balanced funds are at 0.5% min $10 means top up $100 = $10 sales charge (10%). however prospectus capped it at 5% max means $5 =5% sales charge if you top up $100. as if we can top up in thousands everytime and every fund.

any comment from sifus here?
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oh.. really!?? hope FSM MY wont be following them la...
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QUOTE(nothingz @ May 30 2013, 11:57 AM)
fsm sg is trying to kill all the small fishes. now the sales charge for equity or balanced funds are at 0.5% min $10 means top up $100 = $10 sales charge (10%). however prospectus capped it at 5% max means $5 =5% sales charge if you top up $100. as if we can top up in thousands everytime and every fund.

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hmm.gif try topping up S$200 lor...
200X5%=10
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hmm.gif try topping up S$200 lor...
200X5%=10
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wah.. 5% still alot lei if top up SGD200. Might as well buy from banks, still can see leng lui or yumcha with them... ahhaha
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wah.. 5% still alot lei if top up SGD200. Might as well buy from banks, still can see leng lui or yumcha with them... ahhaha
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Where's your common sense? Still wanna lift this "laggard"? tongue.gif
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On the surface, this strategy seems to be logical and easy to be implemented. However, when it comes to actual execution, many are unable to sell even when the price breached their tolerance limit. This is mainly due to the fact that to sell a stock at a loss is always much more difficult than selling at a profit. Psychologically, when we sell our stock holding at a loss, it means that we have to overcome our pride as we have to admit that we have made a mistake in purchasing it. In addition, many will also fear that after the stock being sold off, the price may appreciate again. Therefore, because of pride and fear of regret, a lot of investors will end up holding their stocks when the price goes down as they are still hoping for the price to go up again in the future.
got that from the web....
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QUOTE(nothingz @ May 30 2013, 11:57 AM)
fsm sg is trying to kill all the small fishes. now the sales charge for equity or balanced funds are at 0.5% min $10 means top up $100 = $10 sales charge (10%). however prospectus capped it at 5% max means $5 =5% sales charge if you top up $100. as if we can top up in thousands everytime and every fund.

any comment from sifus here?
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I believe u got the wrong illustration

http://www.fundsupermart.com/main/research...?articleNo=8279

Equity funds (including Balanced funds) 0.5% sales charge, subject to a minimum of $10 per transaction[COLOR=blue]
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I believe u got the wrong illustration

http://www.fundsupermart.com/main/research...?articleNo=8279

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$10 minimum of 100 invested = 10%?
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unsure.gif since my Eq portion of the portfolio are 85% M'sia eq....
will take this 1%sc promotion to buy into HSBal...then next week will switch into HSAQ.....if buy into hsaq directly is 2%sc

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Where's your common sense? Still wanna lift this "laggard"? tongue.gif
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Is it because of what I said that I will be selling it off, not for long term?

Actually it's to raise my exposure in equity. I'm currently 80/20 invested (calculated based on amount invested, not current value).
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I believe u got the wrong illustration

http://www.fundsupermart.com/main/research...?articleNo=8279

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Means all transaction be it top up 100sgd also chargeable $10 lor.
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Actually it's to raise my exposure in equity. I'm currently 80/20 invested (calculated based on amount invested, not current value).
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why not use "current value"? icon_question.gif
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why not use "current value"? icon_question.gif
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Cause I don't always keep track of my holding. It's easier to just calculate my exposure using invested amount as my basis of calculation. Not like a lot of sifu here. So up-to-date *salute*
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I believe u got the wrong illustration

http://www.fundsupermart.com/main/research...?articleNo=8279

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QUOTE(yklooi @ May 30 2013, 12:42 PM)
$10 minimum of 100 invested = 10%?
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ May 30 2013, 12:52 PM)
Means all transaction be it top up 100sgd also chargeable $10 lor.
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confirmed through live chat, prospectus capped it at 5% therefore $5 sales charge for $100 investment
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if dont want sales charge then go for RSP 0%, debit every month on 8th
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QUOTE(TakoC @ May 30 2013, 12:56 PM)
Cause I don't always keep track of my holding. It's easier to just calculate my exposure using invested amount as my basis of calculation. Not like a lot of sifu here. So up-to-date *salute*
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doh.gif like that....EQ is suppose to go faster than FI...sooner or later yr eq portion will overwhelm yr FI...
suggest you update at least every 6~12 mths to see the actual picture
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QUOTE(TakoC @ May 30 2013, 01:56 PM)
Cause I don't always keep track of my holding. It's easier to just calculate my exposure using invested amount as my basis of calculation. Not like a lot of sifu here. So up-to-date *salute*
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Just use excel to keep track ma, no need everyday update.
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6 mths 7%+, 12 months 20%+

U think it's a Ponzi meh...it has to fall a bit somehow...
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i know sure the fund will fluctuate, but any clues is this going to be prolonged? for months?
i have the intention to cut loss and switch into Ambond
what do you think?
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QUOTE(yklooi @ May 30 2013, 01:05 PM)
doh.gif like that....EQ is suppose to go faster than FI...sooner or later yr eq portion will overwhelm yr FI...
suggest you update at least every 6~12 mths to see the actual picture
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I hope it goes it like you're saying, because I am so heavily bond invested. I need to be more equity invested smile.gif
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i know sure the fund will fluctuate, but any clues is this going to be prolonged? for months?
i have the intention to cut loss and switch into Ambond
what do you think?
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This I cannot comment, I don't really read much into Asia REITs.
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Cause I don't always keep track of my holding. It's easier to just calculate my exposure using invested amount as my basis of calculation. Not like a lot of sifu here. So up-to-date *salute*
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How many funds u have? 10? 20?

Just spend a few minutes can update...if u not that hardworking, update once a month not too much what? tongue.gif
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unsure.gif since my Eq portion of the portfolio are 85% M'sia eq....
will take this 1%sc promotion to buy into HSBal...then next week will switch into HSAQ.....if buy into hsaq directly is 2%sc
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U wanna reduce or boost your overseas equity? HSBal is 100% MY equities, ZERO foreign, are u aware of that?
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How many funds u have? 10? 20?

Just spend a few minutes can update...if u not that hardworking, update once a month not too much what? tongue.gif
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Sifu Pink don't make fun of me lar. I'm the most newbie in this thread.

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Sifu Pink don't make fun of me lar. I'm the most newbie in this thread.

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I'm also a grammar nazi tongue.gif

If u have a proper worksheet, just a few minutes enuf to update your portfolio valuation.
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U wanna reduce or boost your overseas equity? HSBal is 100% MY equities, ZERO foreign, are u aware of that?
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I think what he meant was that he's planning to go through HSBal AND THEN switch to SAQ.

He didn't take into consideration other factors it seems.
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I think what he meant was that he's planning to go through HSBal AND THEN switch to SAQ.

He didn't take into consideration other factors it seems.
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Anyone here with AMB Dividend Trust got their distribution units from dividends reflected in their holdings yet?

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Hi,

The recent announcement of lowering sales charges is truely a joke. With 0.5% sales charge for equity and balanced funds, capped at minimum of $10, it would mean if i top up $200 on existing funds, my sales charge will be 5%. It means those small investors can go away, FSM only wants to deal with those rich ones.

I know your reply will quote 0% SC on RSP but why do you want to limit your investors to RSP every month at 8th while they can decide on their lucky day to invest with SC 1% is still acceptable.

A small investor like me does not agree on the new pricing structure which will ultimately eat me up through the sales charge no different than Public Mutual.

Dont reply me quoting RSP kind of BS which i already know, saving on paperwork and drive away small investor are your ultimate goals.

Thank you for upsetting your customer.

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Hi,

The recent announcement of lowering sales charges is truely a joke. With 0.5% sales charge for equity and balanced funds, capped at minimum of $10, it would mean if i top up $200 on existing funds, my sales charge will be 5%. It means those small investors can go away, FSM only wants to deal with those rich ones.

I know your reply will quote 0% SC on RSP but why do you want to limit your investors to RSP every month at 8th while they can decide on their lucky day to invest with SC 1% is still acceptable.

A small investor like me does not agree on the new pricing structure which will ultimately eat me up through the sales charge no different than Public Mutual.

Dont reply me quoting RSP kind of BS which i already know, saving on paperwork and drive away small investor are your ultimate goals.

Thank you for upsetting your customer.

Xxxxx
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Come back to FSM Malaysia lo biggrin.gif
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Come back to FSM Malaysia lo biggrin.gif
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It may just be a matter of time before they introduce it in Mys
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RM10 is 2% of RM500

Then I'll top up every 3 months instead of monthly lo
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RM10 is 2% of RM500

Then I'll top up every 3 months instead of monthly lo
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Hi,

The recent announcement of lowering sales charges is truely a joke. With 0.5% sales charge for equity and balanced funds, capped at minimum of $10, it would mean if i top up $200 on existing funds, my sales charge will be 5%. It means those small investors can go away, FSM only wants to deal with those rich ones.

I know your reply will quote 0% SC on RSP but why do you want to limit your investors to RSP every month at 8th while they can decide on their lucky day to invest with SC 1% is still acceptable.

A small investor like me does not agree on the new pricing structure which will ultimately eat me up through the sales charge no different than Public Mutual.

Dont reply me quoting RSP kind of BS which i already know, saving on paperwork and drive away small investor are your ultimate goals.

Thank you for upsetting your customer.

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rclxms.gif I TOTALLY agree with you. With the new Sale Charges minimum chargeable amount of $10 which mean that we have to topping up at least $2000 (0.5% SC = $10) per fund basis to get the benefit of the new changing. How many of us can topping up at fund at 2k each / transaction? If like this I probably will switch back the equity fund to FSM MY. doh.gif
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Just checked.
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RM500 cannot buy timing
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rclxms.gif  I TOTALLY agree with you. With the new Sale Charges minimum chargeable amount of $10 which mean that we have to topping up at least $2000 (0.5% SC = $10) per fund basis to get the benefit of the new changing. How many of us can topping up at fund at 2k each / transaction? If like this I probably will switch back the equity fund to FSM MY.  doh.gif
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Only keep Aberdeen Global Opportunities, the rest all switch back to FSM Malaysia biggrin.gif
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My local stocks green green biggrin.gif
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Only keep Aberdeen Global Opportunities, the rest all switch back to FSM Malaysia biggrin.gif
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I will kept them first. Wait any solution from them if not just go into RSP plan.
All my fund holding in FSM MY go upside after today update of NAV. Biggest gain G&G fund 3.77% , still heart bleeding lol shakehead.gif

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I will kept them first. Wait any solution from them if not just go into RSP plan.
All my fund holding in FSM MY go upside after today update of NAV. Biggest gain G&G fund 3.77% , still heart bleeding lol  shakehead.gif
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Overall still red how much?
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rclxms.gif  I TOTALLY agree with you. With the new Sale Charges minimum chargeable amount of $10 which mean that we have to topping up at least $2000 (0.5% SC = $10) per fund basis to get the benefit of the new changing. How many of us can topping up at fund at 2k each / transaction? If like this I probably will switch back the equity fund to FSM MY.  doh.gif
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2k? as if you only hold 1 fund lor, they really ki siao

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Overall still red how much?
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another reason is weakening of ringgit today causing the foreign fund went up?
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2k? as if you only hold 1 fund lor, they really ki siao
red sea does not happen all the time mar, hahaha
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another reason is weakening of ringgit today causing the foreign fund went up?
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QUOTE(nothingz @ May 30 2013, 02:36 PM)
Hi,

The recent announcement of lowering sales charges is truely a joke. With 0.5% sales charge for equity and balanced funds, capped at minimum of $10, it would mean if i top up $200 on existing funds, my sales charge will be 5%. It means those small investors can go away, FSM only wants to deal with those rich ones.

I know your reply will quote 0% SC on RSP but why do you want to limit your investors to RSP every month at 8th while they can decide on their lucky day to invest with SC 1% is still acceptable.

A small investor like me does not agree on the new pricing structure which will ultimately eat me up through the sales charge no different than Public Mutual.

Dont reply me quoting RSP kind of BS which i already know, saving on paperwork and drive away small investor are your ultimate goals.

Thank you for upsetting your customer.

Xxxxx
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Why don't you transfer your holdings to other place? I am using dollardex, but the min subsequent investment is mostly 500SGD T.T
Provided you do RSP then it is 100SGD.

P.S Weird thing is that VAP they charge additional fee vmad.gif
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U wanna reduce or boost your overseas equity? HSBal is 100% MY equities, ZERO foreign, are u aware of that?
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yes,..wanna keep for 1 week to let FSM settle before i switch to HSAQ.
thks for reminding
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QUOTE(yklooi @ May 30 2013, 03:51 PM)
yes,..wanna keep for 1 week to let FSM settle before i switch to HSAQ.
thks for reminding
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waseh.. 4.30 liao asia pacific indices all ang ang
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ May 30 2013, 04:27 PM)
waseh.. 4.30 liao asia pacific indices all ang ang
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1 month loss less than 2%, not yet critical la
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This I cannot comment, I don't really read much into Asia REITs.
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QUOTE(hafiez @ May 29 2013, 10:09 AM)
Just additional from my previous comment;

If want to diversify, u can make contribution more than one PRS Provider.
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taught of getting hwang growth and moderate and aiman PRS

i get so many funds with 0 SC and min purchase of 100 brows.gif

aiman growth fund, select dividend fund, select bond, select balance,asia opp, select opp rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

sounds like a good investment

plus 19% reduction in tax.. drool.gif drool.gif


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Several Hwang funds declared distributions.

Should I consider Hwang Select Opportunity Fund?
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Several Hwang funds declared distributions.

Should I consider Hwang Select Opportunity Fund?
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HwangIM flagship fund and one of their top performer, certainly highly recommended fund
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i think you can also send feedback to them. give them some pressure

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how is everyones portfolio today? tongue.gif
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today is good biggrin.gif biggrin.gif but tomorrow dunno ><
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sad.gif  sorry, cannot help,..cos i don,t have FSM Singapore a/c biggrin.gif
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anyway, for those potential customers can also send feedback to them. they are driving away all the ikan bilis
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HwangIM flagship fund and one of their top performer, certainly highly recommended fund
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Oh..yup...very attractive distribution...10 sen per unit of holding...
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how is everyones portfolio today? tongue.gif
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IRR back to above 6% biggrin.gif

For those who think that it's low, bear in mind I screwed up big time during 2010, now it's recovery time tongue.gif

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today my HAP (xJpn) infrastructure still -2.7%, others are just - abit.
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Oh while I'm at it, FSM already published gross/net dividend rate for OSK-UOB EMBF, you guys can update your portfolio with it, just take your holdings on 27th May multiplied with the dividend rate and divide by NAV on 28th May, and you'll get your distribution units.
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AM PReits still -5.44%, others okay. when this fund recovers(i hope it will!) my portfolio will have + return sweat.gif
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ May 30 2013, 10:15 PM)
AM PReits still -5.44%, others okay. when this fund recovers(i hope it will!) my portfolio will have + return sweat.gif
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same negative gain here....hope will really recover one day....

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HwangIM flagship fund and one of their top performer, certainly highly recommended fund
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But then you doesn't have this fund in your portfolio didn't you ?

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But then you doesn't have this fund in your portfolio didn't you ?
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Because I also hold some stocks directly, so I don't want to have a Malaysia equity fund. Even without a Malaysia equity fund in my UT portfolio, Malaysia exposure in my UT portfolio is already close to 10% of my total equity exposure.

If consolidate my UT + direct stockholding, my Malaysia equity exposure would be way more than 50% already, still want a Malaysia equity fund? sweat.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 30 2013, 11:12 PM)
Because I also hold some stocks directly, so I don't want to have a Malaysia equity fund. Even without a Malaysia equity fund in my UT portfolio, Malaysia exposure in my UT portfolio is already close to 10% of my total equity exposure.

If consolidate my UT + direct stockholding, my Malaysia equity exposure would be way more than 50% already, still want a Malaysia equity fund? sweat.gif
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Not bad lar. Still better than me. 100% equity in small caps. If collapse sure die. Need diverse already smile.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 30 2013, 11:12 PM)
Because I also hold some stocks directly, so I don't want to have a Malaysia equity fund. Even without a Malaysia equity fund in my UT portfolio, Malaysia exposure in my UT portfolio is already close to 10% of my total equity exposure.

If consolidate my UT + direct stockholding, my Malaysia equity exposure would be way more than 50% already, still want a Malaysia equity fund? sweat.gif
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well i see. what local stock do you having right now, mind to share ? i know is kinda off topic but interested to know. btw even if your overall holding of MY equity more than half so what wrong with it as long as it contribute positive return to your investment.
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QUOTE(aoisky @ May 30 2013, 11:50 PM)
well i see. what local stock do you having right now, mind to share ? i know is kinda off topic but interested to know. btw even if your overall holding of MY equity more than half so what wrong with it as long as it contribute positive return to your investment.
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It's all about risk management. Well, it's a trade-off between risk and return that I'm willing to take. smile.gif

Now I got:
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Go figure biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 30 2013, 11:58 PM)
It's all about risk management. Well, it's a trade-off between risk and return that I'm willing to take. smile.gif

Now I got:
- car suspension
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- wood picture frame
- cream crackers
- Asahi beer
- Nescafe

Go figure biggrin.gif
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Yup the point is risk management, you are having 50 - 50 on stock exchange - UT or even weighted more on stock exchange right ? i bet you return contributed by stock would be higher than UT isn't it
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currently, what is the best fixed income fund that charges 0% SC or low SC ? want to use it to park money instead of using CMF

preferably with no 1 year lock-in period like rhb bond , rhb islamic bond

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currently, what is the best fixed income fund that charges 0% SC or low SC ? want to use it to park money instead of using CMF
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AmDynamic Bond, but since the fund's closed for subscription, an alternative choice would be AmBond. If you can stomach abit of risk, go for RHB Bond Fund.
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QUOTE(aoisky @ May 31 2013, 07:55 AM)
Yup the point is risk management, you are having 50 - 50 on stock exchange - UT or even weighted more on stock exchange right ? i bet you return contributed by stock would be higher than UT isn't it
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My UT portfolio is 50/50

Then my stock portfolio is "balanced" by OSK-UOB Income Fund which I keep track and monitor separate from my UT portfolio which has AmDynamic Bond and OSK-UOB Emerging Markets Bond.

My 3 months old stock portfolio IRR = 74% sweat.gif

More or less 50/50 overall smile.gif

QUOTE(repusez @ May 31 2013, 08:35 AM)
currently, what is the best fixed income fund that charges 0% SC or low SC ? want to use it to park money instead of using CMF

preferably with no 1 year lock-in period like rhb bond , rhb islamic bond
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See above wink.gif

EPF-approved, up to 30% foreign bondholdings, mostly HK and SGD foreign holdings. Volatility quite low.

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Pinky, which region I have yet to cover for diversification purpose? =p

Alliance Global Diversified Property Fund
Alliance Global Equities Fund
CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund
Eastspring Investments Equity Income Fund
Hwang Asia Quantum Fund
OSK-UOB Emerging Markets Bond Fund
OSK-UOB KidSave Trust
Pacific Global Stars Fund

I'm planning to add EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS GLOBAL EMERGING MARKETS FUND next month. Any comments on this fund?

P.S OSK-UOB EMBF red since invested. lol

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Pinky, which region I have yet to cover for diversification purpose? =p

Alliance Global Diversified Property Fund
Alliance Global Equities Fund
CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund
Eastspring Investments Equity Income Fund
Hwang Asia Quantum Fund
OSK-UOB Emerging Markets Bond Fund
OSK-UOB KidSave Trust
Pacific Global Stars Fund

I'm planning to add EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS GLOBAL EMERGING MARKETS FUND next month. Any comments on this fund?

P.S OSK-UOB EMBF red since invested. lol
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Go go buy, it's the best GEM equity fund available.
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ok lo.. retract my statement unsure.gif
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ok lo.. retract my statement  unsure.gif
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party.gif  moneyflies.gif  wave.gif
Reminder:
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Pay day liao...Action?
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HSBal, then HSAQ? rolleyes.gif

Salary semua sudah masuk stock trading account...looking for bargain dividend stocks icon_idea.gif

FSM portfolio on autopilot mode cool2.gif
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ May 31 2013, 11:02 AM)
which region I have yet to cover for diversification purpose? =p

Alliance Global Diversified Property Fund
Alliance Global Equities Fund
CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund
Eastspring Investments Equity Income Fund
Hwang Asia Quantum Fund
OSK-UOB Emerging Markets Bond Fund
OSK-UOB KidSave Trust
Pacific Global Stars Fund

I'm planning to add EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS GLOBAL EMERGING MARKETS FUND next month. Any comments on this fund?

P.S OSK-UOB EMBF red since invested. lol
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ASK them:
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share with us their response? nice to know what they say.
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ASK them:
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share with us their response? nice to know what they say.
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Yeah, make full use of the CIS, and share with us their response thumbup.gif
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delete too! tongue.gif
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just got confirmation from FSM,...thks pink
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Sent them E-mail, got auto-response.

Hi,

I will be away from 30th May to 3rd June and only be back on 4th June (Tuesday).

For any urgent matters, please contact my colleague Mei Chui @ productsupport.my@ifastfinancial.com.

Thank you.

Demi

See what is their suggestion. Eugene Lye did send email personally, but I didn't really know who he was that time.
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Sent them E-mail, got auto-response.

Hi,

I will be away from 30th May to 3rd June and only be back on 4th June (Tuesday).

For any urgent matters, please contact my colleague Mei Chui @ productsupport.my@ifastfinancial.com.

Thank you.

Demi

See what is their suggestion. Eugene Lye did send email personally, but I didn't really know who he was that time.
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looked at yr portfolio...5 of them are current FSM recommended funds...left 4 funds. (are they from previous FSM recommendation too?)
if you are going to ask them..pls also indicate your % allocation of each funds in yr basket of portfolio and also your risk level or how much ROI you are lookng at...i think it would help them to analysis better
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Just bit the bullet and topped up Kenanga Syariah Growth fund, even thought it's too hot. But I plan to keep topping it up every month, so I hope it'll balance in the long term.
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QUOTE(s_kates81 @ May 31 2013, 04:27 PM)
Just bit the bullet and topped up Kenanga Syariah Growth fund, even thought it's too hot. But I plan to keep topping it up every month, so I hope it'll balance in the long term.
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rclxms.gif Good solid records. u entered b4 3pm? Got the 1%SC promotion?
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One my my funds AmAsia Pacific Equity Income has a dividend payout. However, it did not reflect anything on my holdings and it's showing a big negative %. Any idea?
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One my my funds AmAsia Pacific Equity Income has a dividend payout. However, it did not reflect anything on my holdings and it's showing a big negative %. Any idea?
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It takes some time to be reflected in FSM, usually 3-4 weeks.
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It takes some time to be reflected in FSM, usually 3-4 weeks.
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hmm.gif never seem 1 b4...cos i am new to FSM....
it will be reflected in the
Available Unit,
weighted average cost, and
current value?

so these data would be automatically changed in the "view Holding" page?
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QUOTE(yklooi @ May 30 2013, 09:47 PM)
today my HAP (xJpn) infrastructure still -2.7%, others are  just - abit.
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cry.gif today my this ponzi down back to -4% ... 1 day can swing >1% loh,..vmad.gif mad.gif

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hey guys... those holding
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Fund Name Ex-Date Reinvestment Date Dividend Rate per Unit (RM) Dividend Type
AMB Dividend Trust Fund May 2, 2013 May 2, 2013 0.04 Dividend Payout

did you guys receive an email announcing the dividend and reinvestment statement ?

im asking cause, my holding on this (units wise) seem to be same and not updated

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QUOTE(yklooi @ May 31 2013, 08:36 PM)
hmm.gif never seem 1 b4...cos i am new to FSM....
it will be reflected in the
Available Unit,
weighted average cost, and
current value?

so these data would be automatically changed in the "view Holding" page?
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Yes, when FSM update the divide d holdings, you can see it at the holding page. In between the few weeks after actual distribution date an FSM update it, you will see the old units but new after drop nav. So will see it negative or profit drop alot during tat period.
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One my my funds AmAsia Pacific Equity Income has a dividend payout. However, it did not reflect anything on my holdings and it's showing a big negative %. Any idea?
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QUOTE(yklooi @ May 31 2013, 07:36 PM)
hmm.gif never seem 1 b4...cos i am new to FSM....
it will be reflected in the
Available Unit,
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current value?

so these data would be automatically changed in the "view Holding" page?
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QUOTE(JinXXX @ May 31 2013, 08:25 PM)
hey guys... those holding
AMB Dividend Trust Fund

Fund Name Ex-Date Reinvestment Date Dividend Rate per Unit (RM) Dividend Type
AMB Dividend Trust Fund May 2, 2013 May 2, 2013 0.04 Dividend Payout

did you guys receive an email announcing the dividend and reinvestment statement ?

im asking cause, my holding on this (units wise) seem to be same and not updated
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I'm going to answer 3 posts with 1 reply...

1. Fund Houses e.g. AmInvestment Services Berhad, HwangIM etc (NOT the Fund Distributor e.g. FSM) typically take about 1 up to possibly 4 weeks to allocate and credit the distribution to unitholders. But u need not worry about the delay, as long as u are holding units prior to ex-date, u will get the distribution, this timing is purely administrative, won't affect your investment value in any way.

2. "Fund made distribution...my holdings not updated...now my holding shows a big negative..."
The following example will illustrate what happens when a fund makes a distribution.

Fund price prior to ex-date: RM1.0000
Distribution: 10 sen per unit
U hold 1,000 units
Fund price at ex-date: RM0.9000
U STILL hold 1,000 units as the Fund House haven't allocated the distribution to u
Account value now: 1,000 units x RM0.9000 = RM900
The "missing" RM100 (10 sen x 1,000 units) is yours, no one is taking that away from u, just that they need to do some admin work on the distribution. After that your investment value will return to "normal".

As explained at Post #1, distribution is merely "left hand go right hand", as a fund declare distribution, the NAV price will automatically "drop" by equivalent amount on ex-date.

Hope that I explained clearly.

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Today my portfolio drop alot
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ May 31 2013, 09:00 PM)
Today my portfolio drop alot
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Mine dropped 0.26%, ALL bond funds dropped.

2 funds gained, guess who are they? rolleyes.gif
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AmAsia Pacific REITs:
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10% | 9.3%

If next week drop below 9% of my equity allocation, gonna top up a bit to bring it up hmm.gif

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Ah.. AmApac Reits keep dropping. Those holding Reits shares also experiencing drop recently? Anyone can comment?
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Ah.. AmApac Reits keep dropping. Those holding Reits shares also experiencing drop recently? Anyone can comment?
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If u read the financial news, everyone is talking about interest rate/Treasury yields rising, and that this time bond investors ain't buying the dip.

REITs are mostly leveraged. If interest rates rise, it will hit the earnings of REITs.

Also, AmAsia Pacific REITs got significant holdings in Japan and Singapore REITs, both markets are weakening this week.
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Ah.. AmApac Reits keep dropping. Those holding Reits shares also experiencing drop recently? Anyone can comment?
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i know the left hand go right hand..

just curious how long will it take for the update.. cause for my other funds that has distributions.. it was like credit/updated/notified with in 2 weeks.. but for this its like 2 may until 31 may.. and no cerita yet

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Sometimes it could be oversight on the part of the Fund Distributor, try contact LiveHelp or e-mail FSM on Monday. wink.gif

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Sometimes it could be oversight on the part of the Fund Distributor, try contact LiveHelp or e-mail FSM on Monday. wink.gif
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sign0014.gif who is this "seems to know all" neyoyo?

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rclxms.gif Good solid records. u entered b4 3pm? Got the 1%SC promotion?
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I bought after 3pm, still got 1% based on the PO, I thought the T&C says must be before 3pm to enjoy 1%? I haven't paid yet not sure they will not honor the discount or not....
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I bought after 3pm, still got 1% based on the PO, I thought the T&C says must be before 3pm to enjoy 1%? I haven't paid yet not sure they will not honor the discount or not....
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see this?
To be eligible for this promotion, purchase orders must be placed by 3pm on 31 May 2013.
All cash payments (Cheque and Internet payments) and EPF forms must reach us by 3pm on 7 June 2013.

the lower end of the page (term & Condition)
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=3412

personally i think should be OK...Y not check with them to confirm?

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GG, i rugi RM59! UOB OSK! Last time RM7, few days after rugi RM59...walao...
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GG, i rugi RM59! UOB OSK! Last time RM7, few days after rugi RM59...walao...
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In case u guys did not read FSM research articles...

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=3485

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We continue to advocate investors maintain exposure to both the safer segments of fixed income for stability, as well as the riskier segments of fixed income, which have the potential to enhance the yield on one’s portfolio. For investors seeking stronger returns, we continue to maintain a preference for high yield and emerging market bonds, although yields have fallen over the course of 2012, which entails a lower expected return from these bond segments, so investors should not be extrapolating the returns achieved last year. We maintain a preference for Ringgit-focused fixed income funds which are structured or managed to guard against unexpected losses due to currency depreciation against the Ringgit.


Hwang Select Bond Fund and Hwang Select Income Fund comes to mind icon_idea.gif

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ask the bond fund.... =(

i tot it's less volatile? now it's even greater than the equity...
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ask the bond fund.... =(

i tot it's less volatile? now it's even greater than the equity...
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bond funds rarely drop, drop also usually due to forex, interest rate movement, downgrade/upgrade, how often do they happen? Hence the "less volatile" label on bond funds. smile.gif
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My hwang select bond still rugi-ing 1.8% biggrin.gif
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My hwang select bond still rugi-ing 1.8% biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jun 1 2013, 12:28 AM)
ask the bond fund.... =(

i tot it's less volatile? now it's even greater than the equity...
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for portfolio diversification? or FSM recommendation? or
FSM said "we continue to maintain a preference for high yield and emerging market bonds"?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 1 2013, 12:59 AM)
Unker Looi likes to play Devil's Advocate brows.gif
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hmm.gif just wanted to learn more.
"The purpose of such process is typically to test the quality of the original argument and identify weaknesses in its structure, and to use such information to improve or abandon the original position" this i hope would make me a better investor flex.gif

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sign0014.gif who is this "seems to know all" neyoyo?
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to be frank, with the 0.2% difference in management fee, I'd rather go for Select Income wink.gif
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Any new promotion coming again? Hehe...
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Any new promotion coming again? Hehe...
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Yes. 2% SC a lot lar. Hahaha ..

PGSF -1%. C'mon .. Green already .. Zzz
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Why? What happened?
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Jun 1 2013, 07:37 AM)
hmm didnt take note of that. maybe will get select income next when i need to rebalance  biggrin.gif
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Yes. 2% SC a lot lar. Hahaha ..

PGSF -1%. C'mon .. Green already .. Zzz
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My PGSF losses has halved. Go go go bruce.gif
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weird my PGSF seems to be in the "green" and profiting... smile.gif wahhahahaahha
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 1 2013, 11:01 AM)
U timing cantik lo notworthy.gif
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side track for awhile, P&L for pm, can only get from agent ? the PMO website chekai man not like FSM got give proper P&L
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side track for awhile, P&L for pm, can only get from agent ? the PMO website chekai man not like FSM got give proper P&L
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weird my PGSF seems to be in the "green" and profiting... smile.gif wahhahahaahha
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 1 2013, 12:42 AM)
to be frank, with the 0.2% difference in management fee, I'd rather go for Select Income wink.gif
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Add 0.5%sc different also
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but Select income have some equity , although very small %.. if i wanted to adjust portfolio allocation, then will be complicated? i think that was why i chose HS bond in the 1st place.. what's ur opinion? blush.gif
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but Select income have some equity , although very small %.. if i wanted to adjust portfolio allocation, then will be complicated? i think that was why i chose HS bond in the 1st place.. what's ur opinion?  blush.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 1 2013, 11:45 AM)
Well, its all personal preference lo, I'd go for HSB to be able to better monitor my portfolio, but sometimes I look at the 10% annualised returns of HSI... tongue.gif
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true true.. but being a newbie in UT, i thought i'll keep it simple for the 1st year and just get a pure bond to balance my portfolio biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 1 2013, 11:45 AM)
Well, its all personal preference lo, I'd go for HSB to be able to better monitor my portfolio, but sometimes I look at the 10% annualised returns of HSI... tongue.gif
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not bad.. the fund is quite big at 2 bil smile.gif , is it just me or sometimes i look into fund investment based on how big they are ?
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yeah will do that.. but before that wan check if, anybody that hold that fund was notified for the distribution reinvestment...  smile.gif
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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Jun 1 2013, 12:12 PM)
not bad.. the fund is quite big at 2 bil smile.gif , is it just me or sometimes i look into fund investment based on how big they are ?
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The bigger the fund, the less efficient the management will be. If a fund is too big, it cannot make purchases without distorting the whole market. Hence big funds can only buy very very liquid stocks hence becoming more like an index fund already, as the list of stocks they can buy is limited.

A good example is public smallcap became sooooo big, until the performance is affected before they decided too late to close the fund.

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 1 2013, 02:54 PM)
The bigger the fund, the less efficient the management will be. If a fund is too big, it cannot make purchases without distorting the whole market. Hence big funds can only buy very very liquid stocks hence becoming more like an index fund already, as the list of stocks they can buy is limited.

A good example is public smallcap became sooooo big, until the performance is affected before they decided too late to close the fund.
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Hwang SIF is more yield-focused, not so trade-happy. Should not affect much IMHO

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Hwang SIF is more yield-focused, not so trade-happy. Should not affect much IMHO
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Yeah.. but it was a general reply to those who think that bigger funds = better. tongue.gif

Still even though it is yield focus, the big size does limit some of the purchases. For example if SIF decide to invest in like illiquid stock with good yield like Hup Seng.. what would happen? tongue.gif

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 1 2013, 03:38 PM)
Yeah.. but it was a general reply to those who think that bigger funds = better.  tongue.gif

Still even though it is yield focus, the big size does limit some of the purchases. For example if SIF decide to invest in like illiquid stock with good yield like Hup Seng.. what would happen?  tongue.gif
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Hi, I am new to UT. I dont have any experience other than reading through "getting started" in FSM and lurking around this thread. I was wondering, how does one keep track of their portfolio ? What do I need to monitor ? I mean, I wanted to have an excel sort of document to manage my newly started investment but I dont know what to do. Please advise.
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QUOTE(millenius @ Jun 1 2013, 11:45 PM)
Hi, I am new to UT. I dont have any experience other than reading through "getting started" in FSM and lurking around this thread. I was wondering, how does one keep track of their portfolio ? What do I need to monitor ? I mean, I wanted to have an excel sort of document to manage my newly started investment but I dont know what to do. Please advise.
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actually once you have an account with FSM and start buying the UT, can easily keep track including % of portfolio breakdown smile.gif
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ May 31 2013, 11:02 AM)
Pinky, which region I have yet to cover for diversification purpose? =p

Alliance Global Diversified Property Fund
Alliance Global Equities Fund
CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund
Eastspring Investments Equity Income Fund
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OSK-UOB Emerging Markets Bond Fund
OSK-UOB KidSave Trust
Pacific Global Stars Fund

I'm planning to add EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS GLOBAL EMERGING MARKETS FUND next month. Any comments on this fund?

P.S OSK-UOB EMBF red since invested. lol
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EI GEM personally i had this fund under my portfolio before, just sold it not a recommended fund. anyway read fact sheet and past five years track records judge yourself
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actually once you have an account with FSM and start buying the UT, can easily keep track including % of portfolio breakdown  smile.gif
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o wait, really ? I just bought 2 and it is still pending. Guess I'll wait :/
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QUOTE(millenius @ Jun 1 2013, 11:45 PM)
Hi, I am new to UT. I dont have any experience other than reading through "getting started" in FSM and lurking around this thread. I was wondering, how does one keep track of their portfolio ? What do I need to monitor ? I mean, I wanted to have an excel sort of document to manage my newly started investment but I dont know what to do. Please advise.
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well every journey start with the very first step.
why don't you register an account at FSM and start ur purchase of your first UT fund first. slowly you will understand more about UT, before you think far. I assume you have read thru post 1 if not feel free to read around post 1.
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o wait, really ? I just bought 2 and it is still pending. Guess I'll wait :/
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T + 4 next four business day. on the forth day you should be able to view your portfolio holding with current value of your fund, units, profit, profit % and etc.
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Hi, I am new to UT. I dont have any experience other than reading through "getting started" in FSM and lurking around this thread. I was wondering, how does one keep track of their portfolio ? What do I need to monitor ? I mean, I wanted to have an excel sort of document to manage my newly started investment but I dont know what to do. Please advise.
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https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...post&id=3363202

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EI GEM personally i had this fund under my portfolio before, just sold it not a recommended fund. anyway read fact sheet and past five years track records judge yourself
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It's the best GEM equity fund available at Malaysia, at least it beats its benchmark tongue.gif
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o wait, really ? I just bought 2 and it is still pending. Guess I'll wait :/
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It's the best GEM equity fund available at Malaysia, at least it beats its benchmark tongue.gif
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Well. It may be the best in it's league but it's definitely not in overall. Yes it outperform its benchmark but there are a lot other funds which is outperform GEM fund. in term of IRR this fund among the lower rank in my overall portfolio. We buy UT, one common objective good return isn't it ?

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Well. It may be the best in it's league but it's definitely not in overall. Yes it outperform its benchmark but there are a lot other funds which is outperform GEM fund. in term of IRR this fund among the lower rank in my overall portfolio. We buy UT, one common objective good return isn't it ?
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Pink will tell you that diversification.

But somehow I agree with you. Even if fund A returns and market is not as attractive as fund B (and fund A exposure is not yet in my portfolio). I won't buy it if I know Fund B will perform better.
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jun 2 2013, 01:12 AM)
Pink will tell you that diversification.

But somehow I agree with you. Even if fund A returns and market is not as attractive as fund B (and fund A exposure is not yet in my portfolio). I won't buy it if I know Fund B will perform better.
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hmm.gif then you might end ups with alot of heavily M'sia eq based fund....kenanga, hw AIIman, Am Div trust, osk uob eme opp, just to name a few...have performanced very well for the past few years.
anyway, i too, sometimes had both sides of my brains arguing with each others......ha-ha..1 side said, as long as it makes $$ it is ok, but the other side said...diversification for you may be safer on the "just in case"... rclxub.gif until now they are still not yet in full agreement....85% in m'sia 15% in Asia ex Jpn
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Jun 2 2013, 12:48 AM)
Well. It may be the best in it's league but it's definitely not in overall. Yes it outperform its benchmark but there are a lot other funds which is outperform GEM fund. in term of IRR this fund among the lower rank in my overall portfolio. We buy UT, one common objective good return isn't it ?
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Guess my timing was right, currently my holding yielding IRR of 4.5% (Sales Charge included), decent I'd say.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jun 2 2013, 05:53 AM)
hmm.gif then you might end ups with alot of heavily M'sia eq based fund....kenanga, hw AIIman, Am Div trust, osk uob eme opp, just to name a few...have performanced very well for the past few years.
anyway, i too, sometimes had both sides of my brains arguing with each others......ha-ha..1 side said, as long as it makes $$ it is ok, but the other side said...diversification for you may be safer on the "just in case"... rclxub.gif until now they are still not yet in full agreement....85% in m'sia 15% in Asia ex Jpn
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...and see what happened to fans of AmAsia Pacific REITs who overweight it in their portfolio for the past 1-2 weeks? icon_idea.gif

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Guess my timing was right, currently my holding yielding IRR of 4.5% (Sales Charge included), decent I'd say.
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May be, since when you holding this fund and how long period already ? my net profit from this fund is 3.8% (included SC 6% direct purchased from Prudential that time). So is this a considerable good, better or best fund to invest ? i would say so-so in future you would never knows.
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Pink will tell you that diversification.

But somehow I agree with you. Even if fund A returns and market is not as attractive as fund B (and fund A exposure is not yet in my portfolio). I won't buy it if I know Fund B will perform better.
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Well said diversification, UT itself already diversified your investment. Diversification your fund allocation is a good practice but sometimes too diversified may not yield good return.
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I already have an account with iFast Capital
https://www.ifastcapital.com.my/ifast/home/index.svdo

I just wonder what difference between FSM and iFast, since both of them are related somewhat
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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Jun 2 2013, 03:00 PM)
I already have an account with iFast Capital
https://www.ifastcapital.com.my/ifast/home/index.svdo

I just wonder what difference between FSM and iFast, since both of them are related somewhat
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from the link you provided....
www.ifastcorp.com
iFAST Corporation Private Limited ("iFAST Corp") is the holding company of iFAST-OSK Sdn Bhd which holds 82% of iFAST Capital Sdn Bhd.

www.fundsupermart.com
Fundsupermart.com is the online unit trust distribution arm of iFAST Financial. Fundsupermart.com has an in-house research team to provide independent research in mutual funds and online tools to assist self-directed investors to invest easily online.

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QUOTE(aoisky @ Jun 2 2013, 10:03 AM)
Well said diversification, UT itself already diversified your investment. Diversification your fund allocation is a good practice but sometimes too diversified may not yield good return.
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I hope I don't piss all the sifu off here by saying this.

But having a too diversified portfolio is not a good thing sometimes. I believe I have a higher portfolio yield than some of the sifu here who have a wide diversification.

But of course, once the market hits me. It'll hit hard. I have got a taste of the 'poison' yet. So diversation is syill the way to go lar. Decision is HOW diversify.
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jun 2 2013, 05:02 PM)
I hope I don't piss all the sifu off here by saying this.

But having a too diversified portfolio is not a good thing sometimes. I believe I have a higher portfolio yield than some of the sifu here who have a wide diversification.

But of course, once the market hits me. It'll hit hard. I have got a taste of the 'poison' yet. So diversation is syill the way to go lar. Decision is HOW diversify.
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No piss off, different ppl, different preference. nod.gif

I want to sleep sound at nite about my UT portfolio, hence I diversify it in such way that it will (hopefully) go up and down in line with global markets. What I keep in my control is the different % I allocate to the different regions. If in the event that my portfolio kaput, I think most likely the world economy is a gone case already, my job also not secure. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Jun 2 2013, 03:00 PM)
I already have an account with iFast Capital
https://www.ifastcapital.com.my/ifast/home/index.svdo

I just wonder what difference between FSM and iFast, since both of them are related somewhat
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Why don't u ask iFast and/or FSM and tell us the difference between opening an account with iFast and opening an account with FSM notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Jun 2 2013, 09:57 AM)
May be, since when you holding this fund and how long period already ? my net profit from this fund is 3.8% (included SC 6% direct purchased from Prudential that time). So is this a considerable good, better or best fund to invest ? i would say so-so in future you would never knows.
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I don't track profit/loss %, to me it is meaningless, doesn't facilitate performance comparison and review, I prefer to monitor and review by IRR instead. smile.gif

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jun 2 2013, 05:02 PM)
I hope I don't piss all the sifu off here by saying this.

But having a too diversified portfolio is not a good thing sometimes. I believe I have a higher portfolio yield than some of the sifu here who have a wide diversification.

But of course, once the market hits me. It'll hit hard. I have got a taste of the 'poison' yet. So diversation is syill the way to go lar. Decision is HOW diversify.
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Nope.. who said sifu won't make mistake i believe most of the sifu here having some painful scar before. well its all about how you invest no right or wrong. there are plenty of investment strategy.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 2 2013, 05:48 PM)
I don't track profit/loss %, to me it is meaningless, doesn't facilitate performance comparison and review, I prefer to monitor and review by IRR instead. smile.gif
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Is it ? well for me i am monitoring both ways its not meaningless at all. higher IRR doesn't give you an indication that you yield higher Profit/Loss % same apply to vice versa.
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Is it ? well for me i am monitoring both ways its not meaningless at all. higher IRR doesn't give you an indication that you yield higher Profit/Loss % same apply to vice versa.
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Why don't u ask iFast and/or FSM and tell us the difference between opening an account with iFast and opening an account with FSM notworthy.gif
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hmm.. will ask my finance advisor friend who helped me to open the account in iFast

but IMO, not much difference gua.. like Aeon vs Tesco only hmm.gif
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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Jun 2 2013, 09:34 PM)
hmm.. will ask my finance advisor friend who helped me to open the account in iFast

but IMO, not much difference gua.. like Aeon vs Tesco only hmm.gif
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open in iFast will through an advisor or something like a financial company that provide many financial services. FSM is direct to customer..
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open in iFast will through an advisor or something like a financial company that provide many financial services. FSM is direct to customer..
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yes you are right, everytime I wish to switch funds/topup I will need to inform my advisor first, and there's a form need to be signed as well, it's not an instant transaction thing
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open in iFast will through an advisor or something like a financial company that provide many financial services. FSM is direct to customer..
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How about Sales Charges? Similar or slightly higher than FSM? Saw at website they mentioned about "lower SCs"... hmm.gif

With Client Investment Specialists like Eugene and Felix, I'd rather go for FSM thumbup.gif
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How about Sales Charges? Similar or slightly higher than FSM? Saw at website they mentioned about "lower SCs"... hmm.gif

With Client Investment Specialists like Eugene and Felix, I'd rather go for FSM thumbup.gif
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Err.. I have no idea on the sales charge lei. Just ikan bilis, cannot engage a financial consultant company to manage my monies. Hehe..
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 2 2013, 09:30 PM)
How about Sales Charges? Similar or slightly higher than FSM? Saw at website they mentioned about "lower SCs"... hmm.gif

With Client Investment Specialists like Eugene and Felix, I'd rather go for FSM thumbup.gif
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should be 3% out of the amount you put to invest

eg. invest in rm1k, rm30 will go to iFast/fund house/your advisor/your advisor's company


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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Jun 2 2013, 09:42 PM)
should be 3% out of the amount you put to invest

eg. invest in rm1k, rm30 will go to iFast/fund house/your advisor/your advisor's company
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in that case FSM is much cheaper....
now we know that the trading is not faster,..needed paperwork...maybe to prevent emotional trade?
Sales Charges is more than FSM...
btw, what is the IFAST advantage over FSM?

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jun 2 2013, 11:44 PM)
in that case FSM is much cheaper....
now we know that the trading is not faster,..needed paperwork...maybe to prevent emotional trade?
Sales Charges is more than FSM...
btw, what is the IFAST advantage over FSM?
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wouldn't call it an advantage, but the difference is you have your financial planner to help you keep an eye on the stuff, he will advise you from time to time, his commission ride on the performance of the funds, hence if the funds are losing money then his commission will reduce as well

this is more suitable for those don't have the time to monitor prices all the time, and also to those very new to the world of UT like me icon_rolleyes.gif
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wouldn't call it an advantage, but the difference is you have your financial planner to help you keep an eye on the stuff, he will advise you from time to time, his commission ride on the performance of the funds, hence if the funds are losing money then his commission will reduce as well

this is more suitable for those don't have the time to monitor prices all the time, and also to those very new to the world of UT like me icon_rolleyes.gif
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now that is something good and new, any source on that?
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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Jun 3 2013, 07:30 AM)
wouldn't call it an advantage, but the difference is you have your financial planner to help you keep an eye on the stuff, he will advise you from time to time, his commission ride on the performance of the funds, hence if the funds are losing money then his commission will reduce as well

this is more suitable for those don't have the time to monitor prices all the time, and also to those very new to the world of UT like me icon_rolleyes.gif
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They got help invest or trade in shares as well?
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Last Friday, US closed in RED.
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Asian market opens in RED today.

Last Friday, US closed in RED.
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wouldn't call it an advantage, but the difference is you have your financial planner to help you keep an eye on the stuff, he will advise you from time to time, his commission ride on the performance of the funds, hence if the funds are losing money then his commission will reduce as well

this is more suitable for those don't have the time to monitor prices all the time, and also to those very new to the world of UT like me icon_rolleyes.gif
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They charge a ~0.5%-1.0% p.a.wrap fee for those service. The wrap fee is based on total invested NAV, hence when your NAV goes down, his commission also goes down. However to compensate on the wrap fee, the sales charges are lowered to 0.5%-1.0% per purchase/switch accordingly.

So fee structure will be :-

1 Wrap fee 0.5%-1.0% p.a. based on daily NAV
2. Sales charge 0.5%-1.0% - one time
3. Fund Management fee - 1.0%-2.0% p.a. based on daily NAV

So for example your holding is 100K RM daily average, the 'FA' fees will be RM 500- RM 1000 per annum for his advice... wink.gif

So whether if it is suitable for you or not, depends.. and they only trade in UT carried by FSM. And each FA can have many clients... and your UT portfolio will tend to be trade heavy... whistling.gif

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 3 2013, 11:34 AM)
They charge a ~0.5%-1.0% p.a.wrap fee for those service. The wrap fee is based on total invested NAV, hence when your NAV goes down, his commission also goes down. However to compensate on the wrap fee, the sales charges are lowered to 0.5%-1.0% per purchase/switch accordingly.

So fee structure will be :-

1 Wrap fee 0.5%-1.0% p.a. based on daily NAV
2. Sales charge 0.5%-1.0% - one time
3. Fund Management fee - 1.0%-2.0% p.a. based on daily NAV

So for example your holding is 100K RM daily average, the 'FA' fees will be RM 500- RM 1000 per annum for his advice... wink.gif

So whether if it is suitable for you or not, depends.. and they only trade in UT carried by FSM. And each FA can have many clients... and your UT portfolio will tend to be trade heavy... whistling.gif
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Pakcik gark, u pernah pakai iFast? Why u know so much geh unsure.gif

If that's the case, better go to FSM direct, learn to DIY better doh.gif
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Pakcik gark, u pernah pakai iFast? Why u know so much geh unsure.gif

If that's the case, better go to FSM direct, learn to DIY better doh.gif
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No not using them.. just know only... biggrin.gif

Not everyone expert like you can DIY...

Maybe you can become FA here... charge 0.25% for you to 'DIY' other people's account. rclxms.gif Can earn side money... icon_rolleyes.gif

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No not using them.. just know only... biggrin.gif

Not everyone expert like you can DIY...

Maybe you can become FA here... charge 0.25% for you to 'DIY' other people's account.  rclxms.gif Can earn side money... icon_rolleyes.gif
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Big shark got RM100K NAV, RM100K x 0.25% = RM250

per month or per annum jek brows.gif
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Big shark got RM100K NAV, RM100K x 0.25% = RM250

per month or per annum jek brows.gif
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per annum... tongue.gif Ok what, click click 2-3 times a month only per client....More money look for more clients lah..

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per annum... tongue.gif  Look for more clients lah..
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Not worth my trouble, RM250 1 nite at pub already kaboom doh.gif
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But easy job mah.. click few times a month... monitor the balance... i think not hard work since you already doing the monitoring daily. tongue.gif

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per annum... tongue.gif  Ok what, click click 2-3 times a month only per client....More money look for more clients lah..
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Ooh u mean 0.25% PER PORTFOLIO REVIEW?

Worth thinking brows.gif

As usual, caveat emptor tongue.gif
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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 3 2013, 11:34 AM)
They charge a ~0.5%-1.0% p.a.wrap fee for those service. The wrap fee is based on total invested NAV, hence when your NAV goes down, his commission also goes down. However to compensate on the wrap fee, the sales charges are lowered to 0.5%-1.0% per purchase/switch accordingly.

So fee structure will be :-

1 Wrap fee 0.5%-1.0% p.a. based on daily NAV
2. Sales charge 0.5%-1.0% - one time
3. Fund Management fee - 1.0%-2.0% p.a. based on daily NAV

So for example your holding is 100K RM daily average, the 'FA' fees will be RM 500- RM 1000 per annum for his advice... wink.gif

So whether if it is suitable for you or not, depends.. and they only trade in UT carried by FSM. And each FA can have many clients... and your UT portfolio will tend to be trade heavy... whistling.gif
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fund switching is free iinm
my friend told me that for any subsequent topup, 3% will be imposed out of the amount, as the sales charge

not sure about the wrap fee rate though.. he told alot of things but now I forgot 70% of it, I am noob in $$ figures tongue.gif

update: wrap fee is 1.5% per annum

currently not much funds in iFast la, in the future might create a separate account in FSM, for now, let my friend earn abit duit kopi lorr whistling.gif

btw, how is the rate for FSM?

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WHAT KIND OF CHARGES DO I HAVE TO PAY?

A: There are 2 types of charges. One is the sales charge and the other is the annual expense of the fund.
The normal sales charge for most equity funds are around 7%. However, at Fundsupermart, the advantage is that most equity funds are sold at around 2% sales charge. The sales charge is applied at purchase.

The annual expense of the fund is what is charged to the fund. This includes the fund manager's annual management fee, and other administrative fees that are incurred in the running of the fund. You do not really need to fork out additional money to pay for the annual management charge to the fund manager. They will actually deduct it from the Net Asset Value of the fund daily, and the published price will take into account of the pro-rated annual management charge.



http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/faq.svdo?id=1083#1

so how is the calculation being carried out actually
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shit HSB dropping like shit.. is it normal?
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shit HSB dropping like shit.. is it normal?
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u refering to the bond ?

then maybe u should read this

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=3485
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expect further weakness in bonds
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Not worth my trouble, RM250 1 nite at pub already kaboom doh.gif
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Can I join you at the pub... haha
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Anytime will go up lori PDRM go on Buletin Utama geh wor, u want? laugh.gif
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Aiyo.. dont go hardcore one la, just for happyhour minum english tea nia ma
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Why pay RM80 drink at a "proper" pub when u can get naughty for RM70 at a not-so-proper pub? brows.gif

I'd rather drink at kopi shop pay RM30 for 2 bottles of Guinness then laugh.gif
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ah shit, if bond become weak then what should ppl do?
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ah shit, if bond become weak then what should ppl do?
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Rebalance portfolio to be equities heavy.. tongue.gif

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Rebalance portfolio to be equities heavy.. tongue.gif
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interest rate go up

bonds koyak

dividend equities also koyak

only 1 place to go - speculative small-mid caps and/or growth stocks

dare to bet? whistling.gif
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interest rate go up

bonds koyak

dividend equities also koyak

only 1 place to go - speculative small-mid caps and/or growth stocks

dare to bet? whistling.gif
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Dont dare bro... if dare also maybe invest RM1K which I think doesnt make sense.. tongue.gif
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Haha.. my equities dropped badly since end of last month. Bond drop, equities drop. Only cash management up LOL
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ May 31 2013, 11:02 AM)
Pinky, which region I have yet to cover for diversification purpose? =p

Alliance Global Diversified Property Fund
Alliance Global Equities Fund
CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund
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OSK-UOB KidSave Trust
Pacific Global Stars Fund

I'm planning to add EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS GLOBAL EMERGING MARKETS FUND next month. Any comments on this fund?

P.S OSK-UOB EMBF red since invested. lol
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Thank you for your email.

Based on the your current portfolio, you have exposures in different regions including Global, Asia ex Japan and Malaysia.

Your idea to include Eastspring Investment Global Emerging Markets Fund is fine as you have yet to have any exposure to this regions. It will compliment your diversification purpose.

Generally, there are not many funds in this region and the selected fund is our recommended fund. This market is volatile and you may need to have longer investment horizon to stomach the short term volatility.

Lastly, your asset allocation in equity is high and the portfolio is considered moderately aggressive.

Please do not hesitate to contact us if you need any assistance.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 3 2013, 04:58 PM)
keep cash under your blanket rclxms.gif
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ahaha.. keep at bank still have some interest le smile.gif so now better don do anything and autopilot? put bond ppl say less risk but drop more than my equity..
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Bonds Drop Globally as Stocks Reach Highs on Growth Optimism

Global bond markets posted their biggest monthly losses in nine years in May as the U.S. dollar rallied and stocks reached record highs amid speculation a strengthening U.S. economy will allow the Federal Reserve to reduce its monetary stimulus.

More at: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-02/b...h-optimism.html
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 3 2013, 05:04 PM)
interest rate go up

bonds koyak

dividend equities also koyak

only 1 place to go - speculative small-mid caps and/or growth stocks

dare to bet? whistling.gif
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Interest rate goes up,

1. bond koyak
2. property koyak
3. equity not necessary koyak.. but will be weak
4. gold koyak
5. Commodities koyak

.... FD winrar.. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jun 3 2013, 06:46 PM)
put bond ppl say less risk but drop more than my equity..
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Who told you one...

Depend on the bond lah..

Long term non investment grade bonds is higher risk than equities.

The safest bond is short term, AAA grade bonds... will hardly move one.


and...


watch out for reits...in high interest environment.

Up like bond...

drop like equity... brows.gif

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EM currencies is on hit:

Emerging Market Dominoes to Fall as SocGen Sees Rout

The worst month in a year for emerging-market currencies will prove to be more than a momentary bout of weakness to strategists at firms from UBS AG to Societe Generale SA who see the Federal Reserve weaning investors off its extraordinary stimulus.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-03/e...currencies.html
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rolleyes.gif wherever there is a depressed mood when the portfolio is "RED".....think of this evergreen word of wisdom that are so commonly used by the "investment advisers".........."market is volatile and you may need to have longer investment horizon to stomach the short term volatility. oops.gif thumbup.gif bruce.gif


but then again,...
"over the past decade, 2001-2012, 7% of all funds failed every single year, a sickening increase from the earlier golden age of mutual funds in the 1960s when only 1% of funds went under"......"While the mutual fund industry proudly posits that its mutual funds are designed for long-term investors, how can one invest for the long term in funds that may exist only for the short term?” asks the grand old man of the mutual fund industry."....
want to read more (30 May 2013):.......http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertlenzner/2013/05/30/mutual-funds-biting-the-dust-at-an-alarming-rate/

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can anyone advise the sales charge of FSM, as well as its annual management fee, if any? notworthy.gif
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can anyone advise the sales charge of FSM, as well as its annual management fee, if any? notworthy.gif
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Bro.. max sales charge is 2%

Annual management fee depends on funds, you need to look at fund fact sheet
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today portfolio drop lagi..
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jun 3 2013, 09:21 PM)
today portfolio drop lagi..
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Did you top up any fund then ?
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jun 3 2013, 09:21 PM)
today portfolio drop lagi..
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meaning the overall NAV drop?
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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Jun 3 2013, 09:30 PM)
meaning the overall NAV drop?
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he is referring to his overall portfolio drop i believe
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Jun 3 2013, 10:29 PM)
Did you top up any fund then ?
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no top up yet...
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Jun 3 2013, 10:32 PM)
he is referring to his overall portfolio drop i believe
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yeap.. overall drop. Bond also drop which makes matter worst..
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jun 3 2013, 09:34 PM)
no top up yet...
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tak nak value cost average ke ? this few weeks red wave
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Jun 3 2013, 10:37 PM)
tak nak value cost average ke ? this few weeks red wave
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mau.. but did that last week already. So mau rest for a while bro..
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There's a saying sounds "never catch a falling knife". whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jun 3 2013, 09:39 PM)
mau.. but did that last week already. So mau rest for a while bro..
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saving your ammo first ya ...
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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 3 2013, 07:45 PM)
watch out for reits...in high interest environment.

Up like bond...

drop like equity...  brows.gif
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I like this thumbup.gif
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I like this thumbup.gif
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So I should sell off my REIT fund now? :confused:
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jun 3 2013, 09:35 PM)
yeap.. overall drop. Bond also drop which makes matter worst..
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Mine (as at 31-May-13 NAV valuation):
1 month: +0.6%
3 months: +1.58%
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jun 3 2013, 09:44 PM)
So I should sell off my REIT fund now? :confused:
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we should buy REIT fund isn't it ?
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jun 3 2013, 09:44 PM)
So I should sell off my REIT fund now? :confused:
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Dunno u, but I'm neither selling nor topping up, just keep station. AmAsia Pac REITs is only 4.8% of my entire portfolio, not gonna be too worried even if it drops.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 3 2013, 09:44 PM)
Mine (as at 31-May-13 NAV valuation):
1 month: +0.6%
3 months: +1.58%
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you keep track of monthly fund performance also ka ?
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OSK EMB will be impacted for the upcoming weeks since EM currency and bond are on fire.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 3 2013, 10:46 PM)
Dunno u, but I'm neither selling nor topping up, just keep station. AmAsia Pac REITs is only 4.8% of my entire portfolio, not gonna be too worried even if it drops.
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My AmAPAC REITs drop from 9% in March to 0.9% today... jialat!!
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-OSK-UOB Golden Dragon Fund
-Hwang Select Asia (ex Japan) Quantum Fund
-OSK-UOB US Focus Equity Fund

did not observe any significant drop yet..
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jun 3 2013, 09:50 PM)
My AmAPAC REITs drop from 9% in March to 0.9% today... jialat!!
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Mine is 7.91% ROI and 9.66% IRR.

This is getting bad and heading south!
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Jun 3 2013, 09:49 PM)
you keep track of monthly fund performance also ka ?
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The power of MS Excel biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jun 3 2013, 09:50 PM)
My AmAPAC REITs drop from 9% in March to 0.9% today... jialat!!
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Banyak Juga. you didn't top up ka
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 3 2013, 09:54 PM)
The power of MS Excel biggrin.gif
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so you did record daily fund prices under your portfolio right ?
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Jun 3 2013, 09:57 PM)
so you did record daily fund prices under your portfolio right ?
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I only record latest NAV, I did not keep a loooooooooooooooooooooooooong list of historical NAV.

Today update 31-May-13 NAV mar, so I will copy and paste the P/L $, P/L %, IRR into another worksheet and save there. From there month-on-month and 3-months rolling P/L % is calculated.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jun 3 2013, 10:52 PM)
Mine is 7.91% ROI and 9.66% IRR.

This is getting bad and heading south!
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my IRR today is 2.5%
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Jun 3 2013, 10:55 PM)
Banyak Juga. you didn't top up ka
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last top up was in April
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My AmAsia Pac REITs IRR STILL beating FD rate, barely. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jun 3 2013, 09:59 PM)
my IRR today is 2.5%
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Sorry? Did I miss something? Today or to date?

Btw -9% in March to +0.9% now why jialat? Thought its a good thing? /blurface
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My portfolio as of end of May 2013

[attachmentid=3469774]

Fund | ROI | IRR

Public South East Asia Select Fund | 41.20 | 7.26
CIMB-Principal Australian Equity Fund | 24.42 | 14.19
Public Far East Select Fund | 22.57 | 3.01
AmAP REITs | 7.91 | 9.66
Public Asia Ittikal Fund | 8.87 | 1.46
AmDynamic Bond | 6.61 | 5.42
Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund - Class A | 3.07 | 8.37
CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund | 1.71 | 11.53
OSK-UOB EMB | 0.05 | 0.06

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jun 3 2013, 10:01 PM)
Sorry? Did I miss something? Today or to date?

Btw -9% in March to +0.9% now why jialat? Thought its a good thing? /blurface
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I think Kaka meants +9% IRR drop to +0.9% IRR tongue.gif

Mine lagi teruk, last month IRR still +20%++, now +4%+ rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jun 3 2013, 11:01 PM)
Sorry? Did I miss something? Today or to date?

Btw -9% in March to +0.9% now why jialat? Thought its a good thing? /blurface
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Today and to date.. i updated the latest NAV just now and my IRR shows 0.9%

+9% to 0.9% la bro...
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jun 3 2013, 09:59 PM)
my IRR today is 2.5%
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Didn't I share last month that my ROI touched > 10% before.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jun 3 2013, 10:02 PM)
My portfolio as of end of May 2013

[attachmentid=3469774]

Fund | ROI | IRR

Public South East Asia Select Fund | 41.20 | 7.26
CIMB-Principal Australian Equity Fund | 24.42 | 14.19
Public Far East Select Fund | 22.57 | 3.01
AmAP REITs | 7.91 | 9.66
Public Asia Ittikal Fund  | 8.87 | 1.46
AmDynamic Bond | 6.61 | 5.42
Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund - Class A | 3.07 | 8.37
CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund | 1.71 | 11.53
OSK-UOB EMB | 0.05 | 0.06
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How long have you been holding your first three funds?

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jun 3 2013, 11:03 PM)
Didn't I share last month that my ROI touched > 10% before.
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Cannot remember yours bro.. but my max ROI for this fund was 9.2%
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jun 3 2013, 10:05 PM)
Cannot remember yours bro.. but my max ROI for this fund was 9.2%
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Good time for you to buy in more? smile.gif
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jun 3 2013, 10:05 PM)
How long have you been holding your first three funds?
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Public South East Asia Select Fund since 2010
CIMB-Principal Australian Equity Fund since 2011
Public Far East Select Fund since 2005

That's IRR comes into play as Pink Spider recommended as indicator. PFES still hasn't reach back its IPO NAV and its highest peak NAV.
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IRR is useful to compare and benchmark. If you've been investing in a fund for >3 years already and its IRR still couldn't even beat 12-months FD, you might as well dump it. ROI is not useful as a comparison measure.

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 3 2013, 09:59 PM)
I only record latest NAV, I did not keep a loooooooooooooooooooooooooong list of historical NAV.

Today update 31-May-13 NAV mar, so I will copy and paste the P/L $, P/L %, IRR into another worksheet and save there. From there month-on-month and 3-months rolling P/L % is calculated.
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As expected. I tot you so rajin keep track of daily fund prices. btw i tot u said p/l $ & p/l % meaningless?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 3 2013, 10:11 PM)
IRR is useful to compare and benchmark. If you've been investing in a fund for >3 years already and its IRR still couldn't even beat 12-months FD, you might as well dump it. ROI is not useful as a comparison measure.
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Jun 3 2013, 10:12 PM)
As expected. I tot you so rajin keep track of daily fund prices. btw i tot u said p/l $ & p/l % meaningless?
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P/L $ is for me to know only, does not facilitate any comparison and review. Just to know how much profit I made in that month/last 3 months.

P/L % is for me to see how much my UT portfolio AS A WHOLE have grown for the past 1 and 3 months.

IRR is for INDIVIDUAL FUND performance review and monitoring, and to see whether my portfolio as a whole is beating the benchmark I set for it (recent EPF dividend rate).

See the difference? smile.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 3 2013, 10:11 PM)
IRR is useful to compare and benchmark. If you've been investing in a fund for >3 years already and its IRR still couldn't even beat 12-months FD, you might as well dump it. ROI is not useful as a comparison measure.
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I believe both have their use. I wouldn't say ROI is completely useless. That's why I ask how long has he been holding the fund.

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jun 3 2013, 11:07 PM)
Good time for you to buy in more? smile.gif
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I think it is good to top up, but i plan to wait another 2-3 weeks dulu. Last week top up on on other funds already.
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jun 3 2013, 10:16 PM)
I believe both have their use. I wouldn't say ROI is completely useless. That's why I ask how long has he been holding the fund.
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TakoC, emphasis on the word COMPARISON

E.g.
Fund A ROI: 20%
Fund B ROI 7%

But Fund A held for 10 years already, whereas Fund B only bought last year. ROI measure does not take into account of that.

IRR does. icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 3 2013, 11:16 PM)
P/L $ is for me to know only, does not facilitate any comparison and review. Just to know how much profit I made in that month/last 3 months.

P/L % is for me to see how much my UT portfolio AS A WHOLE have grown for the past 1 and 3 months.

IRR is for INDIVIDUAL FUND performance review and monitoring, and to see whether my portfolio as a whole is beating the benchmark I set for it (recent EPF dividend rate).

See the difference? smile.gif
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Are you planning to review last 6 months and 1 year as well?
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jun 3 2013, 10:20 PM)
Are you planning to review last 6 months and 1 year as well?
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Gonna do something like FSM, 1 month, 3 months and 1 year. But my data only have last 3 months currently, previous data all deleted already laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 3 2013, 11:18 PM)
TakoC, emphasis on the word COMPARISON

E.g.
Fund A ROI: 20%
Fund B ROI 7%

But Fund A held for 10 years already, whereas Fund B only bought last year. ROI measure does not take into account of that.

IRR does. icon_rolleyes.gif
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ROI will be good for funds holding less than a year.

Also for sales guys to sell the fund.. Hehe
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 3 2013, 10:16 PM)
P/L $ is for me to know only, does not facilitate any comparison and review. Just to know how much profit I made in that month/last 3 months.

P/L % is for me to see how much my UT portfolio AS A WHOLE have grown for the past 1 and 3 months.

IRR is for INDIVIDUAL FUND performance review and monitoring, and to see whether my portfolio as a whole is beating the benchmark I set for it (recent EPF dividend rate).

See the difference? smile.gif
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Of course lo, all the while i keep track of both serve for the same purpose doh.gif just that i m curious previously you did mention that you don't track profit / lost %. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jun 3 2013, 10:22 PM)
ROI will be good for funds holding less than a year.

Also for sales guys to sell the fund.. Hehe
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Not sure if Pink agree with me on this, but I believe IRR is not suitable to compare funds of different duration.
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jun 3 2013, 10:30 PM)
Not sure if Pink agree with me on this, but I believe IRR is not suitable to compare funds of different duration.
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Huh blink.gif

Let me try to interpret your words...

Best example is AmAsia Pacific REITs.

- 1-2 months ago I'm having this wonderful 20%++ IRR on this fund, I'm invested in this fund for slightly over 6 months only
- My IRR for OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield is only a humble 3-4%, but I'm invested in it for years already

Short-term strong performance of a fund that u only bought recently will push IRR to a wonderfully pretty level. See what happened to the IRR now? tongue.gif

Do I get u right? notworthy.gif

But when u are comparing a 3 years old fund with a 5 years old fund, I think IRR can pakai. Just that IRR for a fund <1 year is not meaningful.

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jun 3 2013, 11:30 PM)
Not sure if Pink agree with me on this, but I believe IRR is not suitable to compare funds of different duration.
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For me, if comparing purely returns for few funds with different time bought, i will still compare using IRR. IRR is based on annualized. I am no finance background, but that is my interpretation.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 3 2013, 10:21 PM)
Gonna do something like FSM, 1 month, 3 months and 1 year. But my data only have last 3 months currently, previous data all deleted already laugh.gif
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you are not too late to start keep track of 1mon, 3mon, or 1 year. you can always trace back the historical fund price ma. some more "the power of excel" may help you come out a good data sheet ma.
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Jun 3 2013, 10:38 PM)
you are not too late to start keep track of 1mon, 3mon, or 1 year. you can always trace back the historical fund price ma. some more "the power of excel" may help you come out a good data sheet ma.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 3 2013, 11:40 PM)
Tailou, I have a job and (half) a life okay, I have better things to do laugh.gif
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Ya, like go pubs.. Haha
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ISM manufacturing gauge worst in four years

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In U.S. markets on Monday, stocks SPX extended gains despite the surprising decline in the ISM index. Markets have been concerned about when the Federal Reserve will start reducing the rate of bond purchases, so news on the economy that is soft can sometimes be received positively by traders.


Good news go up, bad news also go up. Sometimes I also rclxub.gif

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KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysian bonds outperformed regional counterparts in May after Barisan Nasional under Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak's election victory removed the risk of a power shift, prompting analysts to maintain forecasts for appreciation in the ringgit this year.

More at: http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...29&sec=business
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Agreed on positive bonds movement.

Im quite surprise i can breakeven in 2months time with just 25% bond+ 50% equity fund. Balanced fund btw.

It's my first time.
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Agreed on positive bonds movement.

Im quite surprise i can breakeven in 2months time with just 25% bond+ 50% equity fund. Balanced fund btw.

It's my first time.
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Malaysian bonds beat peers after Barisan win

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysian bonds outperformed regional counterparts in May after Barisan Nasional under Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak's election victory removed the risk of a power shift, prompting analysts to maintain forecasts for appreciation in the ringgit this year.

More at: http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...29&sec=business
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CIMB islamic Balanced Fund.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 4 2013, 09:10 AM)
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aiks.. as much as i like ringgit to strengthen.. but it will pull all the foreign fund down >< it's time to pump Malaysia based equity fund? biggrin.gif HSB got 85% ringgit based bond, but yet dropping... i cannot understand bond la ><
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Jun 4 2013, 09:15 AM)
Anyone still topping up AmAsia Pacific Reits? haha
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Just as gold is undergoing a "dead cat bounce", AmAsia Pac REITs has been going up 20%++ in 1 year, and now it drops (a bit). U wanna bet that it will continue its crazy 20%+ gain a year?

"Gentlemen, please place your bets..." wub.gif

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jun 4 2013, 09:17 AM)
aiks.. as much as i like ringgit to strengthen.. but it will pull all the foreign fund down >< it's time to pump Malaysia based equity fund? biggrin.gif HSB got 85% ringgit based bond, but yet dropping... i cannot understand bond la ><
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85% Ringgit exposure does not mean that HSB is holding 85% Malaysian bonds

HSB does currency hedging to hedge against forex movements in its portfolio.

Google "currency hedging", "forward contracts" to read about it.

I given all back to my lecturer already tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 4 2013, 09:18 AM)
Just as gold is undergoing a "dead cat bounce", AmAsia Pac REITs has been going up 20%++ in 1 year, and now it drops (a bit). U wanna bet that it will continue its crazy 20%+ gain a year?

"Gentlemen, please place your bets..." wub.gif
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Not hoping that it will bounce back to 20%.. just to lower the average cost per unit, plan to hold for a long time. Unless REITs plunges down to bottom sea level blink.gif
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jun 4 2013, 09:17 AM)
HSB got 85% ringgit based bond, but yet dropping... i cannot understand bond la ><
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 4 2013, 10:36 AM)
both UT portfolio and stock portfolio can ride on autopilot mode liao yawn.gif
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jun 4 2013, 10:52 AM)
I also plan autopilot but will keep topping up.. just dunno wat to top up, maybe CMF lolz..
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I also plan autopilot but will keep topping up.. just dunno wat to top up, maybe CMF lolz..
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CMF is not investment, it is savings/excess cash parking laugh.gif
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Also not sure where to top up at the moment rclxub.gif

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Also not sure where to top up at the moment  rclxub.gif

What are people's views on Indonesia for the long term (next 5 years+?)
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Anyone still topping up AmAsia Pacific Reits? haha
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Jun 4 2013, 09:22 AM)
Not hoping that it will bounce back to 20%.. just to lower the average cost per unit, plan to hold for a long time. Unless REITs plunges down to bottom sea level blink.gif
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lets do it biggrin.gif i will top up if it goes red to double digits. now is -6.xx% for me. I doubt REITs will be worthless, the rental yield is still there ma..

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 2 2013, 12:34 AM)
icon_question.gif Pink<,,,...
on this file, why when i changed the dividend value on cell F4 from 52.66 to 552.66...the IRR value of 15.98% on cell J6 will change to (error) #Name?

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Talking about malaysian bond, today Kenanga bond drop alot
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icon_question.gif Pink<,,,...
on this file, why when i changed the dividend value on cell F4 from 52.66 to 552.66...the IRR value of 15.98% on cell J6 will change to (error) #Name?
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I get IRR becomes 68.28% when I do that...no such problem blink.gif
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Talking about malaysian bond, today Kenanga bond drop alot
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My UT portfolio drops RM80++, but my local stock portfolio gains RM120++

The beauty of diversification rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 4 2013, 08:56 PM)
I get IRR becomes 68.28% when I do that...no such problem blink.gif
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hmm.gif ...the file that i see got this words ....(read only file)......at the end of the file name.
did you do file protection?

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 4 2013, 09:58 PM)
My UT portfolio drops RM80++, but my local stock portfolio gains RM120++

The beauty of diversification rclxms.gif
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wah stock one day can earn so much ya.. tongue.gif
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hmm.gif ...the file that i see goo this (read only file)......at the end of the file name.
did you do file protection?
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Unker, senang je...just open the file, do whatever changes u want, then go "File" > "Save As" to save as a new file name. The password protection will be gone.

The purpose of setting "Read-only" protection is because I don't wanna accidentally saved some unwanted changes

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jun 4 2013, 09:01 PM)
wah stock one day can earn so much ya.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 4 2013, 09:02 PM)
Unker, senang je...just open the file, do whatever changes u want, then go "File" > "Save As" to save as a new file name. The password protection will be gone.

The purpose of setting "Read-only" protection is because I don't wanna accidentally saved some unwanted changes
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notworthy.gif thks....i now tried using another pc..ok liao.
dun know why cannot..maybe different version of office
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notworthy.gif thks....i now tried using another pc..ok liao.
dun know why cannot..maybe different version of office
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FYI, older version of Excel cannot calculate/support XIRR formula. U gotta download something like an add-on/patch, like what I did last time.

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AmAPAC REITs down again!
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AmAPAC REITs down again!
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Buy lor ...
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Buy lor ...
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AmAPAC REITs down again!
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You know you can't wait 1-2 weeks tongue.gif
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Bullet need to keep
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foresee red sea coming?
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Just in case bro..
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Stocks ticked higher, with the Dow looking to log its 21st-consecutive Tuesday in positive territory, following the latest trade deficit report and ahead of some key Federal Reserve speakers.


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Just in case bro..
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why are you think so ? hint ?
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Yea~ jialat.. Whn reach -10% I mau top up also laugh.gif
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Yea~ jialat.. Whn reach -10% I mau top up also laugh.gif
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hmm.gif when it reached -10% many will want wait for -12% then..... cool2.gif

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hmm.gif when it reached -10% many will want wait for -12% then..... cool2.gif
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haha i dont want wait liao! but hope it wont reach that stage la.. mine still at -7%
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Published: Tuesday, 4 Jun 2013 | 9:58 AM ETBy: JeeYeon Park | CNBC.com Writer
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means it will continue to rally right since most likely they wont stop QE due to weak reports
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means it will continue to rally right since most likely they wont stop QE due to weak reports
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Plotted the 1-month treasury yield curve and the yield has been increasing since mid-may.

Bond yield increases when there is a decrease in bond-buying (demand).

From Feb 13 to May 13, the yield has been on a gradual decline from a maximum of 0.12% to a minimum of 0% in mid-may. The average YTD 1-mo yield is 0.05%. As of Jun 4, the yield was 0.05%. This could be a possible indication of the Fed tapering its bond-buying program of $85 bil/month. (see jpeg attached)

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lol.. those invested in AmAsia Pacific REITs still okay since the fund is diversified into several countries.

Imagine the REIT fund I am holding focus on 1 country.. icon_question.gif unsure.gif sweat.gif doh.gif
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Thinking to switch some of my OSK-UOB EM Bond to Hwang Select Bond hmm.gif

Btw, anyone noticed that previous FSM favourite, OUEMBF is no longer in the Top 5 sales list?

QUOTE(jerrymax @ Jun 5 2013, 09:33 AM)
lol.. those invested in AmAsia Pacific REITs still okay since the fund is diversified into several countries.

Imagine the REIT fund I am holding focus on 1 country..  icon_question.gif  unsure.gif  sweat.gif  doh.gif
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Yeah, my IRR still in excess of 12-M FD rate, still acceptable

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Thinking to switch some of my OSK-UOB EM Bond to Hwang Select Bond hmm.gif

Btw, anyone noticed that previous FSM favourite, OUEMBF is no longer in the Top 5 sales list?
Yeah, my IRR still in excess of 12-M FD rate, still acceptable
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Bro.. we need to target higher than FD lei. Min also need to beat EPF la...
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Bro.. we need to target higher than FD lei. Min also need to beat EPF la...
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Haven't beated it yet meh? hmm.gif
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Bro.. we need to target higher than FD lei. Min also need to beat EPF la...
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FD is my lowest tolerance lo, of course AIM higher.

Remember, evaluate performance on PORTFOLIO basis nod.gif

Today's underperformer might turn out to be tomorrow's high flyer, and vice versa. Thus, don't fret too much about a single fund's underperformance and don't be too obsessed about today's high flyer.

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Haven't beated it yet meh?  hmm.gif
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Already beat EPF.. but not enough, hehe.. since there will be volatility or corrections, so need higher than EPF lagi to cushion the unexpected drop!
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Pink Spider, does a fund's NAV usually fluctuate within the 1-yr high and 1-yr low range?

Funds like Hwang Select Income doesn't seem to break out of the 1-yr high and 3-yr high of 0.68. Even if it did, it was only marginally to 0.6829. Thereafter, it's a downhill movement to fall back to preceding levels of the 0.68. hmm.gif

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Already beat EPF.. but not enough, hehe.. since there will be volatility or corrections, so need higher than EPF lagi to cushion the unexpected drop!
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I'm planning to invest in a fund for my sister. She's been keeping it in her bank account earning dust. KidSave, what do you guys think.

Don't dare to take too much risk with her money.
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QUOTE(yenforyen @ Jun 5 2013, 10:23 AM)
Pink Spider, does a fund's NAV usually fluctuate within the 1-yr high and 1-yr low range?

Funds like Hwang Select Income doesn't seem to break out of the 1-yr high and 3-yr high of 0.68. Even if it did, it was only marginally to 0.6829. Thereafter, it's a downhill movement to fall back to preceding levels of the 0.68.  hmm.gif
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Boss, Hwang Select Income Fund makes distributions usually twice a year which will bring NAV price down.

Don't look at NAV price lar, it does not mean much.

QUOTE(TakoC @ Jun 5 2013, 10:25 AM)
I'm planning to invest in a fund for my sister. She's been keeping it in her bank account earning dust. KidSave, what do you guys think.

Don't dare to take too much risk with her money.
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Hwang Select Income Fund lower risk than KidSave wink.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 5 2013, 10:27 AM)
Boss, Hwang Select Income Fund makes distributions usually twice a year which will bring NAV price down.

Don't look at NAV price lar, it does not mean much.
Hwang Select Income Fund lower risk than KidSave wink.gif
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Well yes, even if distributions come into play, I still don't quite get the concept behind the range-bound NAV. -__-

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Well yes, even if distributions come into play, I still don't quite get the concept behind the range-bound NAV. -__-
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jun 5 2013, 11:25 AM)
I'm planning to invest in a fund for my sister. She's been keeping it in her bank account earning dust. KidSave, what do you guys think.

Don't dare to take too much risk with her money.
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Ya.. Kidsave is good. Just dont do lump sum, unless she says she will not need the money for 5 years, then I will consider lump sum.


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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 5 2013, 10:27 AM)
Boss, Hwang Select Income Fund makes distributions usually twice a year which will bring NAV price down.

Don't look at NAV price lar, it does not mean much.
Hwang Select Income Fund lower risk than KidSave wink.gif
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Ya. But I figure balance fund. If one side hit, it won't be that bad I guess.

Past performance not bad too. I know, I know.. past performance not indicator of future performance.

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