how can u said that??

the game start to be good when only bellamy n carrol comin in but we knew tats abit too late to win

seriously?! were you watching the game or just trolling with your comment?!

it's comments like these that makes me wonder if you guys watched and understood the game and how's it played or just sitting chatting with your friends and look up when your team scores? or maybe worse, looking at the game during the full time overview.

seriously, this threads quality in terms of fans are becoming questionable. sorry to be overly critical on you guys but you're showing me what a ton of hunters that are beginning to show themselves of late. 

Mate, all I know was, yesterday's match it made me believe we are playing like we should minus the "wee bit of unluckiness" that the ball did not end up behind the net. latest read was 23 shots and 73% possession. I don't remember a time when we played any team making that kind of a pressure with more than 4 players flying body, head, hands and feet to defend our shots.

This is not a season to win titles for me. It's a season to get back into the top 4 and watch the "pass and move" I have missed for sooooooo very long.

YNWA!

Agreed with Duke Red, REDShaun n leaF comments...our target this season is only to be in top 4...
n we played as usual yesterday..just that Stoke parked their bus and luck is not on our side..Even King Kenny himself is frustrated.
To all fans here that criticized players and the managers, you should look at the overall of the game. N we critized Carra for his mistake?
Come on man..he's been defending very good throughout the game...
Here is King Kenny comment after the game.

""We would like to be respectful towards referees. I think I have been respectful to referees, but more importantly than being respectful to referees in their campaign it's about having respect for my football club, Liverpool Football Club.

"If I feel they (Liverpool FC) are suffering in any shape of form then maybe I need to go down the same route as some other people go and see if we can get some benefit from that. I'll speak to the owners first and see what they say because the last thing I want is for my behaviour to infringe on the club's success in any way, shape or form."

Total respect for the King.

If you prove you're good enough, you deserve a start, end off. Even the likes of Stevie will have to earn his place in the team. Maybe it's because he epitomises a Liverpool type player to me but I have heaps of respect for our Carra. Fair play if he's getting on a bit but I am somewhat disturbed that some of you talk about discarding him like he's just another name. Heaven forbid that King Kenny should receive the same treatment should we go through a bad patch.

I myself am critical of certain players. I was of Carra long ago when he played in midfield and rightback but Rafa saw what a lot of people didn't, that he would make a good centreback. He has never been known for his passing ability, anyone who has watched him through his entire career like me would know that. When he played defensive midfield for England, opponents would stand off him knowing that passing isn't one of his strengths. Carra has always been known to be a safety first defender. He isn't the most gifted on the ball and he doesn't pretend to be. Wouldn't want him to do a Djimi Traore in front of goal would we? My point is we all already know what he's like. It isn't like he lost the ability to pass over night. He is still very much the same player who put his body on the line to protect our goal in Istanbul. He is still the same player who doesn't go down unless he's really hurt. He is still a fierce and determined competitor. However, he is getting older but this leads me to my next point.

In my opinion, certain players or managers have done so much, they are beyond criticism. If we go through a bad run, will it be fair to criticise King Kenny after all he's done for the club? He is a legend, an immortal and in my books, Carra is a legend as well. I'm sure that he has the grace to step aside when he realises that his presence in the team does more harm than good, such is his love for the club. Yes he makes errors just like any other defender and if he's to be dropped, so be it but let's treat him with the respect he deserves.

Carra will always be a legend Duke but there comes a time where you have to voice your criticism, some may be tad over the top which is completely unnecessary. But the problem with being a legend, to most fans he automatically represents a certain standard that everyone else expects him to uphold. I myself try not to judge players by their reputation but try to look at their perfroamnce through football perspective. When i critize a player i critize on the merits of his performances. Yesterday's match for example was propbably one of the few matches where we could all see Carra's weaknesses overwhelming his strengths. The best of Carra is when we're up against superior teams and when we need to defend like our lives depending on it. He puts his body in line and leads from the back like no other defender. But last nite the team required more from him and that's when he started to look like a sore thumb. Maybe his confident was severely affected after the foul, but the constant hoofing did not help the team at all, especially considering Stoke would combat that kind of tactic all day long if needed be.

@ Duke Red,

Frankly speaking I adored of some comment u wrote. A very positive comment. I hope u dont mind if I shared and post at some FB pages.

It's like what I said earlier though, Carra has always hoofed the ball. If he doesn't have the room, he'll hit it out to the side into row Z. You won't find him trying to side step attacking players attempting to put pressure in him. Also, why only single him out? What not pick on the attacking players for missing opportunities as well? It's because he made one error and like keepers, one error is all that's needed for you to be crucified. Suarez can miss 10 opportunities, score a belter and no one would remember the sitters he's missed.

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Added on September 11, 2011, 5:22 pm

Of course.

Here's proof that you can be tuned into the same channel but watching a totally different game. When Bellamy and Carroll came on, Stoke were already defending their lead, hence they played deeper, pressed less and invited us on to them. It's football 101 and many teams do this late in the game when they are winning. Therefore it gives you the impression that we pressing them back by playing awesome football.
Precisely. I'm wondering where some people got the impression that we were going for the title this season. Suddenly all of what John Henry said about building a winning team for the long term has been forgotten. If you ask me if I would rather he just spend aimlessly and buy us success, I'd give you an emphatic "no!". I like what Fenway group are doing. We've signed a much more lucrative deal with Standard Chartered and have secured a massive deal with Warrior as kit sponsors. Things are finally moving forward. I just wish that people would look at the bigger picture and have a better understanding of what's going on in the club. For that to happen however, one needs to read even if this stuff seems boring.

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Added on September 11, 2011, 4:06 pm

Hope you had a good Raya bro. We need to meet up for a game again soon

seriously, I am totally sick of hearing this tune from the "younger" fans. Can't take the heat, go get the glory you deserve with another team. it's easy, just go buy a jersey, switch sides and you will not need to take crap anymore. 

we had 18 shots on target, 10 corners and we had most of the possession. If that is not positive, I have no idea what would please you guys. if winning is all you care for, then this is not the team for you. 

Sometimes we will have to learn to take the positives from the game even when we are losing to a side that we had cowered into defending 11 man behind the box. Read the stats, Britannia stadium is not easy to break down. We played the previous 4 games (3 draws and 1 lost) that speaks volumes in terms of their football. if you bothered to look into it, it was a tough test for us. When Hodgson.. OMFG, was around, we won't even be closed to that stats let alone have a chance at winning it. We tried all the way and it wasn't like we gave up, even till the last whistle we were pressing them. Some games are going to be like that and you expect an easy game with a bus parked in their box? Do you even understand what you were watching?

Stoke defended well, we were a bit hard done by a soft penalty and we were more or less not given one with a handball. we had misses but I for one have no complaints over our performance. We lost, we move on. It was a great team performance but as luck would have it, our shots did not end up behind the net.

Please don't bother replying this as it would just show the immaturity of fans like you to continue to whine over 1 lost and to a team like Stoke who are there to play us down with the way they defended. Again let me remind any fans that deems we did badly tonight, go switch colors because I have not been that excited to see so much action from a team that started out so differently from last season. 

There's nothing wrong with clearing the ball from danger. It's when he hoofs when we were in possession. There were times when we were parked in Stoke's half and i was practically hoping that they wouldn't pass it to Carra because he would just hoof it away. Fair enough he's a defender and taking part in a build up is not one of his priority, but when we're pressing and chasing a goal, it only takes one player to stuff an entire play. As i've said before, i can forgive and forget the error that cost us but it's the way he plays that i have issues with. He stopped hoofing last season when Kenny came in, but lately he's back to his old self and this is something he needs to work on - legend or not. I'm not asking him to be replaced but i'm just saying there are some part in his game that really irks me.

Nothing wrong with him being replaced if we have a better option. Knowing Carra (though not personally), he'd be willing to be benched for the betterment of the team. I don't disagree that it gets frustrating when he hoofs the ball but he is limited, we all know that. I don't however agree that he is solely to blame for our defeat last night as some have quite eloquently pointed out.

When you speak like this,the younger generation are turned off from your team.Then it's no wonder why they are opting for chelsea,arsenal and manu.I didnt say we would win the league,if u read my post before the game,i was lowering down expectations.Please dont preach the ''i m a better fan than you'' attitude.It stinks.

There was nothing new in what i saw,everything same to what everyone witnessed in 08-09 season.I still remember,the draw with stoke at anfield was one the reasons why we lost the league.Stoke's style is set that way.You cant change that.They play like that all the time.Dont give excuses that you are playing against 10men defence.If no top four team comes away with a win from stoke then i will apologise to you.You all want us to be the in the top four.I say this result is not good enough.What separates the top four and the rest is being a able to scrap a result even when you have a off day.Sorry to say liverpool are still not that stage yet,let alone be champions.

dont write off yet. Let Man Utd, City, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea play stoke 1st. then we will see where we should stand. We were on par with Man Utd, if we take Bolton as a benchmark

We have every right to feel frustrated, like Downing said. Do take into consideration what we done on summer transfer, and where we are heading to this season.

In your opinion then, what was wrong with how we played last night? Yes some of our passing went awry but we still created enough chances to have taken the game had we been more clinical in the final third of the pitch. Forget the missed attempts from Suarez and Henderson. How many times did desperate defending from the likes of Shawcross, Upson and Huth foil us? They were throwing themselves in front of the ball when we took aim at goal. The fans were singing Huth's name and Shawcross was named MOM. What does this tell you? I'm no genius but if you couple this with the fact that we dominated possession and had way more shots on goal, it tells me Stoke defended well.

Did King Kenny promise the title this season? Here's where I feel fans delude themselves into thinking the team will challenge each season just because of a couple of new signings. King Kenny hasn't even been in charge for a full season yet. This season has just begun and suddenly some people forget how he salvaged a miserable season for us last term with a string of good results.[COLOR=red]

Yes we aren't winning all our games but it isn't like we didn't create the chances to have done so. What matters now isn't that we win every game as good as that would be, but that we continue to play well and create chances which we have bar the Sunderland game.

One bad result and it's doom and gloom all over again. Are you telling me you don't see any positives? Young players coming through the ranks. Healthy financial standing. New stadium looming. Expansion into Asian markets. John Henry has said that it will take years to build a successful side and he isn't going for the instant success formula. He's invested in us for the long term. Fans should look to the long term and not put words into the gaffers mouth by claiming we should be going for the title. It's a bonus, not an obligation.

When you speak like this,the younger generation are turned off from your team.Then it's no wonder why they are opting for chelsea,arsenal and manu.I didnt say we would win the league,if u read my post before the game,i was lowering down expectations.Please dont preach the ''i m a better fan than you'' attitude.It stinks.

There was nothing new in what i saw,everything same to what everyone witnessed in 08-09 season.I still remember,the draw with stoke at anfield was one the reasons why we lost the league.Stoke's style is set that way.You cant change that.They play like that all the time.Dont give excuses that you are playing against 10men defence.If no top four team comes away with a win from stoke then i will apologise to you.You all want us to be the in the top four.I say this result is not good enough.What separates the top four and the rest is being a able to scrap a result even when you have a off day.Sorry to say liverpool are still not that stage yet,let alone be champions.

this is your post:

Same thing every season.Liverpool lose away to teams like stoke and draw sunderland at home.Then when we play against man utd,we raise our game and play with full spirit for 90minutes.I swear to you this is tiring and sickening.Same old plot for the 10years or so supporting liverpool.The older supporters have witnessed us winning the league but you have to pity the younger ones like me who are subject to crap from man united,chelsea and arsenal fans over the years.

I don't even need to prove or show if I am a better fan than you are. your post tells me what kind of a fan you are. you just want the team to win so you can be up there with the "winning teams" so that you don't have to be a subject to crap of the other teams your peers support. for me your solution is simple. go join their bandwagon. it's easy, solves your problem and you don't even need to post your frustration in this thread.

I know a lot of younger fans who are more dedicated and watch football for what it is. instead of feeling the subject of crap from their peers who supports other teams they learn to understand what the club is doing and find out more if it was truly a bad performance. sigh, like i said, please don't reply this, it just makes you look more of a "lousy than me fan" without me needing to point it out to you.

so yeah, YNWA 

Yeah sorry superfan.I might not be good as you but your arrogance will not stand you in good stead.
And who are you to tell me who i should i support?Mind your own business.You really are putting words into my mouth