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konichiwawa
post Oct 21 2011, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(White Knight @ Oct 20 2011, 11:02 PM)
Bro, thanks for sharing.

Btw if you look back at my previous comment posted today at 10:58am, I said give me a reliable source , not from you or the media. Unfortunately the source you gave me is from the media, AsiaOne News....is it a Singaporean media? I guess it must be a S'porean media.
Due to press freedom policy, the media can always blow an issue out of proportion & exaggerate the whole issue. Singaporean media & politicians are known to paint a bad picture about Malaysia (don't get me wrong, I am not supportive of the current Msian govt). One good example was the comments / bad mouth from the S'pore govt about Malaysia being leaked by Wilkileaks owned by Julian Asange. It left the S'porean govt red-faced & had lots of explanation to make to the M'sian govt.

Just fyi, Australian politicians would never make a comment about any articles published by the media. It's because due to press freedom, the media can write whatever they want to write regardless whether the articles are true, partly true or not true at all. The media can simply make up any story just to add more spice to it. The aust politicians if being asked by reporters to comment on any media articles, they always give the same answer "This news is from the media, I don't want to comment".  

So come back to your link which was based from an unreliable media source. It says "Under Malaysian Law, those staying in the country illegally are subject to mandatory 6 lashes of cane, fine and up to 5 years in jail". Unfortunately it didn't tell the whole picture and maybe this is the way of their propaganda against Malaysia.

The truth is this penalty only applies to those WHO UNLAWFULLY RETURN TO MALAYSIA AFTER REMOVAL . The law didn't even mention the penalties to those who enter Malaysia illegally for the first time. It's obvious their particulars will be taken down & will be deported back immediately.

Also under the Malaysian Immigration law, those WHO UNLAWFULLY RETURN TO MALAYSIA AFTER REMOVAL, the penalties are:-
1) fine not exceeding RM10,000 OR
2) imprisonment not exceeding 5 yrs or both and 6 strokes of cane

Here's the link for you to see http://www.lawyerment.com.my/library/doc/i...1000000-6.shtml
The above is a reliable link taken from the immigration law library & NOT from media. Remember it didn't mention any penalties for first time offenders   

The AsiaOne News article also mentioned a London based group (but didn't say which group, they could be making up story again) said 34,943 whipping cases carried out for immigration offences between 2002 & 2008. Are they making up story again? first they didn't say which London group & secondly where the heck they get such an accurate figure of 34,943? do the prison authorities released that figures to them? or they just pick from the sky? Nobody knows how true it is.

Please do me a favour, congratulate AsiaOne News for succesfully exercising the freedom of press policy for giving a half but not fully misleading articles to the public.


Added on October 20, 2011, 11:08 pm
Bro, hope you don't mind if I ask you one personal question. Why you want to come to Australia? isn't S'pore good enough for you?
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Lol such a heated debate. I'm doing this purely from a factual stand-point and I'm not trying to degrade you in anyway but I believe you are wrong. Malaysia Laws on Immigration Act clearly states:-

Control of entry into Malaysia
6. (1) No person other than a citizen shall enter Malaysia unless—
(a) he is in possession of a valid Entry Permit lawfully issued to him under section 10;
(b) his name is endorsed upon a valid Entry Permit in accordance with section 12, and he is in the company of the holder of the Permit;
© he is in possession of a valid Pass lawfully issued to him to enter Malaysia; or
(d) he is exempted from this section by an order made under section 55.

(3) Any person who contravenes subsection (1) shall be guilty of an offence and shall, on conviction, be liable to a fine not exceeding ten thousand ringgit or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years or to both, and shall also be liable to whipping of not more than six strokes.


The link is here Immigration Act under Part II Section 6 (page 11). Hope this clears that up =) I agree with you that the media is completely overplaying the article and there is a HUGE difference between mandatory whipping versus "shall also be liable". That is completely factually inaccurate.

On a separate note, I find most Australians aren't racist and are generally friendly. But I've had friends who were racially abused when they were in uni here previously. There are bad eggs everywhere, don't let some racist bogans affect Malaysian's preception of Aussies.

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post Aug 23 2012, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(TSOM @ Aug 11 2012, 04:09 PM)
Well, I think it won't be more expensive than living in the UK.
I'm not looking for jobs that pay per hour, I'm looking for full time, graduate jobs. I'm thinking of going there on a holiday visa (skip the hassle of applying for working holiday visa), and while renting a place to stay for perhaps 3 months, concentrating totally on job hunting. Then once got job offer, apply for work permit. I just don't know if that's legal, but this is how it works in Europe. Thinking of living on a student budget like RM 3k per month, so can get ready ±RM 10k to spend over 3 months in Australia.

The sad thing is I've no friends/families living in Australia. sad.gif
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Dude, let's keep it real ok?

1. I know you want to come here on a visitor's pass while looking for a job. Yes, it's legal as long as you do not work. But do you know that (A) economy in Australia isn't great so companies are down sizing and not really employing (B) there are probably 5 other people who can do the same job as you do but with Australian PR/citizenship, why should they go through the hassle of getting you an Australia work visa when they can get 1 of them instead?

2. RM 3k per month = AUD 1k per month. Even if you share a room, I'll give it to you that you manage to find a place with $150 per week. A month that's $650. More than half your budget gone. Public transportation isn't exactly cheap for you to get around the city, what more business districts outside of the city centre. Cost of living in Australia is high. There's no RM 3.5 chap fan here. Let me give you best case scenario, budget $350 leftover divided by 30 days ok? You have $11.67 per day left on your budget besides rental. Split that by 2 meals you have less than $6 per meal. Possible, yes but definitely not very feasible.

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post Aug 23 2012, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(Mirror_man @ Aug 23 2012, 01:03 PM)
I think you can only do odd jobs on working holiday visa... heard Malaysia allocation is finished until July 2013.
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Then you think wrong. You can work full-time on a working holiday visa but maximum contract period per employer is 6 months.
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post Aug 23 2012, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(Mirror_man @ Aug 23 2012, 01:18 PM)
Hahaha technically you are correct but companies won't hire you on contract basis... unless their projects really short term... or maybe you are IT..
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I have 1 friend in the advertising industry work for 2 separate employers during her 1 year working holiday visa. I also have another friend who is a civil engineer work 6 months for his employer while on a working holiday visa and then the employer applied for him a Work Visa after that.

Again, you are wrong. Please stop trying to share "advice" when you don't know about them. There's nothing worse than sharing wrong information to people.
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post Aug 23 2012, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(Mirror_man @ Aug 23 2012, 01:34 PM)
Wow don't be so offended my friend.. you got lucky friends, i got unlucky friends... so what's WRONG about sharing my side of the story?

I said technically you are correct, but practically not many companies offer temp positions... i never said you CAN'T work in the professional field ok?

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There's nothing wrong with sharing your experience. The problem is you didn't share your experience. Instead all you said was:

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"but companies won't hire you on contract basis"


If you had said "based on experience, my friends who were here on working holiday visas couldn't get a job" or something along those lines, it's perfectly understandable. But by stating what you said, it's more like a matter of fact than it was a sharing of experience. I will agree that MOST companies will probably not prefer working holiday visa employees but I'm just sharing that it's not impossible.
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post Aug 23 2012, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(Mirror_man @ Aug 23 2012, 01:50 PM)
Hahaha you quote partial of my sentence only leh... what about the latter half?? go read it again please..

Anyway sorry to upset you lah.. just forget it.. forum is about sharing information.. dun like it just ignore it..  cool2.gif
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But not sharing wrong information.

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Hahaha technically you are correct but companies won't hire you on contract basis... unless their projects really short term... or maybe you are IT..


Neither of my friends were on short term projects. They were both full time jobs no project based and neither were IT. All I'm saying is that if you want to share experience, please by all means share. It's great to share it with other people on the forum. On top of that, share your opinion by all means. However, if you want to make a statement of fact, then make sure it's accurate.

Edit: Apologies if I sounded harsh. No harm no foul. Cheers!

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post Aug 23 2012, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(darkhorse_86 @ Aug 23 2012, 02:38 PM)
State sponsorship : It makes up for the points, but one thing that you must bear in mind, is that you would have to work in that state. It's not that flexible compared to the normal PR.
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State sponsorship and the new Skill Select are pretty similar now. Both require you to get a state who is in need of your occupation. So you don't really have a choice of where you want to work anymore.
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post Aug 24 2012, 07:08 AM

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QUOTE(mark @ Aug 23 2012, 08:06 PM)
that's what i heard apparently, that the higher the points, the better. as for the state sponsorship, if i'm not mistaken, the agent doesn't make any money from it. so how did you get your agent to do it for rm750? is there any website i can see to find what the standard price is supposed to be if i apply by myself?
funny thing is, my agent says that state sponsorship no longer requires one to work for 2 years in the nominated state. so apparently, all i have to do is pay for the state sponsorship and i can still work anywhere i want. anyone can confirm this? sounds weird to me.
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http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/

All state sponsored (visa 176) and general skilled migration (visa 175) PR has moved to Skill Select (http://www.immi.gov.au/skills/skillselect/). Under the new Skill Select there are still a few options.

Visa 189 replaces the old GSM (visa 175). You still need to get nominated to be able to apply for PR but you are not required to state in any specific state.

Visa 190 replaces the old state sponsorship (visa 176). You need to stay for 2 years in the nominated territory/state.

Both costs AUD3060.


Added on August 24, 2012, 7:15 am
QUOTE(ysc @ Aug 23 2012, 10:24 PM)
Actually I think I'm eligible as long as I get that 60 points. The 2 years study thing has been changed and now contributes 5 points instead of being a requirement. The only thing is that, I would need an IELTS of 8 to get 60 points.

It still is a requirement for graduate visa though.
When your friends applied for PR? Was it recently?
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If I'm not wrong you do require 2 years of studying in Australia.

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To be awarded points for the Australian Study requirement you must have completed one or more degrees, diplomas or trade qualifications for award by an Australian educational institution as a result of a course or courses:

    that are registered courses
    that were completed in a total of at least 16 calendar months
    that were completed as a result of a total of at least two academic years study


Found on this website (http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-ski...-aust-study.htm)

Hope this helps.

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post Aug 24 2012, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(victoria_lucas @ Aug 24 2012, 08:55 AM)
My husband just got his PR last month. We went with spouse visa route, and he got it within 2 months.

We did the application ourselves, and cost around RM 6.6k smile.gif Now planning the big move for early next year.
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Congrats and good luck! Let me know if you need any information if you are coming to Sydney =)
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post Aug 24 2012, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(ysc @ Aug 24 2012, 09:50 AM)
As referring to http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-ski...-table-grad.htm

Study Requirement is now under POINTS, no more under Basic Eligibility Req
Therefore, studying at Aus for 2 years just gives an additional 5 points. It is not a requirement.  biggrin.gif
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Ah fair enough. But would the 5 points be critical on meeting the 65 points requirement? Are you able to get 65 points without that?
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post Aug 24 2012, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(ysc @ Aug 24 2012, 12:30 PM)
I've never taken an IELTS test before, so I really don't know the standard of my English.

For someone who has taken IELTS: How hard is it? How would you rate an average Malaysian's English level on the 9-point IELTS scale?
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I just took my General IELTS and I have got 8.5. But then again, English is my first language. Another friend of mine is Chinese educated and his English is decent, he got a 8.5 too (which is a little surprising). Yet another friend whose first language is English too scored an 8.

Honestly, I don't think it's too difficult. I did mine in Australia though. Average Malaysian's English I would say is around 7.5-8. Just cut down on the "lahs" and "mahs" etc during speaking exams.
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post Aug 24 2012, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(ysc @ Aug 24 2012, 01:03 PM)
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When you say decent, do you mean no grammatical or spelling errors at all in day-to-day speaking & writing?
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Yeah. Well, everyone makes grammatical/spelling errors once in awhile. I think it's perfectly understandable. But if you are asking specifically about my friend, he still makes common grammar errors like past/present/future tense mistakes.

The only 2 tests which test on your grammar and/or spelling would be the speaking and written tests. The listening and comprehension tests are straight forward as long as you pay attention and don't make silly mistakes.


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QUOTE(victoria_lucas @ Aug 24 2012, 01:13 PM)
I've never done IELTS before. I got my PR 10 years ago under General Skilled Migration category, when it was so much easier than now.
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10 years ago. Meaning right after uni? They had the graduate PR scheme. It indeed was a lot easier then.
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post Aug 30 2012, 07:38 AM

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QUOTE(mark @ Aug 24 2012, 06:36 PM)
I think I'm applying for Visa 189. But my agent says I should get a state sponsorship with that visa, apparently it'll increase my chances. I don't even know if that makes any sense. And they're charging me AUD1200 for that. Really unsure where that figure comes from.

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And regarding IELTS, I did mine in British Council Malaysia. If you register online, you get a free online course so you can get acquainted with the format. I scored an 8 (I'm a native English speaker). I did find that the test was pretty tricky though.
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Maybe it's AUD1200 for their services on top of the standard application fee.

IELTS is a little tricky, but shouldn't be a problem if you pay attention.
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post Dec 6 2012, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Dec 5 2012, 10:24 AM)
Melbourne is considerable but not sydney. Housing price is unbearable.
Well, I'm sticking with my purposes of going australia is to raise my children with quality time with them.
Sydney is a huge city which yeah lots of job opportunities. However, not the type of life i want. If heading there is with KL no difference.
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Ok let me say something.

1. You said housing prices in Sydney is unbearable but did you know cost of living in Perth is equally as high if not higher?
2. Melbourne is also a huge city. I honestly think in terms of competitiveness, Sydney and Melbourne are generally the same. If you want a slower lifestyle, Adelaide and Brisbane might be a better option. With redundancies going on everywhere in Australia now, it's competitive EVERYWHERE.
3. Don't take this personally but you need to improve your English before you go to Australia. You have very broken written English and I would assume your spoken English would be worse. Australians tend to look down on foreigners who don't speak proper English. It's harsh but it's the truth here.
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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Dec 6 2012, 01:36 PM)
why thank you for your comment and feedback. i tend to write as simple as i can.
1) Yes i know Perth is experiencing inflation in past few years. Mining has done alot on that.
2) I think job opportunity 1st then only choose which city to settle. Adelaide is good but activity bit slow. Brissy sounds good
3) Oh yah. my broken engrish making me unusual and unique lar i guess. IELTS still manage band 7 lor... rclxm9.gif (no offend...hehe)
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Not even in the past few years. It's more or less been up there with Melbourne and Sydney in terms of cost of living all along. But yes, the recent mining boom has definitely taken its toll on them.

Yes, you are right to let job opportunities dictate where you will settle down. If you get a job in Brissy then just head there. If you get a job in Orange then just go. That's the best suggestion for you at the moment if you plan to migrate to Australia for good.

Hahaha unfortunately, broken English is not unusual or even unique in Australia. Let's just say that if you didn't score at least a 7 on your IELTS, you shouldn't even come to Australia. Hahaha. By the way, it's no "offence". =)
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post Dec 17 2012, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Dec 7 2012, 09:38 PM)
I go to Mandarin Oriental KLCC and I can enjoy my cuppa with nice views of the city and its quiet.
You just need to fork out smtg like RM 20-30 for a cuppa.
If you have money, no problem
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Really? A cup of coffee @ MO KLCC is RM20-30? You've got to be joking. Show receipt or menu if not, you are definitely trolling.


Added on December 17, 2012, 11:20 am
QUOTE(annielee @ Dec 14 2012, 06:03 PM)
only the rent will kill you, other expenses is still considered alright..
as long as you are earning Oz$, you will be fine..
buying power here is high..
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Nopp, I disagree. In general; everything is expensive in Australia. Not only rental. Electricity is super expensive now with the stupid carbon tax rubbish. Petrol price has been steadily increasing. Sales tax in Australia makes everything expensive, hence I buy most stuff online unless it's the big items. Tax is definitely very high too. Food and all aren't cheap either. I can't think of a single thing in Australia that's cheap. Cost of living in SG so much lower.

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post Dec 17 2012, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Dec 17 2012, 01:11 PM)
Fully agreed on this, I was in sydney for 2 years and the rental is extremely high. 2 bedroom apartment (non luxurious) at downtown will cost you 550 - 600/week. The rest i think is ok, food & clothing and some IT gadgets it think still reasonable. In the sense of dollar to dollar, I guess if you want to own a house, i think you still can buy a property within 30 km radius to city with 600k to 800k budget.
Compare to malaysia, this is totally different stories. A house could easily shoot up to 2mil to 3mil.
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Check out Australian forums. No one thinks that clothing and IT gadgets are reasonable. So many people are buying from Amazon, eBay and online stores now. Fact is that taxes for retailers in Australia is ever so high and the brick and mortar retailers are struggling because things are so much cheaper from Europe and America.

I think you need to be corrected. If you want to buy a UNIT within 30km radius to the city, $600k-800k is ok; not a house. A house at that price will probably be in a suburb that you don't want to live in (e.g. Punchbowl) or with poor public transportation (e.g. no trains). You will struggle to find a decent house in a decent suburb for $800k these days.
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QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Dec 18 2012, 12:11 AM)
Yes, really. Unfortunately I don't snap pictures of receipt for the once in a very blue moon that i go drink cofee in MO. But if you agree to reimburse me for the cuppa, I'm more than pleased to show you  biggrin.gif
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LOL! Fair enough. Go again and snap a photo. I really cannot believe a cup of coffee is RM20. That's CRAZY!!


Added on December 18, 2012, 6:28 am
QUOTE(hihihehe @ Dec 17 2012, 06:41 PM)
nothing is cheap if you convert to malaysia ringgit. if you earn in australia, you can easily afford most of the stuff especially electronics. you can purchase sony 55" led tv for about $1500 but i don't think you can get the same model in malaysia for RM5k

also, you need to save your salary for 2 or 3 months to get the damn tv but only fortnight in australia(with fresh graduate average salary )

but the housing and electricity cost are not joking. expensive and will keep on increasing. large brick & mortars also pushing government to put GST on the item that over cost $500 in oversea shopping


Added on December 17, 2012, 6:44 pm
australian like to compare the price to US/europe just like malaysian too.  i bought lot of things from oversea too(thanks to ozbargain) but the warranty is the major concern(although i never had any issues)
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Firstly, I'm not converting to MYR. Secondly, holy hell; how in the world do you save $1500 in a fortnight's salaray?!?! I would probably need to save for 2 months to buy that and I'm not on a fresh grad salary.

Yeah, B&M shops are trying to get that law pushed through but it won't make a huge difference. People will just buy in smaller packages and pay a little more for postage. It'll still be a lot cheaper than Australian retail.

But seriously whoever thinks that Australia is a bed of roses, you really should think twice. Cost of living here is pretty high. Yes, you have better buying power but that is if you convert the saved money and go overseas. From personal experience, public transportation isn't cheap, retail products are cheap either, gas & electricity definitely not cheap, petrol not cheap, parking super expensive, tax is high and so many other things I could say. But I like the lifestyle here, so you've got to make sacrifices. I definitely earned and saved a whole lot more in Singapore than I do now.

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post Dec 18 2012, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Dec 18 2012, 07:35 AM)
i'm not saying i can save $1.5k per fortnight. what i mean was $1.5k per fortnight is like $40-50k per annum which is normal for fresh graduate. let's say you earn $3k a month and after the rent and bills, you still can save at least $1k per month.
EDIT:Sorry, i should say that you can get the TV with fortnight salary(not save) compare to 3 months salary in malaysia

electricity is high but it comes in every 3 months(usually). carbon tax certainly increased another $100. i'm not sure how it works in singapore but i don't think you have some sort of EPF if you are not PR in singapore.
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Ah ok, fair enough. Hahaha. In Singapore there's CPF, but if you aren't a PR there; some companies give it as an added cash component. However, that's additional taxable income of course.


Added on December 18, 2012, 8:11 am
QUOTE(annielee @ Dec 18 2012, 07:52 AM)
since you are staying here in Oz, im sure you are enjoying.. i mean in terms of buying power.. you dont have to save few months salary (back in MY) to get branded stuff.. like for myself, i need to think twice to get an expensive bag in MY, here i dont really need to do that..and its affordable..and im not converting at all.. stopped converting when u r in a foreign country when u r earning there..

- public transport to me is cheap, im paying $115 for 4 weeks in Melb Zone 1, unlimited access to bus, tram and train for 4 weeks..
- electricity comes every quarter, and my bill is about $450 and divide by 3months, about $100+ monthly which is almost the same back in MY (my electricity bill is RM100+ per month in KL)
- parking it really depends, i work in CBD, i can park for $14 whole day on early bird rate.. (enter by 10am exit after 4pm)
- petrol depends on which day u pump, its cheaper on wed/thur as suggested by locals here..but it also depends..
- tax is high, i agree, but at least u can see something being done by the government, which is better than MY.. (i cant give u examples, as i dun see anything significant that benefits me yet, but for families with kids, they do get benefits)

yes, i agree, dun expect bed of roses here in Oz, i do have friends that suffer and went back.. if you are single and already have a stable job and good income in MY, you will def suffer here, but if you move due to kids education, then its a different story, coz u will sacrifice so ur kids got better education, and ur family will have benefits..

btw.. i can save $1.5k fortnightly..but im not doing that every fortnight, coz im spending more coz stuff are cheap here :-)

just my own experience...
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Well, I don't know about that. I still think 2-20 times before getting anything expensive here. Hahaha.

I guess in general Melbourne's cheaper than Sydney. A monthly train ticket in Sydney is generally between $95-$120. If you want unlimited access then it's around $164-$194. And that's only calculating suburbs relatively near the CBD.

Early bird parking is generally ok but on-street parking in the city can be between $2.50 to over $5 an hour depending on location. Petrol hardly ever goes down consistently on Tues-Thurs anymore. At least that's what I see here. It's averaging around $1.32-1.38 nowadays but 1 day I saw it jump up to $1.58.

Taxes paid are being used to support lazy jobless people who purely rely on doe. I've got no issues with government helping families/people in need but some bogans here purely rely on the doe and for that reason, don't bother getting a job.

Wow, you are really good to be able to save $1.5k fortnightly. Well, technically I save about as much monthly $2k-$2.5k but about half of that is set aside for my parents =)

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