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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Bye Dirk Kuyt!

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post May 14 2012, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ May 14 2012, 05:37 PM)
Unfortunately, all free t-shirts have been sold out. I'll be cancelling the bulk as a few of the orders I got specifically wanted the free t-shirts as well. Not enough orders to meet MOQ.

I guess I'll just wait for it to arrive at our shores. smile.gif

Btw, if you're wondering how the kit looks like in comparison to the Adidas', somebody posted this on RAWK:
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Looks real classy. Keeping it simple is perfection. Love this. Can't wait to see how the away kit looks like, heard it's slim fit. If it is, defo getting it
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ May 14 2012, 05:37 PM)
Unfortunately, all free t-shirts have been sold out. I'll be cancelling the bulk as a few of the orders I got specifically wanted the free t-shirts as well. Not enough orders to meet MOQ.

I guess I'll just wait for it to arrive at our shores. smile.gif

Btw, if you're wondering how the kit looks like in comparison to the Adidas', somebody posted this on RAWK:
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the red looks faded / more orangey.
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Sir Alex said, ManC is hundred years behind MU. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(SuperDuperFaith @ May 14 2012, 04:30 PM)


Charlie adam is real class man, I really miss both him and Lucas. Adam made 10 assists despite his injury. His passes are sublime.. Imagine, him and I really hope Rasmus Elm at CM. ooooh...  drool.gif
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Yea..finally i can see someone backing Adam up instead of flaming him, there is even player that are happy with his injury...his assist really good, but not so consistent and hardworking...
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QUOTE(AnythingK @ May 14 2012, 06:10 PM)
Yea..finally i can see someone backing Adam up instead of flaming him, there is even player that are happy with his injury...his assist really good, but not so consistent and hardworking...
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His performance in 1st half of the season look decent but his performance in 2nd half of the season is like sh*t.

I still hope KD will sell Adam and keep Aqua.
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post May 14 2012, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(Petre @ May 14 2012, 05:33 PM)
argued till tired d. facts are facts. positive is positive negative is negative. judging from our objectives this is a failure season. if we to do a double over all the top4 but get relegated, is it considered a successful season? what about losing both home and away to the bottom 5 but became champions? in the end, results matter, correct? deep in our hearts, the table matters no?
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Of course it matters but we've made a mess the last time we madee decisions based on results like sacking Rafa. Some people here thought it was the right thing to do. Look at us now, you could say that we're arguably worst off after removing Rafa. Put it this way, what if we fire Kenny then hire some random manager, and then few seasons down the road we find ourselves relegated. I'm not saying that will happen if we fire Kenny, just that being too result oriented can sometimes back fire like we did with Rafa.

You may think it's easy to work out but in truth, it is far from easy. We have a habit of shooting ourselves in the foot and making decisions for the sake of it is not always the best way forward. If Kenny is out of his depth, then we as fans are more clueless than he is.

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QUOTE(AnythingK @ May 14 2012, 06:10 PM)
Yea..finally i can see someone backing Adam up instead of flaming him, there is even player that are happy with his injury...his assist really good, but not so consistent and hardworking...
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He is lazy at times, but much more productive than the lot of em. His technique makes up for his lack of pace, he's shown some skill in taking players on.

Here's another player linked to us, from Wigan. Mohamed Diame. He's 24, and plays at CDM. A good back up in my books, shown his creativity and pace. Seems good to me.



Honestly I wouldn't mind Martinez taking over actually, Wigan has been playing brilliant passing movement throughout the season. And the latter adapts that one touch football philosophy.


Added on May 14, 2012, 6:29 pmAnyone seen this yet? brows.gif



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Adam is obviously skilled but his lack of atheletism is a problem in high tempo game. But what's more worrying is his mindset. I can understand players mishitting a long pass every now and then, but Adam fails to make a delivery from a dead ball and that's a big problem.
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post May 14 2012, 06:48 PM

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Charlie Adam for sure is very lazy in the field, which it may be improve by lots of training.
Still, with a good lecture from the manager will make him wake up..LOL
Btw, in the previous post, i mean "fans" but typo as player, it is some of the fans happy with his injury, which is cruel..=.= shakehead.gif
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pls no martinez for manager,,, he's only good for long term building squad while fan here wanna 1-season-win-title type of manager...

some ppl flame hendo,carroll,jonjo atm while their true potential will come 2 years from now on
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post May 14 2012, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ May 14 2012, 06:15 PM)
Of course it matters but we've made a mess the last time we madee decisions based on results like sacking Rafa. Some people here thought it was the right thing to do. Look at us now, you could say that we're arguably worst off after removing Rafa. Put it this way, what if we fire Kenny then hire some random manager, and then few seasons down the road we find ourselves relegated. I'm not saying that will happen if we fire Kenny, just that being too result oriented can sometimes back fire like we did with Rafa.

You may think it's easy to work out but in truth, it is far from easy. We have a habit of shooting ourselves in the foot and making decisions for the sake of it is not always the best way forward. If Kenny is out of his depth, then we as fans are more clueless than he is.
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Hicks & Gillette was waiting for any excuses to sack Rafa. They knew that he is a legend among the fans. He got the sacking once we didn't qualified for CL. Rafa was the only one who dare to oppose the previous owner openly. He was trying all he can to kick them out of the club.

Rafa's passion for the club are second to none. I'd say he contributed more towards Liverpool than most manager. Remember when Birmingham was trying to sign Babel and Rafa was asking for sky high price? Because he doesn't want to sell. He knew if he sell, he wouldn't be able to use the money to strengthen the squad anyway. All of it would be used to pay the interest we owed RBS. He really got his hand tied to his back during that time.

Plus even after he was sacked he didn't sell his house in Liverpool. He knew one day he will be back. He still had unfinished business here. He also contributed a hefty sum from his sacking money to the Hillsborough Disaster Charity. That really shows you what love he had for Liverpool.

Well the most important part is that he is the only one who dare to speak out against Fergie... And that's classic

I really really wish John Henry will give him another chance to prove himself here. The club that he loves.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ May 14 2012, 06:01 PM)
the red looks faded /  more orangey.
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Yeah, the Adidas kit is more to a dark blood colour while the new kit is more orangey, closer to our old kits.

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Why is it that our big players (The big Cs - Crouch, Coates and now Carroll) are the ones who could score overhead goals? laugh.gif

QUOTE(hfi @ May 14 2012, 06:30 PM)
Adam is obviously skilled but his lack of atheletism is a problem in high tempo game. But what's more worrying is his mindset. I can understand players mishitting a long pass every now and then, but Adam fails to make a delivery from a dead ball and that's a big problem.
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The problem I have Adam is that he's slow and I'm don't mean his pace. There's a saying in football, "The first 5 yards is in the head," unfortunately Adam doesn't have that. He's the type of player needs time on the ball and whenever he's pressured he tends to make mistakes. Even when he delivers that Hollywood pass, he only does it in 2 conditions:
1) He has ample of space ahead of him to push the ball forward
2) The ball is in the perfect position for him to swing his left foot

In the first half of the season you can see Lucas doing a lot of the dirty work, often relieving Adam from the pressure. But as soon Lucas got injured, he has been exposed over and over again.

As for dead ball situations and set pieces, do you still remember Ferguson once claimed that Adam's corners are worth 10million alone? laugh.gif That penalty miss at Wembley still haunts me.
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damn... I dont know how to post youtube.... Just the link then...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOaZYhTd2BU&feature=fvsr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRllRTMU51s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iEZ54XCk44&feature=related

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QUOTE(MistakesMow @ May 14 2012, 07:52 PM)
Hicks & Gillette was waiting for any  excuses to sack Rafa. They knew that he is a legend among the fans. He got the sacking once we didn't qualified for CL. Rafa was the only one who dare to oppose the previous owner openly. He was trying all he can to kick them out of the club.

Rafa's passion for the club are second to none. I'd say he contributed more towards Liverpool than most manager. Remember when Birmingham was trying to sign Babel and Rafa was asking for sky high price? Because he doesn't want to sell. He knew if he sell, he wouldn't be able to use the money to strengthen the squad anyway. All of it would be used to pay the interest we owed RBS. He really got his hand tied to his back during that time.

Plus even after he was sacked he didn't sell his house in Liverpool. He knew one day he will be back. He still had unfinished business here. He also contributed a hefty sum from his sacking money to the Hillsborough Disaster Charity. That really shows you what love he had for Liverpool.

Well the most important part is that he is the only one who dare to speak out against Fergie... And that's classic

I really really wish John Henry will give him another chance to prove himself here. The club that he loves.
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someone let henry know to bring Rafa back please!!
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post May 14 2012, 08:24 PM

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As it stands now it's 59 people who wouldn't mind kenny leaving compared to 40 who want kenny to stay. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 14 2012, 08:24 PM)
As it stands now it's 59 people who wouldn't mind kenny leaving compared to 40 who want kenny to stay. thumbup.gif
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If football was a popularity contest, Lucas Leiva would have been sold 3 seasons ago for nought. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 14 2012, 08:23 PM)
someone let henry know to bring Rafa back please!!
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My opinion is that we should look forward not the past.
People said kenny had unfinished business at liverpool when he came and it turned out very badly with very little progress or lack of it.
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i voted wrongly. should be on 2nd. somehow terpress 1st. =_= bugger.
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QUOTE(MistakesMow @ May 14 2012, 07:52 PM)
Hicks & Gillette was waiting for any  excuses to sack Rafa. They knew that he is a legend among the fans. He got the sacking once we didn't qualified for CL. Rafa was the only one who dare to oppose the previous owner openly. He was trying all he can to kick them out of the club.

Rafa's passion for the club are second to none. I'd say he contributed more towards Liverpool than most manager. Remember when Birmingham was trying to sign Babel and Rafa was asking for sky high price? Because he doesn't want to sell. He knew if he sell, he wouldn't be able to use the money to strengthen the squad anyway. All of it would be used to pay the interest we owed RBS. He really got his hand tied to his back during that time.

Plus even after he was sacked he didn't sell his house in Liverpool. He knew one day he will be back. He still had unfinished business here. He also contributed a hefty sum from his sacking money to the Hillsborough Disaster Charity. That really shows you what love he had for Liverpool.

Well the most important part is that he is the only one who dare to speak out against Fergie... And that's classic

I really really wish John Henry will give him another chance to prove himself here. The club that he loves.
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You have no dispute from me about Rafa. I've always liked him as a person and as a manager. It pains me until today that we just ditched him like that. One could say you reap what you sow.

QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ May 14 2012, 08:03 PM)
The problem I have Adam is that he's slow and I'm don't mean his pace. There's a saying in football, "The first 5 yards is in the head," unfortunately Adam doesn't have that. He's the type of player needs time on the ball and whenever he's pressured he tends to make mistakes. Even when he delivers that Hollywood pass, he only does it in 2 conditions:
1) He has ample of space ahead of him to push the ball forward
2) The ball is in the perfect position for him to swing his left foot

In the first half of the season you can see Lucas doing a lot of the dirty work, often relieving Adam from the pressure. But as soon Lucas got injured, he has been exposed over and over again.

As for dead ball situations and set pieces, do you still remember Ferguson once claimed that Adam's corners are worth 10million alone? laugh.gif  That penalty miss at Wembley still haunts me.
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I think you're spot on. He's not quick in the mind and this further handicaps him given his below average physique. As a result he often becomes ponderous on the ball and looking lost when off the ball. Xabi had no real pace but the quickness of mind allowed him to make quick decisions like sensing danger before it happens or the ability to create space when pressured.

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