The word is clinical enough in front of goal, if want to challenge the top.

In PL, chance in front of goal is not easy to come by.
We can see from the 3 games (apart against Arsenal), created many many chances, and conversion rate is not high.
Against Sunderland, should be bury the game on first half, instead ended a draw.
Against Bolton, should/can score more than 3.
Against Stoke, 2 gilt edge chance not converted. If Henderson and Suarez converted the chance, the scoreline might be 1-2, and everyone is praising the team again.

Nowadays when team fail to win, all sort of criticism pop up instantly.
Last night, it is not a game that the team play poorly, even though it is not a pretty good one as well.

I can say Liverpool back to old syndrome which i refer to 'Inconsistency'

to win EPL, you need to collect full pts for every game as possible eventhough it's an ugly win. Doesnt matter, it's referee decision, defensive play by opponent,penalty kick, or international friendly.. every team must fully utilize every mins of the game.

Plus with new players come in, such as carroll, bellamy, downing, KD should get enough supply of different game plan.

Sorry KD, I'm not on your side again this time. U'r a legend but Liverpool still need that EPL throphy this season. It's still early but hey last season i remember we said the same thing also.

Looking forward for next match.

YNWA

Great disappointment, this is exactly what I feared about the limitations of Adam, Henderson and it's against stoke where in the past we are famous for dropping points of such teams. (looks like it may continue, given we too shared points against Sunderland).

We had plenty of chances but it's always very scappy, our play was very scappy, maybe it's has something to do with the longer grass surface (mentioned below)

Our game was desperate, and I somehow which we had a bit more 'discipline', introducing caroll wasn't much help, he was easily contained.

This may not be the only frustrating game we will encounter, the season only started, hope the team learns from this.
I don't think KD had wrong tactics, but on other occasions it would unstuck such teams. Bad luck? We had our slf to blame for not converting them. Adam is seen to do a lot, a busy workmanlike player, but that 1 magic touch, that 1 pass; he is not.




Carra was 'suckered' in to give that foul. He has 'limitation' being a central defender, he not a gifted central defender but 98/100 times will do the job well, liv'pool was punished for 1 mistake. No other mistake from then on. Maybe being a little taller, carra could have cope with that pennant's overhead pass.

We need to srugged this lost n learn from it


I think it was mentioned in the game, being a little too long, & given the lacked of 'ball players' in stoke, it could be done to 'slow' the opposing players who like to dribble/fast pacey wingers. "could have be 'intentionally' "

This post has been edited by koolspyda: Sep 11 2011, 12:44 PM

to be fair, unless Kenny called you directly and promised you the EPL trophy this season, then your comment makes sense. you are more deluded than old uncle woy.

this season is about bringing new bloods into the squad. it's about getting into the champions league. it's all these deluded fans that keeps thinking the EPL trophy will come this season is the kind of shit spewing on FB and twitter in terms of unrealistic expectations. go read up the direction the club wants to go and what we are trying to achieve this season. if you bothered to, then comment like that would look like a childish whine when you have got the facts right

yeah well, YNWA

Well said REDshaun. If one needs to see their "favorite" club winning every match day, you know where to go. And stop blabbering about , "oh my team not winning cause some shite team won last night and they are taking a piss on me".

Every supporters should be behind the team when they are in bad terms and good terms. Supporting a team is not just when they are winning, gotta learn to take the positives from the performance.

I couldn't catch up with the game last night , but when i was updated with the score by a mate, i took it easy and thought that there could be a reason why we screwed the 3 points. Rivals winning it doesn't matter and how far they are.

Downfall is not far away for them.

disappointing...afraid off that even we are doing 'injection of a new blood' but still look the same. But, thats not my concern. There is 30++ game more that can sum up what we have done this year. Its not only this game. Even Arsenal and Spurs lose 2 game early.

Replace Carra is yes, but not because of his one mistake against Stoke. We still need him until new CB introduce in the team. (Playing games)
When i see Carra do the long ball, then i know we will have a problem.

Lets benchmark this game with others top 4, then surely we can see whats is wrong with our team.

Next match - vs Spurs, Man Utd and Man City beat them. So its up to us whether we would like to be on the same boat or else we will drown in the sea.

Liverpool need the EPL every season mate...

.......but at this point, we'll be mad to claim we're title challengers...even before season start, the word was rebuilding...yah i know..we've been saying that for years...but what to do? we got new owners, changed 2 managers in 2 seasons, bought in heap of players and shipped out quite a number...so its a simple fact..we're doing it all over again....

Inconsistency is playing well one match and playing badly the other....i thought we played well last night....the only difference was we didnt get the score line we wanted..sure...there were mistakes here and there..but i've seen how we lost to the Stokes and Sunderland before....poor display, no chances...but last night was different...we had the chances..but we were not clinical enough...

I still believe--qualifications for CL and a good cup run will be reasonable achievements for this season...i know..this is Liverpool..and we should be talking about loftier ambitions...but we're in no position to compete when other clubs are splashing out money to buy players...and when guys like Phil Jone and Ashely Young prefer the red side of Manchester....


Adams? Dont expect him to do the things Silva or Modric does. He cant. He's a decent British player who can bring some good performances to the club but lets not expect him to do wonders....some of his crosses and passing DID create some openings....

Henderson? classic example of an overrated English youngster but he's available and we bought him..so lets give him time....

Downing? he can run and run..but again..he's not magician...just another typical English player...who can create some openings and score occasionally...


Perhaps with the exception of Suarez, we're not a team of superstars....We got no Aguero, no Rooney, no Ronaldo, no Silva, no Messi, no Mata...
We can only hope KD will gather the collective strengths of Kuyt, Downing, Henderson, Adams, Maxi and use them with the right combination at the right time to win matches...


I've been saying this again and again (sorry if it sounds like a broken record). From what i see so far, my main worry is Carrol....not clinical, not frightening the opposition, nothing.....and we need it badly...

This post has been edited by nando: Sep 11 2011, 01:28 PM

I would just stop criticize about yesterday match. Overall display by the team was good but a bit unsatisfied with the result.
Was sitting in front big screen at The Beer Factory yesterday with fellow friends. After match kena teased by friends really make my day. Dayum!
Looking forward for next match against Spurs. Really hope Gerard start his game next week! Good luck to KD and the team!

This is absolutely correct!

This post has been edited by wts6819: Sep 11 2011, 01:34 PM

carra lost his speed? he never has any to begin with. but he cover that by reading the game well. not as well as hyppia but he's more than good enough.

yeap... his last ditch tackles are invaluable to us.

both manchester teams are really going rampant...

but our target is not the Premiership, but a champions league spot.

I don't know about you guys but I think we played well enough to win any PL games. I don't really think there's much fault to the performance. Right, the finishing could have been better but have you thought how they defend through out the game, literally with 10men inside of their penalty box especially in the 2nd half at home. Not Anfield but the Brittania.

Kenny was not far off in saying the referees has been sort of anti-Liverpool in recent years (remember beach ball?). This kind of penalty will not be awarded to stoke if AF team was the one playing last night. We had a good penalty shout in the 2nd half as well when it was a very clear deliberate hand ball. I don't care if some of you wanna criticize the team but for me, I'm started to think that if you wanna do well or win the premier league, you gotta have some of the referees respect.

from the start of the season all i can say is we only paid average at the premium price.. so although 50m spent but still we performed like average team cz the team are so average at best... no suarez we are a little better than sunderland maybe

no more hype about best english winger , xabi replacement , next gerrard , next hypia or wat...

just focus on next game and try to drop the 'player' who is underperformed.. BPL crown is fantasy but epl 4th spot is maybe

This post has been edited by skeleton202: Sep 11 2011, 03:16 PM

In your opinion then, what was wrong with how we played last night? Yes some of our passing went awry but we still created enough chances to have taken the game had we been more clinical in the final third of the pitch. Forget the missed attempts from Suarez and Henderson. How many times did desperate defending from the likes of Shawcross, Upson and Huth foil us? They were throwing themselves in front of the ball when we took aim at goal. The fans were singing Huth's name and Shawcross was named MOM. What does this tell you? I'm no genius but if you couple this with the fact that we dominated possession and had way more shots on goal, it tells me Stoke defended well.

Did King Kenny promise the title this season? Here's where I feel fans delude themselves into thinking the team will challenge each season just because of a couple of new signings. King Kenny hasn't even been in charge for a full season yet. This season has just begun and suddenly some people forget how he salvaged a miserable season for us last term with a string of good results.

Yes we aren't winning all our games but it isn't like we didn't create the chances to have done so. What matters now isn't that we win every game as good as that would be, but that we continue to play well and create chances which we have bar the Sunderland game.

One bad result and it's doom and gloom all over again. Are you telling me you don't see any positives? Young players coming through the ranks. Healthy financial standing. New stadium looming. Expansion into Asian markets. John Henry has said that it will take years to build a successful side and he isn't going for the instant success formula. He's invested in us for the long term. Fans should look to the long term and not put words into the gaffers mouth by claiming we should be going for the title. It's a bonus, not an obligation.

how can u said that??

the game start to be good when only bellamy n carrol comin in but we knew tats abit too late to win

highlight link plox..

we are fighting for relegation early last season and dont expect us to win the league after some 60M investment? if like that Man City would won the league few years ago.

At least we tried on last match , you can see all the stoke player throwing their body on line to block our shots and they only managed to produce 2 shot on goal on their home game.I cant remember when last time we are so attacking in away game .

seriously?! were you watching the game or just trolling with your comment?!

it's comments like these that makes me wonder if you guys watched and understood the game and how's it played or just sitting chatting with your friends and look up when your team scores? or maybe worse, looking at the game during the full time overview.

seriously, this threads quality in terms of fans are becoming questionable. sorry to be overly critical on you guys but you're showing me what a ton of hunters that are beginning to show themselves of late.

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Added on September 11, 2011, 3:35 pmMate, all I know was, yesterday's match it made me believe we are playing like we should minus the "wee bit of unluckiness" that the ball did not end up behind the net. latest read was 23 shots and 73% possession. I don't remember a time when we played any team making that kind of a pressure with more than 4 players flying body, head, hands and feet to defend our shots.

This is not a season to win titles for me. It's a season to get back into the top 4 and watch the "pass and move" I have missed for sooooooo very long.

YNWA!

This post has been edited by REDShaun: Sep 11 2011, 03:35 PM

Agreed with Duke Red, REDShaun n leaF comments...our target this season is only to be in top 4...
n we played as usual yesterday..just that Stoke parked their bus and luck is not on our side..Even King Kenny himself is frustrated.
To all fans here that criticized players and the managers, you should look at the overall of the game. N we critized Carra for his mistake?
Come on man..he's been defending very good throughout the game...
Here is King Kenny comment after the game.

""We would like to be respectful towards referees. I think I have been respectful to referees, but more importantly than being respectful to referees in their campaign it's about having respect for my football club, Liverpool Football Club.

"If I feel they (Liverpool FC) are suffering in any shape of form then maybe I need to go down the same route as some other people go and see if we can get some benefit from that. I'll speak to the owners first and see what they say because the last thing I want is for my behaviour to infringe on the club's success in any way, shape or form."

Total respect for the King.

mate, let see the line up again. from the line up we understand that Lucas and Adam should be at the middle, spraying passes...Downing at left, henderson at right.... but why there is less cross, passing was not completed...downing go to right, henderson to left, downing go inside and failed to look for option.....

we have a very high hope on the line up and we know how they play...but in the end everything seems not right...

thas sums up how im dissapointed about last night....but to lose hope this season was to much..

Top 4 finish is a must, BPL title? Look at the bright side.. 34 games to go. I guess consistency is the key to everything. I really hope bellamy starts against spurs.