I see. Looks like its all the same.

Mind as well go through The Age job ads instead.

But if use Seek.com.au, would it disclose the location of the workplace? Lets say if I live in North Melbourne, I don't want to end up working in Ferntree Gully (close to Dandenong).

This post has been edited by Alvin330000421: Feb 14 2013, 12:53 PM

Accountancy..... Well, Big 4s have their own careers page. Hahaha. Maybe what I can suggest is that you tell us what industry you prefer to be in and people here might be able to help. If you are really keen on migrating to Australia, I'll give you the same advice I gave my friends. Get a job first, any job. I don't care if it's not what you want to do. As long as it pays well and it's along the lines of what you want to do, get it first and migrate here. A lot of local headhunters want to meet you in person, hence being here is important. Once you have a job here and have local experience, it'll be a lot easier to switch to the job that you want.

$8k is the very least that you will need. I've given you $250 a week for a room rental and the rest would be for food. If you want to have a semi-comfortable life then you'll need more. $10-12k would be a good indication. Hahaha. Rental in Perth is high, don't let that quiet lil place deceive you.

Really depends on your boss. Some bosses in my company are really flexible and understanding. 4PM on Fridays they head down to the pub for drinks together. While some are a lot more picky on your work hours. I have friends in the engineering field and they are doing well. 1 just made Manager after about 7-8 years working with them while the others are in senior positions.

Nopp, use Monster or Seek. They are a lot better than "The Age". Don't think anyone here really uses newspaper job ads. It's all online. Another word of advice, update your LinkedIn profile. If you don't have 1, create it right now.

Seek usually tells you location of the company. Like Western suburbs or CBD etc.

I am not eager to go back to auditing. Besides my corporate knowledge is very scrappy. I am more especialsed in plant, costing accounting. Yeah, I got that same advice too, get any job that comes along my way first. But how long I need to get that local experience? I am already a Manager here. Go there and demote myself to a clerk level? I feel like I am demoting myself, hard truth to accept.

I know a friend who was a manager in PWC, when he migrated to Sydney, after 6 years, he was still stuck in a one-man accounting job.

I have never seen $250 a week for room in Melbourne unless I am student and I agree to sleep in a domitory.

In Malaysia, I worked for an Australian boss, he is very pin tai. I recall, when I had a small disagreement with a colleague, and we shouted at each other, I accidentaly use a bad word. The next day, i was called in and given a warning letter. All the Malaysians hate him. He even hired a private investigator to investigate on one manager in Johor whom he suspected of cheating the company. Dunno whether could prove or not but eventually the manager was sacked. Because of this Australian MD boss, a lot of staffs who were disciplined for small offences, sue the company, so a lot of court cases. In my appraisal I also kena for messy workplace because I didn't arrange my files properly. Crazy !

This post has been edited by Alvin330000421: Feb 14 2013, 01:13 PM

Well, like I said earlier. If you aren't too keen on Australia and only want to further your career, then perhaps Australia's not the place for you. Australians value either experience with MNC or experience in Australia. So if you have neither than be prepared to be discounted. The question you need to ask yourself is what is more important, moving to Australia or a job? If a job is more important then don't even bother with Australia but then again, no hram trying.

I can understand why your friend is stuck in his job. Firstly, he left the Big-4. Once join the commercial sector you can no longer expect to be promoted every year or every 2-3 years for Manager. I will probably not be promoted any time in the near future because I don't see my Manager and Senior Manager leaving any time soon and there's no place for 2 managers or 2 SMs in my dept. Secondly, if he's in a 1-man accounting job then sorry; there's absolutely no potential for him to rise up. He's stuck there forever, even if he waits another 6 years.

There are, you just need to know where to look (http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Rent/Apartment-Unit-Flat/VIC/St-Kilda/?adid=8163835). Of course it's not easy to come by but there definitely are cheaper accommodation options out there.

Hahaha, you are unfortunate then. Don't generalise Australians because of 1 bloke. Most Australians are very easy going and are flexible as long as they get results.

This post has been edited by konichiwawa: Feb 14 2013, 01:36 PM

I have 6 years experience in MNC but they are all small MNC not the big ones like Shell or Nestle.

Not just one bloke, many blokes. My brother's girlfriend, she has been there for over 10 years, tells me a lot of nightmare stories of racism and politics at her working place, which is one of the Australian big banks.

Then another friend of mine, who went there to work as a lawyer, came back and tell me also a lot of nightmare stories or racism and politics.

Alvin, i think you have labelled negatively on Oz. Sometimes shit happens to everyone but not all.
If racism and politic issue has been commented badly, how bout malaysia? Publicise us as pendatang?
I think most working places do consist of racism, but i know 1 thing is that Oz government takes racism offence seriously. If really there's racism issue going on, just bring them to court or watsoever laws which they'd implemented. Their government going to give them kao kao!
I must say, who the hell country is giving this opportunities to open their door for all migrants to come in and share their welfare and resources in return forgiving your profession. I know just a few countries mostly western country.
MAlaysia is totally different story. Law is there but never enforced. Only MAlaysia Boleh. I hate to say this but it's true.
If let say a bangla who's a migrant in malaysia and become your subordinates, are you going to promote him/her to the management level? Just touch on our heart and say it. Oz might be the same but if you prove yourself good and real good, i think there's no reason why they won't promote and racist against you. Angmoh is simple and straight, if you're good, productive and efficient, i think they'll reward you well. Why? Coz my dad work in Shell, his superior is angmoh, always sending him to netherland and japan for training and got promoted.

This post has been edited by Nemesis1980: Feb 14 2013, 03:34 PM

Same lah. Back many years ago, when I was boarding the train line to Glen Waverley, a shirtless drunked Ozzy boarded the train (I think at Hawthorne-can't recall), he was looking around and he saw one indian guy sitting alone.

So the drunked white aussie guy sat next to the indian student and said "Hello, you black shit, I feel like punching you in the face". Then the indian student got off and walk off to the next coach. Lucky for him the drunked Aussie was too drunk to pursue him.

The Aussies are smarter than that, they don't show their racism outrightly at office. They just gang up on you and make you look incompetent thats all. Remember, working in Australia is not like in Malaysia, where we get a lot of protection, employer can only show you three warning letters, then domestic inquiry. Even then, you have high chance of winning the case at tribunal. In Australia, they don't like your face, also can sack you straight away, no thanks to John Howard's time, when he removed all the employee protection.

Then in Australia, the company perform a bit worse, start retrenching people, not like here in Malaysia. Like during the 2011 sub prime crisis, both my friend and his wife in Sydney was retrenched. At that time Australia's growth was like 6-7%, they just do a panic retrenchment.

I agree with you about our Malaysian policy, meriotocracy, contracts given to cronies. Yeah its frustrating being chinese and indian. But even the ordinary malays are not exactly getting everything they want. Most still work as waiters, factory workers, office boy, nurses, clerks, etc. Still, don't have to force myself to work for government or GLC. Still got MNCs to apply for job.

I was worst off than you, I took up a tough job and lets just say I was supposed to get cooperation from this bunch of what I call - the "majority people" who worked there for over 20 years, part of my SLA was to get them to perform well. I try to placade to them and I try to be nice to them but they just didn't want to work harder. To them, it was just do A, B, C then D, E and F is not my job. So I kena from my boss kao kao because of them, and I was forced to resign when my appraisal was not favorable. You see, how disappointed I was?

At that time I got so angry and decided to apply for PR. I was thinking how could this bunch of majority people treat me like this, after what I've done for them?

And it was then I visited Australia, I heard so many bad stories from my friends, looks like problem is always universal, can't run away from it. I wish the situation here could change. the mentality of some people would change for the better of the nation.

Yeah, I am not happy with the state of our nation here. But I ask you this? Do you think migrating to Australia will improve your situation better than had you stayed in Malaysia?

Do you think you are jumping from a hot boiling pot into a pan of hot frying oil? OR a hot boiling pot into a patch of comfortable green grass?

1) Away from your family
2) Demoted to junior level
3) Are you able to prove it you can do the job better than the whites?
4) The pay you earning there makes it worthwhile to stay there?
5) Culture and food different
6) Take up substandard jobs, meaning you won't be doing the the kind of job you like doing

This post has been edited by Alvin330000421: Feb 14 2013, 03:58 PM

i love oz and their lifestyle.. i just worry i cant find a job there..
i think all my cpa experience here counts for nothing when i move over.. ahh.. anybody know any headhunters in aus?

Have you gotten a PR. No PR no talk.
Headhunter also cannot help you

I won't say Oz is a paradise. Each country has their problem to tackle. For me, i think i really need to jump to other country for the reason of corruption. In my past 10 years working here, i really had enough on our country policies and corruption. Construction industry here is the most obvious than any other industries.
Retrenching staff is a normal step in each company. Stay competitive will be the only way to assure your courier. I won't see this as racism unless there is some extraordinary issue going on.
I guess if you're in my shoe, i think you'll giving different comment

so what late, boss still sayang me. you should tell them work hours are flexible here. go late, leave late. managers in malaysia are not managers. they don't deserve me respect just like the politicians.

This post has been edited by pcychen72: Feb 14 2013, 06:51 PM

does japanese count as chinaman company? no overtime reimbursement for working on weekends or time in lieu. what Fed up system is that?

clearly the system is so wrong in malaysia. managers paid like celebrities but brain work like a...i'm speechless.

HAhaha......well said!

You've obviously not worked anywhere else It's the same in many other places in the world.

For those who are applying through skillselect, Independent (Migrant) Visa (subclass 175) after May 2012.
and you have gotten this visa from Malaysia.

I got a question, how many years for granting yourself a better stance in getting this?

minimum threshold and signatory by your parent company from your bosses.
with qualification that falls under washington accord(WA) category and skill assessment stage 2 engineers australia for engineers

or you guys go through Hays Australia (recuritment agency)?

This post has been edited by Stefanov: Feb 15 2013, 01:45 PM

As stated earlier, don't let 1 or 2 experiences generalise all Australians for you. It's no surprise that racism is a problem here but not only for Asians. For middle easterns, aboriginals etc it's all the same. Racism is a problem everywhere, even in Malaysia so that's nothing "new" there.

I don't see this happening in my current company. I think you are just thinking the worse of Australia and have no actual knowledge of the situation. HR here take discrimination in any forms very seriously. While Australians are not as bad as Americans, they will still go to the court over anything that they feel has gone against them. So most HRs here would want to nip the problem in the butt first before it goes out to public. I know the department at my company who deals with internal complaints and they definitely do take these kind of cases very very seriously. A lot of effort is taken to gather evidence and to understand the situation properly. My company also has a "warning" system. An employee would need to be put on a "program" to improve their performance first before they can be sacked.

Retrenchment is happening everywhere. In Europe, America and even in Singapore. And seriously, you think that the very first option for companies here to save money is to retrench staff? Retrenchment is usually done because they need to re-org or restructure because there are too many redundant roles in the organisation. Either that or they are out-sourcing certain functions. I definitely don't think it's a panic retrenchment. At least not for the bigger companies.

In the end, what I'm trying to say is that everything you've mentioned is happening everywhere in the world. Just because you don't know people who have had that experience doesn't mean it's not happening. There's nothing great about working in Australia, but there's nothing terrible like what you have mentioned as well. Just like the same as working in Malaysia, Singapore, London etc., you will definitely get your pros and cons. If you have so many ill feelings towards Australia in general, don't bother coming here. You will only make yourself feel miserable.

oh right, we have another accusation made by some prophet....

yeap just gotten my pr recently thru skillselect .. i was surprised it came so fast
haha..u have any headhunter to intro??
im an accounting n finance graduate with CPA .. (i think the streets are filled with us lol)

This post has been edited by johnny82: Feb 15 2013, 10:29 AM