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post May 2 2013, 02:13 AM, updated 13y ago

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what? we reached the end of V8 already?
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what? we reached the end of V8 already?
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bring in a new topic plz..come on..any new rumours or something about ATM..?
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bring in a new topic plz..come on..any new rumours or something about ATM..?
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we are going for 3 MRSS + 10 training ships. biggrin.gif
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we are going for 3 MRSS + 10 training ships. biggrin.gif
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13 ships?? thats a lotta of money
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ May 2 2013, 03:02 AM)
13 ships?? thats a lotta of money
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should be around RM2.2bil-RM3bil
samudara class ship cost below RM200mil a unit
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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 2 2013, 03:05 AM)
should be around RM2.2bil-RM3bil
samudara class ship cost below RM200mil a unit
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3 MRSS..presumably Dokdo or Mistral.. both of them cost about USD 500mil per ship..or navy have cheaper plan for MRSS?
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3 MRSS..presumably Dokdo or Mistral.. both of them cost about USD 500mil per ship..or navy have cheaper plan for MRSS?
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unknown yet. after GE only announce.
less than USD500mil. if we are getting dokdo class it would be a mini version.
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why many training ships instead of more frigates and corvettes? but i assume the training ships can be refitted for frigates/ corvettes duty..yep..i think thats what the RMN was planning for..
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why many training ships instead of more frigates and corvettes?  but i assume the training ships can be refitted for frigates/ corvettes duty..yep..i think thats what the RMN was planning for..
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that what they have been planning for.
btw that was 2010 news laugh.gif
from what I heard MRSS planning have been push further to 2015.
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Why do we need that much MRSS when we do not have enough helicopters to use it with?

Sure, you can put troops, tanks and such but not having helicopters on MRSS kinda cripples its capabilities does it not?
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QUOTE(DeFaeco @ May 2 2013, 09:40 AM)
Why do we need that much MRSS when we do not have enough helicopters to use it with?

Sure, you can put troops, tanks and such but not having helicopters on MRSS kinda cripples its capabilities does it not?
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I believe we are getting heli.
I doubt we are going for LHD anyway.
LPD with 2 heli is more like it.

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QUOTE(DeFaeco @ May 2 2013, 09:40 AM)
Why do we need that much MRSS when we do not have enough helicopters to use it with?

Sure, you can put troops, tanks and such but not having helicopters on MRSS kinda cripples its capabilities does it not?
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right now TLDM is cripple with only 2 MRSS in service!

Ayam thingking the galicia class or the rotterdamn class!

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QUOTE(bai1101 @ May 2 2013, 11:45 AM)
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QUOTE(bai1101 @ May 2 2013, 11:45 AM)
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yes they have.
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base on wiki there have 6 of it....

what size r them compare our scorpion?
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QUOTE(bai1101 @ May 2 2013, 11:55 AM)
base on wiki there have 6 of it....

what size r them compare our scorpion?
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our sub is slightly bigger compare to the latest 2 SG submarines IINM

PM class
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QUOTE(DeFaeco @ May 2 2013, 09:40 AM)
Why do we need that much MRSS when we do not have enough helicopters to use it with?

Sure, you can put troops, tanks and such but not having helicopters on MRSS kinda cripples its capabilities does it not?
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ATM depends on these ships for sealift capability

logistics are currently crippled when that one ship got burned,but don't tell the sulus that
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ May 2 2013, 11:33 AM)
right now TLDM is cripple with only 2 MRSS in service!

Ayam thingking the galicia class or the rotterdamn class!
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i want one dokdo class haha tongue.gif , and one LPD type
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QUOTE(bai1101 @ May 2 2013, 11:55 AM)
base on wiki there have 6 of it....

what size r them compare our scorpion?
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and they are about to add more

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i want one dokdo class haha tongue.gif , and one LPD type
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QUOTE(hafizushi @ May 2 2013, 02:01 PM)
i want one dokdo class haha tongue.gif , and one LPD type
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let put a side what class TLDM gonna buy,
what type of MRSS TLDM looking for? flat top type like MISTRAL CLASS or tanker type like BUNGA MAS 5 ?
is it above 10,000tonnes or below 10,000tonnes?
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QUOTE(James831 @ May 2 2013, 05:15 PM)
let put a side what class TLDM gonna buy,
what type of MRSS TLDM looking for? flat top type like MISTRAL CLASS or tanker type like BUNGA MAS 5 ?
is it above 10,000tonnes or below 10,000tonnes?
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IINM the earlier plan is to buy similar to the Rotterdam and Galicia Class LDP with more then 100000 tonnes displacement
but since the Korean show off the Dokdo, TLDM are also thinking of procuring LHD that have more capabilities!
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ May 2 2013, 05:27 PM)
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QUOTE(Mustadio @ May 2 2013, 05:52 PM)
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when can we have a large-scale military parade like russia..Merdeka Day always filled with all those kereta-kereta berhias from department and ministries of this and that..dancings by students from convent..so boring..armed forces only gets to show a little of their troops parade in it.. cry.gif
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its not in our military culture.we're more known as 'quiet professionals' than chest beating monkeys
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why is it when its ATM kills terrorists its acceptable to take pictures but when I take a picture of me tea-bagging a dead terrorist its suddenly 'poor taste' and a 'war crime'

F*ck you JAG
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QUOTE(heavyduty @ May 3 2013, 02:17 AM)
why is it when its ATM kills terrorists its acceptable to take pictures but when I take a picture of me tea-bagging a dead terrorist its suddenly 'poor taste' and a 'war crime'

F*ck you JAG
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dude you're tea bagging a dead man?

you life is so twilight
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compare the price one gowind frigate we are going to buy and a price of dokdo class, which one is pricier??


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QUOTE(hafizushi @ May 3 2013, 09:04 AM)
compare the price one gowind frigate we are going to buy and a price of dokdo class, which one is pricier??
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y wanna compare a dokdo class with a gowind class?
two differ thing.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 3 2013, 09:17 AM)
y wanna compare a dokdo class with a gowind class?
two differ thing.
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i know, i just want to know the price of dokdo class i mean is it so expensive where ATM able to buy or not
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i know, i just want to know the price of dokdo class i mean is it so expensive where ATM able to buy or not
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I dun think we are buying it.
estimated to cost USD300mil for basic unit.
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I dun think we are buying it.
estimated to cost USD300mil for basic unit.
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for gowind estimated USD500 for one ship

RM 9billion for 6 frigate

but yeah USD300 without the heli, with heli price might be a lot more
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QUOTE(hafizushi @ May 3 2013, 09:42 AM)
for gowind estimated USD500 for one ship

RM 9billion for 6 frigate

but yeah USD300 without the heli, with heli price might be a lot more
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USD3bil is the maximum budget for gowind class.
so it could be less than USD3bil.
I suspect they will transfer some of the money to the kedah class for upgrade and weapon systems.
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flait sarjan

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yup..a brain..my god..what kind of guns did our soldier use in that place? every soldier used 50. cal or something? all of them mundu's heads blown to bits like otak-otak bakar.. shocking.gif
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yup..a brain..my god..what kind of guns did our soldier use in that place? every soldier used 50. cal or something? all of them mundu's heads blown to bits like otak-otak bakar..  shocking.gif
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old soviet tactics. during the 1st gulf war, a large chunk of destroyed iraqi tanks was found in this position
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2013 Defence White Paper: Australian Defence Force Posture
Prime Minister, Minister for Defence | 3 May 2013 Friday

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The Prime Minister, Julia Gillard presents the details of the 2013 Defence White Paper at Fairbairn Defence Establishment Canberra, on May 3, 2013.

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BERLIN - The German government has approved the sale to Indonesia of about 100 used Leopard 2 tanks and 50 armoured personnel carriers but has put off a decision on a tank sale to Saudi Arabia, a defence source said on Friday.

Germany's national security council, which includes Chancellor Angela Merkel and some cabinet ministers, must approve large arms sales and the government never comments on its decisions.

Indonesia, southeast Asia's largest economy, had previously indicated it would buy 130 Leopard tanks from Germany's Rheinmetall AG as part of a US$15 billion (S$18.5b) five-year campaign to modernise its military.

The German source did not say how much the deal was worth but Indonesia said last year the value of the initial agreement to buy 130 tanks was US$280 million.

Indonesia, which has economic growth of above 6 per cent, is wary of being left behind as China, Vietnam, Thailand and other Asian nations ramp up defence spending. This year it announced plans to buy more than a dozen Russian Sukhoi fighter jets as well as domestically made, missile-equipped patrol ships.

The industry source said Berlin would delay a decision on whether to sell tanks to Saudi Arabia until after the federal election in September. It is a sensitive issue in Germany where the opposition criticises sales to some Middle Eastern countries because of their human rights record.


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Bionix ?
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almost every tracked IFV looks like that,its the generic look for em'

unmanned turret,something for ATM to look into,better than their hard-on for one man turrets
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unmanned turret,something for ATM to look into,better than their hard-on for one man turrets
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everybody balik kampung to vote ka? so quiet this thread..i'm lonely rite now..
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Penugasan PDRM PRU-13

5 Mei 2013, 5.30 pagi – Sebelum memulakan tugas PRU-13, YDH ACP Shaharon Anuar Bin Abdul Latif Ketua Polis Daerah Batu Gajah memberi taklimat dan kata-kata semangat kepada semua anggota supaya menjalankan tugas dengan sebaik mungkin supaya tidak ada perkara tidak diingini berlaku.

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05.05.2013 - Hari ini merupakan hari bagi seluruh rakyat Malaysia yang layak untuk keluar mengundi. Penugasan bagi pegawai/anggota PDRM telah bermula sejak jam 0500 hrs. Selepas diberikan taklimat semua pegawai/anggota akan berjumpa di tempat-tempat yang telah ditetapkan bagi berjumpa dengan Ketua Tempat Mengundi (KTM) dan mengawal peti undi yang dibawa oleh KTM. Seterusnya pegawai/anggota polis bersama KTM akan pergi ke tempat mengundi yang telah ditetapkan.

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Suasana hari mengundi dan penugasan polis di sekitar Kuala Lumpur dan Selangor

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#PRU13 #GE13 : Taklimat penugasan polis di Balai Travers.

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#PRU13 #GE13 : Kawalan keselamatan di jalan raya sebelum memasuki kawasan mengundi di SMK Bukit Bandaraya, Kuala Lumpur.

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#PRU13 #GE13: Rampasan bendera dan risalah terhadap penyokong parti-parti politik yang tidak mematuhi undang-undang di kawasan pembuangan undi.

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George Town,Timur Laut - Penugasan pegawai/anggota dari daerah Timur Laut dan bantuan luar semasa Hari Pembuangan Undi sempena PRU13. Penugasan ini melibatkan kawalan lalulintas dan kawalan keselamatan di pusat-pusat pembuangan undi yang dirakamkan disekitar kawasan bandar George Town. Semua pegawai/anggota yang terlibat dalam keadaan siapsiaga setelah diberi taklimat penugasan.

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Penugasan PDRM PRU-13 Part 2

Suasana hari mengundi dan penugasan polis di sekitar Kuala Lumpur dan Selangor

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#PRU13 #GE13 : Kawalan keselamatan di jalan raya sebelum memasuki kawasan mengundi di SMK Bukit Bandaraya, Kuala Lumpur.

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#PRU13 #GE13: Rampasan bendera dan risalah terhadap penyokong parti-parti politik yang tidak mematuhi undang-undang di kawasan pembuangan undi.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.5...13901684&type=1

George Town,Timur Laut - Penugasan pegawai/anggota dari daerah Timur Laut dan bantuan luar semasa Hari Pembuangan Undi sempena PRU13. Penugasan ini melibatkan kawalan lalulintas dan kawalan keselamatan di pusat-pusat pembuangan undi yang dirakamkan disekitar kawasan bandar George Town. Semua pegawai/anggota yang terlibat dalam keadaan siapsiaga setelah diberi taklimat penugasan.

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any of those police arrest pengundi hantu? i'm not condemning PDRM but..seriously man..too many banglas have IC with malay/chinese name go voting today..all of those ppl caught by PAS/PR people's..no pic showing police arrest those 'ghostvoters'..i must say, Jabatan Pendaftaran Negara is just too corrupt for giving these ICs! mad.gif
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ May 5 2013, 02:24 PM)
any of those police arrest pengundi hantu? i'm not condemning PDRM but..seriously man..too many banglas have IC with malay/chinese name go voting today..all of those ppl caught by PAS/PR people's..no pic showing police arrest those 'ghostvoters'..i must say, Jabatan Pendaftaran Negara is just too corrupt for giving these ICs!  mad.gif
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PDRM arresting some of the immigrants trying to vote at Sabah.
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his face looks like regular malaysian compare to the banglas in Peninsular..how did the PDRM found out?
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his face looks like regular malaysian compare to the banglas in Peninsular..how did the PDRM found out?
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They are tightly-knitted community. Silap tempat mau menipu da.

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They are tightly-knitted community. Silap tempat mau menipu da.
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weird..porous border in Sabah..but police can still sniff and caught those immigrants trying to vote..not to mension their face is very look-alike peribumi..but in peninsular, supposedly to have tighter border, but lots of banglas caught voting..and they travel by bus too.. sweat.gif
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They are tightly-knitted community. Silap tempat mau menipu da.
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orang kampung memang dah tau dia itu penipu rupanya.
that lads seem rage
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5 MEI 2013- PENUGASAN POLIS KUALA LUMPUR SEMPENA PILIHANRAYA UMUM KE-13

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ramainya polis gemuk.mana larinya standards
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ramainya polis gemuk.mana larinya standards
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Hishammuddin, isteri, anak dan menantu terselamat nahas helikopter

KUALA LUMPUR: Menteri Dalam Negeri, Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein, isteri, Datin Seri Tengku Marsilla Tengku Abdullah, anak dan menantunya terselamat dalam nahas helikopter di TUDM Sungai Besi, sebentar tadi.

Ketua Polis Negara, Tan Sri Ismail Omar mengesahkan identiti mangsa ketika nahas helikpter yang terbalik ketika hendak mendarat di Pangkalan Tentera Udara Diraja Malaysia (TUDM) pada kira-kira jam 3.50 petang itu. Ketika kejadian, rombongan menteri berkenaan dalam perjalanan pulang dari Johor apabila cuaca dan angin kencang menyebabkan pesawat terbabit tergelincir.

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Hishammuddin, isteri, anak dan menantu terselamat nahas helikopter

KUALA LUMPUR: Menteri Dalam Negeri, Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein, isteri, Datin Seri Tengku Marsilla Tengku Abdullah, anak dan menantunya terselamat dalam nahas helikopter di TUDM Sungai Besi, sebentar tadi.

Ketua Polis Negara, Tan Sri Ismail Omar mengesahkan identiti mangsa ketika nahas helikpter yang terbalik ketika hendak mendarat di Pangkalan Tentera Udara Diraja Malaysia (TUDM) pada kira-kira jam 3.50 petang itu. Ketika kejadian, rombongan menteri berkenaan dalam perjalanan pulang dari Johor apabila cuaca dan angin kencang menyebabkan pesawat terbabit tergelincir.

http://www.bharian.com.my/bharian/articles...kopter/Article/
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lucky him.
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lucky him.
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not sure.
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not sure.
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according to my sources is EC from johor company!

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Yes, can't wait for GE result tonite. Why? Bcoz really really waiting for more military asset procurement announcement after new gov is formed.
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since BN is ruling again, them military procurement are good to go(though i really hope they get the 2/3 majority so them izzah and her minions won't bark whenever we try to buy something
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since BN is ruling again, them military procurement are good to go(though i really hope they get the 2/3 majority so them izzah and her minions won't bark whenever we try to buy something
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Ima just glad no cut to 1% budget, gila ape tu?
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bodo nk compare bajet mesia ngan bajet jepun

japan annual "self defence" budget, even though is less than 1 percent, is still like 1000% more than malaysia's entire 5 year plan military budget
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ May 6 2013, 01:41 AM)
bodo nk compare bajet mesia ngan bajet jepun

japan annual "self defence"  budget, even though is less than 1 percent, is still like 1000% more than malaysia's entire 5 year plan military budget
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izzah, Lim kit siang and Lim Guan Eng are still in the house..xdenyer nk beli barang tentera baru tanpa ada bantahan dari puak2 diorg nih...
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since BN is ruling again, them military procurement are good to go(though i really hope they get the 2/3 majority so them izzah and her minions won't bark whenever we try to buy something
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it ensures check and balance.silence will get the sharks hungry



on another topic,bangla senang2 boleh IC,aku nak visa bukan main payah mad.gif
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it ensures check and balance.silence will get the sharks hungry
on another topic,bangla senang2 boleh IC,aku nak visa bukan main payah  mad.gif
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I vote for mr tony so he can cont to tembak his stupid statement on military procurement.
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I vote for mr tony so he can cont to tembak his stupid statement on military procurement.
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aiyo, we need quality rather then nonsense spurring person!
ex admiral ada hahahaha
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aiyo, we need quality rather then nonsense spurring person!
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So, can get Super Hornet or not?

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Increase the budget !!! biggrin.gif
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So, can get Super Hornet or not?

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get najib to set RM30bil for Mindef!! 10bil for each land, air and navy... :3
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not in lumut , perak meh?????
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not sure which is which.
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johor got 1 ex-military too IINM.
not sure which is which.
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MRCA ? dokdo/mistral ? attack heli? huehue
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MRCA ? dokdo/mistral ? attack heli? huehue
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dokdo/mistral unlikely. cheaper LDP is more likely.
attack heli possible if government able to get funding for it.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 6 2013, 03:14 AM)
MRCA yes.
dokdo/mistral unlikely. cheaper LDP is more likely.
attack heli possible if government able to get funding for it.
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urmm.. I'm not siding or anything but urmm..doesn't this count as threatening our national security and sovereignity? asking for US to 'butt in'..thats like asking for gay people to rape us..

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WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO:
Democracy crisis in Malaysia: foreign workers were employed for fraud voting in Malaysian General Election.
Dear all,

We are the concerned citizens of Malaysia, and hereby we are writing you a letter, which we need your attention urgently and international solidarity supports.

The regime of Malaysia's National Coalition Front (Barisan Nasional), had bribed to the official recruitment agency of Bangladesh, to allow a huge number of Bangladeshi workers (estimated about 600,000 people) deported from their homeland to Malaysia for such despicable and non democratic action.

We are hereby requesting ladies and gentlemen to provide solidarity supports and necessary assistances for us, to ensure the election can be conducted in clean and fair manners. For more information and evidence, here is the news link: http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-967755.

Long live democracy.

Regards,

Kuan-Ping Ang and etc

source: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/d...ection/nBqKR7bm
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I cant wait what kind of hardware we gonna get, seeing GE already ended  drool.gif
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India and China withdraw troops from Himalayan face off
By Fayaz Bukhari and Satarupa Bhattacharjya

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SRINAGAR/NEW DELHI, Indian (Reuters) - India and China simultaneously withdrew troops from camps a few meters apart in a Himalayan desert on Sunday, apparently ending a three-week standoff on a freezing plateau where the border is disputed and the Asian giants fought a war 50 years ago.

The two sides stood down after reaching an agreement during a meeting between border commanders, an Indian army official told Reuters, after the tension threatened to overshadow a planned visit by India's foreign minister to Beijing on Thursday.

But it was not immediately clear how far China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) soldiers had withdrawn - Delhi had claimed they were 19 km (12 miles) beyond the point it understands to be the border with China, a vaguely defined de facto line called the Line of Actual Control, which neither side agrees on.

Defence and foreign ministry spokesmen did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

"Our troops have moved one kilometre backwards from the position they were on since April 16," said the officer, from the Indian army's Northern Command, which oversees the disputed region on the fringes of India's Jammu and Kashmir state.

"Chinese troops have also moved away from their position they were holding on since April 15 when they intruded in Indian territory. It is not clear yet how (far) the PLA moved back."

India considered it the worst border incursion for years.
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I cant wait what kind of hardware we gonna get, seeing GE already ended  drool.gif
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I'm thinking of SH+AEW.
we are also going for 8-12units of MPA.
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ May 6 2013, 03:18 AM)
urmm.. I'm not siding or anything but urmm..doesn't this count as threatening our national security and sovereignity? asking for US to 'butt in'..thats like asking for gay people to rape us..
lol wtf at the bolded part. Just wait for the diplomatic cable from wikileak regarding this year GE for some serious answer/view from the US admin. But yeah. terlebih pandai sangat petitioner tu.

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Bawak bertendang bang, hutang Sukhoi Su-30MKM habis tahun depan. Lepas tu baru ada purchase besar.
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aiseh.tahun depan lambat lagi nih.
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ May 6 2013, 03:18 AM)
urmm.. I'm not siding or anything but urmm..doesn't this count as threatening our national security and sovereignity? asking for US to 'butt in'..thats like asking for gay people to rape us..

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WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO:
Democracy crisis in Malaysia: foreign workers were employed for fraud voting in Malaysian General Election.
Dear all,

We are the concerned citizens of Malaysia, and hereby we are writing you a letter, which we need your attention urgently and international solidarity supports.

The regime of Malaysia's National Coalition Front (Barisan Nasional), had bribed to the official recruitment agency of Bangladesh, to allow a huge number of Bangladeshi workers (estimated about 600,000 people) deported from their homeland to Malaysia for such despicable and non democratic action.

We are hereby requesting ladies and gentlemen to provide solidarity supports and necessary assistances for us, to ensure the election can be conducted in clean and fair manners. For more information and evidence, here is the news link: http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-967755.

Long live democracy.

Regards,

Kuan-Ping Ang and etc

source: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/d...ection/nBqKR7bm
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Bawak bertendang bang, hutang Sukhoi Su-30MKM habis tahun depan. Lepas tu baru ada purchase besar.
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setahu saya SU-30MKM memang tak ada hutang. biggrin.gif
pembayaran dibuat secara berperingkat ketika kita order SU-30MKM itu.
pembayaran habis bila kita terima MKM yang terakhir daripada Russia.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 6 2013, 03:19 AM)
I'm thinking of SH+AEW.
we are also going for 8-12units of MPA.
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12 units MPA?? i'll be shitting bricks if that happen..that just too good to be true.. biggrin.gif
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12 units MPA?? i'll be shitting bricks if that happen..that just too good to be true..  biggrin.gif
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ko pegi post benda ni

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I'm thinking of SH+AEW.
we are also going for 8-12units of MPA.
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ May 6 2013, 03:18 AM)
urmm.. I'm not siding or anything but urmm..doesn't this count as threatening our national security and sovereignity? asking for US to 'butt in'..thats like asking for gay people to rape us..

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WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO:
Democracy crisis in Malaysia: foreign workers were employed for fraud voting in Malaysian General Election.
Dear all,

We are the concerned citizens of Malaysia, and hereby we are writing you a letter, which we need your attention urgently and international solidarity supports.

The regime of Malaysia's National Coalition Front (Barisan Nasional), had bribed to the official recruitment agency of Bangladesh, to allow a huge number of Bangladeshi workers (estimated about 600,000 people) deported from their homeland to Malaysia for such despicable and non democratic action.

We are hereby requesting ladies and gentlemen to provide solidarity supports and necessary assistances for us, to ensure the election can be conducted in clean and fair manners. For more information and evidence, here is the news link: http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-967755.

Long live democracy.

Regards,

Kuan-Ping Ang and etc

source: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/d...ection/nBqKR7bm
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China would let it to happen?
They definitely dun wan US enter into their playground.
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MPA with underwing harpoon/nsm ?  drool.gif
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China would let it to happen?
They definitely dun wan US enter into their playground.
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good answer..China and India might wanna say something if US were to butt in..
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setahu saya SU-30MKM memang tak ada hutang. biggrin.gif
pembayaran dibuat secara berperingkat ketika kita order SU-30MKM itu.
pembayaran habis bila kita terima MKM yang terakhir daripada Russia.
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seingat aku ada, 10 year payment, so tahun depan langsai semua hutang
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seingat aku ada, 10 year payment, so tahun depan langsai semua hutang
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tapi bila saya baca budget MAF 2011 memang macam ini.
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ May 6 2013, 03:18 AM)
urmm.. I'm not siding or anything but urmm..doesn't this count as threatening our national security and sovereignity? asking for US to 'butt in'..thats like asking for gay people to rape us..

*******************************************

WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO:
Democracy crisis in Malaysia: foreign workers were employed for fraud voting in Malaysian General Election.
Dear all,

We are the concerned citizens of Malaysia, and hereby we are writing you a letter, which we need your attention urgently and international solidarity supports.

The regime of Malaysia's National Coalition Front (Barisan Nasional), had bribed to the official recruitment agency of Bangladesh, to allow a huge number of Bangladeshi workers (estimated about 600,000 people) deported from their homeland to Malaysia for such despicable and non democratic action.

We are hereby requesting ladies and gentlemen to provide solidarity supports and necessary assistances for us, to ensure the election can be conducted in clean and fair manners. For more information and evidence, here is the news link: http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-967755.

Long live democracy.

Regards,

Kuan-Ping Ang and etc

source: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/d...ection/nBqKR7bm
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QUOTE(keown83 @ May 6 2013, 03:30 AM)
jawapan orang america kepada rakyat malaysia yang "PRIHATIN" sangat tu

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QUOTE(keown83 @ May 6 2013, 03:30 AM)
jawapan orang america kepada rakyat malaysia yang "PRIHATIN" sangat tu

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lol i'm expecting US people to answer like the pic @wanvadder posted just now..that would be more hillarious~ biggrin.gif
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ko pegi post benda ni

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dude..man..haha..i upload your pic there to 9gag..many people starts to upvoted it..while there's another different post by a malaysian too, he ask for US sympathy..and his post got no one likes..hahahaha thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ May 6 2013, 03:34 AM)
lol i'm expecting US people to answer like the pic @wanvadder posted just now..that would be more hillarious~  biggrin.gif
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yep..it can be done actually..someone seems have a good sense of humor

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seriously, im not joking..u can check obama fb

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QUOTE(keown83 @ May 6 2013, 03:45 AM)
yep..it can be done actually..someone seems have a good sense of humor

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seriously, im not joking..u can check obama fb
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thats another post made by someone in 9gag..no one upvotes it..mine tgh hangat..@wanvadder u create the pic ke? i'm borrowing the fame for a while..lol.. brows.gif
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thats another post made by someone in 9gag..no one upvotes it..mine tgh hangat..@wanvadder u create the pic ke? i'm borrowing the fame for a while..lol..  brows.gif
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really..? tell that guy i'm borrowing his masterpiece for a while will u..no royalty money for him though..hehe
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tak cukup dalam obama & whitehouse fb..dalam UN punya fb pun diorg spam

https://www.facebook.com/unitednations

speechless

count down to embarrassment international news coverage regarding this shameful spamming event
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Spectators watch in horror as plane plunges to ground at Spanish air show

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The pilot was reportedly killed Sunday when a vintage plane crashed near Madrid. Warning: Some viewers may find this footage disturbing.

Spectators at a Spanish air show looked on in horror as a historic jet fell from the sky and exploded into a giant fireball on Sunday.

A spokesman for Spain's Defense Ministry said pilot Ladislao Tejedor Romero died of his injuries after being transported to the series burns unit of Getafe hospital. Romero, 35, was an experienced pilot who also served as assistant to Defense Minister Pedro Morenes.

The aircraft crashed into a hangar and exploded in front of nearly 3,000 people gathered at Cuatro Vientos airfield just southwest of Madrid to see vintage aircrafts and aerial acrobatics. One of the spectators caught the crash on film.

Romero was flying a 1950s-era HA-200 Saeta, one of the first jet propelled planes to be manufactured in Spain.
Ministry spokesman Alfredo Florenza said the cause of the crash is unknown.

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HA-200 Saeta

The pilot is believed to be the only fatality, but Europa Press news agency reports many others were taken to the hospital for injuries related to the crash.

A young woman who suffered first and second degree burns was taken to a local hospital, as was a 57-year-old man who suffered an anxiety attack. Another rescue worker suffered from smoke inhalation and received aid at the scene, the new agency reported.
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so who will be the next defense minister ? will zahid retains the current post ?
will hishammudin be chosen again as Home minister ?
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-03/indo...y-power/4666748

Indonesian president vows to outgun Australia

Indonesian president Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono says his country should strive to have a more powerful military than Australia.

About 16,000 Indonesian troops are preparing for joint military exercises in East Java.

Meeting with military commanders, Mr Yudhoyono told them that Indonesia's military should be bigger and more modern than countries like Australia, Singapore and Malaysia.

Indonesia's military boasts 470,000 active troops, while the Australian Defence Force has just over 80,000 full-time personnel and reservists..

It has also embarked on a military upgrade program, building warships and drones, as well buying fighter jets, helicopters and rockets.

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p/s: any indon members can id the missile at the background. terima kaseh
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ May 6 2013, 08:30 AM)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-03/indo...y-power/4666748

Indonesian president vows to outgun Australia

Indonesian president Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono says his country should strive to have a more powerful military than Australia.

About 16,000 Indonesian troops are preparing for joint military exercises in East Java.

Meeting with military commanders, Mr Yudhoyono told them that Indonesia's military should be bigger and more modern than countries like Australia, Singapore and Malaysia.

Indonesia's military boasts 470,000 active troops, while the Australian Defence Force has just over 80,000 full-time personnel and reservists..

It has also embarked on a military upgrade program, building warships and drones, as well buying fighter jets, helicopters and rockets.

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p/s: any indon members can id the missile at the background. terima kaseh
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Although there is a low-profile arms race in south east asia, this is actually like announcing it's on bebeh~
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pemilu sudah mahu dekat. lain negri lain caranya memikat rakyat

di malaysia semua mahukan aman. di indon semua mahukan perang
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ May 6 2013, 08:30 AM)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-03/indo...y-power/4666748

Indonesian president vows to outgun Australia

Indonesian president Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono says his country should strive to have a more powerful military than Australia.

About 16,000 Indonesian troops are preparing for joint military exercises in East Java.

Meeting with military commanders, Mr Yudhoyono told them that Indonesia's military should be bigger and more modern than countries like Australia, Singapore and Malaysia.

Indonesia's military boasts 470,000 active troops, while the Australian Defence Force has just over 80,000 full-time personnel and reservists..

It has also embarked on a military upgrade program, building warships and drones, as well buying fighter jets, helicopters and rockets.

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p/s: any indon members can id the missile at the background. terima kaseh
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p/s: any indon members can id the missile at the background. terima kaseh
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ASTROS.the one in the background looks like a Grad
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ May 6 2013, 03:57 AM)
thats another post made by someone in 9gag..no one upvotes it..mine tgh hangat..@wanvadder u create the pic ke? i'm borrowing the fame for a while..lol..  brows.gif
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plz edit the post.
I prefer we all tune down bits on politics. biggrin.gif
thank you.

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Spectators watch in horror as plane plunges to ground at Spanish air show

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The pilot was reportedly killed Sunday when a vintage plane crashed near Madrid. Warning: Some viewers may find this footage disturbing.

Spectators at a Spanish air show looked on in horror as a historic jet fell from the sky and exploded into a giant fireball on Sunday.

A spokesman for Spain's Defense Ministry said pilot Ladislao Tejedor Romero died of his injuries after being transported to the series burns unit of Getafe hospital. Romero, 35, was an experienced pilot who also served as assistant to Defense Minister Pedro Morenes.

The aircraft crashed into a hangar and exploded in front of nearly 3,000 people gathered at Cuatro Vientos airfield just southwest of Madrid to see vintage aircrafts and aerial acrobatics. One of the spectators caught the crash on film.

Romero was flying a 1950s-era HA-200 Saeta, one of the first jet propelled planes to be manufactured in Spain. 
Ministry spokesman Alfredo Florenza said the cause of the crash is unknown.

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HA-200 Saeta

The pilot is believed to be the only fatality, but Europa Press news agency reports many others were taken to the hospital for injuries related to the crash. 

A young woman who suffered first and second degree burns was taken to a local hospital, as was a 57-year-old man who suffered an anxiety attack. Another rescue worker suffered from smoke inhalation and received aid at the scene, the new agency reported.
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the fireball look really big. is that aircraft bring weapon on board?
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the fireball look really big. is that aircraft bring weapon on board?
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p/s: any indon members can id the missile at the background. terima kaseh
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ May 6 2013, 07:36 AM)
pemilu sudah mahu dekat. lain negri lain caranya memikat rakyat

di malaysia semua mahukan aman. di indon semua mahukan perang
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tak ada sebab indo mahukan perang.. indo relationship with SEA nations and aussie quite good right now, about politics.. i guess our goverment wont use threat from other country as an issue.. our goverment and all parti use corruption as an issue now..

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Quantity has it own quality.. i think the most important think is semangat juang, moral and mentaly.. hi tech tools just for support..
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setahu saya SU-30MKM memang tak ada hutang. biggrin.gif
pembayaran dibuat secara berperingkat ketika kita order SU-30MKM itu.
pembayaran habis bila kita terima MKM yang terakhir daripada Russia.
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not money but Palm oil trade!
10 years!
the Mig palm ouil trade is 20 years!
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ May 6 2013, 11:01 AM)
not money but Palm oil trade!
10 years!
the Mig palm ouil trade is 20 years!
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not all entirely palm oil trade.
tak silap saya about USD300mil value of palm oil.
yang lain semua bayar ngan cash.
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not all entirely palm oil trade.
tak silap saya about USD300mil value of palm oil.
yang lain semua bayar ngan cash.
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not all, but the palm oil supply contract is delivered in 10 years time line!
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not all, but the palm oil supply contract is delivered in 10 years time line!
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cash memang dah awal-awal bayar penuh.
cuma tinggal palm oil barter trade.

patutnya sime darby or felda sponsor sikit. laugh.gif
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cash memang dah awal-awal bayar penuh.
cuma tinggal palm oil barter trade.

patutnya sime darby or felda sponsor sikit. laugh.gif
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ini mmg amik dari kilang felda sama sime darby nih

yep cash dah bayar habis!
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so who will be the next defense minister ? will zahid retains the current post ?
will hishammudin be chosen again as Home minister ?
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zahid can continue be the defense minister..while Hishammudin, i don't know..i prefer he switched with muhyiddin though..muhyiddin as home minister..hishammudin can get his old education minister job back..
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zahid can continue be the defense minister..while Hishammudin, i don't know..i prefer he switched with muhyiddin though..muhyiddin as home minister..hishammudin can get his old education minister job back..
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oh noo..hishamuddin must not be put in education ministry again..too much flip-flop & ridiculous decision in his era before..dont jeopardize our youngster's future

he should be put into a more 'relaxing' ministry..menteri kebudayaan perhaps?

btw i fully support if zahid hamidi helm the defence ministry once again thumbup.gif

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uncle zahid hamidi for defense ministry.
but hisapmudin plz dun go back as KDN
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QUOTE(keown83 @ May 6 2013, 03:00 PM)
oh noo..hishamuddin must not be put in education ministry again..too much flip-flop & ridiculous decision in his era before..dont jeopardize our youngster's future

he should be put into a more 'relaxing' ministry..menteri kebudayaan perhaps?

btw i fully support if zahid hamidi helm the defence ministry once again  thumbup.gif
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spice things up a bit..let a PR be the home minister..after all, they are the one who always accused lots of stuff about the home ministry..lets see if they can do better.. icon_idea.gif
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1 single dig,despite with his highspeed F88 rifle and his top-of-the-line plate carrier, won't win against 1000+ bamboo-armed indon mobs screaming "durka durka"
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indon is like dothraki, cannot cross the ocean.
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indon is like dothraki, cannot cross the ocean.
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the way i see it, indon got no issue crossing the ocean they got a lot Makassar-class LPD

and their navy are well armed as well, from what i understand they got at least 6 sigma class frigate about to add 3 nakhoda class frigate maybe this year. They have about 10 frigate in total
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the way i see it, indon got no issue crossing the ocean they got a lot Makassar-class LPD

and their navy are well armed as well, from what i understand they got at least 6 sigma class frigate about to add 3 nakhoda class frigate maybe this year. They have about 10 frigate in total
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there's something called... the royal australian air force?
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TNI Joint Military Exercise 2013 - Amphibious Landing.

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TNI Joint Military Exercise 2013 - Amphibious Landing.

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what is the function of Marines actually? looks the same as what army does..army can borrow transportation from navy to assault beaches..
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what is the function of Marines actually? looks the same as what army does..army can borrow transportation from navy to assault beaches..
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amphibious assault. some country is under navy, some country put them under separate branch.
most of time used as expeditionary/rapid-deployment force.

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uncle zahid hamidi for defense ministry.
but hisapmudin plz dun go back as KDN
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it is hard to admit but pak lah used to be a fine internal minister.
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he is so so only.
mayb give khairy that position. hmm.gif
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he is so so only.
mayb give khairy that position. hmm.gif
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on top of my mind. tan sri rahim noor as senator or musa hassan as senator. better to have ex-igp in kdn.
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indon also got ASTROSS? dang i'm slow
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there's something called... the royal australian air force?
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what is the function of Marines actually? looks the same as what army does..army can borrow transportation from navy to assault beaches..
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rapid deployment force
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crossing the ocean is one thing,TNI doesn't have the means to sustain an expeditionary force.plus they would get owned by the RAAF and RAN before they even reach Australia

rapid deployment force
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btw, 'Combat Countdown' in Discovery Channel listed PT-91Twardy as no. 7 in the top 10 best military assets.."combining the best of Western and Russian tech into one compact tank..", they say..
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a show that ranks military vehicles or units into a top 10 anything is retarded and gay

anyone who watches it is therefore homo by proxy
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a show that ranks military vehicles or units into a top 10 anything is retarded and gay
anyone who watches it is therefore homo by proxy
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laugh.gif ini, ini hahahaha~
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a show that ranks military vehicles or units into a top 10 anything is retarded and gay

anyone who watches it is therefore homo by proxy
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Especially when the producers are Americans, since we know the result.
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hey2..i watched it just to see what's new weapon the world have create..the ranking is bullshit..
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hey2..i watched it just to see what's new weapon the world have create..the ranking is bullshit..
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too late to defend yourself fag

btw,what was numbah one?T-34?
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too late to defend yourself fag

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Well, since it is an american program so i guess it would be the abrams or the merkava
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S. Korea to deploy K-11 assault rifles in June
By Kim Eun-jung | 11 April 2013 Thursday | 11:39 KST

SEOUL, April 11 (Yonhap) -- South Korea will issue K-11 assault rifles to frontline troops in June after fixing defects that had caused the rifle to explode in a previous test, military officials said Thursday.

The dual-barrel, air-burst weapons, which were jointly developed by S&T Daewoo and the Agency for Defense Development, were first distributed to South Korean troops in May 2010. But the defense ministry halted their use due to high defection rates.

After the rifle exploded in a field test in October 2011, the Defense Acquisition and Procurement Agency (DAPA) formed a task force team to modify designs of the hybrid assault rifles and improve the shooting control system.

"We conducted additional testing and fixed defections of the K-11," a DAPA official said. "We will provide 2,500 rifles to frontline Army troops and special forces."

The Korean-made hybrid rifles use 5.56 mm rounds and can also fire a 20 mm air-burst projectile to attack targets hidden behind buildings or walls.

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btw, 'Combat Countdown' in Discovery Channel listed PT-91Twardy as no. 7 in the top 10 best military assets.."combining the best of Western and Russian tech into one compact tank..", they say..
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top 10 tanks? didn't see pt-91?
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top 10 tanks? didn't see pt-91?
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mehh..the show ridiculous anyway...when i say top 10 military assets, they literally combine air, land, and sea assets into the top 10..ridiculous to combine land, sea and air assets into a same list as they have different roles and needs..
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mehh..the show ridiculous anyway...when i say top 10 military assets, they literally combine air, land, and sea assets into the top 10..ridiculous to combine land, sea and air assets into a same list as they have different roles and needs..
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mohon link
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its a tv show in Astro 551..no link..try search google or utube..
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Updated : 2013-05-06 20:18

The Defense Ministry has virtually rejected the Navy’s request to consider introducing the Standard Missile-3 mid-course interceptors, multiple sources privy to the issue told The Korea Herald on Monday.

The Navy unofficially requested recently that the ministry weigh the option of purchasing the missiles to enhance the strategic value of its Aegis-equipped destroyers and better handle North Korea’s escalating missile threats.

The ministry has made no response in an apparent rejection of the request, sources said.

The Navy currently runs three Aegis destroyers but with no missile interceptors. Critics have deridingly likened the top-of-the-line vessel to a gun with no bullets. The per-unit price of the vessel is around 1.1 trillion won ($1 billion).

For the Seoul government, introducing such a high-profile interception system is a sensitive issue as it could be seen as joining the U.S.-led ballistic missile defense program that could target China and Russia.

Seoul has made it clear that it is seeking to develop a “low-tier” missile shield system specifically designed for Korean terrain features and security conditions, which is different from the U.S. global multi-layered defense program.

As the backbone of the U.S. naval interception program, the SM-3 is designed to defend against missile attacks at altitudes of around 150 km in the “mid-course” phase. If the SM-3 interception fails, the Patriot Advanced Capability-3 of the U.S. military is activated to intercept incoming missiles at altitudes of around15 km in the “terminal” phase.

Critics said the SM-3 missile system, which costs around 15 billion won apiece, was not suited to defend against short-range North Korean missiles as it is for intercepting mid-range ballistic missiles.

But proponents said the SM-3 could enhance the country’s overall deterrence capabilities as the North could fire mid-range missiles as well to attack South Korea by adjusting the amount of fuel and direction.

“Seoul has been focusing on bolstering the low-tier missile defense, believing the North would fire only short-range missiles on the South. In that case, the North could fire longer-range missiles and adjust them for South Korean targets during wartime,” said a security expert, declining to be named.

“With the SM-3, the South can limit the North’s strategic missile options that could damage South Korean territory.”

As Pyongyang has recently ratcheted up missile and nuclear threats, Seoul has been striving to bolster its missile defense efforts.

For low-tier missile defense, the South Korean military currently has 48 PAC-2 missiles, which it has deployed since 2009. It is now seeking to introduce the more advanced PAC-3 system.

The PAC-2 missiles with fragmentation-type warheads are less lethal than the PAC-3 with warheads employing “hit-to-kill” technology.

Seoul has also sought to accelerate the development of the “Kill Chain,” a preemptive strike system, and deploying strategic ballistic missiles, which can cover the whole of the communist state.

Despite such efforts, skeptics said Seoul’s missile defense strategy faced many operational challenges including the North’s operation of mobile launchers that would make it difficult to track the origin of missile attacks.

The North reportedly has up to 40 mobile launchers that can carry Scud missiles with ranges of between 300 and 1,000 km, up to 40 launchers for Rodong missiles with a range of 1,300 km, and 14 launchers for Musudan missiles with ranges of between 3,000 km and 4,000 km.

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Australian MRH90 finally approved for service
By Ian Kemp | 7 May 2013 Tuesday | 12:40

Australia’s new NH Industries MRH90 multirole helicopter (MRH) has received its official type certification and service release from the Australian Defence Force’s Airworthiness Authority, the Chief of Air Force, almost three years later than planned when the project was launched.

Since 28 November 2011 the AIR 9000 MRH acquisition has been managed by the Department of Defence as a ‘Project of Concern’ as the initial aircraft delivered did not meet all of the contractual requirements resulting in a remediation programme and significant delays. Of the 46 MRH90s ordered in 2005 and 2006 19 helicopters have now been accepted for service and four early production aircraft are being retrofitted with software and hardware upgrades to bring them up to the full standard required by the contract. Another five MRH90s are scheduled to be completed in 2013 and the last aircraft in 2014.

Six helicopters will be operated by the Royal Australian Navy in the maritime support helicopter role and the bulk by the Australian Army replacing its S-70 Black Hawks in the airmobile and special operations roles. Having achieve service release MRH90s from the Australian Army’s 5 Aviation Regiment are scheduled to participate in 3 Brigade’s Combined Arms Training Activity and Exercise Talisman Sabre later this year.

Navy MRH90s are expected to achieve initial operational capability in June, 37 months later than originally planned, while the army, which originally expected to reach this milestone in April 2011, will not do so until 2014.

The MRH90 fleet has flown more than 4,000 hours including 60 hours last year with a helicopter embarked on HMAS Tobruk conducting passenger transfers, live hoisting, maritime search, and aeromedical evacuation. Shipboard test and evaluation work has continued this year with an aircraft embarked on HMAS Choules.
This year the ADF will also conduct test and evaluation of door gunnery, electronic warfare countermeasures, and troop insertions and extractions.

A CAE Australia MRH90 simulator at the Army Aviation Training Centre in Oakey, Queensland was recently awarded level D accreditation, the highest available. Lt Col James Allen, MRH Project Manager, told the in house Army newspaper that European NH90 operators ‘haven’t put in place the level of simulator capability that we have’ and added that ‘New Zealand has also expressed interest in coming across and making use of our simulator’.

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Navy Sec. Mabus: LCS Freedom Ready To Keep Peace In The Pacific

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CAPITOL HILL: Navy Secretary Ray Mabus talked up the controversial Littoral Combat Ship days before departing for Asia to visit the first LCS, USS Freedom, which recently arrived in Singapore (sporting a sniffy camo paint job). Freedom has been bedeviled by cost overruns, delays, and manufacturing defects, with a new problem, seawater contamination in lubricant fluid, arising on its trans-Pacific trip. But the bigger picture Mabus said, is how this new class of small and nimble ship will cooperate with foreign partners to keep the peace in the volatile South China Sea and the strategic Strait of Malacca.

“Freedom is the first of its class, and it was built as an experimental ship, and every first of the class has some issues,” Mabus said of the seawater contamination, speaking to reporters after a Friday speech on energy security hosted by the Truman National Security Project. “One of the reasons we sent Freedom forward on deployment was to see what those issues were.”

After the agonies over Freedom and, to a lesser extent, its very dissimilar sister ship, USS Independence, Navy largely rebooted the program. Costs are coming down, the first ships’ defects are being remedied in follow-on vessels, and Mabus recently boasted that the Littoral Combat Ship is “one of our best programs” — although the jury is still out on LCS’s ability to survive in all-out combat.

“We’re going to deploy — forward deploy — four of these ships by 2016 to Singapore,” Mabus said confidently. Operating out of a foreign port this way, close to the operations zone, cuts out the long sea journey from North America and lets one ship do the patrol work of four US-based ones. (The Navy’s also moving four of its Aegis destroyers to Rota, Spain to better protect Europe against Iranian missiles). The Navy will even keep Freedom in Singapore after the current crew’s tour of duty is done, flying them home and flying in a complete replacement crew.

Mabus himself is flying out to Singapore Tuesday. (“The CNO [Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Jonathan Greenert] is following me by about a week,” the Secretary said). “The purpose of my trip is, No. 1, to welcome Freedom but, No. 2, is to talk about how we’re going to be using these ships with our partners.”

Economically prosperous, ethnically 75 percent Chinese, and not particularly democratic, Singapore occupies a strategic location along one of the world’s busiest corridors for seaborne trade. Politically, the city-state has long walked a delicate line between the US and China, and even now it is hosting US warships for months at a time and, eventually, in regular rotation, it emphasizes the US presence is a “deployment,” not a “base.”

Whatever it’s called, from Singapore’s harbor, the Littoral Combat Ships can head west towards the Strait of Malacca, through which forty percent of the world’s oil passes en route to East Asia. Or the LCSs can turn east into the South China Sea, whose barren islets and prospective riches of natural gas are bitterly disputed between China, the Philippines, and Vietnam. Singapore is one of the few countries in the region to keep almost entirely out of the territorial quarrels, another strategic advantage as a US partner.

“Over the decades, the American Navy and the American presence there has been one of the great stabilizing influences” in the Western Pacific, Mabus said. “We don’t take sides in territorial or other sorts of disputes,” he emphasized, repeating the administration’s deep reluctance to be drawn into what is a highly emotional conflict for the increasingly assertive Chinese. “But what we do offer is presence,” he said. “What we do offer is the notion that the seas should be open and free for all.” (Mabus even put in a plug for the controversial Law of the Sea treaty, which the administration has largely given up on getting ratified).

In this region, and in context of the administration’s January 2012 defense strategic guidance, “what the LCS can do [is] to build partnership capacity,” Mabus said, “operating with the Singaporean Navy but also the navies of the region, to become more interoperable, to understand each other, to have experience in exercises and in operations which will be invaluable not only to us but to the countries in the region.”

Littoral Combat Ships are significantly smaller, less well-armed, and less resistant to battle damage than the Navy’s workhorse DDG-51 Arleigh Burke destroyers. But precisely for that reason, they’re less intimidating to partners whose navies often resemble the US Coast Guard more than the US Navy’s ocean-going battle fleet. The ship also has a significantly shallower draft than full-size warships, giving it better access to coastal waters like those of the congested Strait of Malacca. And if LCS were to show up in one of China’s mid-sea standoffs, it will still loom large compared to the lightly armed or entirely unarmed civilian maritime patrol vessels the Chinese usually (thought not always) dispatch instead of more escalatory warships.

Stability in the South China Sea is essential because, with all the turmoil in the Middle East, the last thing the planet needs is a crisis at the Pacific end of the great Gulf-to-Asia oil trade that drives half of the world’s economy. “Even in peacetime,” Mabus said in his formal remarks, a threat from an “unstable regime” (i.e. Iran) can send oil prices spiking.

“I use the term unstable regime because my public affairs officer, [Captain] Pamela Kunze, told me I had to quit using the word ‘yahoo,’” Mabus let slip, pointing out Capt. Kunze in the front row, and then went on, “the threat of some yahoo” — he had to pause a moment to let the laughter die down — “may drive prices up.”

Mabus may not have been particularly diplomatic, but the servicemen and women about the Singapore-stationed warships will need to be. Said the Secretary, “they have to be great warriors — but they also have to be great diplomats.”


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Pentagon Lifts Veil on 7 New Obscure Chinese Weapons


wo new models of stealthy jet fighter. A new(ish) aircraft carrier. Separate ballistic missiles for targeting orbital satellites and ships at sea. A host of cyberespionage tools. Everybody's already heard about China's main new weapon systems, developed and deployed in alternating fits of secrecy and pageantry over the past decade of the Middle Kingdom's explosive economic and military growth.

But what about China's other high-tech war gear -- those air, sea, space and ground systems that round out Beijing's fast-modernizing armed forces and underpin the ruling Chinese Communist Party's expanding ability to influence, or even bully, its Asian neighbors? The latest installment (.pdf) of the Pentagon's annual report on Chinese military developments, released today, highlights some of these lesser-known but still potentially world-changing weapons.

You can download the ANNUAL REPORT TO CONGRESS : Military and Security Developments Involving the People’s Republic of China 2013
here: http://www.defense.gov/pubs/2013_China_Report_FINAL.pdf
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The 9K111 Fagot (Russian: 9K111 «Фагот»; English meaning of the word: "bassoon") is a SACLOS wire-guided anti-tank missile system of the Soviet Union. "9M111" is the GRAU designation of the missile. Its NATO reporting name is AT-4 Spigot.
(The bassoon is a woodwind musical instrument )

The missile is stored and carried in a container/launch tube. It is fired from the 9P135 launcher post - a simple tripod. A 9S451 guidance box is fitted to the tripod - with the missile sitting just above. The 9Sh119 sight is fitted to the left side (from the gunners POV). The complete launcher system weighs 22.5 kg. The gunner lays prone while firing. The system can engage moving targets, provided that they are travelling at less than 60 km/h. The launcher post can traverse through 360 degrees horizontally, and +/- 20 degrees in elevation. The sight has a magnification of 10x and a 5 degree field of view. Up to 3 missiles a minute can be fired from a launcher post.

The system uses a gas generator to push the missile out of the launch tube - the gas also exits from the rear of the launch tube in a similar manner to a recoilless rifle. The missile leaves the launch tube at 80 m/s. It is quickly accelerated to 186 m/s by its solid fuel motor. This initial high speed reduces the deadzone of the missile, since it can be launched directly at the target, rather than in an upward arc.

The launcher tracks the position of an incandescent infrared bulb on the back of the missile relative to the target - and transmits appropriate commands to the missile via a thin wire that trails behind the missile. The SACLOS guidance system has many benefits over MCLOS, with the accuracy of the system stated as 90% in some sources, though its performance is probably comparable to the TOW or the later SACLOS versions of the 9K11 Malyutka.

SACLOS (Semi-automatic command to line of sight) is a method of missile guidance. In SACLOS, the operator has to continually point a sighting device at the target while the missile is in flight. Electronics in the sighting device and/or the missile then guide it to the target.

SACLOS devices commonly work using one of two methods: either wire and radio-guided, or beam-riding.

Weight: 11.5 kg (25 lb)
Length: 1,030 mm (3 ft 5 in)
Barrel length: 875 mm (2 ft 10 in) without gas generator
Diameter 120 mm (4.7 in)
Muzzle velocity: 80 m/s (180 mph; 290 km/h) at launch
186 m/s (420 mph; 670 km/h) in flight
Effective range: 70–2,500 m (230–8,200 ft)
Guidance system: SACLOS
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The Indian Dessault Deal: Defence Minister said Impossible to Set Time Frame for MMRCA Deal

(Source: Express News Service; published May 7, 2013)



NEW DELHI --- Union Defence Minister A K Antony on Monday said it was not possible to set a time frame for signing the much-awaited deal for the Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) with French company Dassault Aviation.

The contract, said to be worth nearly Rs 1 lakh crore, is still at the negotiation stage, a year-and-a-half after the French firm emerged as the lowest bidder in the tender which was floated in August 2007.

“Given the complexity of the proposal, no definite time frame can be fixed at this stage (for signing the deal),” Antony said in a written reply in Parliament.

“The proposal for procurement of the 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft is currently at the stage of commercial discussions with the L1 vendor, Dassault Aviation and hence the terms and conditions for purchase including the delivery schedule are yet to be finalised,” he said.

However, the Defence Minister pointed out that the Request for Proposal–defence parlance for a commercial tender – stipulated that the delivery of the 18 flyaway aircraft should take place between the third and fourth years after the signing of the contract. The manufacturing of the remaining 108 fighters under licence from Dassault will take place here from the 4th to the 11th year after the signing of the contract.

Dassault has offered its Rafale combat planes to India under the Request for Proposal and it had beaten the European consortium EADS Cassidian, which had offered its Eurofighter Typhoon plane, in the last stage of the tendering process in January 2012. The two firms had been down-selected by the Indian Air Force after intense flight and weapons trials in which the US aircraft – Lockheed Martin’s F-16 and Boeing’s F/A-18 – Russian United Aircraft Corporation’s MiG-35 and Swedish Saab’s Gripen were eliminated from the competition in April 2011.

Meanwhile, the Army is planning to procure 100 self-propelled artillery howitzers and three Indian vendors, including two private companies, have been selected for trial of their equipment, A K Antony told the Lok Sabha on Monday.

In a written reply to the lower house of Parliament, the Defence Ministry also said the recent amendment to Defence Procurement Procedure-2011 aims at giving higher preference to indigenous capacity in the defence sector.
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Russian Fifth-Generation Jet Tests May Start in July - Air Force
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AKHTUBINSK (Astrakhan Region, south Russia), May 7 (RIA Novosti) - Tests of Russia’s fifth-generation T-50 fighter jets in the Chkalov state flight test center in Akhtubinsk, Astrakhan Region in south Russia may start in July, Air Force Commander Lt. Gen. Viktor Bondarev said.

“In two months,” he said Monday when asked when the center would start tests of such jets, adding that the first serial fifth-generation jet may be manufactured in 2014-2015.

United Aircraft Corporation President Mikhail Pogosyan said in April Russia will start state flight tests of the T-50 in 2014.

The fighter jets will enter service with the country’s armed forces in 2016, and not 2015 as was previously announced, President Vladimir Putin said at a live Q&A session with the Russian public in April.

The Defense Ministry had earlier said the jet would be ready in 2015.

The T-50, also known as PAK-FA (future tactical fighter aircraft), first flew in January 2010 and was presented to the public at the Moscow Air Show in 2011.

The T-50, which will be the core of Russia's future fighter fleet, is a fifth-generation multirole fighter aircraft featuring elements of stealth technology, super-maneuverability, super-cruise capability (supersonic flight without use of afterburner), and an advanced avionics suite including an X-band active phased-array radar.

Bondarev also said some 60-70 military airfields will be built or reconstructed for Russia’s Air Force by 2020.


Source: RIA Novosti


NOTE: PAK FA stands for Perspektivny Aviatsionny Kompleks Frontovoy Aviatsii, literally "Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation"




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US-based Remington wins bid to supply 50,000 M4 rifles for AFP (Armed Forces of the Philippines), company rep says


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The Bids and Awards Committee (BAC) of the Department of National Defense (DND) has declared the United States-based Remington company the winning bidder to supply 50,629 pieces of M4 rifles, according to the Philippine representative of the company. The bid was for little less than P2-billion.

"Remington was declared the winning single calculated bid on the AFP requirement for 50,629 pieces M4 cal 5.56mm assault rifles," Neri Dionisio, head of the P.B. Dionisio & Co., Inc., said. Dionisio is the official local representative of Remington.

In a follow-up phone interview, Dionisio said the bidding was conducted on Tuesday at the DND. Apart from Remington, it was participated in by Colt Defense, Sig Sauer and Manroy, he added.

"Remington submitted a total bid price of P1,944,261,591.66, saving government coffers P1,245,365,408.34, (based on) the total authorized budget of contract of P3,189,627,000." This would place the price for each rifle at around P38,400, or around $960.

Even as Dionisio announced Remington's winning bid, however, a source from the DND-BAC said they expected at least one of the losing bidders, particularly Colt, to file a motion for reconsideration.

"We've been expecting that, but we're confident the DND-BAC is certain they got the right bidder. With or without the contest of Colt we will be filing our request for a post-qualification bid on Friday," Dionisio said.

The post-qualification process will revalidate the documents for bidding. After this, the DND-BAC moves to the conduct of a pre-delivery inspection of the items from the winning bidder.

"A group from DND, most probably the Technical Group (TWG), will be going to the factory in the US to inspect the firearms. If there is no problem then the DND-BAC will finally award the contract to Remington," Dionisio said.


Source: InterAksyon
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May 7, 2013: Guatemala is buying six Brazilian A-29 Super Tucano aircraft for their air force. The Super Tucano is a single engine turbo-prop trainer/attack aircraft that is used by over a dozen nations. This aircraft carries two internal 12.7mm (.50 caliber) machine-guns and can carry up to 1.5 tons of bombs and rockets. It can stay in the air for 6.5 hours at a time. It is rugged, easy to maintain, and cheap. You pay $15-20 million for each Super Tucano, depending on how much training, spare parts and support equipment you get with them.

This aircraft can be equipped to carry over a half dozen of the 250 pound GPS smart bombs (or half a dozen dumb 500 pound bombs), giving it considerable potential firepower if rigged to handle smart bombs. The Super Tucano comes equipped with a GPS guidance system. Max altitude is 11,300 meters (35,000 feet) and cruising speed is 400 kilometers an hour. Naturally, this aircraft can move in lower and slower than any jet can. The Super Tucano is also equipped with armor for the pilot, a pressurized cockpit, and an ejection seat. Not bad for an aircraft with a max takeoff weight of 5.4 tons.

The Super Tucano can double as trainers. It's easier to train pilots to use the Super Tucano, cheaper to buy them, and much cheaper to operate them. It costs less than a tenth as much per flying hour to operate a Super Tucano compared to a F-16.

Guatemala is the sixth South Latin American customer for the Super Tucano joining Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Dominican Republic, and Ecuador. Twelve countries (including Afghanistan, Angola, Burkina Fasso, Indonesia, Mauritius and Senegal) have bought Super Tucano, which has become the world’s leading counter-insurgency aircraft. Guatemala will use it to help control the growing problem with drug smugglers moving cocaine to North America.

These "trainer/light attack aircraft" can also operate from crude airports, or even a stretch of highway. Aircraft like this can carry systems to defeat portable surface to air missiles. They can carry smart bombs as well.


Source: StrategyPage
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Indonesian UAV squadron to be stationed at the air base Supadio, West Kalimantan

The following are excerpts translated from Bahasa Indonesia as reported in Greater Jakarta sourced at http://jakartagreater.com/2013/05/melirik-...-ii-atau-heron/

Indonesian Navy has declared that their armaments would be strengthened by the UAV squadron stationed at the air base Supadio, West Kalimantan. This UAV will control the border with Malaysia in Kalimantan, Indonesia to the Natuna Sea and will come at the end of 2013 or early 2014.

Airfield Supadio Colonel Pnb Ir Novyan Samyoga , Pontianak, West Kalimantan, Thursday (17/01/2013):

"In the near future we will be able to help force a squadron of unmanned aircraft. We hope this 2013 is coming and ready to operatae ".

"The aircraft will operate with estimated capacity of about 400 km on the sea border. Currently we are still awaiting the arrival of the UAV. Everything is based on orders of the Minister of Defense, "said a former aide to Vice President in 2009.

The plane could not be captured military radar. Including existing radar for flight at the airport Supadio can not trace or track the UAV.

Furthermore, the ability of the Air Force UAV was later explained as follows:

Colonel (GNI) Kustono, Danlanud Supadio : ( equator-news.com 13-Jan-2012 ): "Unmanned aircraft at Air Base Supadio will be directed to strengthen monitoring capabilities, including border areas in West Kalimantan. It will even be operated for supervision on the island of Borneo, "he said, saying that the aircraft can also be armed and equipped with detection equipment for night and daytime conditions .





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Report: Germany clears tank sales to Indonesia

The news magazine Spiegel reports that the German government has approved the sale of 164 tanks to Indonesia. The country joins Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates on a contentious new export list.

Spiegel reported on its online portal on Wednesday that the German military manufacturer Rheinmetall had received government approval to sell 164 tanks to Indonesia. The deal comprises 104 Leopard 2 tanks, 50 of the older Marder 1A2 infantry fighting vehicles, four tanks specialized for mountain terrain, three mobile bridge-layers and three armored earth-movers, called "pioneer tanks" in Germany. The price is not known.

Indonesia had officially requested the deal during Angela Merkel's visit in the summer of 2012, with Reuters previously reporting that it was likely to be approved.

German military exports must be cleared by a special security council made up of Merkel and most top government ministers, including the defense, foreign, finance and development ministers.

Indonesia had also sought to procure Leopard tanks, considered among the most modern on the market, from the Netherlands, but the deal was stopped in the country's parliament. Indonesia's questionable human rights record helped explain the Dutch decision.

The opposition Green and Left parties had voiced concerns that the weapons might be used against ethnic minorities in the country. Spiegel obtained its information from a Green party parliamentarian, Katja Keul, who had requested the information from Merkel's cabinet.

The US has recently announced plans to export military equipment to the Asian country, a part of heavy investment since 2010 in modernizing its military.

Contentious customers

Indonesia is number 100 on Transparency International's corruption index and sits in 139th place on Reporters Without Borders' Press Freedom Index. The country resumed capital punishment in March this year after four years without the death penalty.

Germany has approved a number of similar deals in recent months, with Spiegel consistently reporting on the issue. One December issue of the weekly magazine featured a doctored image of Merkel in a military uniform with the cover headline "German weapons for the world." Saudi Arabia and Qatar are the two most notable examples for armored vehicle exports in recent months, with the United Arab Emirates a comparatively recent trading partner for automatic weapons and ammunition.

This February, the Süddeutsche Zeitung newspaper reported that German arms exports just to the Gulf region more than doubled in 2012 compared to the previous year, rising from a total of 570 million euros ($746 million) to 1.42 billion euros.

Traditionally, Germany's weapons export policies have been comparatively cautious, especially for land-based equipment. Hans-Dieter Genscher, foreign minister for almost two decades, once famously said that "whatever floats is ok, whatever rolls is not," referring to the difficulty of using naval weaponry to suppress internal conflicts compared to tanks and other land-based military equipment.

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Indonesian Navy (TNI AL) opens new base prepared for submarines


Indonesian Navy (TNI AL) chief of staff Adm. Marsetio opened on Friday the Palu Naval Base in Palu, Central Sulawesi, as part of an effort to secure Indonesian waters, especially in the eastern part of the country.

The naval base is located on a 13-hectare plot in Palu’s Watusampu subdistrict, Ulujadi district, of which only 2.8 hectares have been built on.

The building, which faces Palu Bay, has been built over the past two years and cost around Rp 7 billion (US$717,000).

“The naval base location is ideal and strategic, and there is no such dock in Indonesia like the one in Palu,” Marsetio told the media after the opening ceremony.

He said the naval base was precisely located in Palu Bay and at an ideal depth. It is the third-deepest sea in the world.

It will also serve as the Navy’s submarine base, where three submarines purchased from South Korea, will be stationed. “The KRI Cakra 401 and KRI Nanggala 402 submarines have often docked here, as the sea is very deep and suitable for submarines,” said Marsetio.

Palu Bay was picked as one of TNI AL’s submarine bases because the bay is quite strategic in Indonesia. It is 10 kilometers wide and its coastline stretches for 68 kilometers while its depth reaches 400 meters. Natural protection against extreme ocean currents is also considered to be adequate and advantageous for a submarine base.

“At such a depth, large vessels, such as aircraft carriers from the United States could easily navigate through the bay,” said Marsetio.

The Palu Naval Base will in the future not only serve as a forward base, but a main naval base. Therefore, the navy will equip it with various facilities given the base’s close proximity with the Malaysian border.

“The Ambalat waters remains vulnerable, so the submarine base in Palu is most strategic to secure the region,” he added.

Meanwhile, Central Sulawesi Governor Longki Djanggola said that based on documents belonging to the Palu city administration, in terms of defense strategy, Palu Bay is centrally situated between the Indonesian border in the north and the Java Sea in the south, so submarines stationed there could cover the region effectively.

The area is also part of the second Sea Lane of Communications (ALKI) II, where large merchant ships could traverse under the UNCLOS international maritime law.

“Malaysia, the Philippines, Japan and China, which are very strategic for Indonesia from the geopolitical and geoeconomic aspects, are located north of the ALKI II. So, Palu Bay is very suitable as TNI AL’s submarine base,” said Longki.

Indonesia’s current submarines, the U-206 type KRI Cakra and KRI Nanggala, were made by German shipyard Howaldtswerke in Kiel, Germany, and were commissioned in 1981.

The three U-209 type submarines, worth some $1.07 billion, will be delivered in 2015 and 2016. Two of the submarines will be build at Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering (DSME) facilities in Busan, South Korea. The third would be completed at the state-owned shipyard PT PAL Indonesia facilities in Surabaya, East Java.

Initial reports said the submarines would weigh 1,400 tons and be 61.3 meters long. Each submarine will carry up to 40 crew members and have eight weapons tubes for torpedoes and other weapons.


Source : The Jakarta Post

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Palu is located at a tectonic plate boundary and had experienced 14 earthquakes in the past year. The latest in the area was a 5.3 magnitude offshore on April 30, 2013.

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Current Capability:
The Indonesian navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI–AL), operates two Type 209/1300 submarines acquired from Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft (HDW, Germany). The TNI-AL is organized into the Eastern fleet (based in Surabaya), and the Western fleet (based in Jakarta). According to IISS Military Balance, future reorganization could involve the establishment of headquarters at Surabaya, and three commands at Riau (West), Papua (East), and Makassar (Central).

The two Type 209/1300-class submarines (known as Cakra-class in Indonesia), entered into service with the TNI-AL in 1981. Cakra 401 was laid in November 1977 and commissioned in March 1981, and Nanggala 402 was laid in July 1978 and commissioned in July 1981. These boats underwent major refits on different occasions, initially by HDW and later through South Korea's Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (DSME). These refits resulted in modernization of propulsions systems, detection and navigation systems, and new fire control and combat systems.
Source: Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI)


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KRI (Kapal Perang Republik Indonesia) Cakra 401

The deterrence role of submarines was also noted by First Admiral Iskandar Sitompul in the context of the "Malaysia factor." The Admiral said that Indonesia "must possess submarines with greater deterrent effect. If they [Malaysians] know we have that, they will be scared."
Citation: Rizal Sukma, "Indonesia's Security Outlook, Defence Policy and Regional Cooperation," in Asia Pacific Countries' Security Outlook and Its Implications for the Defense Sector, The National Institute for Defense Studies (Japan), NIDS Joint Research Series No. 5, 2010, www.nids.go.jp.
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power projection....mcm nak perang dingin je
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Wow Indonesia really investing.... Malaysia still not increasing military budget
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Wow Indonesia really investing.... Malaysia still not increasing military budget
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Back in 1962....Indonesia was against the formation of Malaysia...so Sukarno declared konfrantasi...one of the thing in their mind was Sarawak and Sabah...the British wants to keep Sarawak out of Indonesia after Sukarno decided that the North of Borneo was properly part of Indonesia...there was a lot of action in Sarawak....but not all out offensive...President Sukarno declared that he was going to "crush Malaysia" (Ganyang Malaysia)....that is why even now you still can hear these words from some of them (e.g. refer to the last para in my posting)....however we should let all this thing pass.....no use to hang on to the past...we should be looking to the future and focus on nation building.

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I believe that was the Australian newspaper wanting to juice up the issue...but still why a demonstration of invasion capability...in the face of peaceful neighbours...when they have a lot of internal security challenges in their hands:

Communal and religious violence
possible relapse of GAM (Free Acheh Movement)
Jemaah Islamiyah (e.g bombing at JW Merriot and Carlton)
West Papua
Natural disaster: flooding, landslides, earthquakes (that's why they need more transport aircraft)
trafficking
maintaining EEZ

as I mentioned...it was power projection...specifically...overlapping territorial claim....i.e. Ambalat....and dissatisfaction about Sipadan-Ligatan

This is entirely my opinion....maybe I am wrong

btw you must consider SBY, a former general, was speaking at Latihan Gabungan 2013 in front of a large military crowd and, in the lead up to the 2014 presidential election

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I believe that was the Australian newspaper wanting to juice up the issue...but still why a demonstration of invasion capability...in the face of peaceful neighbours...when they have a lot of internal security challenges in their hands:

Communal and religious violence
possible relapse of GAM (Free Acheh Movement)
Jemaah Islamiyah (e.g bombing at JW Merriot and Carlton)
West Papua
Natural disaster: flooding, landslides, earthquakes (that's why they need more transport aircraft)
trafficking
maintaining EEZ

as I mentioned...it was power projection...specifically...overlapping territorial claim....i.e. Ambalat....and dissatisfaction about Sipadan-Ligatan

This is entirely my opinion....maybe I am wrong

btw  you must consider SBY, a former general, was speaking at Latihan Gabungan 2013 in front of a large military crowd and, in the lead up to the 2014 presidential election
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How do Indonesia’s police do crowd control? ‘Gangnam Style’, of course


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he's not one of the "inner circle" people (as opposed to wiranto and co). so he may get challenge from other ex general as well

having said that, being out of said "circle", that means he has better background record than the likes of wiranto and co. no illicit ops, etc
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if izzah gonna whine about future sub acquisiton memang babi la beliau
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if izzah gonna whine about future sub acquisiton memang babi la beliau
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pepol who songlap duit from military acquisition, meant for the defence of the country tu la yg lagi babi
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u mean taking a profit margin as songlap ka? besides why did she go to indon and speaks about malaysian military capability anyway? i doubt it's about transparency
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u mean taking a profit margin as songlap ka? besides why did she go to indon and speaks about malaysian military capability anyway? i doubt it's about transparency
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so, its ok for political leaders to take a profit margin as their own money? tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif ..only in Malaysia that considered OK by some pepol.. tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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greedy bastards who siphon public money and hiding it in the name of 'security' is natang babi

izzah is just maintaining check and balance
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Whatever it is....national security is very important....don't play with it....haven't we learn from Lahad Datu...U all might not remember Darurat or Konfrontasi....I was a boy back then...back in 1964 there was an airborne landing by Indonesian paratroopers near Labis, Johore, during the Konfrontasi.

The paras were sent in three Indonesian Air Force aircraft from Jakarta....however only two aircraft managed to reach Labis....the third aircraft crashed into the Straits of Malacca while trying to evade RAF Air Squadron from Singapore. There was a storm around Labis....so the nearly hundred paras were dispersed and cannot regroup. It took about a month to round up the paratroopers.
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Source: Australian Dept of Defence
6 May 2013

Australia and Indonesia will conduct a joint civil-military seminar in Sentul, near Jakarta on 7 May 2013, Minister for Defence Materiel Dr Mike Kelly AM MP announced today.

The seminar will include senior representatives from the Australian Civil-Military Centre (ACMC) and the Indonesian Peacekeeping Centre (PMPP).

“The 2013 Defence White Paper reaffirmed the important role international engagement has in maintaining a secure and stable region. This seminar is a practical example of Australia’s commitment to further strengthen and broaden relationships with our neighbours including Indonesia,” Dr Kelly said.
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i don't really understand the business procedures in arms acquisition by Mindef too actually..but from what i understand in some other military blogs, we can't directly do business with some arms company because they have no branch or base in this country..also to ensure Malaysia can build their own assets in the future, although Army prefers only procuring, Mindef always looks for transfers of weapons technology..like the AV-8 program, Irkut company..facilities are being build to make sure we can build those weapon ourselves..i don't understand how planning to build more jobs and education about arms for Malaysians in weapon industries is a bad thing..except if there is rasuah..
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This was the Press Realease by Mindef courtesy of Bernama re: Subs And Fighters Procurement


KUALA LUMPUR, April 26 (Bernama) -- The Defence Ministry (Mindef) today refuted allegations by certain quarters that there had been hanky-panky in the procurement of Sukhoi fighter jets and Scorpene submarines for the Malaysian Defence Forces (ATM).

In a statement here today, Mindef said that their procurements were above board and in accordance with procedures set.

They involved various levels of approvals including by a Technical Committee and a Price Negotiation committee after exhaustive studies on their purchase were made to ensure that needs of the ATM were met, said the statement.

It was issued to clarify negative remarks made about the procurements by certain political figures from the opposition who had alleged that there had been hanky-panky in the purchase of the jets and submarines.

According to the statement, before approval (for the purchases) was obtained, references were made to the Attorney-General's Department.

All the terms and approvals for negotiating the purchases were then submitted to the Finance Ministry (MOF)and the purchase contracts were only signed after the MOF gave the go ahead, said the statement.

Mindef also denied that the government had paid a RM540 million commission to political analyst Abdul Razak Baginda (now facing a charge of abetment in the murder of a Mongolian woman) or making any payment to Perimekar Sdn Bhd, in the procurement of the Scorpene submarines and described allegations that it did as baseless.

The Scorpenes procurement were done on a direct negotiation basis with the principals, ARMARIS of France and NAVANTIA of Spain, with both companies having obtained the permission of the respective governments for the transactions.

Perimekar Sdn Bhd actually was given a contract to provide support and coordination services regarding the procurement worth Euro 114.96 million (RM540 million), progressively payable until the end of the procurement process.

Perimekar is jointly owned by Lembaga Tabung Angkatan Tentera (LTAT), Boustead Holdings Bhd and K.S. Ombak Laut Sdn Bhd.

The statement further said that the scope of support services also included providing accommodation facilities and ancillary equipment besides insurance coverage for 27 families in the project team in France and Spain for six years.

The company also had to provide a management office and accommodation for 156 Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN) sailors in France and Spain for four years, and pay them daily allowances of Euro 50 each for the first three years and Euro 60 each for the next three.

Perimekar also had to defray the flight costs for the submarine crew to return to Malaysia once very four months (three times a year) besides looking into their other needs during their stay in France and Spain, the statement added.

Among the coordination services by Perimekar were involving Malaysian companies to participate in the construction of the subs and helping Malaysian companies with potential to take part in offset programmes arising, coordinate the RMN sailors training for submarine operations and provide update reports every six months.

Mindef also clarified that the Euro 114.96 million was not Perimekar Sdn Bhd's nett profit but involved direct and indirect costs as stated in its contract.

On the Sukhoi SU30MKM procurement, Mindef explained that it was done through direct negotiations with its principals, Rosoboronexport, which is owned by the Russian government.

Direct negotiations were required by Russia and it was the same with other countries that traded in military hardware, the ministry said.

All the procurement contracts were signed by a Mindef representative on behalf of the Government of Malaysia with the principals, it added.

The purchase of the jets were also in accordance to procedures, said Mindef.

Mindef also said that Rosboronexport appointed a local company to make it easier to facilitate its (Rosboronexport's) dealings in Malaysia and that the government was not involved in any way in the appointment (of the local company).

With the explanation, the Ministry hoped all parties would understand the true situation and not make statements that only created confusion and cast the ATM, Mindef and the government in a negative light.

-- BERNAMA
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i don't really understand the business procedures in arms acquisition by Mindef too actually..but from what i understand in some other military blogs, we can't directly do business with some arms company because they have no branch or base in this country..also to ensure Malaysia can build their own assets in the future, although Army prefers only procuring, Mindef always looks for transfers of weapons technology..like the AV-8 program, Irkut company..facilities are  being build to make sure we can build those weapon ourselves..i don't understand how planning to build more jobs and education about arms for Malaysians in weapon industries is a bad thing..except if there is rasuah..
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It is just that most normalfags don't understand the deal includes building a factory and RND for 12 variants for the AV-8 case for example. They seriously believe the procurement is overpriced without truly inspecting the details of the deal.
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May 8, 2013: Saudi Arabia has agreed to buy some of the new Turkish Altay tanks. The exact number has not been revealed but the Saudis do have 320 elderly AMX-30 French tanks in urgent need of replacement. The Turkish Army is planning on buying a thousand of the new Altays for about $5.5 million each. These will be acquired four lots of 250 each and not all may be needed (depending on the regional military-political situation. The Turkish Army currently has 720 German Leopard 1 and 2 tanks, 930 American M-60s and 1,370 American M-48s Most (except for the Leopard 2s) are quite old and need replacing soon.  Turkey doesn’t really need 3,000 tanks when half the number of more modern ones would do. Altay is similar to the 338 Leopard 2s the Turks currently have. Most of the rest are Cold War era tanks and rapidly approaching retirement age.

Yet another reason for the Saudis to buy hundreds of Altays is to cement an unofficial alliance with Turkey against Iran and anyone else who might threaten Saudi Arabia and its immediate neighbors. Earlier France proposed replacing the French made AMX-30s with the AMX-56 Leclerc. The 65 ton Altay seems a better fit than the 55 ton Leclerc and Turkey is a lot closer than France.

Moreover the Altay is similar in many ways to the 400 M1 tanks the Saudis have (in service or on order). Both have a 120mm gun, composite armor and high-end electronics. The two tanks are so similar because two years ago Turkey paid South Korea $400 million for rights to much of the technology in the new 55 ton South Korean K2 tank. This vehicle was in turn based on the 1980s K1, which deliberately emulated the M1 design in many ways and did so with the cooperation of the United States. The K1 and K2 proved to be successful designs and the Turks already had decades of experience maintaining and upgrading American M-60 tanks (the predecessor of the M1). With the addition of the South Korean tech the Altay rapidly took shape.

The K2 has a number of new electronic defenses. These include a laser detector that will instantly tell the crew the direction the enemy laser beam is coming from. Most tanks use a laser range finder before it fires its main gun. The K2 fire control system also enables the main gun (120mm) to be used to hit low flying aircraft (helicopters, mostly). There are also numerous improvements to the K1 mechanical and electronic systems, as well as more armor (both composite and ERA). This will make the K2 easier to use and maintain. An autoloader reduces the crew to three men. The Altay is more heavily armored than the K2 and does not use the auto-loader.


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The Hispano HA-200 Saeta was a 1950s Spanish two-seat advanced jet trainer produced by Hispano Aviación. It was later developed into the Hispano Aviación Ha-220 " Super Saeta " which was given an attack capability.

The HA-200 Saeta (Arrow) was the first Spanish turbojet aircraft. It was designed by Willy Messerschmitt as the earlier piston-powered trainer HA-100 Triana. The HA-200 was a low-winged monoplane of all metal construction, with a tricycle undercarriage. It was powered by two Turboméca Marboré mounted side by-side in the forward fuselage and fed from an intake in the nose, exhausting from nozzles just aft of the wing trailing edge. The crew of two was accommodated in tandem in a pressurized cockpit, the first to be Spanish built and designed.

The prototype first flew on 12 August 1955, and the first production aircraft flew in October 1962. The HA-200A aircraft were delivered to the Spanish Air Force with the designation E.14. A single seat version (the HA-220) for the ground-attack role was developed and delivered to the Spanish Air Force with the designation C.10, first flying on 25 April 1970,[3] remaining in service until the end of 1981.

The aircraft was built in Egypt under license as the Helwan HA-200B Al-Kahira by the Helwan Air Works * Now (Arab Organization for Industrialization) .



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any word on procurement now that GE over?
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I dun really mind if the opposition bs crap out.
it would let the procurement under highlights which is a good thing as many malaysian dun care about such thing.
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I dun really mind if the opposition bs crap out.
it would let the procurement under highlights which is a good thing as many malaysian dun care about such thing.
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i just wanna see new jets and frigates
maybe some mods to our pandekar.
radars and some anti-armor weopens for indo grewing artillery division
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i just wanna see new jets and frigates
maybe some mods to our pandekar.
radars and some anti-armor weopens for indo grewing artillery division
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I prefer a much lighter and agile tank like the cv90120t instead of PT91
I wish to see AEW and MPA
More cb90s is much needed in sabah esszone
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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 8 2013, 09:48 PM)
I prefer a much lighter and agile tank like the cv90120t instead of PT91
I wish to see AEW and MPA
More cb90s is much needed in sabah esszone
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5mil per unit roughly seems abit pricey atm.. i think malaysia will invest in maritime and airspace for now IMO
they just procured the av8 recently. maybe refresh of weopens and ammo?
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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 8 2013, 09:48 PM)
I prefer a much lighter and agile tank like the cv90120t instead of PT91
I wish to see AEW and MPA
More cb90s is much needed in sabah esszone
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Adnans with 120mm rifled cannons drool.gif

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cv90120T for the win
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adnans will 1 heck of an ugly IFV with 120mm cannons. laugh.gif
cv90120T for the win
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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 8 2013, 09:48 PM)
I prefer a much lighter and agile tank like the cv90120t instead of PT91
I wish to see AEW and MPA
More cb90s is much needed in sabah esszone
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What about Leclerc ?
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27 million USD sebiji.

leo2 only 5-6 million USD sebiji.

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gila mahal.
27 million USD sebiji.

leo2 only 5-6 million USD sebiji.
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I still can't find the italian C1 Ariete price tag.

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gila mahal.
27 million USD sebiji.

leo2 only 5-6 million USD sebiji.
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I saw this somewhere....Argentina wanted a Light MBT for their terrain...so they ask the German Firm Thyssen...since they want to avoid building from scratch...they use Marder APC hull....and leopard 1 turret....result is about 30 tonnes tank
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perhaps T-90 MBT would be better choice hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif
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for us?meh

if anything, i'd take the new turkish/south korean brand new MBT. tougher armor, C4ISR-capable, longerdіck gun, equpped with both hard kill and soft kill capability,etc

besides, them opposition fag will keep on screaming "T-72 suck ball" all over again
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ May 9 2013, 01:59 AM)
for us?meh

if anything, i'd take the new turkish/south korean brand new MBT. tougher armor, C4ISR-capable, longerdіck gun, equpped with both hard kill and soft kill capability,etc

besides, them opposition fag will keep on screaming "T-72 suck ball" all over again
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ain't that turks tank too heavy for our terrain?
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perhaps T-90 MBT would be better choice hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Why the ATM doesn't choose it over the PT-91 does spark some curiosity... although I'd rather have someone in the know to explain, if the information is open for public knowledge.
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yup. even heavier than leopard 2A6. but i think it has wider track
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yup. even heavier than leopard 2A6. but i think it has wider track
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wider track also dont help so much,

our terrain just give much trouble...

that y they chose PT-91, because russian face this problem with their train especially after the snow melt...

and last time they said also only russian made tank who pass test in our terrain...

they only thing is why PT-91 rather than T-90, its more lighter...

maybe PT-91 more advance.. laugh.gif
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adnans will 1 heck of an ugly IFV with 120mm cannons. laugh.gif
cv90120T for the win
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fine,put some of those 90mm cockerill guns on the Adnan .The army ordered some ACVS for mortars,add some more for scorpion replacement

An armoured fire support weapon which will sustain the ACV-300 production line for a couple more years,reasonably heavy,and with 200+ adnans already in service,logistics and crew training wont be a problem

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yup. even heavier than leopard 2A6. but i think it has wider track
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Mahal right. laugh.gif
I still can't find the italian C1 Ariete price tag.
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7.5 million for C1, some other website said 8 million

http://www.therichest.org/most-expensive/t...s-in-the-world/
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Why the ATM doesn't choose it over the PT-91 does spark some curiosity... although I'd rather have someone in the know to explain, if the information is open for public knowledge.
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PT-91 was chosen bcoz Poland is the only country that would accept a barter deal with Malaysia. A political decision also plays a part in it. Well at least that was what was said by a Polish member in a tank discussion.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showt...and-video/page3

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The U.S. Army's New 84-Ton Tank Prototype Is Nearly IED-Proof
The new Ground Combat Vehicle weighs twice as much as the tank it's designed to replace,
and it's massive enough to survive a roadside bomb.

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The Ground Combat Vehicle U.S. Army

Heavy does not even begin to describe the U.S. Army's new tank. At 84 tons, the Ground Combat
Vehicle prototype weighs more than twice as much as its predecessor, the Bradley Fighting Vehicle.
The Bradley is designed to carry a six-man squad (and three-man driving crew) into combat, while
the GCV will carry a larger, nine-man squad. Both vehicles will provide covering fire and damage
enemy tanks. But the military has built the new GCV to withstand a kind of threat that didn't exist
when the Bradley was deployed in the early 1980s: improvised explosive devices.

Part of logic behind the new tank's massive size is that soldiers inside a vehicle are more likely to survive
an explosion if there's adequate space for them to wear armor while seated. The extra space also helps
distribute pressure from the blast and thus lessens its impact. Another reason the GCV is so huge is that
it's required to carry a larger gun than the Bradley does; the new tank will hold a 30mm cannon, probably
the 344-pound Mk44 Bushmaster II. Finally, the GCV's extra weight means it will need to be manufactured
from the start with a more powerful engine. (By contrast, the Bradley got heavier as the Army added
armor to it in Iraq, and its original engine wasn't powerful enough to support the extra weight.)

The Ground Combat Vehicle is pretty much the opposite of the original plan to replace the Bradley.
A high-concept proposal called Future Combat Systems aimed to make all U.S. Army vehicles lighter.
But during the long ground wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (in which IEDs were the top cause of fatalities),
it became clear clear that heavier, not lighter, was the better vehicle design. The U.S. canceled the Future
Combat Systems program, and work on the GCV began in 2009. The Pentagon is scheduled to award the
first contract to manufacture GCVs in 2019.
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7.5 million for C1, some other website said 8 million

http://www.therichest.org/most-expensive/t...s-in-the-world/
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The U.S. Army's New 84-Ton Tank Prototype Is Nearly IED-Proof
The new Ground Combat Vehicle weighs twice as much as the tank it's designed to replace,
and it's massive enough to survive a roadside bomb.

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The Ground Combat Vehicle U.S. Army

Heavy does not even begin to describe the U.S. Army's new tank. At 84 tons, the Ground Combat
Vehicle prototype weighs more than twice as much as its predecessor, the Bradley Fighting Vehicle.
The Bradley is designed to carry a six-man squad (and three-man driving crew) into combat, while
the GCV will carry a larger, nine-man squad. Both vehicles will provide covering fire and damage
enemy tanks. But the military has built the new GCV to withstand a kind of threat that didn't exist
when the Bradley was deployed in the early 1980s: improvised explosive devices.

Part of logic behind the new tank's massive size is that soldiers inside a vehicle are more likely to survive
an explosion if there's adequate space for them to wear armor while seated. The extra space also helps
distribute pressure from the blast and thus lessens its impact. Another reason the GCV is so huge is that
it's required to carry a larger gun than the Bradley does; the new tank will hold a 30mm cannon, probably
the 344-pound Mk44 Bushmaster II. Finally, the GCV's extra weight means it will need to be manufactured
from the start with a more powerful engine. (By contrast, the Bradley got heavier as the Army added
armor to it in Iraq, and its original engine wasn't powerful enough to support the extra weight.)

The Ground Combat Vehicle is pretty much the opposite of the original plan to replace the Bradley.
A high-concept proposal called Future Combat Systems aimed to make all U.S. Army vehicles lighter.
But during the long ground wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (in which IEDs were the top cause of fatalities),
it became clear clear that heavier, not lighter, was the better vehicle design. The U.S. canceled the Future
Combat Systems program, and work on the GCV began in 2009. The Pentagon is scheduled to award the
first contract to manufacture GCVs in 2019.
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the T90 did not even make it to the final round , only the PT91 and the T84 are in the finals
and the PT91 was chosen as winner due to parts availbility!
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May 8, 2013: Saudi Arabia has agreed to buy some of the new Turkish Altay tanks. The exact number has not been revealed but the Saudis do have 320 elderly AMX-30 French tanks in urgent need of replacement. The Turkish Army is planning on buying a thousand of the new Altays for about $5.5 million each. These will be acquired four lots of 250 each and not all may be needed (depending on the regional military-political situation. The Turkish Army currently has 720 German Leopard 1 and 2 tanks, 930 American M-60s and 1,370 American M-48s Most (except for the Leopard 2s) are quite old and need replacing soon. Turkey doesn’t really need 3,000 tanks when half the number of more modern ones would do. Altay is similar to the 338 Leopard 2s the Turks currently have. Most of the rest are Cold War era tanks and rapidly approaching retirement age.

Yet another reason for the Saudis to buy hundreds of Altays is to cement an unofficial alliance with Turkey against Iran and anyone else who might threaten Saudi Arabia and its immediate neighbors. Earlier France proposed replacing the French made AMX-30s with the AMX-56 Leclerc. The 65 ton Altay seems a better fit than the 55 ton Leclerc and Turkey is a lot closer than France.

Moreover the Altay is similar in many ways to the 400 M1 tanks the Saudis have (in service or on order). Both have a 120mm gun, composite armor and high-end electronics. The two tanks are so similar because two years ago Turkey paid South Korea $400 million for rights to much of the technology in the new 55 ton South Korean K2 tank. This vehicle was in turn based on the 1980s K1, which deliberately emulated the M1 design in many ways and did so with the cooperation of the United States. The K1 and K2 proved to be successful designs and the Turks already had decades of experience maintaining and upgrading American M-60 tanks (the predecessor of the M1). With the addition of the South Korean tech the Altay rapidly took shape.

The K2 has a number of new electronic defenses. These include a laser detector that will instantly tell the crew the direction the enemy laser beam is coming from. Most tanks use a laser range finder before it fires its main gun. The K2 fire control system also enables the main gun (120mm) to be used to hit low flying aircraft (helicopters, mostly). There are also numerous improvements to the K1 mechanical and electronic systems, as well as more armor (both composite and ERA). This will make the K2 easier to use and maintain. An autoloader reduces the crew to three men. The Altay is more heavily armored than the K2 and does not use the auto-loader.

Source: StrategyWorld
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QUOTE(heavyduty @ May 9 2013, 07:30 AM)
fine,put some of those 90mm cockerill guns on the Adnan .The army ordered some ACVS for mortars,add some more for scorpion replacement

An armoured fire support weapon which will sustain the ACV-300 production line for a couple more years,reasonably heavy,and with 200+ adnans already in service,logistics and crew training wont be a problem

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that looks neat! still, i prefer combining the CV-90s and Adnan in one mechanized brigade though..
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should weight limitation to be a requirement for future purchase of MBT for ATM?
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should weight limitation to be a requirement for future purchase of MBT for ATM?
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Most likely will.
unless they are suggesting using it only in urban areas.
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ May 9 2013, 01:37 PM)
that looks neat! still, i prefer combining the CV-90s and Adnan in one mechanized brigade though..
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i agree, we should be looking at combining the CV90t 120mm cannon with Adnan

Also i would equipped adnan with TOW missile if possible
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What's the news on our old scorpion and stormer, are they retired ady?
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CV90120-T

I dunno, shoot sideway can turtle ady?
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wont.
it were low recoil turret.

QUOTE(hafizushi @ May 9 2013, 03:53 PM)
i agree, we should be looking at combining the CV90t 120mm cannon with Adnan

Also i would equipped adnan with TOW missile if possible
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I looking for cv90120T with cv90amos.
would be a bonus we get another atgm variant.

QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ May 9 2013, 03:58 PM)
What's the news on our old scorpion and stormer, are they retired ady?
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we are still using it.
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QUOTE(hafizushi @ May 9 2013, 03:53 PM)
i agree, we should be looking at combining the CV90t 120mm cannon with Adnan

Also i would equipped adnan with TOW missile if possible
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It would be better just to mount a dedicated TOW launcher like they did with the bakhtar shikan because turret mounted TOWs like the M901 are known to be crap

M901 and NM142?
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QUOTE(heavyduty @ May 9 2013, 04:11 PM)
It would be better just to mount a dedicated TOW launcher like they did with the bakhtar shikan because turret mounted TOWs like the M901 are known to be crap

M901 and NM142?
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i like Adnan be to like bradley FV, with tow missile

i heard bradley kill more armored vehicle than m1a2 abrams in iraqi war

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the M3 bradley,as a reconnaissance vehicle made first contact with the enemy so its not suprising they had more kills.I doubt most of it was the result of TOW hits.the vehicle needed to be stationary and its take a lot of time to set up the TOW,it is only used during an ambush or fired at stand off range

you have to take into account the human factor,shit like number of kills is grossly exaggerated
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The U.S. Army's New 84-Ton Tank Prototype Is Nearly IED-Proof
The new Ground Combat Vehicle weighs twice as much as the tank it's designed to replace,
and it's massive enough to survive a roadside bomb.

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Gila babi berat. what kind of dimension will this be ? and them fuel supply.
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the US army is also considering other options. among them are CV90, Anders and that israeli IFV based on soivet mbt chasis

why the fark the AIFV has never even being considered (even though it's originated in us) is beyond my comprehension
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"that israeli IFV based on soivet mbt chasis"
Namer ? That AIFV looks lowered as hell.
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ May 9 2013, 11:07 AM)
The U.S. Army's New 84-Ton Tank Prototype Is Nearly IED-Proof
The new Ground Combat Vehicle weighs twice as much as the tank it's designed to replace,
and it's massive enough to survive a roadside bomb.

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The Ground Combat Vehicle U.S. Army

The above pic is of a CV90. Here are the pics of the BAE Ground Combat Vehicle. As you can see the massive add-on armor on each side of the hull.

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The above pic is of a CV90. Here are the pics of the BAE Ground Combat Vehicle. As you can see the massive add-on armor on each side of the hull.

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Looks heavy as f***
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QUOTE(lulz @ May 9 2013, 09:36 PM)
"that israeli IFV based on soivet mbt chasis"
Namer ? That AIFV looks lowered as hell.
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Namer is an APC based on Merkava design. Merkava tank itself was design as some sort of AIFV since it has compartment to carry up to 6 infantrymans. Namer expand this. It can carry up to 11 infantrymans. Unfortunately, in order to acommodate more infantries, it sacrifice firepower. The turret was removed to make more room for infantry. It is only armed with a GPMG or HMG or a AGL. In a sense, Namer are no longer an AIFV. It's just a heavily armored APC.

The one based on captured soviet tank is achzarit, based of T54/55 tank chassis. BUt that's not all. Several countries have already convert their old tanks to APC. Tarmour (India) and BTR-T (Russia) are based on T-55 chassis. Nakpadon (Israel) and Temsah (Jordan) are based on centurion tank Chassis.
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the way i see it our army needed a new frigate the most, other than new mrca aircraft or new mbt

because we only have 2 fully operational frigate at the moment, while kedah class not yet upgraded their weaponry
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Philippine Navy denies Taiwan shooting

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MANILA: The Philippine Navy on Friday denied allegations that its forces had shot dead
a crewman of a Taiwan fishing vessel, saying none of its ships were in the area at the time of
the apparent incident.

“The Philippine Navy denies any involvement in an incident where a Taiwanese fisherman was reportedly shot and
the wound led to his death,” the statement said. The naval commander in the area said his ships were in port or very close
to the Philippine coast at the time, the statement added.

A spokesman for the Philippine coast guard, which is a separate service from the Philippine Navy, could not be contacted for comment.
Asked about the report, Philippine Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario said: “We cannot confirm it. We will check that”.
Taiwan’s foreign ministry said that a Taiwanese fishing vessel carrying three Taiwanese and one Indonesian crewman
was fired upon early Thursday by a “Philippine government boat”.

The incident, some 164 nautical miles off the southernmost tip of Taiwan, left one of the Taiwan crewmen dead.
The ministry did not specify what type of government boat allegedly fired upon the vessel, while Taiwan’s coast guard said it
was trying to verify reports that it was a Philippine Navy vessel.

The Philippines and Taiwan, along with Brunei, China and Malaysia, have conflicting claims to parts of the South China Sea.
China and Taiwan have been ruled separately since the end of a civil war in 1949, although Beijing claims the island.
The Philippines has no diplomatic ties with Taiwan but maintains economic and cultural links. -- AFP

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Again with the pinoy saying "we not there" brows.gif

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The above pic is of a CV90. Here are the pics of the BAE Ground Combat Vehicle. As you can see the massive add-on armor on each side of the hull.

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Ferry range: 1,000 km (540 nm, 620 mi)
Service ceiling: 4,725 m (15,500 ft)
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Never exceed speed: 190 knots (219 mph, 352 km/h)
Maximum speed: 152 knots (175 mph, 282 km/h)
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Ferry range: 1,335 km (720 nmi, 829 mi) at 1525 m (5,000 ft) (max external fuel)
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Range: 800 km (430 nm, 500 mi) combat (with external tanks in the inboard stations: 1,300km)
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Never exceed speed: 365 km/h (197 knots, 227 mph)
Maximum speed: 293 km/h (158 knots, 182 mph)
Cruise speed: 259 km/h (140 knots, 161 mph)
Range: 537 km (290 nmi, 334 mi)
Ferry range: 1,700 km (974 nmi, 1,121 mi)
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Range: 435 km (234 nmi, 270 mi)
Combat radius: 200 km (108 nmi, 124 mi) ; with 10 min loiter and 5% reserves
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Range: 545 km (339 miles)
Ferry range: 1,160 km (720 mi) with 4 drop tanks
Service ceiling: 5,500 m (18,000 ft)
Rate of climb: 10 m/s (32.8 ft/s)
Disc loading: 30 kg/m² (6 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.33 kW/kg (0.20 hp/lb)

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Manila seeks Golan Heights peacekeeper pullout after abductions


MANILA | Fri May 10, 2013 12:58am EDT

(Reuters) - The Philippines aims to pull out 342 soldiers on peacekeeping duties in the Golan Heights, nearly half the number of its U.N. peacekeepers worldwide, after the abduction of four Filipinos near the Syrian border, the foreign minister said on Friday.

Albert del Rosario said he had sent a recommendation to President Benigno Aquino to withdraw the peacekeepers from the Israeli-occupied area, explaining that the four peacekeepers were being held by Syrian rebels as human shields against attack by government forces.

The four were taken hostage on Tuesday.

"Our recommendation ... is for the early pullout of our people because we believe the exposure now is beyond tolerable limits," Del Rosario told reporters.

"Abduction of peacekeepers is a gross violation of international law and we give great importance to the safety and security of our peacekeepers."

The Philippines has deployed more than 800 soldiers in U.N. peacekeeping operations in eight hotspots across the globe. Nearly 350 of them are on duty in the ceasefire zone in the Golan Heights.

Two months ago, Syrian rebels held 20 Filipino peacekeepers near the border and used them to demand the pull back of Syrian government forces. They were freed after a few days.

On Wednesday, the U.N. Disengagement Observer Force (UNDOF) pulled back from an observation post in al Jamiah zone in the Golan Heights, where the Filipino soldiers were taken captive.

The UNDOF, which has been monitoring a ceasefire between Israel and Syria since 1974, has about 1,000 peacekeepers and civilian staff from Austria, Croatia, India, Moldova, Morocco and the Philippines.

Source: Thomson Reuters
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Philippine Navy denies Taiwan shooting

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MANILA: The Philippine Navy on Friday denied allegations that its forces had shot dead
a crewman of a Taiwan fishing vessel, saying none of its ships were in the area at the time of
the apparent incident.

“The Philippine Navy denies any involvement in an incident where a  Taiwanese fisherman was reportedly shot and
the wound led to his death,” the  statement said. The naval commander in the area said his ships were in port or very close 
to the Philippine coast at the time, the statement added.

A spokesman for the Philippine coast guard, which is a separate service  from the Philippine Navy, could not be contacted for comment.
Asked about the report, Philippine Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario  said: “We cannot confirm it. We will check that”. 
Taiwan’s foreign ministry said that a Taiwanese fishing vessel carrying  three Taiwanese and one Indonesian crewman
was fired upon early Thursday by a “Philippine government boat”. 

The incident, some 164 nautical miles off the southernmost tip of Taiwan, left one of the Taiwan crewmen dead.
The ministry did not specify what type of government boat allegedly fired upon the vessel, while Taiwan’s coast guard said it
was trying to verify  reports that it was a Philippine Navy vessel.

The Philippines and Taiwan, along with Brunei, China and Malaysia, have  conflicting claims to parts of the South China Sea.
China and Taiwan have been ruled separately since the end of a civil war in  1949, although Beijing claims the island.
The Philippines has no diplomatic  ties with Taiwan but maintains economic and cultural links. -- AFP

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Their coast guard admitted they shot the fishing boat. Claim that the fishing boat trying to ram their armed vessel.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/regions/...anese-fisherman

Expect big brother China to pay a visit.
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viper without a doubt.
government would go for tiger though.

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viper without a doubt.
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if gomen get viper i'd lol biggrin.gif
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if gomen get viper i'd lol biggrin.gif
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I would be very happy.
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Their coast guard admitted they shot the fishing boat. Claim that the fishing boat trying to ram their armed vessel.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/regions/...anese-fisherman

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Yes they did admit earlier...

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Posted at 05/10/2013 12:07 PM | Updated as of 05/10/2013 1:05 PM

MANILA - The Philippine Coast Guard confirmed Friday that a Taiwanese fisherman was killed after the PCG shot at a fishing trawler that tried to ram their boat near Batanes.

The PCG identified the fatality as Hung Shih-Cheng, 65, one of 4 crew members of the Taiwanese fishing vessel "Guang Ta Hsin 28."

Officials said the BFAR MCS 3001 vessel first spotted 4 Taiwanese vessels 164 nautical miles off the southernmost tip of Balintang Channel in Batanes. One of the trawlers tried evasive maneuvers and was about to ram the BFAR boat, causing them to fire at the foreign vessel.

Three crew members on board the Guang Ta Hsin 28 were unharmed.

"They fired at the machinery to disable it... if somebody died, they deserve our sympathy but not an apology," PCG spokesman Commander Armand Balilo told reporters.

PCG Commandant Admiral Rodolfo Isorena has ordered the relief of 11 PCG personnel onboard the vessel during the shooting incident.

Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources Director Asis Perez said 2 BFAR personnel on board the vessel were also sacked.

Perez said the Taiwanese vessels were already in Philippine territorial waters when they were spotted by the Coast Guard.

Isorena said the PCG fired warning shots at the much larger fishing trawler when it tried to ram their vessel. The Coast Guard then shot at the trawler's engine, causing it to stop.

He said the PCG withdrew its vessel after another ship arrived in the area.

Taiwan's foreign ministry earlier said that a Taiwanese fishing vessel carrying three Taiwanese and one Indonesian crewman was fired upon early Thursday by a "Philippine government boat".

The incident, some 164 nautical miles off the southernmost tip of Taiwan, left one of the Taiwan crewmen dead.

The ministry did not specify what type of government boat allegedly fired upon the vessel.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 10 2013, 01:54 PM)
viper without a doubt.
government would go for tiger though.
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but rooivalk has greater range..800km!!
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but rooivalk has greater range..800km!!
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not much user.
unproven.
also only 12 units were build.
better take viper.
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The Navy League Of Australia prefer the Viper instead of the Tiger.

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Malaysia Perlu Lebih Banyak Kapal Selam - Bekas Panglima TLDM

KUALA LUMPUR, 10 Mei (Bernama) -- Malaysia memerlukan lebih banyak kapal selam untuk beroperasi secara efektif dalam mengawal kedaulatan negara terutama di Laut China Selatan yang luas, kata bekas Panglima Tentera Laut Laksamana (B) Tan Sri Mohd Anwar Mohd Nor.

Beliau berkata untuk menjadi sebuah angkatan laut yang berjaya dan berkesan, Tentera Laut Diraja Malaysia (TLDM) memerlukan enam kapal selam atau sekurang-kurangnya tiga buah.

Malaysia kini memiliki dua kapal selam Scorpene yang berpangkalan di Teluk Sepanggar, Sabah.

"Sampai masa ada kapal yang terpaksa menjalani pembaikan atau servis yang akan memakan masa berbulan-bulan, kalau setakat dua buah kapal, ini akan mengganggu operasi tentera laut," katanya ketika ditemui Bernama baru-baru ini.

Beliau berkata demikian apabila diminta mengulas mengenai pembinaan armada kapal selam yang membabitkan beberapa negara serantau seperti Malaysia, Vietnam dan Indonesia.

Singapura baru-baru ini memasukkan kapal selam terpakai dari kelas Archer untuk berkhidmat di samping empat kapal selam dari kelas terpakai Challenger.

Mohd Anwar berkata contoh terbaik bagi menghadapi masalah itu ialah pembelian enam kapal perang Gowind oleh TLDM.

Blogger pertahanan, militaryofmalaysia.net yang hanya mahu dikenali sebagai Shahpaskal memberitahu operasi kapal selam tidak sesuai di Selat Melaka kerana lautnya cetek dan mempunyai banyak gangguan sonar.

"Tidak ada kapal selam yang berani menyelam di Selat Melaka. Jika terdapat sebarang konflik dengan tujuan menutup selat itu daripada laluan perkapalan, ia akan berlaku di kawasan Laut China Selatan atau di Teluk Bengal dan Laut Andaman," katanya.

Beliau berkata umumnya orang ramai keliru dan beranggapan kapal selam hanya mampu menembakkan torpedo serta melancarkan komando dan periuk api.

"Kapal selam merupakan senjata yang paling efektif, ia boleh menjadi aset pengintipan untuk tugas Sigint dan Elint (Signal Intelligence dan pengintipan elektronik) yang berkesan...ini disebabkan Malaysia tidak mempunyai kapal pengintipan elektronik yang dedikasi seperti yang ada di negara maju," katanya.

-- BERNAMA

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they should have select the tiger HAD variant. the best variant.
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Indonesia To Hold Largest Military Exercise Next Year


SANGATTA (East Kalimantan) May 10 (Bernama) - The National Defense Force or TNI will hold the largest military exercise in the country next year, Indonesian news agency ANTARA reported.

In 2014, Indonesia will hold two military exercises consisting of a fast reaction force (PPRC) exercise at battalion level and a joint combat exercise involving the Army, Navy and Air Force as the last activity of the second United Indonesia Cabinet, TNI Chief Admiral Agus Suhartono said Thursday.

"The most complete and biggest-ever exercise will be held late September or early October to demonstrate all of the military's main armament systems procured by the Defense Ministry and the TNI," he said.

The TNI will demonstrate the capability of the entire military equipment and combat force as part of the government and TNI's responsibilities to the people, Suhartono said.

"As 2014 is the final year of the second United Indonesia Cabinet's tasks, one of the activities high on the TNI's agenda is demonstrating all military development programmes next year," he said.

Suhartono said all programmes to develop minimum main forces will not be completed by 2014 as they will continue until 2024.

However, nearly 20 percent of the programmes will have been completed by 2014.

"Nearly 40 percent of the programmes have been completed, thanks to the role and support of the House of Representatives Commission I," Suhartono said.

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Their coast guard admitted they shot the fishing boat. Claim that the fishing boat trying to ram their armed vessel.

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(AP) The shooting death of a Taiwanese fisherman by the Philippine coast guard has become the latest incident to roil tensions over territorial disputes in and around the South China Sea, with Taipei calling Friday for Manila to apologize for the shooting.

Taiwan said that the Philippine Coast Guard opened fire Thursday on a 65-year-old fisherman in waters claimed by both governments. The Philippines acknowledged the Taiwanese claim, but said its personnel were acting in self-defense.

Meanwhile China sought to make common cause with Taiwan against Manila, deploring the shooting in harsh rhetoric that threatened to spark another diplomatic tussle between Beijing and the Philippines, a key U.S. ally in one of Asia's most contentious areas.

Speaking to reporters in Taipei, Foreign Minister David Lin blamed the Philippine coast guard for opening fire on the fisherman's boat, the Kuang Ta Hsing No. 28, on Thursday, from a vessel belonging to the fisheries department of the Philippines Department of Agriculture in the Bashi Strait, about midway between southern Taiwan and the northern Philippines.

"We strongly condemn the fatal shooting of a Taiwanese fisherman by the Philippine fishery department," Lin said. "We urge the Philippine government to open a full investigation on this case and send their apology to Taiwan's government."

Even before Lin spoke, the Chinese Foreign Ministry in Beijing had condemned the incident, a clear attempt to make common cause with Taiwan on a matter of nationalistic pride involving disputed maritime territory.

Spokeswoman Hua Chunying called it a "brutal act" and echoed Taiwan's demand that Manila investigate.

"We are expressing our deep grief on the death of the Taiwan compatriot and condolences to the victim's family," Hua said.

Taiwan and China split amid civil war in 1949 and Beijing continues to claim the democratic island as part of its territory. In recent months it has made repeated attempts to bring Taiwan onto its side in its maritime disputes with Japan and other countries in the region. Taiwan has so far resisted, reflecting its own claims of national sovereignty.

Underscoring China's interest in playing the incident up, government channel CCTV led its noontime news on Friday with an emotional report on the death of the Taiwanese fisherman, and the Communist Party-controlled Global Times newspaper called on the Chinese navy to increase its presence in the South China Sea, amid angry condemnations of the Philippines as a "savage" country.

Taiwan's freewheeling media also gave prominent attention to the incident, with newspapers reporting it in banner headlines and cable TV news stations giving it round the clock coverage.

In Manila, the Philippine coast guard acknowledged that its personnel had opened fire on the Taiwanese boat, but claimed they acted in self-defense.

"They were forced to fire the shots because the fishing vessel attempted to ram them," said coast guard chief Rear Admiral Rodolfo Isorena.

Isorena said an investigation into the incident was being launched.

Relations between the Philippines and China, already hampered by simmering tensions over the Spratly Islands, deteriorated sharply last year when Chinese maritime vessels took control of a disputed shoal in the South China Sea.

The Philippines has turned to its American ally to beef up its dilapidated military assets and train its forces, and angered Beijing by seeking U.N. arbitration on South China Sea disputes.

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    Maximum speed: 278 km/h (148 knots, 170 mph)
    Cruise speed: 229 km/h (135 knots, 155 mph)
    Range: 510 km (275 nm, 320 mi)
    Ferry range: 1,000 km (540 nm, 620 mi)
    Service ceiling: 4,725 m (15,500 ft)
    Rate of climb: 10.2 m/s (2,025 ft/min)
Bell AH-1 SuperCobra / Zulu Cobra / Viper (USA)

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Operators (current/former): Imperial Iranian Army (former operator),  Islamic Republic of Iran Army, Republic of China, Republic of China Army (Taiwan), Republic of Korea Army, Turkish Army, United States Marine Corps
    Never exceed speed: 190 knots (219 mph, 352 km/h)
    Maximum speed: 152 knots (175 mph, 282 km/h)
    Range: 311 nmi (358 mi, 576 km)
    Service ceiling: 10,500 ft (3,215 m)
    Rate of climb: 1,090 ft/min (5.54 m/s)
Denel AH-2 Rooivalk (South Africa)

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Operators: South African Air Force
    Never exceed speed: 309 km/h (167 knots, 193 mph)
    Cruise speed: 278 km/h (150 knots, 173 mph) at sea level (max cruise)
    Range: 740 km (380 nmi, 437 mi) at sea level(max internal fuel)
    Ferry range: 1,335 km (720 nmi, 829 mi) at 1525 m (5,000 ft) (max external fuel)
    Service ceiling: 6,100 m (20,000 ft)
    Rate of climb: 13.3 m/s (2,620 ft/min)
Eurocopter EC 665 Tiger (France, Germany, Spain)

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Operators:  Australian Army, French Army, German Army,  Spanish Army
    Maximum speed: 290 km/h with mast, 315 km/h without mast (157 knots, 181 mph with mast, 170 knots or 196 mph without mast)
    Range: 800 km (430 nm, 500 mi) combat (with external tanks in the inboard stations: 1,300km)
    Service ceiling: 4,000 m (13,000 ft)
    Rate of climb: 10.7 m/s (2,105 ft/min)
Hughes (later McDonnell Douglas/Boeing) AH-64 Apache (USA)

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Operators: Egyptian Air Force, Hellenic Army, Israeli Air Force,  Japan Ground Self-Defense Force,  Kuwait Air Force, Royal Netherlands Air Force, Royal Saudi Land Forces, Republic of Singapore Air Force,    Republic of China Army, United Arab Emirates Air Force, British Army Air Corps (AgustaWestland AH Mk 1 Apache), United States Army
    Never exceed speed: 365 km/h (197 knots, 227 mph)
    Maximum speed: 293 km/h (158 knots, 182 mph)
    Cruise speed: 259 km/h (140 knots, 161 mph)
    Range: 537 km (290 nmi, 334 mi)
    Ferry range: 1,700 km (974 nmi, 1,121 mi)
    Service ceiling: 6,400 m (21,000 ft)
    Rate of climb: 12.7 m/s (2,500 ft/min)
Mil Mi-24 "Hind"  (Russia)

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Operators (current): Afghan Air Force,  Algerian Air Force,Defence Force of Angola, Armenian Air Force, Azerbaijani Air Forces,Belarus Air Force, Brazilian Air Force, Bulgarian Air Force, Burundi Army Aviation,Burkina Faso Air Force, Chadian Air Force, Congolese Air Force, Congolese Democratic Air Force, Cuban Air Force, Cyprus Air Forces, Czech Air Force, Djibouti Air Force, Military of Equatorial Guinea , Eritrean Air Force, Ethiopian Air Force, Georgian Air Force, Military of Guinea, Hungarian Air Force, Indian Air Force, Indonesian Army, Military of Kazakhstan, Military of Kyrgyzstan, Free Libyan Air Force, Macedonian Air Force, Air Force of Mali, Mongolian Air Force, Military of Mozambique, Myanmar Air Force, Namibian Air Force, Air Force of Niger, Nigerian Air Force, North Korean Air Force, Pakistan Air Force, Peruvian Air Force, Polish Air Force, Polish Land Forces, Russian Air Force, Military of Rwanda, Senegalese Air Force, Sierra Leone Air Wing, Sri Lanka Air Force, Sudanese Air Force, Syrian Air Force, Military of Tajikistan, Military of Turkmenistan, Ugandan Air Force, Ukrainian Ground Forces, United States Army, Military of Uzbekistan, Army of Venezuela, Vietnam People's Air Force, Yemen Air Force, Air Force of Zimbabwe
    Maximum speed: 335 km/h (208 mph)
    Range: 450 km (280 miles)
    Service ceiling: 4,500 m (14,750 ft)
Mil Mi-28 "Havoc" (Russia)

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    Maximum speed: 320 km/h (172 knots, 199 mph)
    Cruise speed: 270 km/h (145 knots, 168 mph)
    Range: 435 km (234 nmi, 270 mi)
    Combat radius: 200 km (108 nmi, 124 mi) ; with 10 min loiter and 5% reserves
    Ferry range: 1,100 km (593 nmi, 683 mi)
    Service ceiling: 5,700 m (19,000 ft)
    Rate of climb: 13.6 m/s (2,677 ft/min)
Kamov Ka-50 "Black Shark" (Russia)

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    Never exceed speed: 350 km/h (189 knots, 217 mph) in dive
    Maximum speed: 315 km/h (170 knots, 196 mph) in level flight
    Cruise speed: 270 km/h (146 knots, 168 mph)
    Range: 545 km (339 miles)
    Ferry range: 1,160 km (720 mi) with 4 drop tanks
    Service ceiling: 5,500 m (18,000 ft)
    Rate of climb: 10 m/s (32.8 ft/s)
    Disc loading: 30 kg/m² (6 lb/ft²)
    Power/mass: 0.33 kW/kg (0.20 hp/lb)
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yinchet please make a poll on 1st page
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Edit first post IINM!
the lower part have poll option
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Edit first post IINM!
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alamak, ye ke
hahaha next thread la kot hehehe
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Can only add poll when starting new thread only what?

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Can only add poll when starting new thread only what?

I choose between the Apache and Viper wub.gif
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Viper and Tiger for me
reading the post from marines in the militaryphotos clearly the Cobra is winrar!
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viper is one of the best of all.
but must add crv7 rocket pod which is the best of the best.
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I support Tiger, 2nd is Rooivalk
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i actually like the blackshark personally. but will never get choosen
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i actually like the blackshark personally. but will never get choosen
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I also like the Blackshark.....some of its interesting features:

-The Ka-50 was designed to be small, fast and agile to improve survivability and lethality. With minimal weight and size it means maximum speed and agility. The cockpit is framed with steel aluminium shields weighing, which makes it practically impenetrable to 20-mm shells.

-It is uniquely among gunships–to be operated by a single pilot only which reduced both fuselage weight and cross-section. Kamov concluded after thorough research of helicopter combat in Afghanistan and other war zones, that with well-designed support automation a single pilot can carry out the entire mission alone. For example when a tank appears at a range of 8-10 km all the pilot needs to do is to frame it, switch on the automatic lock-on mode and open fire.

- With its coaxial contra-rotating rotor system it has no tail rotor. Because of this, it is unaffected by wind strength and direction, has an unlimited hovering turn rate, and gives a smaller profile and acoustic signature. It also means that it can perform maneuvers that is referred to as super-agility. So it is fully aerobatic and can perform loops, roll, and so on.

- The Ka-50 is the first helicopter to receive an ejection seat, so that the pilot can eject to safety the way a fighter pilot does. Explosives in the rotor head blow off the rotor blades, in order to clear the seats’ exit path. The Ka-50's avionics ensure automatic flight and landing in case the pilot blacks out.

- It has a remote targeting system with a capability to provide for a sudden attack from a distance without direct visual contact with the target. This gives a better chance against Imaging Infra Red operators. The firing computer will turn the aircraft to keep the gun on target. It is equipped with downlink to provide information from the battlefield.

-The vulnerable boom and rear gearbox are fairly common causes of helicopter losses in combat; the Black Shark's entire transmission presents a comparatively small target to ground fire. Kamov maintains that the co-axial drive assembly is built to survive hits from 23 mm ammunition. The rotor blades are made of super-strong composites. They can provide adequate lift after sustaining several bullet holes.

-It was designed for remote operations, and not to need ground maintenance facilities for 2 weeks.

You can read the story of the Blackshark at the following links:

The history of the Black Shark (Part1) http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20070130/59927298.html
The history of the Black Shark (Part 2) http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20070131/59996649.html
The history of the Black Shark (Part 3) http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20070201/60066880.html


The Russian learnt a lot about attack helos deployment especially during the Chechnyan War and Blackshark is one of the development based on Afghan and Chechyan experience. I quote the following from the paper The War in Chechnya: A Military Analysis by G.D. Bakshi, Army Officer, (The Blackshark was not fielded in the operations)


"Helicopters took heavy losses from Chechen ZU-23 AD guns and Dshk Machine guns mounted on jeeps and Toyota trucks. Besides, they used Strellas, Iglas and Stinger SAMS. An interesting feature was the Chechen use of RPG-7 Anti Tank Rocket Launchers against helicopters. Five helicopters (two Mi-8s and three Mi-24s) were lost in the first three months of the conflict. By the end of the first Chechen campaign, statistics indicated that every tenth Russian helicopter was lost and every fourth damaged. The noise of the helicopters alerted the opposition and its slow flight speed permitted them to lay ambushes for these. The Chechens employed a unique tactic. They would pinpoint the location of the Forward Air Controller (FAC) aircraft by radio direction finders and ambush them regularly."


PS. The Ka-52 “Alligator” is a 2-seat version of the Ka-50, using a side by side instead of the tendem layout common in attack helicopters. Kamov design this variant as a dedicated helicopter to conduct battlefield reconnaissance, provide target designation and support group attack helicopter operations. This changes the helicopter’s aerodynamics somewhat, reducing maximum speed from 310 km/h to 300 km/h (192 – 186 mph), and increasing fuel consumption slightly, armoring, and gun ammunition. On the other hand, this change is expected to make it easier for the helicopter crew to perform battlefield observation and coordination roles.

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instead of KA-50 get KA-52 instead
also Rooivalk will be the last in my list.

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ka-50/52 ugliest attack heli everrr.
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instead of KA-50 get KA-52 instead
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instead of KA-50 get KA-52 instead
also Rooivalk will be the last in my list.
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tak payah la rooivalk,
my dad and his team reject lama dah!
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IINM There was talk of us wanting to buy Rooivalk in 90's. Then Financial crisis so shelved. Denel also lost the British and Turkish deal. Now they are having hard time in development. They need foreign buys badly.
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I dun think we will buy it anytime soon.

QUOTE(atreyuangel @ May 10 2013, 08:07 PM)
tak payah la rooivalk,
my dad and his team reject lama dah!
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dat y I said last in my list.
saya pun reject kalau saya dalam valuation team.

QUOTE(noavatar @ May 10 2013, 08:08 PM)
IINM There was talk of us wanting to buy Rooivalk in 90's. Then Financial crisis so shelved. Denel also lost the British and Turkish deal. Now they are having hard time in development. They need foreign buys badly.
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yup. there is talk.
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Over 11,000 troops, 101 military hardware and 68 fighter jets and helicopters have taken part in the parade on Moscow's Red Square - the biggest event among thousands underway in Russia to celebrate WWII victory.
9 May 2013 Thursday

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjeW74XcAvc
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Look at the state of this rusty old carrier.

It isn't a rusty old carrier. It is a brand new carrier prior to painting. This is Gerald R Ford (CVN-78) and the super carrier is having the forward end of one of the catapults attached whilst in Pre-Commissioning at Newport News Shipbuilding.
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blackshark have more safety features than other helicopters..it should be given the chance to prove its capabilities in actual battle..great to see another blackshark's peminat here..i thought i was the only one..lol

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blackshark have more safety features than other helicopters..it should be given the chance to prove its capabilities in actual battle..great to see another blackshark's peminat here..i thought i was the only one..lol
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the carrier look nice, but how come cost billion $. just a pieces of stells
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ada sapa nk jawab x soalan beliau?
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to put it simple..dude..it have a fcking badass twin nuclear reactor in it..highly sophisticated AA defenses, advance radar and some other advance and badass stuff..
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just read wikipedia man..simple..
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viper is one of the best of all.
but must add crv7 rocket pod which is the best of the best.
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ko ni dari tadi the best of the best of the bestest of bestestetst

there's no such thing as the best.only what suits you the most


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ko ni dari tadi the best of the best of the bestest of bestestetst

there's no such thing as the best.only what suits you the most
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still wished for Ka-52..equipped with lots and lots of 9A4172 Vikhr wire-guided missiles..
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i'd preferred AH-1Z. it's combat-proven(hell the word "proven" is an understatement), cheaper than AH-64,yet comparable in term of firepower and lower maintanence and flight per hour cost as well.

if possible we should get AH-64E. but perhaps it's too expensive for us (and then izzah&co. whining lagi).

some of us did mentioned Mi-35. and i actually don't really mind if we get these as our gunship.it's cheaper and can carry a section of infantrymen.
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kerana songlap.

oh, US? not malaysia?
then it cost billion cost it worth that much. US mana ade songlap!
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kerana songlap.

oh, US? not malaysia?
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Operating cost also, it travels in a complete set of a battle group or the smallest one, a strike group.

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Operating cost also, it travels in a complete set of a battle group or the smallest one, a strike group.

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ur sarcasm detector not working?
just the carrier alone cost USD9 billion to build.

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CVN-78 cost US about USD13.5bil.
to be deliver by 2015.

http://costofwar.com/publications/2011/ana...ending-request/

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kerana songlap.

oh, US? not malaysia?
then it cost billion cost it worth that much. US mana ade songlap!
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sorry to say in united states also got

"'According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions,' Rumsfeld admitted. $2.3 trillion — that's $8,000 for every man, woman and child in America."
-- CBS News, 1/29/02, U.S. Secretary of Defense raises evidence of government and military corruption

"A GAO report found Defense inventory systems so lax that the U.S. Army lost track of 56 airplanes, 32 tanks, and 36 Javelin missile command launch-units. When military leaders were scrambling to find enough chemical and biological warfare suits to protect U.S. troops, the department was caught selling these suits as surplus on the Internet 'for pennies on the dollar.'"
-- San Francisco Chronicle, 5/18/03

"The Defense Department spent an estimated $100 million for airline tickets that were not used over a six-year period and failed to seek refunds even though the tickets were reimbursable."
-- New York Times, 6/9/04




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sorry to say in united states also got

"'According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions,' Rumsfeld admitted. $2.3 trillion — that's $8,000 for every man, woman and child in America."
  -- CBS News, 1/29/02, U.S. Secretary of Defense raises evidence of government and military corruption

"A GAO report found Defense inventory systems so lax that the U.S. Army lost track of 56 airplanes, 32 tanks, and 36 Javelin missile command launch-units. When military leaders were scrambling to find enough chemical and biological warfare suits to protect U.S. troops, the department was caught selling these suits as surplus on the Internet 'for pennies on the dollar.'"
  -- San Francisco Chronicle, 5/18/03

"The Defense Department spent an estimated $100 million for airline tickets that were not used over a six-year period and failed to seek refunds even though the tickets were reimbursable."
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banyak betul orang phail sarcasm hari ini...
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Taiwan threatens sanctions over Philippines shooting

TAIPEI: President Ma Ying-jeou said Saturday Taiwan would consider sanctions against the Philippines amid widespread public outrage at Manila over the shooting of a Taiwanese fisherman.

"We will definitely seek justice for our fisherman. We will not rule out the possibility of taking any kind of sanctions" against the Philippines, Ma said while inspecting a coastguard drill in central Taiwan.

"The Philippines shot an unarmed fishing boat. This is very brutal and cold-blooded," he said, reiterating Taipei's demand for Manila to apologise, apprehend the killer and compensate.

Some Taiwanese lawmakers urged the government to freeze the hiring of Philippine workers to protest after the Philippines admitted its coastguard had fired at a Taiwanese fishing boat.

Taiwanese authorities said 65-year-old fisherman Hung Shih-cheng was killed during Thursday's incident, which also left the boat riddled with more than 50 bullet holes.

Abigail Valte, a spokeswoman for Philippine President Benigno Aquino, told a government radio station that authorities had launched a "transparent and impartial investigation" into the incident.

She expressed hopes that economic ties with Taipei will not be affected and added that the coastguard crew involved in the incident have been temporarily suspended to ensure a fair probe.

"Let's wait for the investigation," Aquino's spokesman Ricky Carandang told AFP when asked to comment on Taiwan's sanctions threat.

Ma's government has come under pressure from the opposition and the media to take action, with the Philippines refusing to apologise and saying the coastguard was tackling illegal fishing.

Philippine coastguard spokesman Commander Armand Balilo said Friday the incident took place in Philippine waters and the Filipino personnel had been properly carrying out their duties to stop illegal fishing.

"If somebody died, they deserve our sympathy but not an apology," Balilo told reporters.

Hung's son has insisted that the boat did not cross into Philippine waters.

The Taipei-based China Times called the incident a "criminal case" and demanded Manila shoulder the full responsibility.

"The Philippines' uncivilised action apparently violated maritime convention, the Taiwan government must take strong counter moves to defend our fishermen's rights and prevent similar tragedy," it said in an editorial.

The Apple Daily newspaper called the shooting "an act of brigands" and said Taiwanese people "angrily demand the blood debt be paid".

Some Taiwanese Internet users allegedly attacked and temporarily paralysed several Philippine government websites Friday night, according to Apple Daily.

The incident comes at a time of heightened tensions around the region over rival claims to the nearby South China Sea.

China, the Philippines, Taiwan, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei all have competing claims to parts of the sea. -AFP
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Taiwan threatens sanctions over Philippines shooting

TAIPEI: President Ma Ying-jeou said Saturday Taiwan would consider sanctions against the Philippines amid widespread public outrage at Manila over the shooting of a Taiwanese fisherman.

"We will definitely seek justice for our fisherman. We will not rule out the possibility of taking any kind of sanctions" against the Philippines, Ma said while inspecting a coastguard drill in central Taiwan.

"The Philippines shot an unarmed fishing boat. This is very brutal and cold-blooded," he said, reiterating Taipei's demand for Manila to apologise, apprehend the killer and compensate.

Some Taiwanese lawmakers urged the government to freeze the hiring of Philippine workers to protest after the Philippines admitted its coastguard had fired at a Taiwanese fishing boat.

Taiwanese authorities said 65-year-old fisherman Hung Shih-cheng was killed during Thursday's incident, which also left the boat riddled with more than 50 bullet holes.

Abigail Valte, a spokeswoman for Philippine President Benigno Aquino, told a government radio station that authorities had launched a "transparent and impartial investigation" into the incident.

She expressed hopes that economic ties with Taipei will not be affected and added that the coastguard crew involved in the incident have been temporarily suspended to ensure a fair probe.

"Let's wait for the investigation," Aquino's spokesman Ricky Carandang told AFP when asked to comment on Taiwan's sanctions threat.

Ma's government has come under pressure from the opposition and the media to take action, with the Philippines refusing to apologise and saying the coastguard was tackling illegal fishing.

Philippine coastguard spokesman Commander Armand Balilo said Friday the incident took place in Philippine waters and the Filipino personnel had been properly carrying out their duties to stop illegal fishing.

"If somebody died, they deserve our sympathy but not an apology," Balilo told reporters.

Hung's son has insisted that the boat did not cross into Philippine waters.

The Taipei-based China Times called the incident a "criminal case" and demanded Manila shoulder the full responsibility.

"The Philippines' uncivilised action apparently violated maritime convention, the Taiwan government must take strong counter moves to defend our fishermen's rights and prevent similar tragedy," it said in an editorial.

The Apple Daily newspaper called the shooting "an act of brigands" and said Taiwanese people "angrily demand the blood debt be paid".

Some Taiwanese Internet users allegedly attacked and temporarily paralysed several Philippine government websites Friday night, according to Apple Daily.

The incident comes at a time of heightened tensions around the region over rival claims to the nearby South China Sea.

China, the Philippines, Taiwan, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei all have competing claims to parts of the sea. -AFP
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Philippines claim that the fishing boat was trying to ram the patrol boat and they shoot to disable.... don't know what actually happened but if I for one certainly won't attempt to ram a patrol boat with a .50cal sticking out if I'm on a fishing boat.
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    Bradley Cooper is attached to star and has been developing the project as a producer.
    A first-quarter 2014 start date is being targeted."
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this fella got killed back in us this year right?
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Philippines claim that the fishing boat was trying to ram the patrol boat and they shoot to disable.... don't know what actually happened but if I for one certainly won't attempt to ram a patrol boat with a .50cal sticking out if I'm on a fishing boat.
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only China fishing boat dare to do it.
Anyway I doubt Taiwanese will do such MO.
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China will keep a close eye on the development of the fatal shooting of a Taiwanese fisherman by the Philippine Coast Guard, a Foreign Ministry spokeswoman said on Friday.

China is deeply concerned about the incident and has strongly condemned the act, spokeswoman Hua Chunying said at a daily news briefing.

Earlier Friday, the Philippine Coast Guard admitted killing a Taiwanese fisherman in seas near the northern Philippines on Thursday.

Hua said authorities want the Philippines to investigate the case immediately and explain the incident as soon as possible, adding "we wish to express deep grief over the death of the Taiwanese fisherman and give condolences to the victim's family."

"What I want to stress is that the Chinese side is strongly concerned about the Philippines' repeated use of force against unarmed fishermen," she said.

Urging the Philippine side to address the incident appropriately, Hua said, "We will continue to keep a close watch on the development of the incident."

Regarding a Philippine media report stating that some Chinese vessels were spotted in the Spratly islands near Ren'ai Jiao, referred to as Ayungin Shoal by the Philippines which administers it and known internationally as Second Thomas Reef, Hua said China has sovereignty over the nearby Nansha (Spratly) islands and their adjacent waters and that Chinese government-owned ships are entitled to patrol there.

"The Chinese side urges concerned countries to follow the spirit of the Declaration on the Conduct of the Parties in the South China Sea, refrain from making moves that could complicate the situation and make due efforts to maintain peace and stability in the South Sea," said the spokeswoman.


See if the pinoys will shoot at those.
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See if the pinoys will shoot at those.
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Taiwan media is reporting phl patrols gun fired "lots of rounds" instead of just a warning shot. so they believe that phl patrols sort of massacred the taiwanese fisherman thats why a lot are very angry in taiwan

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Taiwan media is reporting phl patrols gun fired "lots of rounds" instead of just a warning shot. so they  believe that phl patrols sort of massacred the taiwanese fisherman thats why a lot are very angry in taiwan
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52 bullet holes....

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/arch...5/12/2003562051

Not the first time it happened... in 2006, pinoy coast guard shot at another fishing boat killing 2 fisherman.
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I think sending a couple of frigates right up to their doorsteps and see what they can do about it would be nice.

Instead, Ma threathens sanction..aduhai
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I think sending a couple of frigates right up to their doorsteps and see what they can do about it would be nice.

Instead, Ma threathens sanction..aduhai
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already there is strong public opinion in TW for some military reaction....show of force
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Chinese hackers reportedly broke into the networks of defense contractors working on the F-35 (including Lockheed Martin, maker of both the F-35 and F-22). In an interesting coincidence, China revealed its J-20 stealth jet in late 2010 boasting a nose section that looks a lot like the F-22's, right down to parts of the canopy design and what might be a 3-D heads up display. Then, last year, China unveiled its second stealthy fighter, the J-31. That plane bears a way-too-close-for-comfort resemblance to the F-22 and the F-35. (Last year, a U.S. Air Force official pointed out that the F-35's computerized maintenance system containing tons of information about the jet had to be redesigned after it was found to be vulnerable to hackers.)

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Taiwan beefs up patrols in waters near Philippines

TAIPEI: Taiwan Sunday dispatched four coastguard and naval vessels to beef up patrols in waters near the Philippines following public outrage over the shooting of a Taiwanese fisherman by Filipino coastguards.

"The government is determined to protect our fishermen," cabinet spokeswoman Cheng Li-wen said in a statement as a Lafayette-class naval frigate and coastguard vessels set sail for the area where the 65-year-old Taiwanese fisherman was killed Thursday.

The move came shortly after authorities issued a strongly-worded statement late Saturday night demanding Manila apologise to Taiwan and compensate the family of the dead man.

In its statement, Taiwan also asked the Philippine authorities to bring to justice the coastguards responsible and start negotiating with Taipei on a proposed fishery agreement.

"If the Filipino government fails to respond in a positive manner within 72 hours, the hiring of Philippine workers will be frozen," presidential office spokeswoman Lee Chia-fei warned.

Hung Shih-cheng, the skipper of the 15-tonne "Kuang Ta Hsin No 28", was killed during the incident, which also left the boat riddled with more than 50 bullet holes.

"This is nothing but a slaughter," prosecutor Liu Chia-kai told reporters after examining the ship.


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In Manila, Abigail Valte, a spokeswoman for Philippine President Benigno Aquino, told a government radio station Saturday that authorities had launched a "transparent and impartial investigation" into the incident.

She expressed hopes that economic ties with Taipei would not be affected and added that the coastguard crew involved in the incident had been temporarily suspended to ensure a fair probe.

Taiwan's government has come under pressure from the opposition and the media to take action, with the Philippines refusing to apologise and saying the coastguard was tackling illegal fishing.

Philippine coastguard spokesman Commander Armand Balilo said Friday the incident took place in Philippine waters and the crew had been carrying out their duties to stop illegal fishing.

"If somebody died, they deserve our sympathy but not an apology," Balilo told reporters.

The victim's son, who was with his father and two other sailors on the boat when the shooting took place, has insisted they did not cross into Philippine waters.

- AFP
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Meanwhile in the Philippines.....According to a April 30, interaksyon.com survey conducted by the Father Saturnino Urios University in Butuan City, 8 out of 10 respondents in Butuan City are willing to sell their votes. Seven out of 10 knew somebody who will do the same.

Why....perhaps poverty of the poor majority....the government’s National Statistical Coordination Board (NSCB) [read as ridiculously low poverty threshold]....reported July 2012 poverty rate of 27.9 percent

For comparison

Malaysia 4%
Indonesia 13%
Thailand 8%
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fighter ke commercial

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I think being fighter pilot you can have some room for error and correct....driving fast car less room for error...my opinion only...i m not a pilot
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ST Kinetics Compact Personal Weapon and new CIS-40 AGL MK2 .

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ST Kinetics Compact Personal Weapon and new CIS-40 AGL MK2 .

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CPW looks similar to MP7..hey, which company created our first local-made and yet very-ugly gun, VB Berapi? what happen to them now?
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CPW looks similar to MP7..hey, which company created our first local-made and yet very-ugly gun, VB Berapi? what happen to them now?
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If I am not mistaken, sme ordnance manufacturers it, but it is designed by a Russian designer??
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they should really fix some of the ergo issues on the sar.

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If I am not mistaken,  sme ordnance manufacturers it, but it is designed by a Russian designer??
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bulgarian or ukrainian.
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nope, by VB Berapi themselves, they used Bulgarian sports weapon designer!
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According to Wiki:

Hisham Abd Majid, the director of Vita Berapi in 2006, said that the rifle is designed by Vyktar Prykhodeka, a Russian residing in Malaysia.
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Hisham Abd Majid, the director of Vita Berapi in 2006, said that the rifle is designed by Vyktar Prykhodeka, a Russian residing in Malaysia.
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Exactly what I saw about it....
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Hisham Abd Majid, the director of Vita Berapi in 2006, said that the rifle is designed by Vyktar Prykhodeka, a Russian residing in Malaysia.
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a Russian? home of AK, Dragunov, Makarov and other cool guns? and yet he comes out with that crappy design? my god.. doh.gif
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he's not mike kalashnikov,nor have anything to do with mike, you know
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i know..but he could at least copy some of the cool design from the kalashnikov or other russian gun inventors and modified it..'stylish looks' plays a role too in product marketing..VB didn't sell a thing coz of that crappy design..
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even design look crap, y they still consider to build the prototype??

who approve it laa?? buat malu je design like that...

look like cold war gun..

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even design look crap, y they still consider to build the prototype??

who approve it laa?? buat malu je design like that...

look like cold war gun..

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even NERF toy gun looks better than that doh.gif
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even design look crap, y they still consider to build the prototype??

who approve it laa?? buat malu je design like that...

look like cold war gun..

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Gosh that's really fugly.. Why not just hide it inside a polymer housing or something.
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another few more design of berapi... doh.gif

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the handgun look like a space gun... shoot lazer?? laugh.gif

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the sniper rifle.

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another few more design of berapi...  doh.gif

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the handgun look like a space gun... shoot lazer??  laugh.gif

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the sniper rifle.
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that sniper rifle totally kills it! call the Kor Armor..tie the russian and lenyet that ******* with Pendekar..
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consider it as a learning curve. ofc it wont enter serial production. thus the feedback(obviously negative from all sides,really) will help improve their product.

since they're trying to make a gun from scratch, the design bound to be like that.
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they could have started by building a modified AR/AK rifle and progress from there.
i.e. the singaporeans started by building a gas-piston AR clone (sar 80) way back in the 80s/90s.
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another few more design of berapi...  doh.gif

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the handgun look like a space gun... shoot lazer??  laugh.gif

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it is a good starts
the designer is a sports weapon designer, maybe they approach the design in different pov!
to be honest, I would like to know how the rifle perform in the battle field
ugly rifle is ok as long they can do the job
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Five A400M test aircraft complete a formation flight


As the next-generation A400M continues its certification evaluations, all five of the programme's flight test aircraft took to the sky this week for a unique formation flight performed by the Airbus Flight Test teams.


The video is here http://www.airforce-technology.com/videos/2368611151001.html
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The US has refused to condemn the shooting death of a Taiwanese fisherman by the Philippine Coast Guard.

Asked directly during the US Department of State’s daily press briefing if the US condemned “this brutal attack,” acting deputy spokesman Patrick Ventrell would not.

“The United States is aware of the incident between a Philippine law enforcement vessel and one or more Taiwan fishing boats that resulted in the death of one Taiwan fisherman,” he said. “We welcome the Philippine government’s pledge to conduct a full and transparent investigation into the incident and to work with the Taiwan authorities to establish what transpired.”

He said that Washington urged all parties to ensure maritime safety and to refrain from actions that could escalate tensions in the region and undermine the prospects for a diplomatic or other peaceful resolution of differences.

A journalist then pressed Ventrell, asking: “So, you’re not condemning the Filipino government for this attack?”

Ventrell replied: “Well, we said that they’re going to conduct an investigation, and what we want is a full and transparent investigation into the specifics of the incident.”

The acting deputy spokesman was asked if the Philippines should apologize.

“Well, again, let’s see what the investigation says before we make a further judgement,” Ventrell said.

Asked if the incident had occurred in Philippine waters or in disputed waters, Ventrell said that he was “not aware” where the incident actually occurred.

“I don’t know if we have a definitive understanding — this is, again, one of the things we hope that the investigation can clarify,” he said.

Ventrell said that he was “not aware” that either Taiwan or the Philippines had been in contact with the US about the shooting.

“We maintain contact with both parties,” he said.

Source: The Taipei Times
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even design look crap, y they still consider to build the prototype??

who approve it laa?? buat malu je design like that...

look like cold war gun..

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dont know how many sudah kena songlup.
no need re-design, go & get the China type 95.
simply, cheap, good performance, low maintenance, & accuracy.
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dont know how many sudah kena songlup.
no need re-design, go & get the China type 95.
simply, cheap, good performance, low maintenance, & accuracy.
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QBZ-95 Barrel cepat panas tak sesuai Malaysia Weather
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u do realize certain parts of china can get as hot or hotter than malaysia?
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QUOTE(limfreelance @ May 13 2013, 01:22 PM)
dont know how many sudah kena songlup.
no need re-design, go & get the China type 95.
simply, cheap, good performance, low maintenance, & accuracy.
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I prefer we take a look on XM-8 instead.
get rid of the heat problem we are good to go.

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sad..xm8 only prototype & sink after the 2008 economy.
It replace by HK 416 or Mk18.
for future combat:
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QUOTE(limfreelance @ May 13 2013, 02:06 PM)
sad..xm8 only prototype & sink after the 2008 economy.
It replace by HK 416 or Mk18.
for future combat:

I thought PASKAL is using it(or testing it)now?
ATM mainly using Steyr , M16 and M4 standard issue Rifle only?
are those Steyr and M16 being replace by M4 rifle?
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I prefer we take a look on XM-8 instead.
get ride of the heat problem we are good to go.
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but HK sure exp.

QUOTE(limfreelance @ May 13 2013, 02:06 PM)
sad..xm8 only prototype & sink after the 2008 economy.
It replace by HK 416 or Mk18.
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died way b4 that. 2005.

QUOTE(James831 @ May 13 2013, 02:31 PM)
I thought PASKAL is using it(or testing it)now?
ATM mainly using Steyr , M16 and M4 standard issue Rifle only?
are those Steyr and M16 being replace by M4 rifle?
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m16 -> steyr -> m4
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QUOTE(James831 @ May 13 2013, 02:31 PM)
I thought PASKAL is using it(or testing it)now?
ATM mainly using Steyr , M16 and M4 standard issue Rifle only?
are those Steyr and M16 being replace by M4 rifle?
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copy rite for steyr expired. Malaysia bought the copy rite of M4, sad, M4 faced very bad problem during in desert environment.
That y US work with HK jemman to produce XM8, but stop by the crisis economi. Endup the pick the HK416 from jerman, MK16 from Belgium, or the MK18 from USA.

M4 will slowly fully withdraw from USMC.
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QUOTE(limfreelance @ May 13 2013, 02:39 PM)
copy rite for steyr expired. Malaysia bought the copy rite of M4, sad, M4 faced very bad problem during in desert environment.
That y US work with HK jemman to produce XM8, but stop by the crisis economi. Endup the pick the HK416 from jerman, MK16 from  Belgium, or the MK18 from USA.

M4 will slowly fully withdraw from USMC.
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M4 is not as bad as it look.

anyway. USMC did not go for M4 but they are using M16A4 instead.
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QUOTE(James831 @ May 13 2013, 02:31 PM)
I thought PASKAL is using it(or testing it)now?
ATM mainly using Steyr , M16 and M4 standard issue Rifle only?
are those Steyr and M16 being replace by M4 rifle?
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test product. IINM.
the US marines kept some XM-8 in their inventory. limited use iinm.
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QUOTE(limfreelance @ May 13 2013, 02:39 PM)
copy rite for steyr expired. Malaysia bought the copy rite of M4, sad, M4 faced very bad problem during in desert environment.
That y US work with HK jemman to produce XM8, but stop by the crisis economi. Endup the pick the HK416 from jerman, MK16 from  Belgium, or the MK18 from USA.

M4 will slowly fully withdraw from USMC.
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not buy copyright, but licensing to manufacture locally.
m4 is just carbine version of m16, so it inherit the same pros (lightweight, accurate) and cons (reliability) of the m16.
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QUOTE(limfreelance @ May 13 2013, 02:39 PM)
copy rite for steyr expired. Malaysia bought the copy rite of M4, sad, M4 faced very bad problem during in desert environment.
That y US work with HK jemman to produce XM8, but stop by the crisis economi. Endup the pick the HK416 from jerman, MK16 from  Belgium, or the MK18 from USA.

M4 will slowly fully withdraw from USMC.
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as far as I know, HK-416 is only use by PASKAL in malaysia?

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as far as I know, HK-416 is only use by PASKAL in malaysia?
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as far as I know, HK-416 is only use by PASKAL in malaysia?
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HK416 is being widely use by Special security force/commandos world wide.
PASKAL and PGK is using them.

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M4 is not as bad as it look.

anyway. USMC did not go for M4 but they are using M16A4 instead.
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the USMC issues the M4 to officers and SNCOs

the US army are withdrawing the M16 in favour of the M4 in frontline service
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the USMC issues the M4 to officers and SNCOs

the US army are withdrawing the M16 in favour of the M4 in frontline service
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wait USMC itu tak bagi kat frontline aje cuma bagi kat certain pangkat jer?
sebab saya baca USMC itu gunakan M16A4 tak mau guna M4.

so story ini macam mana punya?
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as i know, military today gonna to produce automate ( u amy see it in manga or anime) unman control killing machine.



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SIBU, 12 Mei (Bernama) -- Tentera Laut Diraja Malaysia (TLDM) akan terus meronda perairan pantai timur Sabah walaupun Komand Keselamatan Sabah Timur (ESSC) yang menyelia keselamatan menyeluruh kawasan itu, telah mula beroperasi.

Panglima Wilayah Laut Dua Laksamana Muda Datuk Pahlawan Mohammad Rosland Omar berkata TLDM bekerjasama rapat dengan Agensi Penguatkuasaan Maritim Malaysia (APMM), Pasukan Operasi Marin dan Tentera Udara Diraja Malaysia dalam meronda kawasan pantai.

"Oleh kerana Filipina akan mengadakan pilihan raya esok, kita perlu berwaspada terhadap sebarang kemungkinan.

"Kita tidak harus membiarkan kawalan kita reda walaupun keadaan di pantai timur Sabah kini kembali normal," katanya kepada pemberita selepas mesyuarat agong tahunan kelima Persatuan Bekas Tentera Laut Diraja Malaysia Sabah di Sibu, Ahad.

Rosland berkata perairan Sabah dikendali oleh 500 personel tentera laut, yang menunjukkan peningkatan tiga kali ganda dari kekuatan sebelumnya, sementara jumlah kapal ditambah daripada tiga kepada 10 kapal dan bot pintas.

"Saya percaya nelayan kita di perairan Sabah kini merasa lebih selamat dengan kehadiran kami," kata beliau.

Pada majlis itu, Rosland menyampaikan 'Pingat Jasa Malaysia' kepada 11 veteran tentera laut.

--BERNAMA

http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v7/bm/ge/ne...l.php?id=949111
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personally prefer this one. but i suppose its rather new without combat history and yet to be battle-tested. the concept of adaptability is really nice though. kinda wonder if it can stands the hot and humid weather/climate of malaysia without affecting its overall performance. hmm.gif rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 13 2013, 03:04 PM)
wait USMC itu tak bagi kat frontline aje cuma bagi kat certain pangkat jer?
sebab saya baca USMC itu gunakan M16A4 tak mau guna M4.

so story ini macam mana punya?
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Officers and SNCOs get M4s because they used to be issued the M9,but everyone figured a pistol doesn't do shit so they get carbines

the M16A4 is still the main issued weapon but the M4 is trinkling down the supply chain to the common man

you hardly see M16s on US army infantry,most carry M4s

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test product. IINM.
the US marines kept some XM-8 in their inventory. limited use iinm.
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all water based SF in ATM use 416
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all water based SF in ATM use 416
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PGK juga guna 416.
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No HK MP7 or FN P90 for CQB ?
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No HK MP7 or FN P90 for CQB ?
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PASKAL primarily uses MP5s but P90s are also seen


MP7 and P90 are niche weapons anyway
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Just some photos to share of what to expect for this weekend, 2013 Republic of Singapore Navy Open House, Changi Naval Base, Singapore.

http://xtemujin.wordpress.com/2013/05/12/2...base-singapore/
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PGK juga guna 416.
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yep, 416 and now some of them uses the Armalite Bushmaster

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Just some photos to share of what to expect for this weekend, 2013 Republic of Singapore Navy Open House, Changi Naval Base, Singapore.

http://xtemujin.wordpress.com/2013/05/12/2...base-singapore/
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not bad..like 416 + SCAR..
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although it slowpoke.
I just watch the history channel smoking some high quality weed on the "dog fight of the future".
the scenario F-22 vs India airforce "su-30mki and rafale" where F-22 totally imba outperform a large sqn of those fighter.
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although it slowpoke.
I just watch the history channel smoking some high quality weed on the "dog fight of the future".
the scenario F-22 vs India airforce "su-30mki and rafale" where F-22 totally imba outperform a large sqn of those fighter.
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not long ago there's someone who post about dogfight..in V8 thread IINM..i can't remember if its about EF vs F-22 or SU-30MKI vs F-22 in a mock dogfight during military exercise..in the mock dogfight, F-22 lose several times..or is it EF/Su-30 vs F-35..i can't remember..anyway, the show you're watching is an american TV show, they always bullshitting, they would definitely say american jet outperform every jets that flies in the sky at the moment for sure..
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ada namanya. HK417
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only them Turks/scandinavian pipu can shoot them 7.62 mm battle rifle

us azns are just too...azn-y to contain such raw power.
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speaking of guns, i like Beowulf better..watched it in Futureweapons..dem 50. cal bullets~~ (not 50 cal like M85's 50. BMG bullet but more like Desert Eagle's 50. AE cal bullet~~) sad it can only hold 10 bullets in one clip..dat stopping power~~
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I heard Singapore going to have 4 more LHD Endurance-class from St. Marine...damn~ 4 MPSS~ that is just overkill for a small island like that..
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not long ago there's someone who post about dogfight..in V8 thread IINM..i can't remember if its about EF vs F-22 or SU-30MKI vs F-22 in a mock dogfight during military exercise..in the mock dogfight, F-22 lose several times..or is it EF/Su-30 vs F-35..i can't remember..anyway, the show you're watching is an american TV show, they always bullshitting, they would definitely say american jet outperform every jets that flies in the sky at the moment for sure..
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If recalled correctly, think its Rafale vs Raptors.. got a couple of restrictions like no SPECTRA
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I heard Singapore going to have 4 more LHD Endurance-class from St. Marine...damn~ 4 MPSS~ that is just overkill for a small island like that..
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PASUKAN KHAS DITUBUH DI SETIAP KONTIJEN SIASAT JENAYAH SENJATA API

Kuala Lumpur, 14 Mei - Polis melancarkan gerakan besar-besaran memburu kumpulan penjenayah yang membunuh sasaran dengan senjata api menerusi penubuhan pasukan khas di setiap kontinjen negeri.

Pengarah Jabatan Siasatan Jenayah Bukit Aman Datuk Seri Mohd Bakri Mohd Zinin memberitahu Bernama langkah segera itu yang dibuat susulan banyak kes bunuh menggunakan senjata api mutakhir ini, menunjukkan keseriusan polis menangani kejadian tersebut.
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although it slowpoke.
I just watch the history channel smoking some high quality weed on the "dog fight of the future".
the scenario F-22 vs India airforce "su-30mki and rafale" where F-22 totally imba outperform a large sqn of those fighter.
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not long ago there's someone who post about dogfight..in V8 thread IINM..i can't remember if its about EF vs F-22 or SU-30MKI vs F-22 in a mock dogfight during military exercise..in the mock dogfight, F-22 lose several times..or is it EF/Su-30 vs F-35..i can't remember..anyway, the show you're watching is an american TV show, they always bullshitting, they would definitely say american jet outperform every jets that flies in the sky at the moment for sure..
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I know american show is full bs bias on the hardware superiority.
I even lolz on they putting in SU-47 instead of PAKFA.

Yes the rafale vs raptors.
there were also EF vs Raptors too.
both perform quite well against Raptors.

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not long ago there's someone who post about dogfight..in V8 thread IINM..i can't remember if its about EF vs F-22 or SU-30MKI vs F-22 in a mock dogfight during military exercise..in the mock dogfight, F-22 lose several times..or is it EF/Su-30 vs F-35..i can't remember..anyway, the show you're watching is an american TV show, they always bullshitting, they would definitely say american jet outperform every jets that flies in the sky at the moment for sure..
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If recalled correctly, think its Rafale vs Raptors.. got a couple of restrictions like no SPECTRA
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Challenged by the ever growing scale and capabilities of China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA), Taiwan must develop its air defense capabilities fielding more capable fighter planes in greater numbers, a requirement aired in a recently published released quadrennial defense review. Taiwan’s Ministry of National Defense (MND) claims that China is deploying many of its newest weapons its Nanjing and Guangzhou military regions, both of which are adjacent to Taiwan, in recent years. Moreover, Many of the training programs and live-fire exercises played by the PLA have focused on seeking a speedy end to island conflicts in an apparent effort to prevent foreign intervention in the event of such a standoff...............


http://defense-update.com/20130314_taiwan-...th-fighter.html

I have my doubts.
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http://defense-update.com/20130314_taiwan-...th-fighter.html

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i remember reading it would take PLA roughly 3 days or so to defeat TW military and effectively conquer the island.
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i remember reading it would take PLA roughly 3 days or so to defeat TW military and effectively conquer the island.
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I think its 6 days based on simulation some years back. Though i think effective conquer wont be so easy since taiwan's heavily built urban jungle.
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dah naik dah.. dah naik daaaaaa
Except for Kedah and Kelantan, I have been on all 4 other ships
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question,why are some of them wearing jungle boots and have different coloured caps?
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I believe China will suffer massive lost of their troops and hardware.
anyway Taiwan should start investing in iron dome and mantis air defense.
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question,why are some of them wearing jungle boots and have different coloured caps?
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There is not regulation of boots kot?
and the caps is old and wears out!
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I think its 6 days based on simulation some years back. Though i think effective conquer wont be so easy since taiwan's heavily built urban jungle.
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OK.
last time i heard from many tw-educated seniors in the 60s/70s that tw's national service was pretty brutal, but hardly hear much about TW NS nowadays.

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the forces in Nanjing Military Region and Guangzhou is enuff to create a strike force to invade Taiwan.. smile.gif
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OK.
last time i heard from many tw-educated seniors in the 60s/70s that tw's national service was pretty brutal, but hardly hear much about TW NS nowadays.
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the forces in Nanjing Military Region and Guangzhou is enuff to create a strike force to invade Taiwan.. smile.gif
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it will take more than that.
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it will take more than that.
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at least a 10 to 1 advantage is needed.triple that when you actually move inward towards the city and face hardened defences.All the while maintaining a smooth supply chain from the mainland
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Sagem GFCS fire-control system wins major contract from Singapore Navy

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Sagem (Safran) has signed a contract with the Defence Science and Technology Agency (DSTA) of Singapore to develop and produce a new Gun Fire-Control System (GFCS) for eight Littoral Mission Vessels ordered by the Republic of Singapore Navy.

Sagem’s new GFCS is a centralized system located at the ship’s operations center that integrates several functions: main and secondary guns, radar, optronics and navigation systems. Capable of operating from several multifunction consoles concurrently, Sagem’s GFCS will also be interfaced with the combat management system. It’s open architecture not only allows for easy integration but also ensures flexibility and scalability for future upgrades and enhancement.

A long-standing partner to the Singapore Navy, Sagem has also supplied the GFCS for the six Formidable class frigates, and four Endurance class LSTs.

The new GFCS will be developed by Sagem at its Massy R&D center near Paris. Through this program Sagem provides further proof of its capabilities as systems integrator for combat systems, sensors and decentralized information on military platforms.

(1) - (1)The upcoming Littoral Mission Vessel class program for Singapore comprises eight 1,200-tonne vessels. This program, being led by ST Marine as prime contractor, will replace the country’s current Fearless-class patrol vessels.

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The new Littoral Mission Vessels (LMVs) will progressively enter operational service from 2016.

They will be designed with baseline operational capabilities for maritime security operations and be configurable to meetspecific mission requirements. Being larger than current patrol vessels, the LMVs will ensure better sea-keeping in high sea states plus they will possess a high level of automation and decision support systems to enable leaner crew manning.

The sensor and weapon systems" RADM Ng Chee Peng, Chief of the Republic of Singapore Navy



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at least a 10 to 1 advantage is needed.triple that when you actually move inward towards the city and face hardened defences.All the while maintaining a smooth supply chain from the mainland
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yup.
they have conscription too. which means china need even more forces.
maintaining constant supply chain from food to weapons to ammo is the hardest parts.
cutting off those supply will bring huge casualties on China side.
The larger no of troops would also need them to manage even larger supply chain.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 14 2013, 10:23 PM)
yup.
they have conscription too. which means china need even more forces.
maintaining constant supply chain from food to weapons to ammo is the hardest parts.
cutting off those supply will bring huge casualties on China side.
The larger no of troops would also need them to manage even larger supply chain.
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i'm not sure about the conscript/reservist quality though. Just read on wiki that now they only do 4 mths training and that's it. no ict/refresher?

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IN 2012, it was reported that From 2013 on, military draftees born after January 1, 1994 will only need to receive four months of military training and will no longer be required to serve one year of military service, and that the government was on track to replace all serving conscripts with volunteers by the end of 2014.
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i'm not sure about the conscript/reservist quality though. Just read on wiki that now they only do 4 mths training and that's it. no ict/refresher?
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depend on how they are going to strategist their crisis before hand.
if hike of confrontation boiling up without a doubt they would call certain amount of reservist for training before the war erupts.
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i'm not sure about the conscript/reservist quality though. Just read on wiki that now they only do 4 mths training and that's it. no ict/refresher?
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when shit goes south they will be called back for a refresher course.China won't suddenly just invade out of the blue

the quality of conscripts will always be inferior to regulars,they need a lot of time to mature into soldiers.in teh infantry,if you're been in the service under 2 years,you're considered a FNG,a f***ing useless fag who will likely get his platoon killed
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when shit goes south they will be called back for a refresher course.China won't suddenly just invade out of the blue

the quality of conscripts will always be inferior to regulars,they need a lot of time to mature into soldiers.in teh infantry,if you're been in the service under 2 years,you're considered a FNG,a f***ing useless fag who will likely get his platoon killed
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having an annual refresher would get them more operationally ready faster, but meh.
i have this sneaky feeling that TW has essentially given up and is just biding time for a peaceful reunion with china.
communism FTW!
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having an annual refresher would get them more operationally ready faster, but meh.
i have this sneaky feeling that TW has essentially given up and is just biding time for a peaceful reunion with china.
communism FTW!
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more like political interest to reduce training course.
as for taiwan they prefer the economy way.
they have tons of their electronic factory at china.
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more like political interest to reduce training course.
as for taiwan they prefer the economy way.
they have tons of their electronic factory at china.
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The thinking is just to provide a credible deterent thats all since most Taiwanese already given up on US backing.
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The thinking is just to provide a credible deterent thats all since most Taiwanese already given up on US backing.
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Taiwan threatens to hold naval drill near Philippines

TAIPEI: Taiwan stepped up pressure on Manila Tuesday, saying it would conduct a naval drill in waters near the Philippines if Manila did not officially apologise for the killing of a Taiwanese fisherman.

Taiwan has demanded the Philippines apologise by midnight Tuesday (1600 GMT) over the killing of the 65-year-old fisherman by coastguards last week or face a potential freeze in sending workers to the island.

The defence ministry said the military was prepared to conduct an exercise in the waters where Hung Shih-cheng of the 15-tonne Guang Ta Hsin 28 was shot Thursday.

“We’ve prepared ourselves and staging an exercise in the Bashi Channel is one of the military’s options,” defence ministry spokesman David Lo told AFP.

“Whether or not to conduct the drill would be up to the reaction of the Philippine government.” Taiwan has also asked the Philippines to bring to justice the coastguards responsible and start negotiating a fisheries agreement.

Lo declined to provide details but the state Central News Agency said the exercise would be held Thursday and involved a Kidd-class destroyer, a Perry-class frigate and three coastguard frigates.

A number of fighter jets would also be involved in the drill which would for the first time target the Philippines as the enemy, it said.

The incident has sparked public outrage in Taiwan, where hundreds of angry fishermen burned Philippine flags and hurled eggs at Manila’s de facto embassy in Taipei Monday.

Taiwan at the weekend sent four coastguard and naval vessels to protect its fishermen in waters near the Philippines.

US State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki has urged all sides “to refrain from provocative actions” while Philippine President Benigno Aquino called for calm and guaranteed an in-depth investigation into the incident.

The Philippine coastguard has admitted firing at one of four Taiwanese fishing vessels it said had strayed into its waters, allegations denied by the victim’s son who was with his father and two other sailors on the boat at the time.

Taiwan prosecutor Liu Chia-kai described the incident as “nothing but a slaughter”, after examining the boat which he said was hit by more than 50 bullets.

The incident comes at a time of heightened tensions around the region over rival claims to the nearby South China Sea.

China, the Philippines, Taiwan, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei all have competing claims to parts of the sea.-- AFP

Source: The New Straits Times
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Taiwan threatens to hold naval drill near Philippines

TAIPEI: Taiwan stepped up pressure on Manila Tuesday, saying it would conduct a naval drill in waters near the Philippines if Manila did not officially apologise for the killing of a Taiwanese fisherman.

Taiwan has demanded the Philippines apologise by midnight Tuesday (1600  GMT) over the killing of the 65-year-old fisherman by coastguards last week or  face a potential freeze in sending workers to the island.

The defence ministry said the military was prepared to conduct an exercise  in the waters where Hung Shih-cheng of the 15-tonne Guang Ta Hsin 28 was shot  Thursday.

“We’ve prepared ourselves and staging an exercise in the Bashi Channel is  one of the military’s options,” defence ministry spokesman David Lo told AFP.

“Whether or not to conduct the drill would be up to the reaction of the  Philippine government.”    Taiwan has also asked the Philippines to bring to justice the coastguards  responsible and start negotiating a fisheries agreement.

Lo declined to provide details but the state Central News Agency said the  exercise would be held Thursday and involved a Kidd-class destroyer, a  Perry-class frigate and three coastguard frigates.

A number of fighter jets would also be involved in the drill which would  for the first time target the Philippines as the enemy, it said.

The incident has sparked public outrage in Taiwan, where hundreds of angry  fishermen burned Philippine flags and hurled eggs at Manila’s de facto embassy  in Taipei Monday.

Taiwan at the weekend sent four coastguard and naval vessels to protect its  fishermen in waters near the Philippines.

US State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki has urged all sides “to refrain  from provocative actions” while Philippine President Benigno Aquino called for  calm and guaranteed an in-depth investigation into the incident.

The Philippine coastguard has admitted firing at one of four Taiwanese  fishing vessels it said had strayed into its waters, allegations denied by the  victim’s son who was with his father and two other sailors on the boat at the  time.

Taiwan prosecutor Liu Chia-kai described the incident as “nothing but a  slaughter”, after examining the boat which he said was hit by more than 50  bullets.

The incident comes at a time of heightened tensions around the region over  rival claims to the nearby South China Sea.

China, the Philippines, Taiwan, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei all have  competing claims to parts of the sea.-- AFP

Source: The New Straits Times
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question..its just an exercise right? so..why should philippine be scared? unless of course, if taiwan do exercise inside philippine's maritime borders..even so, Pinoy can sent their own navies (although their navy is inferior to Taiwan) to guard the maritime borders..if taiwan still cross it, pinoy have all the rights to engage them..sorry, didn't quite understand politics..
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ May 15 2013, 12:37 AM)
question..its just an exercise right? so..why should philippine be scared? unless of course, if taiwan do exercise inside philippine's maritime borders..even so, Pinoy can sent their own navies (although their navy is inferior to Taiwan) to guard the maritime borders..if taiwan still cross it, pinoy have all the rights to engage them..sorry, didn't quite understand politics..
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Partly to please their citizen's call for hard action
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Just a show of force, nothing concrete or set in stone.
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Taiwan freezes hiring of Philippine workers over death
AFP Updated May 15, 2013, 11:06 am


TAIPEI (AFP) - Taiwan's President Ma Ying-jeou on Wednesday froze the hiring of Philippine workers to express "strong dissatisfaction" over Manila's handling of the killing of a Taiwanese fisherman, his spokeswoman said.

The 65-year-old fisherman was shot dead by Filipino coastguards last week after they said his boat had strayed into Philippine waters.

"President Ma expressed his strong dissatisfaction over the Philippines' lack of sincerity and its shifting attitude," Lee Chia-fei told reporters, adding that Ma had decided to recall Taipei's envoy to Manila.

Antonio Basilio, the Philippines' de facto ambassador, had also been asked to return to Manila to "help properly handle" the case, she said.

Lee reiterated Ma's demands that Manila issue a "formal apology," compensate the victim's family, apprehend the killer and start fishing talks between the two sides soon.

"If the Philippine government cannot satisfy our side's four demands by 6:00 pm (1000 GMT) today, our government will adopt a second wave of sanctions," Lee said.

Taipei made the decision despite an apology by Basilio after a closed-door meeting with Foreign Minister David Lin on Tuesday.

The Philippines will send special envoy Amadeo Perez to repeat his "deep regret and apology from the people of the Philippines" to the people of Taiwan and the fisherman's family, according to Basilio.

However, Taiwan's Premier Jiang Yi-huah said it was unacceptable that the apology comes from the "people of the Philippines" rather than the government as it was the coastguard that shot the fisherman.

Perez is chairman of the Manila Economic and Cultural Office (MECO) that represents the Philippines' interest in Taiwan.

The incident sparked outrage in Taiwan and comes at a time of heightened tensions around the region over rival claims to the nearby South China Sea.
Taiwan has threatened to conduct a naval exercise in waters near the Philippines.
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question..its just an exercise right? so..why should philippine be scared? unless of course, if taiwan do exercise inside philippine's maritime borders..even so, Pinoy can sent their own navies (although their navy is inferior to Taiwan) to guard the maritime borders..if taiwan still cross it, pinoy have all the rights to engage them..sorry, didn't quite understand politics..
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It's an area of overlapping claims by both Taiwan and Philippines. Pinoy claims that fishermen inside their waters so if Taiwan stage a drill there, then pinoypride butthurt. If they intervene, then they eat Harpoon. tongue.gif
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Taiwan freezes hiring of Philippine workers over death
AFP Updated May 15, 2013, 11:06 am
TAIPEI (AFP) - Taiwan's President Ma Ying-jeou on Wednesday froze the hiring of Philippine workers to express "strong dissatisfaction" over Manila's handling of the killing of a Taiwanese fisherman, his spokeswoman said.

The 65-year-old fisherman was shot dead by Filipino coastguards last week after they said his boat had strayed into Philippine waters.

"President Ma expressed his strong dissatisfaction over the Philippines' lack of sincerity and its shifting attitude," Lee Chia-fei told reporters, adding that Ma had decided to recall Taipei's envoy to Manila.

Antonio Basilio, the Philippines' de facto ambassador, had also been asked to return to Manila to "help properly handle" the case, she said.

Lee reiterated Ma's demands that Manila issue a "formal apology," compensate the victim's family, apprehend the killer and start fishing talks between the two sides soon.

"If the Philippine government cannot satisfy our side's four demands by 6:00 pm (1000 GMT) today, our government will adopt a second wave of sanctions," Lee said.

Taipei made the decision despite an apology by Basilio after a closed-door meeting with Foreign Minister David Lin on Tuesday.

The Philippines will send special envoy Amadeo Perez to repeat his "deep regret and apology from the people of the Philippines" to the people of Taiwan and the fisherman's family, according to Basilio.

However, Taiwan's Premier Jiang Yi-huah said it was unacceptable that the apology comes from the "people of the Philippines" rather than the government as it was the coastguard that shot the fisherman.

Perez is chairman of the Manila Economic and Cultural Office (MECO) that represents the Philippines' interest in Taiwan.

The incident sparked outrage in Taiwan and comes at a time of heightened tensions around the region over rival claims to the nearby South China Sea.
Taiwan has threatened to conduct a naval exercise in waters near the Philippines.
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Isnt that like hurting their own economy?
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Ban on Filipino workers could take effect May 15: official
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Taipei, May 13 (CNA) Government departments were busy Monday drafting and evaluating punitive measures that could be used against the Philippines over the May 9 shooting of a Taiwanese fisherman, with "a complete ban on Filipino labor" likely to take effect within two days. Unless Taiwan's demands are met by the end of Tuesday, the ban will go into immediate effect, said an official of the Cabinet's Council of Labor Affairs (CLA), calling it "the most severe measure" of its kind.

According to the official, no new applications on behalf of Filipino workers for employment in Taiwan will be processed and those who have obtained permits to work in Taiwan will not be granted a visa if they have not yet entered the country. Those who are required to leave Taiwan after their three-year work permits expire will not be allowed to re-enter as before, said the official, who spoke to reporters on condition of anonymity.

There are about 87,000 Filipino workers in Taiwan, mainly employed in the electronics sector, which is expected to bear the brunt of any ban on Philippine labor. Officials tried to play down any such impact, however, with Economics Minister Chang Chia-Juch saying that migrant workers are available from other sources. The number of Filipino workers in Taiwan is low compared with those from other countries, he added.

As of the end of March, the Philippines was the third-largest source of migrant workers in Taiwan, next to Indonesia with more than 198,000 workers and Vietnam with nearly 102,000.

Meanwhile, two of the main employers of Filipino workers in Taiwan said they will make necessary arrangements in line with the proposed ban. Innolux Corp. and AU Optronics Corp. (AUO), both major manufacturers of LCD panels, said they will comply with the government's policy on hiring foreign workers.

For its part, the Ministry of Economic Affairs said it would postpone or suspend bilateral economic exchanges, including annual vice ministerial talks in July or August and a ministerial meeting scheduled for before the end of the year, said Chang. The Taiwan government made four demands May 11 and gave the Philippine government 72 hours to respond after a fisherman was killed at sea by Philippine law enforcement personnel. Unless the demands are met by midnight May 14, Taiwan will recall its representative to Manila, in addition to imposing the ban on Filipino workers. Taiwan's demands include an official apology, compensation for the victim's family, punishment of those responsible for the death of the fisherman and talks on a bilateral fishery agreement.

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Isnt that like hurting their own economy?
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tak sesakit apa yg Pinoy bakal rasa..haha sad coz pinoy didn't have any subs..can scare off Taiwan's navy that wants to conduct the exercise..torpedo those madafakaz..can spice things up a little..hehe
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Isnt that like hurting their own economy?
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Like the article said.. not too many pinoys in Taiwan and besides, most of the large scale manufacturing already gone to China. Only left smaller lines and companies in Taiwan.


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tak sesakit apa yg Pinoy bakal rasa..haha sad coz pinoy didn't have any subs..can scare off Taiwan's navy that wants to conduct the exercise..torpedo those madafakaz..can spice things up a little..hehe
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Come to think of it... they didn't have much of anything at all except self-esteem issues.

Oh... forgot... they have one thing in abundance... a LOT of claims.

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The 10 percent of Pinoy GDP sent back home consistently year-in and year-out for the past six years from overseas is key to the health of the Philippines economy. That means a considerable portion of the Philippines' economy comes from remittances.

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still no new updates for MRCA, AEW, MPA, LPD program guys?
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For those interested in sniping

DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY
Field Manual
No. 23-10

SNIPER TRAINING

http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1zB8QQ/:T-Em.../23-10/toc.htm/

or

Miscellaneous Firearms Technical and Training Manuals
http://www.biggerhammer.net/manuals/




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i remember reading it would take PLA roughly 3 days or so to defeat TW military and effectively conquer the island.
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just call the 2nd artillery to level the whole island. that's if the politburo goes full retard
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Spratly Islands


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QUOTE(noavatar @ May 15 2013, 03:15 PM)
Spratly Islands
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Critical Area


Taiwan VS China VS Vietnam Vs Pinoy
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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ May 15 2013, 03:26 PM)
Critical Area
Taiwan VS China VS Vietnam Vs Pinoy
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QUOTE(noavatar @ May 15 2013, 03:15 PM)
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vietnam claims a lot of them too..greedy *******..
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Without any intention of disrespect to Philippine people :

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MANILA, Philippines — The Philippines has been named as Time’s “Most STUPID Country to Elect a 20-Year OJT as a Senator”.

“The overwhelming victory of a self-professed on-the-job trainee-cum-Senator in the recently held election in the Philippines cemented the country’s fate,” wrote Time’s news director Marilou C. Martin.

She added, “Falling for the diversionary tactics of an inexperienced candidate that saw her steer the issue away from her credibility to her skin complexion to make herself look like the underdog; gave us no choice but to bestow such title to a country, who was destined for greatness before the elections.”

“And yes, we intentionally all-capped the word stupid for added emphasis,” according to Martin.


Source
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QUOTE(noavatar @ May 15 2013, 04:15 PM)
Without any intention of disrespect to Philippine people :

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MANILA, Philippines — The Philippines has been named as Time’s “Most STUPID Country to Elect a 20-Year OJT as a Senator”.

“The overwhelming victory of a self-professed on-the-job trainee-cum-Senator in the recently held election in the Philippines cemented the country’s fate,” wrote Time’s news director Marilou C. Martin.

She added, “Falling for the diversionary tactics of an inexperienced candidate that saw her steer the issue away from her credibility to her skin complexion to make herself look like the underdog; gave us no choice but to bestow such title to a country, who was destined for greatness before the elections.”

“And yes, we intentionally all-capped the word stupid for added emphasis,” according to Martin.
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lel, tu satirical news web, macam the onion
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and here she is (the Senator referred to in the TIME magazine):

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Without any intention of disrespect to Philippine people :

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MANILA, Philippines — The Philippines has been named as Time’s “Most STUPID Country to Elect a 20-Year OJT as a Senator”.

“The overwhelming victory of a self-professed on-the-job trainee-cum-Senator in the recently held election in the Philippines cemented the country’s fate,” wrote Time’s news director Marilou C. Martin.

She added, “Falling for the diversionary tactics of an inexperienced candidate that saw her steer the issue away from her credibility to her skin complexion to make herself look like the underdog; gave us no choice but to bestow such title to a country, who was destined for greatness before the elections.”

“And yes, we intentionally all-capped the word stupid for added emphasis,” according to Martin.
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That is the real time magazine publishing??
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That is the real time magazine publishing??
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ID the following planes....top to bottom


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ID the following planes....top to bottom
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Not very sure, but here it goes:

P51 lightning

F4 Phantom jet

A10 jet (forget the name)

F22 raptor

Correct? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Quantum_thinking @ May 15 2013, 04:37 PM)
Not very sure, but here it goes:

P51 lightning

F4 Phantom jet

A10 jet (forget the name)

F22 raptor

Correct? tongue.gif
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P-51 Mustang,
F-4 Phantom,
A-10 Warthog,
F-22 Raptor
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QUOTE(noavatar @ May 15 2013, 04:15 PM)
Without any intention of disrespect to Philippine people :

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MANILA, Philippines — The Philippines has been named as Time’s “Most STUPID Country to Elect a 20-Year OJT as a Senator”.

“The overwhelming victory of a self-professed on-the-job trainee-cum-Senator in the recently held election in the Philippines cemented the country’s fate,” wrote Time’s news director Marilou C. Martin.

She added, “Falling for the diversionary tactics of an inexperienced candidate that saw her steer the issue away from her credibility to her skin complexion to make herself look like the underdog; gave us no choice but to bestow such title to a country, who was destined for greatness before the elections.”

“And yes, we intentionally all-capped the word stupid for added emphasis,” according to Martin.
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Ooooo~ burnnn~~ apply cold water to the burned area.. biggrin.gif
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and here she is :
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Azerbaijan Toyota Hilux Conversion

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Azerbaijan introduced the special operations forces and law enforcement patrol vehicle called the “Gyurza” at the International Defence Exhibition IDEF-2013 in Istanbul.

“Gyurza” made on the basis of the 12-th model Toyota Hilux, a 4×4 all-wheel drive and is able to afford to carry 2500 kg of cargo. At the top of the machine is one machine gun 12.7 mm caliber, capable of hitting the target, rotating 360 degrees and fire at an angle of 45 degrees. On each side there are 2 machine gun 7.62 mm with a great capacity. Armament car can also recharge automatic grenade launcher and other means. The machine is equipped with a powerful motor-road – 114 horsepower.

The crew are 5 people including the driver and commander.
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ May 15 2013, 05:11 PM)
Who is she again?
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