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post Feb 8 2012, 07:26 PM

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It's all about being able to secure a job. I do wish to point out that you need a few things before you can look for a job:
- Good command of English
- Familiar with local industry procedures, best-practices, markets, etc. You need to show knowledge or some effort that you have done your research before you think you can just waltz into any job.
- Be BOLD! Australian culture wants you to speak up, be straight to the point. Not be typical humble Asian and wait for people to probe you. They want PROACTIVE people, not REACTIVE ones...

Anyway apply for the PR first! Without it really it is very very very hard to get a company to sponsor you. In Australia not like Malaysia (at least last time), easy to hire foreigner.

New system coming in July 2012. For some it may still be in time to start now. Do get started ASAP to get in before it gets tougher!! I spent money and used an agent so at least I don't get delayed due to my work(s)...
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post Feb 10 2012, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(ryei @ Feb 9 2012, 07:00 PM)
Hi guys,

I'm new to this thread, hope can find someone to answer my few questions regarding getting a job in Australia.

I am graduated from RMIT University in Melbourne (it was a 2+1 twinning program). Yup, I spend 1 full year in Melbourne. After I graduated, I came back to KL to work. Now I got 3.5 years working experience in Banking line.

I got an elder brother who stay in Perth for 10 years already. He is currently an engineer at KBR (an engineering firm), and of course he and his wife is a PR there.

I'm thinking of going to Perth to work since my brother offer me to stay with him at the beginning. But he says it will be better to apply for PR first before go to Perth in order to get a decent job.

Alright here comes my question:

a) Is it possible for me to apply for Australia PR with my current situation?
b) where can I apply it? if via agent, will it be pricy?
c) Anyone here working in Banking line in Australia/Perth? is it hard to get a job in Australian Bank such like Common Wealth & ANZ?

really appreciate your input/comment.

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Hey Ryei, check with an agent first. I find that the easiest way to find out your options. They usually don't charge anything for a consult.

Best wishes,
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post Mar 6 2012, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(Raitama @ Mar 4 2012, 02:01 AM)
got recruiter from aus contact me ask me interview for a position, they said willing to sponsor me visa. want to check how does the visa work? how long i need to work there to be eligible for PR so I can set up my own company in aus? thx
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Hi Raitama,

Great for you! Based on the IMMI website the work visas take 2-4 months... =)


Added on March 6, 2012, 10:59 am
QUOTE(Jewelgal @ Mar 3 2012, 08:27 PM)
hi all, I would like to know is the IT industry in Australia still in demand? I have 2.5 years experiences in web applications development (using .Net) and 1 year experience as DBA (MSSQL). Also, I would like to know whether there is any possibility for me to move into BI field?

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I had small chat with my agent a couple of weeks back and apparent melbourne still has need of ICT professionals. Just last week they posted a link about ACT needing IT professionals... you can follow the news on their FB page..

i think IT is easy to move since it's the same anywhere... but like marketing, accounting and others you need to learn how the market works first..


Added on March 6, 2012, 11:01 am
QUOTE(ch1ng @ Mar 3 2012, 05:12 AM)
Hi , i'm wondering if australia is in demand of finance ppl (audit or tax) ? Im currently an ACCA fresh graduate .
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You will be trying to apply without a PR? I think would be hard.. i have frenz who spent 4-5 yrs in big 4 also can't get a transfer to Aust.. but if you have PR first then it's different...

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post Mar 12 2012, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(Jewelgal @ Mar 7 2012, 09:32 PM)
Hi, thanks for the sharing of info. may I know the agent that you mentioned is a job agent? If yes, I would like to have his/her contact. Thank you.
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hi Jewelgal,

No i got the news from my migration agent.. =)


Added on March 12, 2012, 12:21 pm
QUOTE(annielee @ Mar 10 2012, 10:09 AM)
you are referring to the gsm (general skilled migration) ?
yes, i guess there are few of us who did.. including me.. but during my time the fees was A$2k instead..
if you wish to go thru this route, advise u to do it b4 july..as the rules will be tighten by then..
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Yea better apply before July... and quick!! bcoz you haf to take IELTS, assessments, etc before you can submit!!!


Added on March 12, 2012, 12:26 pm
QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Mar 10 2012, 08:54 PM)
Yup. That pretty much sums it up.
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I think culturally you really have to be different when you job hunt there.. i "see" the difference in what interviewers expect when looking for jobs in Australia. If you still have very asian way of thinking then maybe hard.. bcoz they prefer out-going, aggressive and direct people to work for them? We asians are thought to humble and soft spoken.. but they want you to tell them what you can do for them.. not wait them ask you what you can do... furthermore sometimes here we got relative/friend referral... so can get the job... laugh.gif

anyway if I am looking for jobs there I will just take whatever comes first, while continue to look for what i want to do.. i have many friends who are settling down there fine..


Added on March 12, 2012, 12:27 pm
QUOTE(extremepower @ Mar 10 2012, 03:31 PM)
Cut throat fee mate. Crazy. wink.gif

Damn, I should have applied earlier during my uni days in the 90s.

Any other ways? Suggestions? TA.
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Hahaha inflation mah.. so fees also go up.. i think ultimately the benefits (potential) outweighs the costs lah.. consider it an investment for my future...

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post Apr 9 2012, 04:23 PM

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Depends on what you are asking for?? biggrin.gif
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post Apr 15 2012, 06:09 PM

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I still think culturally we need to be very different when we are in Australia looking for work. You have to be aggressive, straight to the point and understand about the company and role you are applying for. Academically good ppl who have no good communication skills will not find it easy to look for a job in Australia?

Sponsored for work visa is great, where you have a job waiting for you and also you do not have to pay a high visa fee. However the work visa is temporary and contractually ties you to the company. You cannot change jobs, industry, etc. The work visa also will not have benefits like Medicare and subsidised education for your children.

So that's why i thot it is better to apply for PR on my own... gives me more options and weightage? Companies can hire me without applying for a work visa for me, if i fit their bill of corz.. =)
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post May 19 2012, 11:18 PM

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Having a job offer doesn't make applying PR easier.. furthermore having a work visa is only temporary.. and no PR benefits, cannot jump ship to other company... so that's why better to invest money to get the PR...
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post May 22 2012, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(doinkz_gaara @ May 22 2012, 12:15 AM)
Oh noes.

Looks like it's not that easy after all.

My job needs certain kind of skill, but I guess it's not niche. :'(
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Talk to an agent first to see what are the components you need to do the visa?? You can check out my agent if you want to. I am applying my PR with them. Migration Avenue - www.migrationavenue.com

I also thought about getting a work visa first (so at least got job waiting there mah), but after consulting and find out about the differences between work visa holder and PR holder, I think applying your own PR is worth the investment lah...
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post May 29 2012, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ May 22 2012, 07:39 PM)
can I know where and what company u working with? please pm me if you dont mind

holding TR currently and going to expired next year(1 year is not long) and looking for employer sponsorship :/
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You can extend one more year for the TR?? =)


Added on May 29, 2012, 4:54 pm
QUOTE(doinkz_gaara @ May 22 2012, 10:41 PM)
AH thanks!

So it's 457 Visa first. Went and checked the website, thank god my job and skills is in the list. biggrin.gif
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Most importantly is that you need to have the company WILLING, and also ELIGIBLE to be a sponsor. For example, if the company can sponsor you to get PR, then you mah can go work for ANYONE now?? So that's why I think most companies will only sponsor you for 457, and not to get PR...

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post May 29 2012, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(cheezzzz @ May 28 2012, 12:06 AM)
well i hate to burst your bubble but as long as we are not graduate from Deakin(KDU), Nottingham, UM, MARA, Sunway, Monash, Curtin, Swinburne - we are not in the list of recognised uni.

u ought to have a visa first and for fresh grad the cheapest is 476 visa. one of the requirement is that you graduate from one of the uni in the list. i graduate from utar in oct later this year. am already searching for a way to go aus.. and it has been rough so far haha!

all the best, not easy but I believe not tough either. you don't HAVE TO HAVE a visa, but without being a visa and without residing in aus while u apply for the job, your chances reduce by 90% in a way.. bcuz they will just say they cannot proceed further with your application as you do not live/work here.
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My agent showed me a website about an education database that shows what degrees from what uni are comparable to Australia unis.. maybe that will help in employment? If I were you I may include that as part of my CV to inform the potential employer that my school is a good/ok school.

Again i was in the same dilemma as cheezzzz... and after some thought decided to apply PR on my own first, THEN only apply for jobs...


Added on May 29, 2012, 5:05 pm
QUOTE(FirFir @ May 28 2012, 03:21 PM)
Is chef job still big demand in Australia?
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Chefs are required.. but tradespeople face difficulties in passing the skills assessment... and English test... =(


Added on May 29, 2012, 5:06 pm
QUOTE(jskf01 @ May 28 2012, 04:40 PM)
1k aud is cheap...i think u need minimum 2k if you wanna apply by urself without agent. if u use agent add another 1-2k
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i used agent... everything ard RM 20K.. LOL... i better earn back AUD 6000 to cover the costs... tongue.gif


Added on May 29, 2012, 5:11 pm
QUOTE(chrishung @ May 29 2012, 04:58 PM)
Thanks for the useful link, though it doesn't really apply to me. 475 is a state sponsored visa whereas 457 is employer sponsored, which means that WA will have an interest in keeping their beneficiary within the state. In fact, I have to do keep WA gov apprised every 6 months on my work and residential location. Once I transition to a PR though there will be no restriction and all benefits entitled to a PR (ie Medicare) will commence immediately since I will have fulfilled the 2 yrs residency requirement.
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Regional WA is big now with the mining boom I guess... but you can also move to other regional areas like Adelaide for example... because like what you said once you fulfill the 2 years stay in a regional area (not necessarily in the state that sponsored you) then you can apply for the PR ald..

Hope that opens up more possibilities for you?? =)

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post Jun 16 2012, 04:17 PM

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It's a good offer.. i think Tata has already highlighted a lot of things for you... even if buy new car or rent house also not a problem.. car is cheap there.. but parking in city is exp.. homes are cheaper also actually... if you compare dollar to dollar?? now wanna buy landed prop in klang valley 600K only can get.. Australia maybe 400K in suburbs can get liao?

I am worried about long term in Malaysia leh... politically we are in the middle and can go any direction... Cost of living is increasing.. (our meal prices are catching up to developed countries) but we don't have developed country work hours.. work like dog.. =)
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post Jun 18 2012, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(Jase @ Jun 17 2012, 10:20 PM)
Hi everyone, anyone know how is the SAP job market like in Melbourne now? Particularly SAP Basis...I have over 10 years experience and I am thinking of exploring Melbourne.
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SAP market is strong... according to Australia Computer Society and Hays Australia. But still I think you better apply for PR and then go there work lah... should be eligible... if you need to check eligibility PM me I will send you agency contact... =)
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post Jun 18 2012, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(echobrainproject @ Jun 18 2012, 12:40 PM)
how do i check eligibility?
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You can check with an agent also.. at least they will explain things clearly to you.. when i self assess at DIAC website and went through agent consult to reconfirm there was a bit of difference... in addition my agent gave me good background and overview of the job market also... that helped me decided a bit..
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post Jul 17 2012, 02:40 AM

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QUOTE(cheezzzz @ Jul 13 2012, 02:33 PM)
in a way they have made it so more people can apply but very very selective due to the new SkillSelect thingy. Points have been lowered from 65 to 60 though.

I got my work and holiday visa! Mad queue had people there since 830pm the night before lol!

anyways, there is such thing is an Overseas Graduate Visa for your case Riddhy.
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Hahaha good for you. Malaysia only has 100 allocation for WHV... hence the queue.


Added on July 17, 2012, 2:44 am
QUOTE(Riddhy @ Jul 15 2012, 02:17 AM)
Overseas Graduate Visa will it be easy for me to get jobs there ? as i am from marketing and management background. also i am not looking for PR actually just want to work 2 to 3 years is there any websites where i can get jobs in AU easily?
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If you have employer sponsored (work permit) that would be best. But depends whether companies like you or not...

There is also a graduate visa that is valid for 18 months after graduation...

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post Aug 23 2012, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(mark @ Aug 23 2012, 11:46 AM)
sifus! i'm applying for a PR under the new EOI system. have done my IELTS and such.

after doing the points calculation, i have 60 points (minimum requirement is 60 points). my agent is suggesting i should go with a state sponsorship since i'm on the borderline passing mark. apparently state sponsorship would be faster for my case (push my points up to 65) and since my skills are listed on SOL 1, it's best to apply for the faster route in case things get harder and harder in the future/my skills are not listed as high demand anymore.

problem is, state sponsorship costs AUD1200. so i'm wondering, is it really necessary to go this way? the cost is so high leh sad.gif
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You should apply for state sponsorship. The new system is a pool system like New Zealand. Applicants get picked based on points. So borderline is not enuff jor...

Heard from my agent that State Sponsored applications get selected immediately.. so definitely should get state sponsorship!! Your agent chard AUD 1200? my agent only RM 750.. icon_rolleyes.gif


Added on August 23, 2012, 1:07 pm
QUOTE(konichiwawa @ Aug 23 2012, 12:40 PM)
Dude, let's keep it real ok?

1. I know you want to come here on a visitor's pass while looking for a job. Yes, it's legal as long as you do not work. But do you know that (A) economy in Australia isn't great so companies are down sizing and not really employing (B) there are probably 5 other people who can do the same job as you do but with Australian PR/citizenship, why should they go through the hassle of getting you an Australia work visa when they can get 1 of them instead?

2. RM 3k per month = AUD 1k per month. Even if you share a room, I'll give it to you that you manage to find a place with $150 per week. A month that's $650. More than half your budget gone. Public transportation isn't exactly cheap for you to get around the city, what more business districts outside of the city centre. Cost of living in Australia is high. There's no RM 3.5 chap fan here. Let me give you best case scenario, budget $350 leftover divided by 30 days ok? You have $11.67 per day left on your budget besides rental. Split that by 2 meals you have less than $6 per meal. Possible, yes but definitely not very feasible.
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I think you can only do odd jobs on working holiday visa... heard Malaysia allocation is finished until July 2013.

Use RM to live in AUD is crazy lah... think about the exchange rate... but as someone mentioned the minimum wage there is effectively AUD 12-14 an hour.. so still can help a bit...

I think I told TSOM before... apply your PR first then only look for jobs there... it will be easier instead of knocking on ppl's doors asking them to sponsor you... i am afraid that put $$$ won't get job in the end but the way my agent put it... once you get PR you have 3 years before you must move over.. so i have 3 years to look for job in australia... should be enuff time... thumbup.gif

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post Aug 23 2012, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(konichiwawa @ Aug 23 2012, 01:14 PM)
Then you think wrong. You can work full-time on a working holiday visa but maximum contract period per employer is 6 months.
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Hahaha technically you are correct but companies won't hire you on contract basis... unless their projects really short term... or maybe you are IT..
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post Aug 23 2012, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(konichiwawa @ Aug 23 2012, 01:25 PM)
I have 1 friend in the advertising industry work for 2 separate employers during her 1 year working holiday visa. I also have another friend who is a civil engineer work 6 months for his employer while on a working holiday visa and then the employer applied for him a Work Visa after that.

Again, you are wrong. Please stop trying to share "advice" when you don't know about them. There's nothing worse than sharing wrong information to people.
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Wow don't be so offended my friend.. you got lucky friends, i got unlucky friends... so what's WRONG about sharing my side of the story?

I said technically you are correct, but practically not many companies offer temp positions... i never said you CAN'T work in the professional field ok?

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post Aug 23 2012, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(konichiwawa @ Aug 23 2012, 01:40 PM)
There's nothing wrong with sharing your experience. The problem is you didn't share your experience. Instead all you said was:
If you had said "based on experience, my friends who were here on working holiday visas couldn't get a job" or something along those lines, it's perfectly understandable. But by stating what you said, it's more like a matter of fact than it was a sharing of experience. I will agree that MOST companies will probably not prefer working holiday visa employees but I'm just sharing that it's not impossible.
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Hahaha you quote partial of my sentence only leh... what about the latter half?? go read it again please..

Anyway sorry to upset you lah.. just forget it.. forum is about sharing information.. dun like it just ignore it.. cool2.gif
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post Aug 23 2012, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(konichiwawa @ Aug 23 2012, 01:54 PM)
But not sharing wrong information.
Neither of my friends were on short term projects. They were both full time jobs no project based and neither were IT. All I'm saying is that if you want to share experience, please by all means share. It's great to share it with other people on the forum. On top of that, share your opinion by all means. However, if you want to make a statement of fact, then make sure it's accurate.

Edit: Apologies if I sounded harsh. No harm no foul. Cheers!
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No problem! thumbup.gif
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post Aug 27 2012, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Aug 24 2012, 02:43 PM)
you are lucky because of this changes. I finished my study 1.6 years and i can't get PR independently :/

most of my friends got it last year and the latest was 2 weeks ago. He has a family here with disabled daughter and were holding TR. he won't get a pr because of his daughter's case but he risked it and granted with PR after 2 months. he is now a happy man
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Hey i think if it's 4 semesters worth of study is ok.. if u came back Msia for holidays then yea u wud have been there 1.6 yrs maybe?


Added on August 27, 2012, 8:50 pm
QUOTE(ysc @ Aug 27 2012, 05:06 PM)
Hi guys, I've been turned down a couple of times during interview because I do not hold a PR/citizen status.
If I submit my EOI, would it be possible for my employer to specifically pick me?
In other words, sponsor me BUT not going through the employer-sponsored visa?
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Ever considered the graduate visa? =)

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