70kmh speed limit for 3lane road, wtf..
the AES flashed me the other day, maybe still in testing because i was driving below 70..

Just a rumour I heard, they say the majority of red light offenders caught by AES are motorcyclists.

Looks like you don't get your own point. If the driving skill is the root cause of the problem, will it be solved by having a low speed limit? Like I said before, the focus on speed limit won't solve our problem.

Show me the data showing that speed is one big factor? Who is capable to say what speed is safe and what speed is dangerous? Doing 100kmh on the highway with 110kmh speed limit is safe but not on a highway with 80kmh speed limit eventhough the 110kmh highway is only two lanes but 80kmh highway is three lanes?

In oversea countries, maybe the camera can contribute to the reduction of road accidents but you need to see deeper on how it is implemented. I am not against the traffic light cameras as these will greatly reduce the number of accidents there. However, I doubt that in oversea countries, the speed camera is installed at locations such as downhill, wide and straight road where there is less chance of accident but more chance of people being caught off guard. It is normal in overseas to see cameras installed at areas where the traffics are merging and pose higher danger when you are speeding.

I can guarantee you that there are more cars on the road in Germany, the average speed there is also way higher than the average speed here but the number of accidents and fatal accidents there are much lower than in Malaysia. The big difference is not how fast they drive but actually where and when they need to slow down.

What is the speed limit in Germany? Are they higher than Malaysia? If yes, the average speed in Germany will of course be higher than Malaysia. I am talking about speeding above the speed limit.



I am not advocating people to speed all the way but I am against putting a blanket speed limit for all cars, at all locations and at all times. I am also totally against the use of speed camera in places where the sole purpose is not to educate people but instead the locations selected are places where they can get most people on camera without actually increasing the safety of our road.

So you saying we should have different speed limit for different type of cars? AFAIK, the location of those camera are placed at places having lots of accident. So if not these location, where then?

They said that the AES will be installed at black spots but so far what I have seen, the cameras are really not installed at accident prone areas. Why don't they just publish the data on how many accidents have happened at the locations they said are the black spots? Then people can see how effective is the system in reducing the accidents in that particular area as well as how the system can lower the accident numbers for the whole country.

The location of AES camera are openly displayed and listed already.

As to how effective, since Penang refuses to install AES, we wait for 6 months and see whether there is any reduction of accident elsewhere compared to Penang. If AES is not effective, then BN sucking money from Raykat and we vote BN out. If AES is effective, Penang is playing with Raykat's life and we vote DAP out. I think that is a fair trial.

One of the pilot location for the speed camera is at SKVE, near Shell and I live near there for a few years already. I use the road daily and have never encountered a single accident at the straight stretch of road where the speed limit is 80 kmh and it is a 3 lanes highway. Until now I fail to understand why this location is considered a black spot. Another location is in Putrajaya, 3 lanes road, speed limit is 70 kmh. Not sure how many fatal accidents have happened there.

The locations are openly displayed but how about the data on the accidents at those locations?

I think you missed the point, what I want to point out is: current focus on the enforcement of speed limit is not the way forward if you want to make our road safer, especially not when the enforcement is done at places which are not accident prone areas but instead the locations selected are where they can make most money out of the system.

They should be focusing on other things if they really want to make our road safer. All of your 6 factors won't be solved with a blanket speed limit enforcement. Revamp the education system and the driving test, make annual inspection for cars above 5 years old as mandatory, put a crash test requirement for new cars which will force manufacturers to put airbags, VSC and other safety features to their cars, mandate protective gears for motorcyclists & etc.

If they really do the speed limit enforcement at accident prone areas, I don't mind seeing people driving a brand new Porsche be limited to the same speed as someone who is driving a Kancil since the area itself is dangerous. However if they are enforcing the speed limit at a clear, straight and wide 3 lanes highway, do you really think that a brand new Porsche driving at 130kmh is more dangerous as a 7 years old Kancil doing 110kmh?

ahaha ... aes are implemented in other countries with bona fide intentions and warnings, here the aes implementation are questionable ... there is nothing wrong with the gun, the shooter who aims the gun, and what he is pointing at, that is the problem.

Totally agree with the gun analogy, there is nothing wrong with the gun but the reason why the gun needs to be pointed is the most important thing to ask. If the reason is justified, you still need to ensure that the gun is pointed at the right target and at the right time. Not just randomly pointing the gun at a crowd in a shopping mall. Saying that others have successfully pointed a gun before doesn't mean that you will be successful in pointing your gun.

From what I read the politicians are actually asking for the data showing that the locations are indeed accident prone areas which until now there JPJ is still silence about it. The politicions are also questioning the business model of the AES operators which make more money when they issued more summons.

ahaha ... aes are implemented in other countries with bona fide intentions and warnings, here the aes implementation are questionable ... there is nothing wrong with the gun, the shooter who aims the gun, and what he is pointing at, that is the problem.

Some people would just believe what is told to them instead of thinking it through and make their own judgement. Can't blame on them since the media keeps on showing the same thing over and over again. Every accident news will be associated with speeding, regardless whether a motorcyclist was ran over by a lorry or a bus going downhill went head on with the toll plaza.

Same thing about AES, everyday in the news it is said that the system is to educate people, the system is to make our road safer, the system is installed at black spots and etc. But when they were asked about the data showing the locations are indeed black spots, they are silent about it. Smart people will observe and question the validity of the claims but others would just accept what is told to them by the media. They would just accept a simple explaination saying other countries have successfully implemented the system without digging deeper on how those countries implemented it in the first place.

Have you seen any accident there before? A lot of people going over the speed limit is one thing but black spots are not supposed to be places where people normally go over the speed limit but instead places where people normally involved with accidents due to whatever reason there is and a lower speed limit will slow down the traffic in that area.

By your own definition, those who argue for "speed kills" will similarly say that any beam of light will kill anything in its path since the speed of light is the fastest thing currently known to man. Can you just disregard the conditions like the intensity of the light, which wave length and etc. to make a claim that anything at high speed is dangerous?

So now you want to talk about the conditions related to the high speed, not just the speed alone?

Conditions:
1) You fall down. Which situation is more likely to make you fall, you are walking in the woods or you are running on a football field? So is it ok to let people run in the woods while they are only allowed to walk on the footbal field?

2) Greater injury, which situation can results in a greater injury, falling down while walking on a tarmac or falling down while running on the beach?

Whether current AES speed limit implementation at current locations can make our road safer. Most people reported that the cameras are installed at straight and wide roads with low speed limit.

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Added on October 27, 2012, 12:25 pm
Assuming that people will eventually fall down on the football field regardless whether they are walking or running, running on the football field must be prohibited since they can sustain greater injury if they fall down while running compared to just walking.

No flash means no capture?
passed by slim river aes cam ard 120km/hr but no flash

dude, u keep running around towards your own goal....
there is a bigger picture that you cant see if you are 1 feet away, take a few steps back and you can see clearer...

once u go over the specified speed limit, u are a law breaker...

so yes, most (if not all) of the drivers are law breakers here...

the way malaysians like you drives on the road... what is the different between that and a cowboy country?

what speed limit implementation is there to argue about?
the speed limit for the implemented stretch has been around even before the AES camera is deployed... but people do not follow the displayed speed limit...
so now when the same stretch has camera deployed... hah... baru la nak bising...

cold hard facts about AES detector app?
go ahead, like i care how many apps are there out there for AES...
even if u are using one, its none of my business anyway...
i break the law, i pay... end of story... don't want to pay, follow the law la...
what is so hard about this that most malaysians like you cant seem to understand?

Speed won't kill...  Momentum does...

a good news for those stay in pakatan-led states

http://paultan.org/2012/10/30/no-aes-imple...states-for-now/

LOL!!! People have been living without AES system for how many years already? Suddenly when the state government wants to delay the implementation for a more thorough study, these people need to be prepared to die?