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 Fundsupermart.com v3, Manage your own unit trust portfolio

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post Jun 1 2013, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Jun 1 2013, 12:12 PM)
not bad.. the fund is quite big at 2 bil smile.gif , is it just me or sometimes i look into fund investment based on how big they are ?
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The bigger the fund, the less efficient the management will be. If a fund is too big, it cannot make purchases without distorting the whole market. Hence big funds can only buy very very liquid stocks hence becoming more like an index fund already, as the list of stocks they can buy is limited.

A good example is public smallcap became sooooo big, until the performance is affected before they decided too late to close the fund.

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post Jun 1 2013, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 1 2013, 03:02 PM)
Hwang SIF is more yield-focused, not so trade-happy. Should not affect much IMHO
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Yeah.. but it was a general reply to those who think that bigger funds = better. tongue.gif

Still even though it is yield focus, the big size does limit some of the purchases. For example if SIF decide to invest in like illiquid stock with good yield like Hup Seng.. what would happen? tongue.gif

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post Jun 3 2013, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Jun 3 2013, 06:30 AM)
wouldn't call it an advantage, but the difference is you have your financial planner to help you keep an eye on the stuff, he will advise you from time to time, his commission ride on the performance of the funds, hence if the funds are losing money then his commission will reduce as well

this is more suitable for those don't have the time to monitor prices all the time, and also to those very new to the world of UT like me icon_rolleyes.gif
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They charge a ~0.5%-1.0% p.a.wrap fee for those service. The wrap fee is based on total invested NAV, hence when your NAV goes down, his commission also goes down. However to compensate on the wrap fee, the sales charges are lowered to 0.5%-1.0% per purchase/switch accordingly.

So fee structure will be :-

1 Wrap fee 0.5%-1.0% p.a. based on daily NAV
2. Sales charge 0.5%-1.0% - one time
3. Fund Management fee - 1.0%-2.0% p.a. based on daily NAV

So for example your holding is 100K RM daily average, the 'FA' fees will be RM 500- RM 1000 per annum for his advice... wink.gif

So whether if it is suitable for you or not, depends.. and they only trade in UT carried by FSM. And each FA can have many clients... and your UT portfolio will tend to be trade heavy... whistling.gif

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post Jun 3 2013, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 3 2013, 11:41 AM)
Pakcik gark, u pernah pakai iFast? Why u know so much geh unsure.gif

If that's the case, better go to FSM direct, learn to DIY better doh.gif
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No not using them.. just know only... biggrin.gif

Not everyone expert like you can DIY...

Maybe you can become FA here... charge 0.25% for you to 'DIY' other people's account. rclxms.gif Can earn side money... icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Jun 3 2013, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 3 2013, 11:54 AM)
Big shark got RM100K NAV, RM100K x 0.25% = RM250

per month or per annum jek brows.gif
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per annum... tongue.gif Ok what, click click 2-3 times a month only per client....More money look for more clients lah..

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post Jun 3 2013, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 3 2013, 11:56 AM)
Not worth my trouble, RM250 1 nite at pub already kaboom doh.gif
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But easy job mah.. click few times a month... monitor the balance... i think not hard work since you already doing the monitoring daily. tongue.gif

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post Jun 3 2013, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 3 2013, 05:04 PM)
interest rate go up

bonds koyak

dividend equities also koyak

only 1 place to go - speculative small-mid caps and/or growth stocks

dare to bet? whistling.gif
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Interest rate goes up,

1. bond koyak
2. property koyak
3. equity not necessary koyak.. but will be weak
4. gold koyak
5. Commodities koyak

.... FD winrar.. rclxms.gif
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post Jun 3 2013, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jun 3 2013, 06:46 PM)
put bond ppl say less risk but drop more than my equity..
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Who told you one...

Depend on the bond lah..

Long term non investment grade bonds is higher risk than equities.

The safest bond is short term, AAA grade bonds... will hardly move one.


and...


watch out for reits...in high interest environment.

Up like bond...

drop like equity... brows.gif

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post Jun 10 2013, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jun 10 2013, 07:58 AM)
Gosh. I will never let my portfolio touch that high % of loss. Definitely will cut loss.
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Why cut loss... shouldn't you buy more.. isn't that what portfolio balancing is about. If you cut loss you are timing the market. and most market timers do not fare well. Most of the time, the market bounced back when most retail investors cannot take it anymore and cut loss....thats where bull markets are born. wink.gif

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post Jun 10 2013, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 10 2013, 10:17 AM)
1. Recommended Funds
2. Recommended Portfolios
3. Fund Selector > search for funds with higher Sharpe and Risk-Return ratios
4. Talk to their Client Investment Specialist
5. Discuss with us here biggrin.gif
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Alternatively ask pinky to help you construct portfolio... then pay him 1%. tongue.gif

Cheaper than the 5.5% you pay your UT consultant right? laugh.gif
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post Jun 10 2013, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jun 10 2013, 10:25 AM)
-40% wor?!?! If your total portfolio is RM1k OK lar. If RM10k how? That's what I think lar. You have to ask David for details. He's the one who really encountered that before.
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Well my UT investment during 2008/2009 also down to >-50% also like that, the lower it goes the more i buy.. now already >60% gain. tongue.gif Selling my bond as fast as it can during the period to switch to equity. Now waiting for the next downturn .. whee...

And the amount is not little, it's 6 figures. wink.gif Once you have a method (ie. balancing), you can block out emotions easily.

But not for the faint hearted. Whatever goes up will eventually comes down and vice versa. The bigger the drop, the more you will earn eventually...

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post Jun 10 2013, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jun 10 2013, 10:34 AM)
is that for just 1 fund? what about yr whole portfolio? how many % drop?
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No not 1 fund, but several... i place >50% in pacific ex japan and some in US, china etc. More or less equity is >80%, You think leh?

Whole portfolio is about -45% lar at the worst period.

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post Jun 10 2013, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jun 10 2013, 10:37 AM)
I support the theory that whatever go up will go down and vice versa. But the question is ever over how long period, and you will never know when it hit rock bottom.

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No you never know when it hit rock bottom, but by balancing your portfolio, you can follow the downtrend.

The trick is not looking for the absolute bottom, just ride it down and ride it back up again....and average out your cost on the way.

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post Jun 10 2013, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 10 2013, 10:41 AM)
For me, I'd sell or suspend topping up on the winners, and switch ammo on the losers. I won't sailang on the losers outright, as u won't know when it will bottom, right? What if u ran out of ammo before it bottom? icon_idea.gif
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Ya thats right, buy gradually....never put in a lump sump bet.

Ammo very important, so make sure you have the buying power during bad times... laugh.gif

No ammo, how to fight war.. mah just surrender only. tongue.gif

UT movement already consider very mild... when you start play equity directly.. even more challenging. brows.gif

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post Jun 10 2013, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(GottliebDaimler @ Jun 10 2013, 10:44 AM)
Ride it down and ride it back up, what if it doesn't go back up notworthy.gif Any possibilities on this?
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History shows eventually it will unless the whole economy destroyed by war... even though Europe/Japan economy is bombed to shit during WW2, also bounced back eventually wat. tongue.gif Can't get worse than that..

If you follow balancing correctly, you would have reduced equity or suspend when the prices shoot astronomically, so you won't be left holding the bag either.. unless you did not do that.. tongue.gif

If you are greedy and buy MORE at the top.. then good luck lah... tongue.gif

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post Jun 10 2013, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 10 2013, 10:47 AM)
Yeah, I learnt the lesson years ago.

Now I gave up on trying to have all winners and no losers. So long as portfolio as a whole is performing, why fret? smile.gif
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If you have 7 out of 10 become winners, you would have beaten WB already... wink.gif His average is 6.5..

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post Jun 10 2013, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jun 10 2013, 10:48 AM)
hmm.gif always wondering where to keep on having ammo.
after invested for a period of time....what one get is the extra monies left (after pay-expenses) for investment monthly.
with the little ammo left, how to fight? icon_question.gif
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Ammo can be kept in your bond portion or separate emergency fund...
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post Jun 10 2013, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(GottliebDaimler @ Jun 10 2013, 10:50 AM)
I am trying to digest this.
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1st before you digest, what is your expectation.. if you want average earning of 20% then might as well forget it, you will head to your doom by being greedy.

I target only 8% return yearly...on average ... over very very long term.

Have a realistic target and you will not stress over it too much.

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post Jun 10 2013, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jun 10 2013, 10:56 AM)
with the ammo from yr bond portion,...in 2008/09 where do you use it? helping the worst performer or the lease losers or the best performer?
just wanted to know
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Sell most bond winners and move to worst performing equity.... because bond went up during the period and equity dropped. Why you want to put in best performer? rclxub.gif


Pink Spider Please give these people the portfolio balancing theory lesson? tongue.gif

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post Jun 10 2013, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Jun 10 2013, 11:04 AM)
Even at -45% loss you still invested right? Do you cash out partially or keep topping up?
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No I was fully invested, add fresh funds and switch bonds. wink.gif

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