wait wait..
aes oso catch biker?

Every time there is a news report on an accident, this phrase is always mentioned "dipercayai dipandu laju". Why must speed be associated with dangerous driving?

In Germany, there are some stretches on the Autobahn where there is not speed limit and people there are legally driving way faster than we are used to here. I have a german driving license and I have been driving in Germany at speed in excess of 180kmh without getting any summon. Here even at 130kmh, you will get a summon just because some people think that 130kmh is considered dangerous compared to 110kmh.

how well is the average german driving skills as compared to here?
how well is their driving courses compared to here?

that will answer your questions...


P/S - do you get my points earlier?

don't think so.
speed away.
bikes got no money to pay summon anyway.
so not targeted.
nobody cares

Just a rumour I heard, they say the majority of red light offenders caught by AES are motorcyclists.

Looks like you don't get your own point. If the driving skill is the root cause of the problem, will it be solved by having a low speed limit? Like I said before, the focus on speed limit won't solve our problem.

How do you improve the driving skills? Is it by making the driving test easier through auto only driving test and let more people on the road? Why don't they revamp the driving schools and the driving test? Proper education system will also change the drivers' attitude.

You said before that speed limit is the easiest thing to enforce but is it the right thing to focus on to "make our road safer"? Just look at the statistics to see where the focus should be, if motorcyclists are the most vulnerable group, solve the problem directly. Mandate the usage of protective gears, increase the number of motorcycle lanes and ensure that motorcycles are in good working condition.

I ride my bike daily to work and often I came across road blocks by police and JPJ. In this road blocks, they would never check whether the tyres are still good, whether the brakes are working, the helmets meet the safety standards and the lights are working. They would be more interested to see whether the road tax & license are expired or not, the number plates are according to the regulation or not, the exhaust is modified or not. Even people riding their bikes wearing shorts and selipar jepun won't be a problem for them.

Please don't fool yourself by believing that the speed limit enforcement is to make our road safer. Like people have said before, if they want to make our road safer, why do they always do the speed traps at a straight and wide downhill road with low speed limit? Please show us the data on these so called "black spots", how many accidents have happened there?

I would not be surprised. They don't stop for anything be it coming out of side road or traffic light. Many acted as though they owned the road.

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Added on October 24, 2012, 12:46 pmSure there are many factors contributing to accident but speed is one of the big factor. Heard accident in overseas using camera almost halved with camera. Nobody can deny camera is not effective and like Consumer Association of Penang said, anyone who oppose AES is being being irresponsible. And there are several irresponsible politician around so no need to vote for them.



This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Oct 24 2012, 12:46 PM

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For steady drive, I'll lift the pedal at 2.5 - 2km mark (You should see the 2km board before you reach that board) and start to move left.
Ensure 1km mark the speed is already at 90 or 110.

For spirited drive, taruh until 1km mark, brake hard.

Show me the data showing that speed is one big factor? Who is capable to say what speed is safe and what speed is dangerous? Doing 100kmh on the highway with 110kmh speed limit is safe but not on a highway with 80kmh speed limit eventhough the 110kmh highway is only two lanes but 80kmh highway is three lanes?

In oversea countries, maybe the camera can contribute to the reduction of road accidents but you need to see deeper on how it is implemented. I am not against the traffic light cameras as these will greatly reduce the number of accidents there. However, I doubt that in oversea countries, the speed camera is installed at locations such as downhill, wide and straight road where there is less chance of accident but more chance of people being caught off guard. It is normal in overseas to see cameras installed at areas where the traffics are merging and pose higher danger when you are speeding.

This post has been edited by alg7_munif: Oct 24 2012, 01:54 PM

Speed by itself is not a big problem. But speeding above the designated speed aka speeding does and AES is designed primarily to tackle speeding. Everybody know speeding does create more accident and more fatal accident.

I've asked you before to show me the data to show that speed is a big factor on road accidents. I can bet you that if you look around you, ask your friends and family, you will notice that most of the damage on the cars around you are not caused by high speed accidents but mostly are involved in a low speed accident where the traffic flows are high. Even on the MRR2, a lot of accidents happened at speed below the speed limit due to the high traffic flows. The traffic there will suddenly stop at certain areas and even you are driving at 70kmh, you can get into trouble if you are caught off guard.

I can guarantee you that there are more cars on the road in Germany, the average speed there is also way higher than the average speed here but the number of accidents and fatal accidents there are much lower than in Malaysia. The big difference is not how fast they drive but actually where and when they need to slow down.

I am not advocating people to speed all the way but I am against putting a blanket speed limit for all cars, at all locations and at all times. I am also totally against the use of speed camera in places where the sole purpose is not to educate people but instead the locations selected are places where they can get most people on camera without actually increasing the safety of our road.

They said that the AES will be installed at black spots but so far what I have seen, the cameras are really not installed at accident prone areas. Why don't they just publish the data on how many accidents have happened at the locations they said are the black spots? Then people can see how effective is the system in reducing the accidents in that particular area as well as how the system can lower the accident numbers for the whole country.

This post has been edited by alg7_munif: Oct 24 2012, 03:22 PM

This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Oct 24 2012, 03:24 PM

One of the pilot location for the speed camera is at SKVE, near Shell and I live near there for a few years already. I use the road daily and have never encountered a single accident at the straight stretch of road where the speed limit is 80 kmh and it is a 3 lanes highway. Until now I fail to understand why this location is considered a black spot. Another location is in Putrajaya, 3 lanes road, speed limit is 70 kmh. Not sure how many fatal accidents have happened there.

The locations are openly displayed but how about the data on the accidents at those locations?

Are there a lot of people doing speeding there?

After reading a few post by alg7_munif, to be honest, our thinking are the same.

Yes, of course they implemented AES with the goal of reducing accidents, but the thing is, is reducing accidents their primary objective? If so, then as you said, install it in REAL accident prone areas with proper statistics to back it up instead of wasting the resources and installing it in areas with wide & straight roads.

But then again, if they are really putting our safety first, then a lot other people will get poorer, tow trucks guys will have less business, auto garage/paint shop etc will suffer a business loss, then spare-parts suppliers will have a dip in order and so on and on. But ultimately, a certain 'group' stand higher chance of losing out more.

I'm tired with all this speed thing, until today, I believe driving alert is always and forever more important then driving slow. Try driving at 50km/h, if the front vehicle e-brakes and you are not alert, you will be get a good wake up call.

Sometimes I wonder, have the people who says driving slow/obey the speed limit ever drive at those wide, straight, downhill roads before. Lets not go and say driving it in a BMW etc, if you were to drive an Inspira/Preve at those road, it will be tortures to drive at 70km/h.

I think you need to take a few factors into consideration when comparing Germans with Malaysians:

1) Driver's expertise
2) Drivers ethics
3) Respect for the law and road signages
4) Type of cars
5) Road conditions
6) Enforcement

If you look at these 6 factors, ull easily see why we cant actually increase speed limits on roads in Malaysia. The NSE could probably be raised to 130kmph max but thats about it. But other roads need to be re-evaluated to administer the correct speed limits.

many of us rage because of the point above. JPJ team had been saying its to reduce accidents, but then again, many camera had been installed where the accident rate had been marginal or nil. Worse still even places like 30 or 50kmh along the downslope; its its really accident prone area, then we are fine, we would give a go.

But how to maneuver the at that speed on a downhill, tak tekan minyak pun dah lebih dari speed limit, hence ALL of us need to continuesly break and that would cause accident as well

tak masuk akal langsung lah.

I think you missed the point, what I want to point out is: current focus on the enforcement of speed limit is not the way forward if you want to make our road safer, especially not when the enforcement is done at places which are not accident prone areas but instead the locations selected are where they can make most money out of the system.

They should be focusing on other things if they really want to make our road safer. All of your 6 factors won't be solved with a blanket speed limit enforcement. Revamp the education system and the driving test, make annual inspection for cars above 5 years old as mandatory, put a crash test requirement for new cars which will force manufacturers to put airbags, VSC and other safety features to their cars, mandate protective gears for motorcyclists & etc.

If they really do the speed limit enforcement at accident prone areas, I don't mind seeing people driving a brand new Porsche be limited to the same speed as someone who is driving a Kancil since the area itself is dangerous. However if they are enforcing the speed limit at a clear, straight and wide 3 lanes highway, do you really think that a brand new Porsche driving at 130kmh is more dangerous as a 7 years old Kancil doing 110kmh?

Gotta love that.

its quite true but then some people never use their senses or brains.

i've seen shitty old junks flying about all the time.