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post Aug 28 2011, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Aug 28 2011, 06:09 PM)
Here is something I found utterly annoying though. Did anyone watch Maxis Football Extra? There's a prick of a scum hosting it and he keeps making snide remarks like  "Oooh Liverpool fans, it's still early days and come end of the season we'll win it again". "Oooppss I just blinked and missed it like Carragher". Eh WTF is your problem? You are hosting a TV programme and are paid to be a host and not a fan. Show some professionalism please. When we lose, we get stick, when we win, we also get stick. Here's another fact I digged up from the latest edition of FourFourTwo. Man Utd have 100 songs involving players, and out of that 25 are aimed at opposition players, the highest amongst all clubs. Seems to me that they believe making others look bad makes them look even better. Is it some coincidence that the scum host on Maxis Football Extra behaves in the same way?
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Mate, you expected professionalism from a brownie point hunting scum? I don't blame him, he was borned jealous of LFC but I rather blame his producers because if they allowed this kinda of a scum remark, then they are to be held fully accountable. But then again that show is crap ever since Jamie Yeo left. Now they included some scum juice on a crap show means you can now definitely flush it down the sewer, where both of it belongs blush.gif
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post Aug 28 2011, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Aug 28 2011, 07:59 PM)
Oath and Jamie Yeo was onz bra. She's nice as well hey. Met her in SOMO once during a Tiger event. She looks as good in person as she does on TV  wub.gif
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damn you lucky mustard.. i saw the pic, you would not believe how green with envy i was cry.gif
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post Aug 29 2011, 12:30 AM

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its not old owners or new owners...

it's a manager that is too stubborn in his own mindset.
he said he didn't need to buy. he thought he could guarantee player loyalty, that is the worst mistake a modern manager can make.

so yes i pity Arsenal but not in regards of their ownership sad.gif
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post Aug 29 2011, 01:08 AM

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the thing with us so far... hopefully in the coming future is to not go into other team's thread even when their down. offer support yes. but stomp on them no.

I can't talk much about the other teams fans but let it be that at least we here aren't that farked up.

the capitulation of Arsenal is another rough patch for them. they are a great team with great history. i am sure they will be back. My dad must be heartbroken today but then again a supporter of more than 45 years is not so easily shaken. smile.gif
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post Aug 29 2011, 10:53 AM

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I think after all the Suarez, Adams, Henderson, Lucas and the rest getting praised, a really sound point taken from one of the greatest things I've seen over the games with LFC is Steward Downing.

He seems to have really made the lives of Suarez, Adam and the rest easy up in front. It's not because of his pacy runs up the field but the way he positions the RB and CB of the opposition teams. He floats and moves with more then just coincidence. He seems to pull the defenders to him leaving the field on the left for us truly open for Suarez or Enrique to get in. In truth I had my doubts on Downing earlier prior to his purchase but now I see why we bought him. He and Lucas are possibly the most important player in the field for us.

Can't wait for the next game, YNWA! smile.gif
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post Aug 29 2011, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Aug 29 2011, 09:16 AM)
Too many overly dramatic fans these days I must say. A couple of bad results and it's a travesty. 3 seasons with no title and it's the dark age. Think fans these days need to gain a little more perspective. Assuming that what they claim is true i.e. to be a fan for life (a term I take loosely these days given the people I've seen jump ship), then are a few bad results really a disaster? Now Hillsborough, that was a disaster. Bad results are but a mere blip in the bigger scheme of things. We won the Champions League in dramatic fashion back in 2005, 7 years ago! Still fresh in our minds though isn't it?

I've never resented Arsenal although I think Arsene Wenger has underachieved despite the club being in a healthy state financially. I've always felt he needed to take more risks and spend a little to turn them from nearly boys into champions. Defensively, they were all over the place and it didn't help they came up against an in-form Man Utd team.
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every single time i wear my reebok 5 star jersey i feel like crying a bit with the memories of Istanbul smile.gif
that and watching "15 mins" all over again blush.gif
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post Aug 31 2011, 01:29 AM

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sigh, my irritation knows no bounds when there is no game for us over this long week of holiday i am having.

I AM FRIGGIN PISSED!!! ...sigh :S


Added on August 31, 2011, 1:40 amoh and to the previous bunch of fella's (see i am being respectful) asking for a comparison between players? well, here is an honest reply:

1. Don't expect a fair comparison as there is nothing to compare in the first place - we don't know your players too well, neither do wee really look into it too much, so we don't know therefore hard to come out with a "fair comparison

2. Even if there are comparisons, please don't expect it to be non-bias, as we would definitely rate most of our players higher, just like you would too in your thread. so don't be stupid to expect anything less.

3. If you see a comparison leaning heavily to a club supported in this thread, please do not be butthurt (is this even a word, wateva) as you would be "stupid and naive" if you think otherwise. a bunch of hypocritical comments coming from your thread tells me you would do the same in a comparison. So in short feck off if you don't like what you are reading.

4. I love my club and the fans that are with our club and as much as we respect any club in the premier league, as rival fans you need to earn that respect and for a start "stop being hypocritical. so yeah, go fap if you have so much time in your hands smile.gif

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post Sep 1 2011, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(Immunityx7 @ Sep 1 2011, 12:58 PM)
he doesnt want to leave  sad.gif
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bro, he handed in a last minute transfer request, so he did want to leave. blush.gif


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post Sep 11 2011, 01:18 AM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Sep 11 2011, 12:59 AM)
Same thing every season.Liverpool lose away to teams like stoke and draw sunderland at home.Then when we play against man utd,we raise our game and play with full spirit for 90minutes.I swear to you this is tiring and sickening.Same old plot for the 10years or so supporting liverpool.The older supporters have witnessed us winning the league but you have to pity the younger ones like me who are subject to crap from man united,chelsea and arsenal fans over the years.
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seriously, I am totally sick of hearing this tune from the "younger" fans. Can't take the heat, go get the glory you deserve with another team. it's easy, just go buy a jersey, switch sides and you will not need to take crap anymore. cool2.gif

we had 18 shots on target, 10 corners and we had most of the possession. If that is not positive, I have no idea what would please you guys. if winning is all you care for, then this is not the team for you. blush.gif

Sometimes we will have to learn to take the positives from the game even when we are losing to a side that we had cowered into defending 11 man behind the box. Read the stats, Britannia stadium is not easy to break down. We played the previous 4 games (3 draws and 1 lost) that speaks volumes in terms of their football. if you bothered to look into it, it was a tough test for us. When Hodgson.. OMFG, was around, we won't even be closed to that stats let alone have a chance at winning it. We tried all the way and it wasn't like we gave up, even till the last whistle we were pressing them. Some games are going to be like that and you expect an easy game with a bus parked in their box? Do you even understand what you were watching?

Stoke defended well, we were a bit hard done by a soft penalty and we were more or less not given one with a handball. we had misses but I for one have no complaints over our performance. We lost, we move on. It was a great team performance but as luck would have it, our shots did not end up behind the net.

Please don't bother replying this as it would just show the immaturity of fans like you to continue to whine over 1 lost and to a team like Stoke who are there to play us down with the way they defended. Again let me remind any fans that deems we did badly tonight, go switch colors because I have not been that excited to see so much action from a team that started out so differently from last season. blush.gif
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post Sep 11 2011, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(mr_nobigdeal @ Sep 11 2011, 11:44 AM)
I can say Liverpool back to old syndrome which i refer to 'Inconsistency'

to win EPL, you need to collect full pts for every game as possible eventhough it's an ugly win. Doesnt matter, it's referee decision, defensive play by opponent,penalty kick, or international friendly.. every team must fully utilize every mins of the game.

Plus with new players come in, such as carroll, bellamy, downing, KD should get enough supply of different game plan.

Sorry KD, I'm not on your side again this time. U'r a legend but Liverpool still need that EPL throphy this season. It's still early but hey last season i remember we said the same thing also.

Looking forward for next match.

YNWA
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to be fair, unless Kenny called you directly and promised you the EPL trophy this season, then your comment makes sense. you are more deluded than old uncle woy.

this season is about bringing new bloods into the squad. it's about getting into the champions league. it's all these deluded fans that keeps thinking the EPL trophy will come this season is the kind of shit spewing on FB and twitter in terms of unrealistic expectations. go read up the direction the club wants to go and what we are trying to achieve this season. if you bothered to, then comment like that would look like a childish whine when you have got the facts right blush.gif

yeah well, YNWA smile.gif
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post Sep 11 2011, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Sep 11 2011, 03:20 PM)
how can u said that??

the game start to be good when only bellamy n carrol comin in but we knew tats abit too late to win
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seriously?! were you watching the game or just trolling with your comment?!

it's comments like these that makes me wonder if you guys watched and understood the game and how's it played or just sitting chatting with your friends and look up when your team scores? or maybe worse, looking at the game during the full time overview.

seriously, this threads quality in terms of fans are becoming questionable. sorry to be overly critical on you guys but you're showing me what a ton of hunters that are beginning to show themselves of late. shakehead.gif


Added on September 11, 2011, 3:35 pm
QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 11 2011, 03:03 PM)
In your opinion then, what was wrong with how we played last night? Yes some of our passing went awry but we still created enough chances to have taken the game had we been more clinical in the final third of the pitch. Forget the missed attempts from Suarez and Henderson. How many times did desperate defending from the likes of Shawcross, Upson and Huth foil us? They were throwing themselves in front of the ball when we took aim at goal. The fans were singing Huth's name and Shawcross was named MOM. What does this tell you? I'm no genius but if you couple this with the fact that we dominated possession and had way more shots on goal, it tells me Stoke defended well.

Did King Kenny promise the title this season? Here's where I feel fans delude themselves into thinking the team will challenge each season just because of a couple of new signings. King Kenny hasn't even been in charge for a full season yet. This season has just begun and suddenly some people forget how he salvaged a miserable season for us last term with a string of good results.

Yes we aren't winning all our games but it isn't like we didn't create the chances to have done so. What matters now isn't that we win every game as good as that would be, but that we continue to play well and create chances which we have bar the Sunderland game.

One bad result and it's doom and gloom all over again. Are you telling me you don't see any positives? Young players coming through the ranks. Healthy financial standing. New stadium looming. Expansion into Asian markets. John Henry has said that it will take years to build a successful side and he isn't going for the instant success formula. He's invested in us for the long term. Fans should look to the long term and not put words into the gaffers mouth by claiming we should be going for the title. It's a bonus, not an obligation.
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Mate, all I know was, yesterday's match it made me believe we are playing like we should minus the "wee bit of unluckiness" that the ball did not end up behind the net. latest read was 23 shots and 73% possession. I don't remember a time when we played any team making that kind of a pressure with more than 4 players flying body, head, hands and feet to defend our shots.

This is not a season to win titles for me. It's a season to get back into the top 4 and watch the "pass and move" I have missed for sooooooo very long.

YNWA!

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post Sep 11 2011, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Sep 11 2011, 06:09 PM)
When you speak like this,the younger generation are turned off from your team.Then it's no wonder why they are opting for chelsea,arsenal and manu.I didnt say we would win the league,if u read my post before the game,i was lowering down expectations.Please dont preach the ''i m a better fan than you'' attitude.It stinks.

There was nothing new in what i saw,everything same to what everyone witnessed in 08-09 season.I still remember,the draw with stoke at anfield was one the reasons why we lost the league.Stoke's style is set that way.You cant change that.They play like that all the time.Dont give excuses that you are playing against 10men defence.If no top four team comes away with a win from stoke then i will apologise to you.You all want us to be the in the top four.I say this result is not good enough.What separates the top four and the rest is being a able to scrap a result even when you have a off day.Sorry to say liverpool are still not that stage yet,let alone be champions.
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this is your post:

Same thing every season.Liverpool lose away to teams like stoke and draw sunderland at home.Then when we play against man utd,we raise our game and play with full spirit for 90minutes.I swear to you this is tiring and sickening.Same old plot for the 10years or so supporting liverpool.The older supporters have witnessed us winning the league but you have to pity the younger ones like me who are subject to crap from man united,chelsea and arsenal fans over the years.

I don't even need to prove or show if I am a better fan than you are. your post tells me what kind of a fan you are. you just want the team to win so you can be up there with the "winning teams" so that you don't have to be a subject to crap of the other teams your peers support. for me your solution is simple. go join their bandwagon. it's easy, solves your problem and you don't even need to post your frustration in this thread.

I know a lot of younger fans who are more dedicated and watch football for what it is. instead of feeling the subject of crap from their peers who supports other teams they learn to understand what the club is doing and find out more if it was truly a bad performance. sigh, like i said, please don't reply this, it just makes you look more of a "lousy than me fan" without me needing to point it out to you.

so yeah, YNWA blush.gif

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post Sep 11 2011, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Sep 11 2011, 09:38 PM)
Yeah sorry superfan.I might not be good as you but your arrogance will not stand you in good stead.
And who are you to tell me who i should i support?Mind your own business.You really are putting words into my mouth sweat.gif
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sure, yeah.

Enjoy the way you are. And no apologies needed. You are forgiven.

But to say me of my arrogance, only shows the kind of ignorance that has befallen and deluded some fans here.

and again, YNWA tongue.gif
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post Sep 11 2011, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Sep 11 2011, 09:45 PM)
Yeah,you take one post of mine and draw conclusions from there.Very intelligent and mature of you.Calling other fans deluded and ignorant is
uncharacteristic of an 'intelligent'' and ''mature'' fan.Stop your drivel
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sure mate. YNWA biggrin.gif
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post Sep 11 2011, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Sep 11 2011, 09:55 PM)
Just to get certain things of your thick skull,what do you say about this post?

FML.Anyway its a good thing that the expectations will lower down with a number of our deluded fans who think we are gonna win the league.
Comments on newspaper and websites are embarassing.''this year liverpool will be champion'' ''liverpool will take no 19'' doh.gif

Bring on gerrard and spurs.Spurs are due a thumping from us.Let them be the punching bag for our frustrations.

Forgive the strong words but it's the truth.


Just to lower sky high expectations,we have never won there since they were promoted to EPL.So i think it's fair to comment that this trip is tougher than
Emirates earlier.Arsenal was in all time low with lack of transfers,injuries,loss of key players.On the other hand,Stoke are doing really well,unbeaten in the league and gave thun a thrashing in the europa league plus they have strengthened really well in the transfer window with crouch etc.

BUT,if we play our pass and move game we stand a good chance to win icon_rolleyes.gif
Again,our key to this match is the little magician luis suarez.

You dont have anything to say about this posts,but one post out of frustration and you already take out the sword.You maybe older than me,but if you dont give respect then dont expect the same from me icon_rolleyes.gif
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sigh if you were soooooo understanding, why the post in the first place?

That only shows you contradict your own post. so yeah, wateva mate. I definitely did not ask for any respect from you though. to be fair didn't need that much in the first place. sweat.gif

oh yeah, YNWA! thumbup.gif

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post Sep 11 2011, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Sep 11 2011, 10:07 PM)
You should know better not to reply to people's frustrations especially after a defeat like this.I don't reply back to those who are angry and frustrated.
And where did i  contradict my post,i didnt expect us to win 3-0 or 4-0.But as fan at heart,i didnt want defeat and was definitely disappointed with the result.
Yeah continue belittling others and giving indirect insults,you wont get any even if you ask for it. biggrin.gif
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LOL sure mate. seriously stop already. goodluck on keep taking crap from your fellow peers. just learn to handle it ok. it's easy.

YNWA rclxms.gif
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post Sep 11 2011, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(tiSSue_paPer @ Sep 11 2011, 09:51 PM)
10min highlight..

no more bashing please...

fans want to win the match...

i believe every single player in Liverpool squad want to win the game x100..

YNWA..

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Added on September 11, 2011, 9:52 pm


before wanna start bashing..

listen to this song 1st..  icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif
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thanks for the song mate.

it's that song that has kept me up even in the face of taking crap from my fellow peers.

Loving a club and their history is more than just the occasional celebration of winning. it's also about the philosophy and the direction of the club. KD has brought back morale, belief and a sense of belonging that so far no other manager has been able to give. and yes not even Rafa. I don't think i am a super fan, i think i am far from that. i am still humbled by the things i read, the news of the club new and old.

to fans who likes to think that this club is for u to support only when they win, then this is not the club for u. you are looking for a glorified excuse for your jersey over teh weekend, there are plenty of other clubs out there that would not make you feel shameful wearing your jersey or sitting down taking crap from your peers blush.gif

again, YNWA! and yes it's a song to remember, and remember it hard.


Added on September 11, 2011, 10:42 pm
QUOTE(Rotuham @ Sep 11 2011, 10:30 PM)
To say in the king's style,piss off rolleyes.gif
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class mate, pure class smile.gif

YNWA! rclxms.gif

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post Sep 12 2011, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Sep 11 2011, 11:59 PM)
It never is nice to see to Liverpool fans trade insults/names with each other.

Been lurking for a while - wasn't really much that I could contribute... wasn't too bothered about winning or losing actually, perhaps i've calmed down a bit with age or maybe because I am simply glad that we've gone back to doing business the Liverpool way - behind closed doors and not having any real danger from insolvency and its ugly brethens, even if it means that we are still unable to mount a proper title challenge.

Come on old timers - you must surely admit that being also rans back in the spice boys era was more comforting than the tumultuous few seasons before this  whistling.gif 

But I do have a few complaints - although if anyone deserves to be given the benefit of a doubt, it'll be KD. I for one do not think that we have spent all too wisely. Was it necessary to pay over the odds for British talent? We had money, and I doubt that we could not have been able to afford people like Mata. And I do not think that he would have turned us down outright either. It is just that we chose to go for the likes of Henderson and Downing (which I am pleased with, of course laugh.gif). I disagree with the way we have spent our small fortune - could have done with more variety if you ask me.

Case in point - we missed out on that overpriced young defender who ended up at Manchester United, but we later went and signed one of hottest young south american defender for a much smaller fee iinm. The 'replacement' is better than the 'first choice' perhaps. Unless of course if the management had planned to sign them both - now that would have been a different story altogether.
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i love the spice boy era. we were the prettiest looking bunch on the field.. LOL blush.gif

but then again no one could beat underwear model James smile.gif

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post Sep 12 2011, 12:34 AM

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yeah my apologies to all... even men have pms sometimes... mine just hit tongue.gif
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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Sep 12 2011, 08:42 AM)
not a bad performance....very convincing & attacking display but we lose because we cannot convert our chance...luck not on our side...
btw, to calling for carra head its ridiculous. To replace him with someone that so new to this league is so unwise thinking..coates have to be here one or two years first before he can replaced carragher...apart from that, skrtel is queue in front of him.
if reina make a mistake, would you guy call for doni to came out immediately  doh.gif ??
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I think in regards to Carra, many still thinks he should play like a young fast centerback. they expect him to chase down opponents and close them down.

He is everything we hope for in a defensive player but he was never pacy to begin with. He's value was the way he read games, took leadership for the back 4 and is still a iron pillar that most of the defensive player fall back on.

Granted he made a couple of mistakes (one at Bolton and another was a very very soft penalty that would not be given any other day) and some spectacular own goals. But he's value goes beyond just the player being on the pitch. he's ability to command the back 4 is one of the major reasons Kenny needs him on the field.

I know there will come a time for Carra to decide that he will be a back up for a younger more vibrant centerback like Coates (Ko-ah-tess tongue.gif ) . But he's guidance for the young protege will no doubt be invaluable. That is why Liverpool needs him, that is why for now he cannot be replaced in all games and that is why he needs to shake of the minor setbacks and move on with more determination already shown by him for all his service being a faithful Red.

His time will come to step down and maybe all too soon (given fans calling for his "retirement"), but i only pray we will have another figure in either Skrtel, Agger or young Coates to wear the Carra mantle with the same confidence shown by the legend. blush.gif


Added on September 12, 2011, 10:08 am
QUOTE(chenwfng @ Sep 12 2011, 09:52 AM)
The team's mentality is not there. They panic every time they attack and seemed a bit clueless at times. We have firepower now but thin on creativity in the midfield. To tell ya the truth, I felt a little bored when watching them play. Although we had more possession and were more threatening in attack, there were lots of misplaced passes, no fluidity and many mistakes by the team.
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you are right, but this season is about having 3-4 new players that has not played together in a single season to gel, iron our the chinks, go thru a melding process, join in the brotherhood, male-bonding etc etc. (yeah, that was too much).

anyway to be fair its not the lack of creativity i saw. its more like we are spoilt by choice as who to pass, who to take a shot, which side to go - left or right. we had at a few incidents 3-4 in the middle just outside the box being a bit cluttered whether to cross, shoot or dribble in. We need some faster decisions made on the fly then just moping around the mid waiting for the whole team to camp at the opponents box.

it wasn't boring when the team had not played like this kind of attacking football for so many years. I use to sit thru Woy's tactics and that is boring. So far since he left, i sat down with a "wee bit of optimism" and appreciation that i see some real improvements from a squad that everyone including our own fans in many places has written off as a club not worth the support. biggrin.gif

YNWA!


Added on September 12, 2011, 11:03 amJust to share some reading, it's not an excuse but I think it's important to know what the realistic expectations are and hopefully quell some mindless bashing on players that we have gotten this season;

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/844910-...d-to-be-patient?

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