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 Working in Australia, Experiences working in Australia.

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kwh1989
post Feb 18 2013, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(Alvin330000421 @ Feb 15 2013, 12:51 PM)
Just want to ask, your surveying job is it in Malaysia or Australia?

If you haven't been to Australia, well sorry, I am not trying to scare you. My advice to you is to try, at least (touch wood) good or bad, at end of day, you tried.

Bad apples or good apples, I know one particular friend who is a lawyer, I don't think he is a bad apple, but from his story of mistreatment he had at an Australian law firm really made me feel utterly bad at the way Aussie employers treat asian workers. Hopefully this is just a one-off incident.

Well, that is why I am checking it out to see if this all is true. So Konichiwa has made his point but his last point - too bad, he could have said more.

Thats because Western Digital is MNC. WHat about the story of KTM needing RM7billion to revitalise its biz? KTM has been making losses since 1995, yet no retrenchment.
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I have a Malaysian friend, working as a commercial lawyer in training in Melbourne, for a local firm. He is the only Asian, and he enjoys it there.

Not the brightest friend I have, but the one that knows how to socialize and blend into their culture.
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post Feb 18 2013, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(bysquashy @ Feb 16 2013, 05:20 AM)
Guys, he's a typical whinger. I think even if he's in heaven, he'll whinge that it's too quiet there.

The only reason I kept replying previously was to avoid others to think what he said is true.

To others reading this, a lot of us ARE living and working here; we know first hand what is it like here. He likes to sensationalize isolated cases. All the "stories" that he shared can be reported to Fair Work and Fair Work will come down on the employer so hard that they don't know what hit them.
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Yupp, totally agreed with both your points. If anyone else is interested in knowing more about working in Australia, I strongly suggest you talk to people who are actually in Australia and have real life experiences rather than stories from someone who isn't even here. What more stories belonging to other people.
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post Feb 20 2013, 07:40 PM

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Hello. I am a Pharmacist working in Perth, Western Aus. Just dropping by to say hi. Feel free to ask me about Pharmacy in Australia. Will be more than glad to help you.

p/s: Im Malaysian of course. Or else why am I in LYF
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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Feb 15 2013, 08:13 PM)
IT is in demand now. My friend just get employed recently by the employer in Oz. LAst year the whole family just move over.
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QUOTE(static @ Feb 16 2013, 10:54 AM)
It is, actually. Unfortunately, my job is specialized and can only work in banks, bummer... We have been trying to hire someone for this MIS reporting role, their resumes were IMPRESSIVE, but once we made them take a basic SQL test, all of them failed  blink.gif  yawn.gif Just to join 2 basic tables! LOL.
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IT as a whole or specific roles?
i'm trying to get a job there but hasn't had much luck
ok, the lack of PR and aust degree would be the main reason why i'm not getting picked
Oh it doesn't help that i'm not skilled in a very specific area e.g. network,database sad.gif

but still, should i continue searching or just give up all together?
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post Feb 21 2013, 09:06 AM

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without PR and not in Australia, your chances are very very low..
unless your skills is in demand..

QUOTE(siowgirl @ Feb 21 2013, 08:57 AM)
IT as a whole or specific roles?
i'm trying to get a job there but hasn't had much luck
ok, the lack of PR and aust degree would be the main reason why i'm not getting picked
Oh it doesn't help that i'm not skilled in a very specific area e.g. network,database sad.gif

but still, should i continue searching or just give up all together?
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Nemesis1980
post Feb 21 2013, 01:41 PM

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I did research on what is the reason Oz employer not employing based on following reason:-
1) No PR
2) No Aust. degree
3) Resume not attractive (must 3 page only)
4) Cover letter rubbish
5) Too straight, not social enough??

Anyone please give any other reason for our reference purposes?
Stefanov
post Feb 21 2013, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Feb 21 2013, 01:41 PM)
I did research on what is the reason Oz employer not employing based on following reason:-
1) No PR
2) No Aust. degree
3) Resume not attractive (must 3 page only)
4) Cover letter rubbish
5) Too straight, not social enough??

Anyone please give any other reason for our reference purposes?
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for which industry, nem?
generally or overall, cause I did saw some engineer holds local degree, but they did postgraduate on one of the AU uni.
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post Feb 21 2013, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Feb 21 2013, 01:41 PM)
I did research on what is the reason Oz employer not employing based on following reason:-
1) No PR
2) No Aust. degree
3) Resume not attractive (must 3 page only)
4) Cover letter rubbish
5) Too straight, not social enough??
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Not hiring is too far ahead, most people aren't even called or shortlisted for interviews. If you're called for an interview then you've done better than 98% of applicants already biggrin.gif

Not having an australian phone number may be one possibility.


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post Feb 21 2013, 05:28 PM

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Ok, let me edit abit.

1) No PR
2) No Aust. degree
3) Resume not attractive (must 3 page only)
4) Cover letter rubbish
5) Too straight, not social enough??
6) Without Ozzie add & phone no.
7) Without transportation
8) Without local driving license?

What ever industry, Telco, banking, construction or any industry.
I think your comment will help those who're in their occupation.
Mind to share?
bysquashy
post Feb 21 2013, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Feb 21 2013, 01:41 PM)
I did research on what is the reason Oz employer not employing based on following reason:-
1) No PR
2) No Aust. degree
3) Resume not attractive (must 3 page only)
4) Cover letter rubbish
5) Too straight, not social enough??

Anyone please give any other reason for our reference purposes?
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6) Poor English on resume
7) No local experience

I'm trying to fill 2 headcounts in my team now. Just to give a rough idea, my company has around 4000 staff supporting Australia's operation and a Fortune 500 company.

Typically we receive 500 resumes for every job posting and this is sequence we use to short list the candidate:
a) Pre-screening question
b) Citizen/PR
c) Review resume/cover letter
d) Phone interview
e) F2F interview
f) 2nd F2F interview
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post Feb 21 2013, 06:43 PM

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I think you don't need to be australia grad to get a job there.. just read up more on their culture and be aware of what's happening over there.. for example if you meet recruiters/interviewers, make some small talk after the "formal" session is over. That would make ppl remember you, haf a good impression, and also show that you are comfortable communicating and talking to ppl.

Cover letters are so so so important. It is said that western countries look at your cover letter first, then your CV (which typically should be 2 pages, and brief). I heard of a story before as well someone sent in their resume in a SHOE!! just to make their CV noticeable, out of the stack of hundreds of CVs lying on the employers' tables.

Please also proof read your cover letter and CV. One typo or mistake and you are out! So ask ppl to help read thru as well. English is very important!

These are job application skills that many of us malaysians don't have.. bcoz our system is so different....
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post Feb 21 2013, 06:50 PM

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You are talking rubbish. OZ companies were recuiting Canadians workers(both blue and white collars) for the last 3 years thru Working in OZ job fairs. Interested applicants must be Canadian citizens and educated, 5 or more years experience(novice need not apply). They can drop off their resume and meet and talked to industries reps who basically pre screen/vetting potential applicants on the spot. So #1 2 6 7 and 8 can be thrown into the rubbish bin



QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Feb 21 2013, 05:28 PM)
Ok, let me edit abit.

1) No PR
2) No Aust. degree
3) Resume not attractive (must 3 page only)
4) Cover letter rubbish
5) Too straight, not social enough??
6) Without Ozzie add & phone no.
7) Without transportation
8) Without local driving license?


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post Feb 21 2013, 08:11 PM

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Finding a job in Oz is not as easy as in Malaysia. Each cover letter needs to be tailored for each application. You would need to put in effort in your resume (precise and brief). In fact, your cover letter needs to strike a deep impression in order for you to just get shortlisted by recruiter or employer. After that, you would need to communicate fluently in English and able to express your opinion accurately.

My spouse went through the entire job seeking process. She has to modify her resume several times and write cover letter for every single application before having someone replying to her application. rclxub.gif
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post Feb 21 2013, 11:15 PM

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I work in Westpac in SG and I can confirm that many aussies are relocating or looking out of Australia for work becuase the bank is in the process of offshoring alot of non-core, non-revenue dept overseas.
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post Feb 21 2013, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(naleh33 @ Feb 21 2013, 08:11 PM)
Finding a job in Oz is not as easy as in Malaysia. Each cover letter needs to be tailored for each application. You would need to put in effort in your resume (precise and brief). In fact, your cover letter needs to strike a deep impression in order for you to just get shortlisted by recruiter or employer. After that, you would need to communicate fluently in English and able to express your opinion accurately.

My spouse went through the entire job seeking process. She has to modify her resume several times and write cover letter for every single application before having someone replying to her application.  rclxub.gif
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If you did that in Malaysia or anywhere else in the world then you'd get much better jobs, not the typical run of the mill jobs everyone else gets. Don't follow the crowd, lead it.


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post Feb 21 2013, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(Mirror_man @ Feb 21 2013, 06:43 PM)
I think you don't need to be australia grad to get a job there.. just read up more on their culture and be aware of what's happening over there.. for example if you meet recruiters/interviewers, make some small talk after the "formal" session is over.  That would make ppl remember you, haf a good impression, and also show that you are comfortable communicating and talking to ppl.

Cover letters are so so so important.  It is said that western countries look at your cover letter first, then your CV (which typically should be 2 pages, and brief).  I heard of a story before as well someone sent in their resume in a SHOE!! just to make their CV noticeable, out of the stack of hundreds of CVs lying on the employers' tables.

Please also proof read your cover letter and CV.  One typo or mistake and you are out!  So ask ppl to help read thru as well.  English is very important!

These are job application skills that many of us malaysians don't have.. bcoz our system is so different....
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It's not the Malaysian system that's different, it's the mentality. I find that the typical Malaysian manager hires the typical worker that looks/acts at a bit lower level than them because they're afraid that the new worker will be better than them and the manager gets fired.

The atypical manager hires someone better than them so that the new worker can take over the manager's old role and the manager can go to bigger and better roles.

If you apply to the good jobs in Malaysia all of the cover letter and CV rules apply as well. These are jobs in management consulting or PE/VC or investment banking etc.

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QUOTE(tishaban @ Feb 21 2013, 11:39 PM)
It's not the Malaysian system that's different, it's the mentality. I find that the typical Malaysian manager hires the typical worker that looks/acts at a bit lower level than them because they're afraid that the new worker will be better than them and the manager gets fired.

The atypical manager hires someone better than them so that the new worker can take over the manager's old role and the manager can go to bigger and better roles.

If you apply to the good jobs in Malaysia all of the cover letter and CV rules apply as well. These are jobs in management consulting or PE/VC or investment banking etc.
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In my line of job, we need people with highly specialized skills. It's impossible for me to have the depth of knowledge that my team members have. On specific tasks, I'm sure my team members can do a better job than I can.
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post Feb 22 2013, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(annielee @ Aug 31 2011, 11:14 AM)
PR visa cost is A$2960 as at now..i still remembered when i applied, its only A$2k..:-)
in MY will be more than that i guess..

During my time..
Visa -> A$2k (its A$2960 now)
IELTS -> RM510
Medicals -> RM150
PCC -> RM20
Skills assessment -> A$300

Now, you need to check for the updated fees...and also factor in agent fees is you are engaging one..
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Skill assessment fees could be different for different occupations no?
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does it makes easier to get employed in the land of oz if i had the following:-

1. past 6 months engagement in oz
2. working permit 4 year duration

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post Feb 22 2013, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(supercolossal @ Feb 22 2013, 09:29 AM)
Skill assessment fees could be different for different occupations no?
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Definitely. You have to check your occupation authorised assessment body to verify that.

The visa fees = AUD 2960
Agent = AUD 3240
Medical = RM 230 (adults), RM 150 (children) = Total for my family = RM 760 (2 adults,2 children)
Skill assessment = AUD 200
IELTS = RM 550
Translation = FOC
Police check = RM 30

Total cost = RM 21820 or AUD 6700

Air ticket whole family = RM 3200 (luckily it's AAsia)

Yeah, it's a big bleeding portion not even getting there yet. rclxub.gif

Need to save more money to burn for job hunting, renting & food...

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