Need recommendation/advice for CarAudio system V2

As we all know that the majority of our ICE market/exposure in Malaysia is very shallow, and often results in really bad cut-throat incidents, or many unsatisfied installations;This thread serves as a Q&A section for all new/existing ICErs seeking advice on their ICE'ing journey.

The "rules" are simple:
no flaming/bashing and try not to spam (posting irrelevant post).
You may ask us any ICE related question, and we will gladly assist you. Don't be shy regardless of "noob questions"!
Do note that it is also best to refer to this first post before proceeding as your questions may have been answered already and that will save us all a lot of time

When asking, please remember to STATE YOUR BUDGET.
Better if you give exact numbers (or range, eg: rm1000-rm2000)
"not so expensive la" is not considered a budget

also do state clearly if you're willing to buy used items/equipment (be it 2nd/3rd hand and so forth) and if you're able/willing to DIY

that GREATLY reduces your cost and could most likely allow you to go for decent/good reputable brands while spending around the price point of non-reputable brand (chicken/duck/cow brands)

Other info such as the following will also be helpful to get faster and more accurate responses:
- Your ride (Proton saga, perodua myvi etc)
- Prefer SQ/SPL/SQL (SQ being sound quality, SPL being sound pressure level, and lastly SQL being a mix of both SQ/SPL)
- File format/medium used in your source (flac, mp3 or ipod/CD/USB etc)
- Genre of music you listen to (classical, jazz, metal, etc)
- Setup type preferences (3 way, 2 way, active or passive etc)
- Other requirements (if any) (want to retain steering controls/original HU, new car dont want to void warranty, need to entertain rear passengers as well etc)

...or you can just copy and paste the following format when posting:


Do note that while it is not required for you to follow the above format, and you can ask pretty much ANY questions pertaining to ICE in this thread, (eg: "is focal a good brand?") it is recommended for new ICErs to follow the format so that the veterans can easily assist/answer your inquiries

Best of luck on your ICE'ing!

Useful links:


Previous threads for reference:
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/184622

Some audio terms used in this thread and their meaning:

SQ/SPL/SQL:
Sound Quality/Sound pressure Level/Mix of both

Sound quality setups emphasizes with sound quality and typically do not emphasize much on bass reproduction/"blasting" music.

Sound pressure level setups on the other hand, as the name may implies: sound volume/decibels is the utmost priority, typically associated to bass reproduction/"blasting" music, cars that you can hear thumping as they close in.

SQL is merely a mix of both, wanting the best of both worlds.


Source/Reference links:
http://bcae1.com/ (do read up if you have the time)

Note: If there's anything you think I should add, send me a PM.
sifu maybe can start pm me what general FAQ you'd like posted on first page so no need to keep answering the same Q's over and over again

Contributions:
- MrJinggles & mADmAN from the Audiophile Sub-forum for first post layout/template

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Nov 19 2012, 05:40 PM

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Huh.. the midbass for focals have always been lacking from those heydays. Perhaps it's just a matter of tuning.

But personally I've never heard a Focal setup that I've liked. Not even the Utopia BE which is kinda sad considering that's their flagship.

focal k2p had pretty good midbass i remember. when it comes to bass, rigidity in installation is key...

You know anyone with the utopia setup that's willing to TT?

Utopia and come TT? He would rather go earn more money.

Ok la poor fags don't get to audition Lo

Hmm.. the Utopia BE was actually in my own car. I was testing all the different speakers my installer had before settling for Dynaudios.

most focal users upgraded oledi la, hehe..... focal was a good starting point when serious about SQ

so nice can provide audition? demo unit or something?
where you did your installation btw?

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Added on April 4, 2012, 10:32 pmTechnically you "cant" upgrade out of a utopia BE right? since you know, focal flagship and all, and cost in the 5 digits for just the component set alone.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Apr 4 2012, 10:32 PM

never heard of the term:

"it's a never ending journey" ?

most expensive doesnt mean better sound maa....

anyway, how many ppl u know using Be? haha...

was talkin about kp & k2p, very popular last time, old utopia also quite good, not as expensive as current one..

tired to keep walkin' man

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Added on April 4, 2012, 10:50 pmto be honest, zero. hell, not just the utopia line, i dont even know ANYONE who has focal brand in their cars lol.

this brand is just totally dark for me which is something i'd like to shed some light on

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Apr 4 2012, 10:50 PM

That's the road on ice

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Added on April 4, 2012, 11:49 pmI also wanted to audit focal that installed in a car..
If im not wrong, one of the set in the howie's poisoning room is focal right?

This post has been edited by will92: Apr 4 2012, 11:49 PM

Quazacolt : Yeah, I have a pretty good relationship with my installer Peter from CV Audio. He's a great guy and his motto "Never leave my shop if you're not smiling".

I tested the flagship Utopia BE cuz I buntut gatal, not that I was going to pay that sorta money for a speaker set! But he did offer me a pretty tempting price la, lucky for me I didn't like it. The crossover is crazyass huge I tell you. But those knobs and all are pretty nice.

The flagship Rainbows are amazing though. Thank fully the Dynaudios were cheaper back then so opted for the cheaper alternative.

ICE is a never ending journey - true. But it helps to start off your journey with the best of the best so you don't upgrade so much. Buying entry level stuff is a waste of time knowing what I know now. Either you spend good $$$ and be satisfied with a damn good setup now that'll last you at the very least 10 years or you keep saving the money until you can afford it. Upgrading is a very expensive thing to keep doing!

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Added on April 5, 2012, 8:49 amyeah, perhaps my installation technique wasn't suitable for it. The K2Ps didn't sound that great for me. I had aluminium speaker rings and back then my dynamat was in better condition (than now). Anyway - that's ancient history la. I'm happy with my Dyns.

This post has been edited by izso: Apr 5 2012, 08:49 AM

u guys heard of Coral? using the speakers right now.

coral is somehow related to audison is i am not wrong...

some sort of their sister company for the budget line.

I've only heard the brand Coral from Howie. But that's not necessarily a bad thing since Howie is capable of working magic with all sorts of brands.

Every brand is good, the problem is whether it suit you or not

I do like some brand that i don't sell, because i got no money to buy the luxury brand and looks

haha i see, thanks for the infos.
and thats what i am aiming for, shoot for the good stuffs so i wont have the constant urge/need to upgrade

same reasons why i spent quite a lot for my first ICE going with reputable brands instead of chicken brands and i really hope the rest of the newbies venturing into this can see why.

Do u know the effects if i pair coral with audison or nakamichi amp?

This post has been edited by metaloid: Apr 6 2012, 08:55 PM

This post has been edited by craziechild: Apr 6 2012, 11:20 PM

very simple, it will sound like a rojak...lolz

- My ride: Toyota Hilux Vigo
- Prefers SQ/SPL/SQL: SQL
- File format/medium used for my source: Wish to get a DVD and USB function
- Music genre: All types, jazz to death metal
- Budget: 1k-1.5k

Hi all, newbie in IEC. Would like to upgrade my IEC experience recently. However, few questions would like to ask:

To further improve my IEC experience, is it sufficient to only upgrade my HU at this moment? Don't have much budget, if I want to go step by step, should I change HU first or Component set first?

Would greatly apreciate if taiko can list down few brand and price for either Component or HU.

This post has been edited by badzvino: Apr 9 2012, 11:13 AM

component first..

put all ur budget on a new set of component speaker. 1 that is more oriented towards stronger bass.

for HU and requiring dvd (viewing videos and double din HU i assume?) you will need at least rm3-4k++ for a good pioneer/alpine. Else i would suggest just sticking with single din and skip DVD/video.

Also for immediate improvements, typically doing with a good entry-mid range component set would be ideal. your budget should be enough to cover that requirement easily. though most mid range component sets could cost around/more than RM2k and beyond

btw, ICE (in car entertainment), not sure what you meant by IEC, i would assume its ICE

Just asking, what brand pairing of monoblok and subwoofer (with enclosure) can i get for RM 2k budget? Preferable some that has been tried and tested.

for reputable brand, 2k can be a bit difficult.

3k on the other hand you can most likely get the most basic entry level
eg: boston acoustics lowest level/basic 4 channel + woofer is already ~2k, without box/installation/cabling and typically monoblocks are more expensive than 4channels

if you're not aiming for reputable brands (chicken brand, maybe "local reputable brand", or i guess in house brands?) then shouldnt be a problem

Hi guys,

Any sifus here mind giving some advice on the below?

- My ride: Proton Saga BLM
- Prefers SQ/SPL/SQL: SQL
- File format/medium used for my source: MP3, Audio CD, Radio
- Music genre: Everything from trance -> pop -> rock -> hip hop -> classical
- Budget: 2k flexible
- Setup type preferences: HU + front components for now. Upgrade with amps + woofers if necessary in the future
- Other requirements (if any): USB + MP3 random access functionality


Has anyone tested Focal 165/v30s and Eton Adventure A1-160s? Anyone knows if they're any good and what their price range would be?

Anyone heard of the Alpine 133BT? Again, any ideas on pricing and if they're any good?

Any advice forthcoming would be much appreciated.

Thanks.

If you want comparison between Eton and Focal, for your type of music, I would say Eton. Tested, very nice.

Thanks for your feedback. So you've tested both sets of components?

Any ideas on the price range?

The Etons cost more than the Focals, right? Is the hike in price worth it?

Do you think the equipments I listed would be suitable for my purposes?

Sorry for the barrage of questions, haha. I'm at the point of cluelessness right now. Still trying to find my footing in this field and really not sure where to look for information relevant to the local ICE scene.

Have you listen to it yourself before? You should.

I have tested Focal Access 165A1 and the 7" Eton that I am helping my friend to sell. Never try V30.

Eton sound more clearer, more clarify.

I see. I've tested the V30 vs the KR2. I thought the V30s were good. Until I heard the KR2s. lol.

I hope to test the Etons myself eventually. But before that, I don't suppose you have any ideas on the pricing or if it's worth the price hike?

V30 I think it is around 1.7k. KR2 = 2k+++. Your Eton, I have no idea. My Eton is only 1K.

Justification of the price hike, you decide lar... It will come from your own pocket and you will enjoy it yourself.

All brand of speakers will have different range and different characters, all boil down to your own preference.

Btw, Focal I think plenty of shops do offer test unit. Eton, I have not see it yet.

Eton adventure is in the region of rm2.5k- rm3.8k while the focal access u tested is only rm900.
So its not a proper comparison..

Eton adv can sound good to most people but it can sound bright..

Their previous flagship model was eton discovery.comes wif flat copper foil inductor and mundorf caps...nice

This post has been edited by carcrazy: Apr 10 2012, 02:01 AM

Wow. Thanks for the info, guys!!

Anymore opinions on those speakers? How do the Eton Adventures fare against the Focal KR2s?

Any recommendations for alternatives in the range of the Focal 165/V30?

Any opinions on the Alpine CDE-133BT? Price? Performance? Functionality? Alternatives?

Does my plan and budget sound feasible in context of my preferences?

This post has been edited by +Newbie+: Apr 10 2012, 11:57 AM

I'd recommend the entry level Rainbows. They are not bad for the price you pay for them. And the best part is they work really well without an amp too.

Bro, Kau punya 2k for HU and comp set kah?

If so, looks healthy ler ...

Alpine CDE-133BT, looks like you are going for feature HU. Then I guess Alpine should suit you just nice.

Thanks for the recommendation! I'll be sure to check it out.

Yup. 2k + installation and cables.

What do you mean by feature HU?

bluetooth, EQ tuning, usb etc (features, basically. lol.)

Oh ... ok .. I get it.

Yeah I kinda picked that one because it had all the bells and whistles without being the most expensive unit. Not sure about the SQ though.

SQ shouldnt be the highest concern when it comes to picking an entry level HU, besides, its kind of a toss up between alpine pioneer and its really up to preference.

if you can audit, go ahead, else, probably just go for features/looks/design when it comes to selecting HU especially an entry level one

Feature HU to me, I would say priority is given to having the funtions like BT ke, iPhone ke, iPod connectivity ke .... etc ke.

Instead of sound and EQ function.

2K is just nice lar... But definitely cannot get the KR2 and the V30 lor. You may settle for Focal PS165 or Morel Tempo .... or Alpine Type R. Or many more that around the range of 1K.... because I dunno how much is the HU you want to buy.

I see. I'll really need to go hunting soon.

I see. Yeah. Just thinking of stretching the budget a bit because backside itchy. Haha.

Bro Quazacolt should make a list of recommended shops in the first page

it would be biased to my own experience and preference and that wouldn't be nice

myself and other members has made common recommendations time to time and i believe that would be enough

Hi sifu's,

I have a few question in mind that need help from you all.

Firstly...I am using a stock speaker system with a pioneer avh-4150dvd system. However the sound quality is not up to my expectation...I would prefer a clearer vocal's and perhaps some moderate mid bass, I normally listen's to pop, r n b & dance music...now my questions is there is two components in my mind which are ;

1) rainbow slx265 deluxe 6.5"
Or
2) morel tempo 6"

between these both which is to be recommended assuming I were to run it with my HU alone without the need to add amps.

I can find and audit the morel set but I just couldn't find the rainbow set...perhaps some of you would guide me to a shop that have rainbow speaker system?

By the way my budget is around rm1k which I believe is sufficient for morel but aren't sure bout the rainbow...can someone let me know as well how much is the rainbow slx265 deluxe 6.5" ?

Thanks!!!

Where did you get the idea from for the Rainbow set?

Ermm...by google-ing and as well as some local ICE forum such as lowyat and overseas comment bout the rainbow set...why is there anything I should know bout rainbow?

just bought and OEM player for my vios,wanted to get some entry level sound system to my vios,roughly 1.5k-2k....and i had some issues with the reception of the fm.not clear even at kl?

Morels generally are quite power hungry so if your amp isn't up to par, it won't 'sing' well. But if you can make them 'sing', Morel's are pretty good.

If you want to audit the Rainbow, I have it in my Myvi. Also, CV Audio Uptown Damansara has the exact same setup in their company car, a Myvi as well. I've actually pitted my Rainbow setup against a few other Myvis with significantly more expensive setups and quite frankly came up as a pretty decent 'winner', considering the amount spent on my car was less than half of theirs. They had HU, amps, woofers, components, all mixed and matched. I just have stock HU, custom door panels, Rainbows, underseat woofer and that's it. Recently added the tweeter pod though.

Come come let me poison you cukup cukup.

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Added on April 12, 2012, 7:33 amIf you don't mind 2nd hand sets, the Alpine 9855 is going for RM480 to RM800 these days depending on condition and seller. That one has pretty decent SQ, has EQ, X-over and if you have the Ipod wire, it'll connect to your Ipod too. And it's higher range than the Alpine 133 or whatever the model was you were looking at.

This post has been edited by izso: Apr 12 2012, 07:34 AM

[quote=izso,Apr 12 2012, 07:30 AM]
Morels generally are quite power hungry so if your amp isn't up to par, it won't 'sing' well. But if you can make them 'sing', Morel's are pretty good.

If you want to audit the Rainbow, I have it in my Myvi. Also, CV Audio Uptown Damansara has the exact same setup in their company car, a Myvi as well. I've actually pitted my Rainbow setup against a few other Myvis with significantly more expensive setups and quite frankly came up as a pretty decent 'winner', considering the amount spent on my car was less than half of theirs. They had HU, amps, woofers, components, all mixed and matched. I just have stock HU, custom door panels, Rainbows, underseat woofer and that's it. Recently added the tweeter pod though.

Come come let me poison you cukup cukup.

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Added on April 12, 2012, 7:33 am

Thanks bro for the info to audit in CV Audio Uptown...could I also ask what rainbow line u installed in ur myvi and how much for the rainbow system only without the underseat woofer?

By the way for morel their distributor is autocraft, what about for rainbow? Coz I am afraid of imitation...or is there one for rainbow?

The Rainbow I have installed is the entry level SLX I think. I didn't bother to ask back then since I had it installed as a guinea pig (ie-experiment). It worked surprisingly good without an amp and with the stock HU. It's recommended to be done with the door panel though which is different from the door panel you find in most shops. The speaker holder and all are placed higher up nearer to the arm rest rather than the usual low down at the door panel position (see picture)



The price should be in the RM1300 range including speaker wiring and all. Could be cheaper since I had this installed close to 3 years ago.

CV Audio doesn't sell imitation stuff. If they do they'd be in a lot of trouble since 90% of their customers are all luxury cars and sports cars. In this sort of community all you need is one person to complain and everyone else will know what happened and then you can say byebye to your business.

Nice..how's the sound like

- My ride: Cherry Eastar
- Prefers SQ/SPL/SQL: SQ
- File format/medium used for my source: DVD, MP3, Audio CD, Radio, other video formats
- Budget: 1.5-2.5k
- Setup type preferences: HU + extra monitor for 2nd & 3rd row
- Other requirements (if any): USB + reverse camera

It's a family car & wife drives it mostly. Any recommendation of what to get? I'm totally know nuts abt ICE. My 18yr old wira only has the original radio set

Thanks for tips

This post has been edited by scoop7: Apr 14 2012, 09:53 AM

Hey guys my 2 doors are soundproofed with 2 layers of stp silver...i have confidence with this brand and its reputable installer but it seems that my friends accessory shop was making fun of it saying that its too thin and its useless and that i should change it (they knocked the door to test it). They are selling Dayana something like that( not dynamat). Theres no way i just wasted hundreds right? It pissed me off.

Not too shabby for the price I paid for it. Considering it did better than a Audison + MBQuartz + P80 setup, I'm pretty proud of it. LOL.

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Added on April 14, 2012, 3:24 pmIf you know nuts, best you find a reliable installer and let them do the work. If you pick and match yourself whilst knowing nothing, it'll be worse! Where do you stay? If PJ area I recommend CV Audio Damansara Uptown, Audio Creations nearby Ara Damansara that side. If KL recommend EA Autoworks in Bukit Jalil area. These 3 shops I've had good customer experience with.

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Added on April 14, 2012, 3:28 pmGive a noobie a Ferrari and he'll drive it like a noobie. Give a pro a Proton and he'll drive it like a pro. Give you STP and it makes you happy, give you something else will it make you happy?

Thickness of material does not equate to how good it is. Knocking the door is the dumbest way of testing imho. The purpose of dampening materials is supposed to dampen the vibrations that cause ambient noise or that mess up the sound that emanates into your car. If the STP silver does the job, who cares what their stupid product Dayana or whatever does? If their product works too, good for them. If it doesn't it doesn't matter cuz the STP is doing the trick for you anyway. Right? STP have been around a loooooooong time doing dampening and soundproofing. If you tell me their products are hopeless I'd tend to think you're either an idiot or you don't know how to use their products.

This post has been edited by izso: Apr 14 2012, 03:28 PM

Oops wrong quote. Anyway Its definitely from a reliable installer if not the best one in Kuching. But hearing others say bad things to the brand and all is Its like they are making fun stp, of the guy who has tons of good reputation and my decision. But yea seriously if they dunno Stp and thinks its lousy they just gave me a bad impression. If the stuff is free they can bash it but im not happy to think my costly insulation is useless.

This post has been edited by metaloid: Apr 14 2012, 03:40 PM

it happen all the time for business...if u think that ur installer are doing the right job, then probably you should having fun with the basher too..

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Added on April 14, 2012, 3:35 pmbtw, soundproof are not judge by the sound you knock and closing the door...

This post has been edited by howiechoo: Apr 14 2012, 03:35 PM

I'm pretty sure insulation in my car is better than before. Wait till i tell my installer im sure he wont be happy hearing about this. Anyway the other place showed me their "Dyana" and how thick it is and knock one of the car doors their to proof it But i feel better now that i hear some better explanations here.

I did a comparison, whic is better in terms of dampening effect

Stp silver vs dynamat extreme
Verdict- dyn extr

Stp gold vs dynamat extreme
Verdict- stp gold

Stp bomb vs dynamat extreme
verdict- definitely stp bomb

its like having a SQ setup and being laugh over and over again by the "open boot deaf guys"..

reason they laugh is because i spend so much money for punny bass, they spend a fraction for tons of cheap egos...

get it over with buddy...

problem: he mentioned that its not dynamat, its "dayana"

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Added on April 14, 2012, 7:33 pmLOL i had that experience before also, i just laugh at them from the inside

for the IEM/headphone segment: its like the beats spenders vs your typical audiophile brands, except the beats guys spend MORE than your typical brand (unless you're talking bout the highend/flagship lineups) LOL!

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Apr 14 2012, 07:33 PM

Thanks bro izso for sharing ur experience...guess the only thing I could do now is find a day when I'm free and head over to CV Audio to audit the rainbow system

One question bro...regarding the placement of the front speaker...why does it have to be so high up towards near the armrest level? Any purpose for doing that? Coz I really wouldnt want to tamper with my door panel and would prefer it at the bottom to replace my originate speaker...

Thanks...

I think he refer "Dhyana" brand made by Shenzen Dhyana Environmental Technology Ltd.

www.acemat.net

Guys, I had installed a Pioneer AVH-4350DVD already, very happy cause now can see MTV everytime. But the price I paid is RM1780, I think it is consider overprice after I research in lowyat forum.

Now I want to upgrade my ICE again, its either subwoofer or speaker.

Package A: RM1050
PEGASUS 161 6.5" Mid one-way Speaker
PEGASUS tweeter 128 (I love the clarity of human voice of this tweeter very much!)
Tweeter holder
PEGASUS Crossover
TRANS 4channel amp
Labour charge and wiring

Package B: RM1300
PAWS woofer 12" + wood box
TRANS mono block
Labour charge and wiring

Package C: RM1310
Sound Damping and sound proof for two front door RM250
STELLAR 6.5" component set RM400
Labour charge and wiring RM80
TRANS active Subwoofer RM580

Package D: RM1705
AMERON 298 4channel amp RM585
AMERON 62N component set RM485
MBQ 10E active subwoofer RM490
Labour charge and wiring RM145


So far I got these few package from three different shop (Package A and B are from the same shop).

All sifu, please help me see which package I should get, or pin point which is good deal and bad deal.
Another question is, install a full set subwoofer like Package B or MBQ active sub is better, is the difference really that big between full set sub and active sub?

Thank you so much for the long question.

Erm.. I don't know what car you drive, but for Myvi the front door panels don't hold any speakers. So for a Myvi to have to have midbass in the door panels, you'll have to custom. And I had it done up so I don't kick it which is a common thing amongst people who have their midbass installed in the usual lower down location (in any car). Sound wise I can't comment because I don't have another Myvi with the exact setup except for the different door panel mould placement to compare with.

If you already have some space in the door panel for a speaker, then there's obviously no need to customize it unless the speaker hole is too small. On average I recommend going 6.5 inch midbass or 5 inch midbass (or larger!) anything smaller than that tends to lack in terms of midbass. But that's my personal opinion anyway.

Sound is very subjective. I once sat in Howiechoo's tuning sessions with one of his competition cars. I couldn't hear what it was he was trying to remove! He said there was this 'high frequency sound' which I completely was tone deaf to.

none of the package you mentioned. however if you cant stretch your budget, or willing to do it stage by stage/used equipment, then do as you like.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Apr 14 2012, 09:56 PM

Insulflex is a very misleading material to be used and be called a "cheap soundproof" solution.

But if you use it on the door metal, knocking on it would give you a result comparable to STP Silver. So when you start driving around, you will know why people pay more to get those PROPER soundproof material.

Every soundproof material also has it advantage. You'll have to apply it correctly and use it as recommended.

I wouldn't say there is something called the best soundproofing material, unless your talking about the thickness and density of STP BOMB.

Sekian, please buy soundproof materials only from me.

Bro, what do you mean by 'none of the package'? Are they all overprice or unreliable product?
By streching my budget, how much should I stretch until? Cause actually above mentioned are already strechED budget for me. So if let say I cant stretch any further, based on the above, which is a good deal. Maybe mix and match between package?

btw, I don't mind do it stage by stage or used equip. But due to I'm from KK sabah, so there will be a bit difficult for me to source a used set.

chicken brand, so for my opinion, personally i wont go for any of the listed packages, i would save more. however its your money so if you dont want to spend more for reputable brands, then by all means go ahead.

badzvino go for quality instead of quantity, build up your system step by step instead of everything at once

Which 2 din player supports Android? And how much btw?

no idea.

however a better alternative i would suggest is a good single din HU, and use AUX in to the HU and you can still use your android phone/tablet to control.

clarion coming up with one, just launched i think, was in star today but didnt read properly

Hi guys, I got a woofer and I need u guys's help in which amp should I buy.
Budget around 500bucks.

The woofer's RMS = 75-600 Peak 1.2k
Which kind of amp should I buy? an amp that has a peak of 600 rms? @@

rm500 for amp you will most likely get chicken brands. even reputable branded used amps i am not sure you can get for rm500.

Chicken brands will heat up faster? ....
reputable chicken brands?

it's your money, your choice

Okay.
But actually chicken brands tend to heat up faster? more unstable?
It also affects the clarity of the speakers/subwoofers?
Brands like Soundstream/Etone etc etc are chicken? Alpine & Pioneer too?

can't comment since i never used (and never will) chicken brands. their clarity/accuracy is enough of a turn off for me to go for them

AFAIK soundstream/etone arent chicken, though AFAIK soundstream are more into amps, and etone kinda have a niche market.

alpine/pioneer are pretty much HU/processors only. their low end speakers are a lost cause and their high ends (like the discontinued alpine F#1) are not worth it

hi sifu and friends.
im planning to upgrade my ice.changing from spl to sq. tua already. b4 im using mohawk comp,amp and sony subs.
i already change my comp to morel hybrid ovation, morel tempo coax, and amp mcintosh 440m. still on sony subs. i have budget around 2k. what is the best subs i can get?
btw my hu is pioneer avh 3250dvd

This post has been edited by hans18: Apr 24 2012, 03:09 PM

JL 12w3 and above, in minimum 1/2in mdf + good monoblock + min 4ga power cables.

anyone wants to share a 0awg power cable with me?

thinking of ordering one reel... but i dun use up to one reel...

I duno much about SS or Etone but I'd be surprised if you can get Alpine for RM500... unless you're talking 2nd hand?

If you could top it up to 1k I think you might be able to get get the Alpine PDX monoblocks or something along those lines. Perhaps even the JL smaller monoblocks. But whatever it is you get, make sure the amp supports the impedance requirements of the sub. dual voice coil 4ohm means your amp needs to support 2ohm minimum. Dual voice coil 2ohm means 1ohm minimum. If single coil the just see whats the impedance and whether the amp supports it or not. Otherwise whatever brand you use you'll hurt the amp.

Chicken brands are called that because they never deliver what they promise. Not because they are unstable or heat up faster or whatever. In some extremely bad chicken brands, they advertise xxxx but give you zzzz then something spoils because of it. In most cases it's just a matter of "1000w RMS" but only deliver 250w which isn't so bad.

Oh and if you have golden ears, you'll be able to hear the difference in bass with the different amps. Compare the Alpine PDX Class-D Monoblocks with a class-AB monoblock and you might hear the difference. Of course class-AB is more expensive and can be quite rare.

Eton, right? Not Etone. Etone is from another planet.

thanks krayden for your comment.i forgot to mention i need subs somewhere in 400rms. i plan to use 1 amp only which is my 6ch mcintosh 440m. i bridge to 3ch (200w x 2) and (400w x 1). 200w x 2 to powered my morel hybrid ovation (front comp) and 400w rms for subs. i know mcintosh amp can supply more but to be safe i want to stay in 400w region for my subs.my morel tempo coax directly powered from HU.

btw im using 4ga power cable and do jl subs sound good? last time i heard its more towards spl. i dont want to boom boom but just pure sq. and the last thing i want to do is to open my boot and listen from outside ;-) its in car entertainment (ice) not outside car entertainment(oce) hehe

This post has been edited by hans18: Apr 24 2012, 11:09 PM

maybe can try peerless, rms is 300W i think

thnks zenn.
any specific model, comment, distributor loc.