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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Bye Dirk Kuyt!

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hfi
post May 14 2012, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ May 14 2012, 09:59 PM)
I for one think that Stuart Downing would be the one benefit the most.  laugh.gif Speaking of Carroll though, do you think he would make it into Rafa's team? He favours his 5-4-1 formation and rarely plays 2 upfront. There's a good chance that Suarez will be shifted to the right.

Well I know what you're saying about Rafa. I was a staunch supporter of Rafa, still am. But even so, I'm still unsure if he's able to crack the Premier League code.

Having that said, IMO it's highly unlikely that Rafa will be called for the job. He doesn't fit FSG's profile as they are looking for a young manager. How about... Cruyff for DOF and Guardiola for manager? brows.gif If only things were that simple.
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There's always that doubt led, even im not 100% sure of Rafa or any other manager for that matter.

With Downing, I'm not sure what Rafa will do with him. I don't think he rates him that highly because he's had the chance to sign him before and he never did. Rafa rates the player's mentality higher than their ability, he would go as far as to sign players with bad rep because even they have strong mentality. The only exception was Babel, but he was more like Rafa's wildcard - as shit as he was, he could still pull off the unexpected.

I don't think Carroll's would be Rafa's first choice to replace Torres but I remember him saying he wanted Keane and Torres up front with Barry to play on the left. That would mean a variation of the 442 formation, which can easily feature both Suarez and Carroll.

I'm all for younger manager but younger manager generally needs more time to develop their ideas. If we sack Kenny now, we will be most certainly not giving the younger managers time to develop their own ideas. This is the dilemma for us right now. But yeah, Cruyff and Pep sounds good. Somehow i feel we will be looking at the Spanish to solve our predicament. Which is why i think Martinez's name is being thrown about. I will not even be surprise if Borrell happens to become our manager one day.
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post May 14 2012, 10:35 PM

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So guys,how is your LYN LFC fantasy standings?

I got 39 out 91 and totalled 1791.Not bad since first time playing it.All these while never had the interest.

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The telegraph has reported KD and SC have flown to Boston to meet up with the owners. The next 24 hours... Let's see how it goes.
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post May 14 2012, 11:18 PM

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The news is all over reporting that KD and SC flew to boston for meeting. Guess we know their fate real soon. SC might stay but I doubt KD's chance after his latest outburst at the owners.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 14 2012, 11:18 PM)
The news is all over reporting that KD and SC flew to boston for meeting. Guess we know their fate real soon. SC might stay but I doubt KD's chance after his latest outburst at the owners.
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QUOTE(SuperDuperFaith @ May 14 2012, 11:03 PM)
The telegraph has reported KD and SC have flown to Boston to meet up with the owners. The next 24 hours... Let's see how it goes.
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They got to fly to Boston? The air ticket ain't cheap.
There is no need to fly if Henry has his decision in mind.
So, I think we'll see King Kenny next season.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 14 2012, 11:52 PM)
They got to fly to Boston? The air ticket ain't cheap.
There is no need to fly if Henry has his decision in mind.
So, I think we'll see King Kenny next season.
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Well, I think two or three thousands quids of air ticket is only like what an average football player earns in less than a day, let alone the football club or Henry. biggrin.gif We might see Kenny going into management team instead of coaching. We'll see though, the media might probably have made a big deal out of it anyway. tongue.gif

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Gary neville just joined England coaching staff lol..a guy with no coaching experience with clubs before can join england coaching staff lol

"Gary has achieved so much in the game as a player with Manchester United and England," said Hodgson. "He has obtained Uefa coaching qualifications and will be tremendously respected by the players because of his vast experience as a player."
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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 15 2012, 05:01 AM)
Gary neville just joined England coaching staff lol..a guy with no coaching experience with clubs before can join england coaching staff lol

"Gary has achieved so much in the game as a player with Manchester United and England," said Hodgson. "He has obtained Uefa coaching qualifications and will be tremendously respected by the players because of his vast experience as a player."
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when his own brother in everton refuses to even acknowledge him. ha ha!
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Rafa Benitez's former assistant Xavi Valero is mulling over the possibility of a return to Anfield, after Fenway Sports Group made him a formal offer to return to the coaching staff.
The highly-rated goalkeeping coach (39) has been out of work since leaving Inter Milan when Rafa Benitez was bombed out after challenging club president Massimo Moratti to 'back him or sack him' in relation to transfer funds.
Valero has continued to work with Benitez as an assistant and like the former Liverpool manager, he continues to reside on Merseyside. 
Meanwhile, newspaper reports tomorrow (Tuesday) will claim that Reds boss Kenny Dalglish wasn't "summoned" to Boston for talks with club owners FSG but that he made the decision himself to fly out there to try and clear up speculation relating to his future before a planned family holiday on Wednesday.
Finally, former Liverpool target Eden Hazard has confirmed that he will be moving to Manchester in the summer. Premier League champions Manchester City are favourites to land him.

Source - http://www.koptalk.co.uk/201205144457/Live...assurances.html
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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 15 2012, 04:01 AM)
Gary neville just joined England coaching staff lol..a guy with no coaching experience with clubs before can join england coaching staff lol

"Gary has achieved so much in the game as a player with Manchester United and England," said Hodgson. "He has obtained Uefa coaching qualifications and will be tremendously respected by the players because of his vast experience as a player."
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To be honest anyone who watches his tactical analysis on Sky Sports you'll be very impressed as well and it really justifies why he deserves a chance. I hated him as a player for obvious reasons but I gain a lot of respect this season after he joined Sky Sports as a pundit. I know it's just ultimately a TV show but he talks more practical and tactical side of football. For example, he spent 15 minutes analysing diving in EPL after Young's incident, such as how defenders' body shape should be and many sensible stuff, basically no 'talk cock' like those sitting on ESPN or even BBC Match of the Day. Last week he analysed England's previous tactical problems on Monday Night Football too. There are a lot more out there, it really shows how much of football knowledge this man has. Plus he's got UEFA coaching qualifications and he knows many of the big players in the squad. So I don't see why not.. Of course only time will justify whether it's a good appointment or not. We can just wish him best of luck. biggrin.gif


Added on May 15, 2012, 8:30 amSomething interesting.. Steve Clarke with the Fenway Group bosses watching baseball in Boston.. I wonder why I don't see Kenny..

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Energizer bunny is rumbling.

the gap between us and Rotterdam is pretty big huh.... 80% pay cut.
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i think the poll at this point of time shows 50 persons saying Kenny is not good enough and should leave.

Perhaps they can come up with some name to replace Kenny.

And asnwer the question of

If the next manager fails in the next season to win anything and fails to qualify for the CL, what will you suggest that FSG do?


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If we get rid of our manager, our legend after one full season The Liverpool Way of giving managers time, patience and full support is pretty much dead.

The words YNWA also becoming meaningless really.



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Added on May 15, 2012, 8:30 amSomething interesting.. Steve Clarke with the Fenway Group bosses watching baseball in Boston.. I wonder why I don't see Kenny..

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See the space next to JHenry? Kenny went to the weewee room......

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just stop buying based on country, buy based on merit. and stop buying so called potential only. pls buy quality


Added on May 15, 2012, 10:36 ambtw i voted: give him another year because everyone deserves a second chance, except roy of course...

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 15 2012, 11:16 AM)
i think the poll at this point of time shows 50 persons saying Kenny is not good enough and should leave.

Perhaps they can come up with some name to replace Kenny.

And asnwer the question of

If the next manager fails in the next season to win anything and fails to qualify for the CL, what will you suggest that FSG do?

Added on May 15, 2012, 10:18 am
See the space next to JHenry?  Kenny went to the weewee room......
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pretty much.

any new manager will ask (or demand) a bigger war crest, then the long awaited new stadium will just fade away.

Dalglish & every liverpool fan are dissapointed with the season (league). He did get it quite right or tick every box but who does at the first full season before those might remind me that mourino was pretty much a messiah like in every club he joined, i think mournino's nett spend is whistling.gif

let KD get a slap on the wrist, we work again.
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 14 2012, 10:30 PM)
There's always that doubt led, even im not 100% sure of Rafa or any other manager for that matter.

With Downing, I'm not sure what Rafa will do with him. I don't think he rates him that highly because he's had the chance to sign him before and he never did. Rafa rates the player's mentality higher than their ability, he would go as far as to sign players with bad rep because even they have strong mentality. The only exception was Babel, but he was more like Rafa's wildcard - as shit as he was, he could still pull off the unexpected.

I don't think Carroll's would be Rafa's first choice to replace Torres but I remember him saying he wanted Keane and Torres up front with Barry to play on the left. That would mean a variation of the 442 formation, which can easily feature both Suarez and Carroll. 

I'm all for younger manager but younger manager generally needs more time to develop their ideas. If we sack Kenny now, we will be most certainly not giving the younger managers time to develop their own ideas. This is the dilemma for us right now. But yeah, Cruyff and Pep sounds good. Somehow i feel we will be looking at the Spanish to solve our predicament. Which is why i think Martinez's name is being thrown about. I will not even be surprise if Borrell happens to become our manager one day.
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There'll always be doubts on any new manager who takes over but Rafa's doubt is backed by the fact that he has managed us for 6 seasons. I, for one would be delighted if he returns, but I won't expect us to be setting the Manchester alarms off in the next few seasons.

You're right about younger managers need more time for development, in fact any manager needs a good amount of time to impose his vision.

Which is why despite having all these discussions, I'm still firm in my opinion that King Kenny should be given another season to turn things around. Many of us here thinks that there's lots of work to be done, which is true but at least he has laid the foundation to build on. In Reina, Agger, Skrtel, Johnson, Enrique, Lucas, Gerrrad, Suarez and Carroll I'd argued that we have pretty decent spine, something we desperately lacked of in the past 2 seasons. Many have forgotten than in Rafa's last season, our team was breaking apart and this was exacerbated by Woy's transfer dealings.
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QUOTE(demio121 @ May 15 2012, 10:09 AM)
Energizer bunny is rumbling.

the gap between us and Rotterdam is pretty big huh.... 80% pay cut.
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Why would kuyt talk to The Sun? If he really did,he should be kicked out of the club.
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QUOTE(demio121 @ May 15 2012, 10:09 AM)
Energizer bunny is rumbling.

the gap between us and Rotterdam is pretty big huh.... 80% pay cut.
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"But this season the manager bought three players who all played in my position."

Who are the 3 players?
I think Henderson is one of them. Bellamy can play in that position too. And Downing?
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bellamy cant play in every match because of his injury...
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ May 15 2012, 10:47 AM)
There'll always be doubts on any new manager who takes over but Rafa's doubt is backed by the fact that he has managed us for 6 seasons. I, for one would be delighted if he returns, but I won't expect us to be setting the Manchester alarms off in the next few seasons.

You're right about younger managers need more time for development, in fact any manager needs a good amount of time to impose his vision.

Which is why despite having all these discussions, I'm still firm in my opinion that King Kenny should be given another season to turn things around. Many of us here thinks that there's lots of work to be done, which is true but at least he has laid the foundation to build on. In Reina, Agger, Skrtel, Johnson, Enrique, Lucas, Gerrrad, Suarez and Carroll I'd argued that we have pretty decent spine, something we desperately lacked of in the past 2 seasons. Many have forgotten than in Rafa's last season, our team was breaking apart and this was exacerbated by Woy's transfer dealings.
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I'm in the same boat. I understand the disappointment some of us felt this season, but i think the team only requires a small adjustment and not a major one.

With Maxi and Kuyt almost certainly leaving us, it means we have to make a move in the transfer window to replace them. A bit of a downer but it's also an opportunity. A chance to replace them with younger, faster and more technical players. If we can inject a bit of youth and hunger in this team, i think we can a long way to improve our league position. There's never been a more crucial transfer window and there;s little or no margin of error. We simply have to be spot on.

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