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post May 6 2013, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ May 6 2013, 07:30 AM)
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p/s: any indon members can id the missile at the background. terima kaseh
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Cesar, astros, and RM grad.. terima kasih kembali smile.gif

QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ May 6 2013, 07:36 AM)
pemilu sudah mahu dekat. lain negri lain caranya memikat rakyat

di malaysia semua mahukan aman. di indon semua mahukan perang
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tak ada sebab indo mahukan perang.. indo relationship with SEA nations and aussie quite good right now, about politics.. i guess our goverment wont use threat from other country as an issue.. our goverment and all parti use corruption as an issue now..

QUOTE(cks2k2 @ May 6 2013, 08:00 AM)
quality >>>>>> quantity

Ozzies: it's on, motherf*cker.
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Quantity has it own quality.. i think the most important think is semangat juang, moral and mentaly.. hi tech tools just for support..
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post May 7 2013, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(heavyduty @ May 6 2013, 11:29 PM)
crossing the ocean is one thing,TNI doesn't have the means to sustain an expeditionary force.plus they would get owned by the RAAF and RAN before they even reach Australia

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TNI nak ke australia? wat for blink.gif
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post May 13 2013, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(xtemujin @ May 13 2013, 07:05 PM)
Just some photos to share of what to expect for this weekend, 2013 Republic of Singapore Navy Open House, Changi Naval Base, Singapore.

http://xtemujin.wordpress.com/2013/05/12/2...base-singapore/
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honestly.. always admire how advance and modern military stuff in singapore. great job bro smile.gif
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post May 18 2013, 02:25 AM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ May 17 2013, 10:11 PM)
apaches is on hold.
They might go for viper/cobra instead.

they indeed spending like a boss.
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the apache on progress.. along with other procurement, news in the next few month
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post May 20 2013, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ May 20 2013, 03:22 PM)
Indon first, meedot mesti bangga
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bangga pasti ada.. semua warga negara harus bangga dengan military mereka, kalau tak bangga kasian ngan tentera mereka, jadi kurang semangat.. tapi yang penting bangga tak perlu berlebihan, Semoga ATM could be better in the next match, amin
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post Jun 10 2013, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(noavatar @ Jun 10 2013, 08:41 PM)
They like to publicise their procurement...whereas our military have purchased many assets which outside world don't even know
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indo need to publish almost every deal, cause that's about resposibility for the peoples now, or media, pengkritik or opposition will bash and attacking the govt policy. maybe in the past we didnt know what deals govt has made cause limit on media like internet.. in this time it's hard to hide military procurement because of the internet if u, if u have right keyword, u can find almost everything on google, for an example jane defence or SIPRI, almost every procurement or plan u can find there, even in details deal, buy military tools need big money, if country spend money with no reason, it will be a weapon for opposition. for some seller, when some country need their tools, they need to get permission from the parliament and their citizen (like US), if not, it will be a lot of protest then.. maybe we can hide for some procurement, but not all, especially big deal which is need a lot of money, maybe goverment can hide from their peoples, but maybe not for some of their military enthusiast... smile.gif
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post Jun 10 2013, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(noavatar @ Jun 10 2013, 09:22 PM)
Secretive items would be mostly for....Intelligence, Surveillance, Target Acquisition, and Reconnaissance....SIGINT,ELINT,ESM,ECM,ECCM....I think fair enough for national security
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agree with u.. like when some country buy some jet or submarine, maybe we can find how much they will buy on the news and internet, but hard or impossible to find what the system they want to use on that..
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post Jun 11 2013, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(noavatar @ Jun 10 2013, 10:40 PM)
From what I know...the Koreans put on hold their joint development with the Indons...but now they are still going ahead with their own KF-X program...in fact just recently EADS stated that if South Korea selects its Eurofighter Typhoon as the winner of the K-X program, they will invest $2 billion into program.....it's like KFX yes....IFX no
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first.. from what i know, KFX and IFX is same program, first korean want to built KFX and asking if indo would join that program and turki as well, later turki resign and i hear they make their own fighter program called TFX and got help from sweden (gripen), but indo still join with 80%-20% share (like 150 plane for korea and 50 plane for indo). but beside KFX, korea has FX III program too, so KFX for medium fighter and FX III for heavy fighter (F 35/F15 SE maybe). with the tension increase in the region with north korea, SK need ready fighter just prepare for the worst with NK, so, they need to advance the FX III program, because if they expecting from KFX program, they must wait 2020 - 2024, its too long.. and that KFX program got the effect. cause some of SK fund KFX being transferred into FX III.. second, the changing of SK goverment and parliament has some effect too, need to ask new funding on the new goverment. the letter about postponing the KFX program has send to indo goverment officialy, and they need to postpone like 1-1,5 year because of FX III program.. in relation with FX III program, SK ask for ToT on FX III program, and they hope they can apply some of the technology to KFX program. now the FX III program on progress, eurofighter, and US company has offer SK for their fighter, but i dont know what SK will take. contract has been made, if one of the country leave the contract without good reason, then they must be ready pay some penalties fee.. when korean got their 150 fighter and indo got their 50 fighter, the the next upgrade will depend on each country needs..
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post Jun 11 2013, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jun 11 2013, 07:03 PM)
Oo shiny new stuff for tni  nod.gif
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personally i dont like it, quote for some /k/ member, seems like milo tin.. vmad.gif but tarantula contract made before Pindad can make Anoa 6x6, i dont know why TNI wont cancel it.. lol laugh.gif
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post Jun 16 2013, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Jun 16 2013, 08:11 PM)

PH plans to tap Israel for missile launchers
sorry and no offense, is this wet dream again? with their military budget now? UAV, fregat, fighters, u name it.. even principe de asturias? pinoy should stick to one procurement and try to make it happen first rclxub.gif
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post Jun 29 2013, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Jun 29 2013, 09:26 PM)
i find their procurement of leos and apaches a bit strange.
given their geographical layout (lots of islands and stretched out) they should put priority on navy/marine/coastal defense.

leos limited use in rural areas; apaches are effectively tank-killers - but kill what?
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u confused? no wonder cause im confused also rclxub.gif

not about leo's or apache.. but about all procurement in here.. like no plan at all, not like malaysian procurement.. seems like straight on plan and well planed..


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post Jun 30 2013, 01:07 AM

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post Aug 4 2013, 08:59 PM

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Pentagon considers canceling F-35 program

Leaked documents from a Pentagon budget review suggest that the agency is tired of its costly F-35 fighter jets, and has thoughts about canceling the $391.2 billion program that has already expanded into 10 foreign countries.

Pentagon officials held a briefing on Wednesday in which they mapped out ways to manage the $500 billion in automated budget cuts required over the next decade. A slideshow laid out a number of suggestions and exposed the Pentagon’s frustration with its F-35 jets, which are designed and manufactured by Lockheed Martin Corp. based out of Bethesda, Md. The agency also suggested scrapping plans for a new stealthy, long-range bomber, attendees of the briefing told Reuters.

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel spoke to reporters on Wednesday and indicated that the Pentagon might have to decide between a “much smaller force” and a decade-long “holiday” from modernizing weapons systems and technology.

Pentagon briefing slides indicated that a decision to maintain a larger military “could result in the cancellation of the $392 billion Lockheed Martin Corp F-35 program and a new stealthy, long-range bomber,” Reuters reports.

When officials familiar with the budget review leaked the news about the F-35s, the agency tried to downplay its alleged intentions.

The F-35 program is the Pentagon’s most expensive weapon system. A fleet of 2,443 aircraft has an estimated price tag of $391.2 billion, which is up 68 percent from the projected costs measured in 2001. Earlier this year, Air Force Lieutenant General Christopher Bogdan, the F-35 program manager, condemned the manufacturer for “trying to squeeze every nickel” out of the Department of Defense.

Although the warplane is the most expensive combat aircraft in history, its quality is lacking. In February, the US military grounded an entire fleet of F-35 Joint Strike Fighters because of a crack found on a turbine blade on one of the jets, marking the fourth time that a fleet was grounded because of manufacturing problems. In April, Bogdan told a Senate committee that he doubted the planes could withstand a sophisticated cyberattack.

But before the sequestration took effect this year, the Pentagon secured several contracts with Lockheed Martin to ensure the continued production and maintenance of the costly F-35s. This week, the Defense Department struck another deal with the company to produce 71 more jet fighters, claiming the costs per aircraft have been reduced by about 4 percent – an insignificant reduction when compared to the 68 percent price increase that has occurred since 2001.

After news broke of the Pentagon’s prospect to cancel the program, officials tried to control the damage of such an alarming statement that runs counter to the claims they publicly make.

“We have gone to great lengths to stress that this review identified, through a rigorous process of strategic modeling, possible decisions we might face, under scenarios we may or may not face in the future,” Pentagon Spokesman George Little told Reuters in an email when asked about the slides. “Any suggestion that we’re now moving away from key modernization programs as a result of yesterday’s discussion of the outcomes of the review would be incorrect.”

An unnamed defense official familiar with the briefing told Reuters that the leaked budget document indicated possibilities for a worst-case scenario. He admitted that the Pentagon considered scrapping the program, but said it was unlikely, since “cancelling the program would be detrimental to our national defense.”

Regardless of the Pentagon’s intent, Congress is responsible for authorizing Department of Defense spending, and has often forced the agency to make costly and unnecessary weapons purchases.

Last year, US Army Chief of Staff Gen. Ray Odierno said that the US has no need for new tanks. But even though senior Army officials have repeatedly stated that there is no need to spend half a billion dollars in taxpayer funds on new 70-ton Abrams tanks, lawmakers from both parties have pushed the Pentagon to accept the useless purchases.

Earlier this year, an investigation revealed that lobbying efforts by Northrop Grumman have kept a costly Global Hawk drone flying, despite the Pentagon’s attempt to end the project. A defense authorization bill passed by Congress requires the Air Force to keep flying its Block 30 Global Hawks through at least 2014, which costs taxpayers $260 million per year.

The US spends more money on defense than any other nation, but lawmakers from both parties often insist that the agency continue to buy tanks and keep ships and planes it no longer needs. Although the Pentagon has expressed its frustration with the costly F-35 fighter jets, there is little the agency can do without congressional support.

http://www.defencetalk.com/pentagon-consid.../#ixzz2b0M1eRQf

fyuuuhhh... even with a lot of expert..

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post Aug 6 2013, 09:56 PM

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Aerial photographs taken from a plane flying over the Shanghai's Jiangnan Changxing shipbuilding base in which 5 Type 052C Guided Missile Destroyers / Type 052D Guided Missile Destroyers are being built.

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http://chinesemilitaryreview.blogspot.com/...oyer-under.html

bloody cow.. we built one fregate need years.. china built 5 destroyers at the same time.. shocking.gif rclxub.gif vmad.gif mad.gif cry.gif
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post Aug 6 2013, 10:53 PM

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Happy Aidil Fitri to all Malaysian forumer.. mohon maaf lahir dan batin jika ada salah kata dan tulis biggrin.gif


the ship is ready.. its time for me balik kampuuuuunnng... rclxm9.gif

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post Aug 9 2013, 07:55 PM

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chance for Japan to export their military hardware become reality now.. even some country have a chance to join in their military productions..

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http://mobile.reuters.com/article/technolo...E96U0E420130731

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/japan-defense-rev...h.gtVeY9Hz.dpuf

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post Aug 16 2013, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Aug 16 2013, 02:46 PM)
Serious? at that price, fuuuu
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the parliament approving budget 3,1 trillion rupiah = aprox USD 310 million for 8 hellos.. appear on other indo newspaper

edit for news in bahasa indonesia :

Indonesia-Amerika Susun Kontrak Jual-Beli Apache

TEMPO.CO, Jakarta - Kementerian Pertahanan membenarkan kepastian pembelian delapan unit helikopter serang canggih AH-64-D Apache Longbow dari Amerika Serikat. Saat ini Indonesia dan Amerika Serikat sedang menyusun kontrak jual-beli helikopter ini.

"Sedang dalam pembicaraan intensif oleh kedua negara," kata Kepala Badan Sarana Pertahanan, Laksamana Muda Rachmad Lubis, saat dihubungi Tempo, Jumat, 16 Agustus 2013.

Materi pembicaraan kontrak, dia melanjutkan, antara lain harga kedelapan helikopter dan skema pembayaran. Termasuk soal pembayaran uang muka sebagai tanda jadi jual-beli.

Soal berapa biaya yang dikeluarkan pemerintah untuk membeli delapan unit Apache, Rachmad memilih bungkam. Begitu pula soal uang muka yang sudah disiapkan pemerintah. "Prinsip uang muka dibayarkan setelah kontrak berlaku efektif," kata dia.

Kemarin, Kepala Staf Angkatan Darat Jenderal Moeldoko mememastikan pembelian delapan unit helikopter Apache Longbow dari Amerika Serikat. Sesuai rencana, kedelapan helikopter akan diterima Indonesia secara bertahap mulai tahun 2018 hingga 2021.

Komisi Pertahanan DPR akhirnya merestui pembelian helikopter ini. Padahal sebelumnya, DPR bersikukuh menolak pembelian dengan alasan harga Apache yang terlalu mahal.

Wakil Komisi Pertahanan Tubagus Hasanuddin, salah satu anggota dewan yang sebelumnya menolak Apache, mengatakan parlemen akan membicarakan pengajuan anggaran ini pada rapat Rancangan Anggaran Pendapatan dan Belanja Negara tahun 2014. "Harganya sekitar Rp 3,1 triliun, nanti kami alokasikan," kata dia.
INDRA WIJAYA

http://www.tempo.co/read/news/2013/08/16/0...ual-Beli-Apache

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post Aug 25 2013, 01:50 AM

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Vietnam to order Dutch corvettes

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Vietnam is to order two type 9814 Sigma-class from Damen Schelde, the company has confirmed to IHS Jane's. Moroccan type 9813 Sigma corvette Allal Ben Abdellah pictured. (DCNS)


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DSNS has "reached an agreement in the negotiations for the delivery of two Sigma-class corvettes, Type 9814, to the Vietnamese Navy," the company stated.

Other sources say an official signing-ceremony is expected "sometime later this year". The value of the deal reportedly could reach EUR500 million (USD668 million), with the Dutch authorities partly responsible for funding the deal. No details have been officially divulged on the building programme, or its timeline, but it seems logical that one of the vessels will be built by DSNS in the Netherlands and the other in Vietnam, where Damen owns five commercial shipyards and is developing a sixth in Haiphong.


http://www.janes.com/article/26167/vietnam...dutch-corvettes


and confirm by the ducth

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Dutch Defence Minister Jeanine Hennis-Plasschaer (left) welcomed Vietnamese Defence Minister General Phung Quang Thanh in Amsterdam August 19, 2013 (Photo:qdnd.vn)

http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2013/08/22/nederl...n-voor-vietnam/
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post Aug 31 2013, 09:39 PM

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Happy Independence Day to all malaysian !!! rclxms.gif

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Hope in the future South East Asia become one of the best army in the world and peoples always live in peaceful and harmony thumbup.gif
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post Sep 4 2013, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(menj @ Sep 4 2013, 07:55 PM)
I like the knife. Is this guy still around?

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Kopassus form in 26 Desember 1986, how those soldier get knife with "kopassus" word in 1966? and kopassus never use that kind of knife since they form, u can check at google

its not a problem for us with the fact that some RPKAD member had indeed fallen during the conflict in Kalimantan in the 60's. Soldiers fallen in battle, nothing really embarrassing to it, cause kopassus still made from flesh and blood. but, making heroic story upon a modern dagger with word Kopassus in 60's its just hilarious smile.gif

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