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This post has been edited by jae: Sep 11 2011, 09:45 PM

I do not think this is applicable in an MNC.

Generally MNCs follow a strict process such as -

1) All resumes must be reviewed by staffing, suitable candidates will be presented to hiring manager for further review, any dispositions of resumes must have the reason documented.
2) Shortlisted candidates are interviewed. Interview consists of at least 2 managers.
3) Observations and results are documented and filed by staffing.
4) If the hiring manager personally knows the candidate, the hiring manager has to excuse himself/herself from the decision making process (but not neccessarily the interviewing process).

Same with where I am at.
Since the work at my place is technical, peers and not just managers are also involved in the interview process.
You will actually need to know a lot of people to get in due to "relationship".

Folks will also need to recuse themselves if they know the candidate.

That may be true, but from my opinion, that way it's is not very effective.
I still think it's best to leave 75% of the decision to the hring manager, except on cost related issues. The committee can set a list of objective benchmark (education, experience, etc), while the subjective let the hiring manager decide.

The most important is the supervisor and the new staff 'click' and able to work together. If they perform, it will be good for the company. If they dun, the supervisor will be responsbile, for the whole team, cos he select he's own staff.
If the committee makes all the decision, while the hiring manager just give 10% of the decision, and he/she have to put up with someone he/she clearly cannot work with, the team as a whole will not be effective. Yet, it's unfair for him/her to be blame for poor perfromance of the new staff, which cos the whole dept under perform.

Unless they wana avoid fraud, then this hiring process might be a way of deterrent. But if not for this reason, I dun see any other reason.

I cannot comment for your company but from where i come from, ultimately the responsibility of performance (whether for the supervisor or his subordinates) falls firmly on the shoulders of the supervisor himself. Therefore he is given the opportunity to hire his own staff with the implicit understanding that he (and his team) will deliver the promised results. HR's involvement is purely customary.

OK guys, I did some research on hr consulting firms. Seems like all prefer at least a couple years of relevant working experience. Should fresh grad apply for job adverts that stated they need working experience? Or no chance at all?

My suggestion is this....
Find a job locally and start gaining experience. Over the period, continue to update your resume and continue sending. You might get lots of rejection and unsuccessful interviews but keep trying. Also, from my personal experience, going for interview is also considered as an experience itself. You will need to fine tune your answer and I believe with a lot of effort, you will be there.



Also, based on my experience, normally the HR consulting firm will side the company instead of the candidate. So maybe you can start to work from that angle. No worry, I think you are ahead of a lot of people who just wish but do not try. Job hunting is a lot of hard work.....

This post has been edited by L7Awesome: Sep 12 2011, 02:26 PM

What is the chance than other applicant have working experience that they specificaly stated?

Logically, they will take those with experience, then local fresh grad with same quality then you if the position is still available.

But no one is stopping you from applying those jobs.

SHIT, just heard my friend said that his company today is free half-day because of moon-cake festival.

no need to jealous, Chinaman co

hi guys..i had been called for an interview by IT company at Singapore..but the problem now, I don't know whether i can secure the job or not..i don't want to waste my time and money go to Singapore and interview for nothing.. i asked the expected salary and the JD but he did not replied my request instead just asked me to asap go interview there..please advise..

bro if really waste time and money,
can u share where is this job
i see some guy willing to come from from east malaysia leh

Bro if you can't sacrifice a bit then no job for you. Companies won't simply tell you the salary unless you go interview.

Put it this way lah. If you do not go, then you definitely will not secure the job. If you go to the interview having done your homework beforehand (research the company, prepare your portfolio, update resume etc etc), then you will have a fighting chance.

Also, don't inquire the expected salary too early. You will come across as a bit shallow.

im still in my final sem bro..final exam is nearby, money also just enough for for me..that why i need to ask ur advise la.

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Added on September 12, 2011, 4:26 pmyeah i know that..we must sacrifice in order to gain something..but i feel worried laa..

This post has been edited by reinforcism: Sep 12 2011, 04:26 PM

It's like this...if u don't go for interview...do you think they'll even hire you?
Example of this simple analogy....u wanna kena Toto/4D...but u don't buy number....so you think you will have a chance/probability to even win?

they won't disclose the salary unless they find u suitable for the job.

u can share with us wat job title u interviewing for maybe some one here knows the rough salary for the position

thanks for the advise.. but i dont know why they want to interview me asap la.. i want to extend the interview date also quite hard..

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Added on September 12, 2011, 4:30 pmthey told me its a desktop support role.. maybe something like a helpdesk..

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Added on September 12, 2011, 4:31 pmyes..i admit..you are absolutely correct..

This post has been edited by reinforcism: Sep 12 2011, 04:31 PM

desktop support shd be ard S$1500-S$1800 for fresh graduate

Haven't graduate hor? Chill la bro focus on what you have to do now and take your time to find a job once you have graduated.

No one lies on their deathbed wishing they have worked a little bit more.