Working in Singapore v8, Tan vs Tan vs Tan vs Tan
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 Sep 11 2011, 12:47 PM
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QUOTE(rickysim84 @ Sep 11 2011, 08:04 AM) hey there, i am from sarawak too, now working in singapore. During my job hunt, i do feel that east malaysians are having hard time getting a job in singapore. Hey. You just recently secured a job or have been working there for a long time? BTW, how long it took you to find a job there? Where did you stay during your job hunt? This post has been edited by seanwc101: Sep 11 2011, 12:54 PM |
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Sep 11 2011, 12:59 PM
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QUOTE(seanwc101 @ Sep 11 2011, 12:47 PM) Hey. You just recently secured a job or have been working there for a long time? I just work for like 2 years. But for tat 2 years, it is tough for me to get a job. Unlike west Malaysia, u can send resume from west malaysia then come singapore for interview. But for me, no matter how much resume i send out from east malaysia, i just dont get a reply until i decide to come to singapore to actually look for job there.BTW, how long it took you to find a job there? Where did you stay during your job hunt? |
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Sep 11 2011, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE(seanwc101 @ Sep 11 2011, 01:00 AM) Heck, future jobs seekers got affected by those "unskilled workers" attitudes. That ain't fair I feel it's not our East Malaysians who are the issue. But the millions of "new" ones ie. the Muslim/Malay Filipinas and Indons given ICs and passports by the govt to dilute the non-Malay, non-Muslim majority there. Just my hunch, but I think the SG govt got a lot of redflags for extremist or radical links when they finally ran detail screening on them. So they blacklisted the entire geography.In your application, I'd reckon you should be very detailed on your background and family history (ideally Chinese, non-Muslim, mainstream educated). |
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Sep 11 2011, 01:39 PM
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QUOTE(rickysim84 @ Sep 11 2011, 12:59 PM) I just work for like 2 years. But for tat 2 years, it is tough for me to get a job. Unlike west Malaysia, u can send resume from west malaysia then come singapore for interview. But for me, no matter how much resume i send out from east malaysia, i just dont get a reply until i decide to come to singapore to actually look for job there. I see. So when you finally went to SG, how long it took you to get a job? My bro worked in SG before and he also went there to find a job. I'm worry if I go there next year but can't find a job. QUOTE(seantang @ Sep 11 2011, 01:07 PM) I feel it's not our East Malaysians who are the issue. But the millions of "new" ones ie. the Muslim/Malay Filipinas and Indons given ICs and passports by the govt to dilute the non-Malay, non-Muslim majority there. Just my hunch, but I think the SG govt got a lot of redflags for extremist or radical links when they finally ran detail screening on them. So they blacklisted the entire geography. In your application, I'd reckon you should be very detailed on your background and family history (ideally Chinese, non-Muslim, mainstream educated). Thanks for the tips but what I should write about the family history in my resume? Do you think Malaysian Chinese has better opportunity to get a job in SG? |
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Sep 11 2011, 01:42 PM
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Sep 11 2011, 01:51 PM
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QUOTE(seanwc101 @ Sep 11 2011, 01:39 PM) I see. So when you finally went to SG, how long it took you to get a job? My bro worked in SG before and he also went there to find a job. I'm worry if I go there next year but can't find a job. it took me 2 months just to land on a job. Because my friend advice me to go singapore hunt for job rather than sending resume from sarawak.Thanks for the tips but what I should write about the family history in my resume? Do you think Malaysian Chinese has better opportunity to get a job in SG? Also, for sure Malaysian chinese will have a better opportunity to get a job.  |
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Sep 11 2011, 02:05 PM
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QUOTE(rickysim84 @ Sep 11 2011, 01:51 PM) it took me 2 months just to land on a job. Because my friend advice me to go singapore hunt for job rather than sending resume from sarawak. Also, for sure Malaysian chinese will have a better opportunity to get a job. I think 2 months sound like fine as long as finally secured a job. Come to think of it, maybe if we send resume from sarawak, the recruiters might assume it will waste their time because need to wait us to go there for interview. So they prefer those who stay in SG. |
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Sep 11 2011, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE(seanwc101 @ Sep 11 2011, 02:05 PM) I think 2 months sound like fine as long as finally secured a job. Come to think of it, maybe if we send resume from sarawak, the recruiters might assume it will waste their time because need to wait us to go there for interview. So they prefer those who stay in SG. ya true. normally they will ask u for interview asap, they can't wait for that long just for u to arrive singapore then interview. |
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Sep 11 2011, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE(Mackiddo @ Sep 10 2011, 12:29 PM) you still need to have a fast Internet connection to use skype and that cost money. My dad uses streamyx 1mb line and i can webchat with even on that speed. Come on lar, even your mobile broadband is much faster then that and cheaper too.And i thought i was stingy with money. This post has been edited by crapp0: Sep 11 2011, 02:42 PM |
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Sep 11 2011, 02:46 PM
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This was posted less than 2 weeks ago on Linkedin. If you ever wanted to work in Google, this is your chance.
Financial Analyst - Singapore Google - Singapore This position is based in Singapore The area: Financial Planning and Analysis » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Sep 11 2011, 03:38 PM
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QUOTE(seantang @ Sep 11 2011, 02:46 PM) This was posted less than 2 weeks ago on Linkedin. If you ever wanted to work in Google, this is your chance. To be honest, to join these kind of companies, u need to have some sort of relationship to the staff in there. Either the Finance Manager or Financial Controller knows your performance and attitude or your ex-peer/ex-classmate is your best friend who will recommends you directly.Financial Analyst - Singapore Google - Singapore This position is based in Singapore The area: Financial Planning and Analysis » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Otherwise, it will be really really difficult to join these sort of companies. At many of times, I see many applicants only manage to secure a position into a public listed company (not even the 30 Constituents Companies in the STI) or just a SME (especially those 1st timer Malaysians coming to Singapore to earn a living). It is like striking a Special price in 4D if you are able to join a MNC and a 1st prize in 4D if you are able to join Google, Facebook Inc, Shell, ExxonMobil, SPC, MAS etc. |
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Sep 11 2011, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE(Jurlique @ Sep 11 2011, 03:38 PM) To be honest, to join these kind of companies, u need to have some sort of relationship to the staff in there. Either the Finance Manager or Financial Controller knows your performance and attitude or your ex-peer/ex-classmate is your best friend who will recommends you directly. I don't believe so.Otherwise, it will be really really difficult to join these sort of companies. At many of times, I see many applicants only manage to secure a position into a public listed company (not even the 30 Constituents Companies in the STI) or just a SME (especially those 1st timer Malaysians coming to Singapore to earn a living). It is like striking a Special price in 4D if you are able to join a MNC and a 1st prize in 4D if you are able to join Google, Facebook Inc, Shell, ExxonMobil, SPC, MAS etc. They are quite clear on the profile of who they want. Most companies are much less descriptive with their JDs: 1. You are a top academic performer seantang: You should have a first class, distinction degree, scholarship etc. Something tangible that details your grades vs your cohort 2. with a wide variety of extracurricular interests and seantang: King scout, accomplished writer, state/national level sportsperson, actor, debater etc 3. the desire to excel in everything you do. seantang: IMHO, is how often you got promoted or increased responsibility in your previous work 4. can "crunch the numbers" one minute seantang: show technical experience 5. critically think through strategic issues.seantang: show business partnering experience 6. At least 3 years of analytical work experience, in consulting, investment banking or equivalent.seantang: already tells you exactly which sector they are looking to source from 7. Superior Microsoft Excel modeling skills (pivot tables, macros etc.) together with strong database experience (e.g. SQL, MS Access etc.)seantang: already tells you the exact technical skills they want IMHO, even if you know someone there, if your profile doesn't check off most of these tick boxes, you're not going to get in. On the other hand, if you don't know anyone but can check off most or all of these, you will get an interview. This post has been edited by seantang: Sep 11 2011, 03:50 PM |
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Sep 11 2011, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE(seantang @ Sep 11 2011, 03:48 PM) I don't believe so. No, if someone recommends you directly, ur chance for an interview will be increased tremendously.They are quite clear on the profile of who they want. Most companies are much less descriptive with their JDs: 1. You are a top academic performer seantang: You should have a first class, distinction degree, scholarship etc. Something tangible that details your grades vs your cohort 2. with a wide variety of extracurricular interests and seantang: King scout, accomplished writer, state/national level sportsperson, actor, debater etc 3. the desire to excel in everything you do. seantang: IMHO, is how often you got promoted or increased responsibility in your previous work 4. can "crunch the numbers" one minute seantang: show technical experience 5. critically think through strategic issues.seantang: show business partnering experience 6. At least 3 years of analytical work experience, in consulting, investment banking or equivalent.seantang: already tells you exactly which sector they are looking to source from 7. Superior Microsoft Excel modeling skills (pivot tables, macros etc.) together with strong database experience (e.g. SQL, MS Access etc.)seantang: already tells you the exact technical skills they want IMHO, even if you know someone there, if your profile doesn't check off most of these tick boxes, you're not going to get in. On the other hand, if you don't know anyone but can check off most or all of these, you will get an interview. You might fullfill all criterias above but no one knows your attitude, so to gauge an individual's attitude, the best is a recommendation by your former superior who was currently working in Google and he/she may know how suitable are you since both of you have been working together previously. PLUS: You wouldn't know that HR may needs to process up to 40 resumes a day for these kind of positions in this kind of well-known companies. |
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Sep 11 2011, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE(Jurlique @ Sep 11 2011, 04:22 PM) No, if someone recommends you directly, ur chance for an interview will be increased tremendously. Not if you don't meet the requirements in the first place.And let's be honest... for the type of profile that Google's looking for... there will be very few people who will happen to know someone suitable to be recommended, much less if they depend on recommendations from existing employees. That's why I believe for jobs like these, Google are actually looking for as many people to come forward as possible. About a year or two ago, Google was looking for a FP&A Director (probably the hiring manager for this role). I heard it was a S$350K job. They advertised repeatedly for 6-9 months. I think their standards were very high, and they stuck to it even though they obviously had a shortage of qualified candidates. This post has been edited by seantang: Sep 11 2011, 04:51 PM |
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Sep 11 2011, 04:33 PM
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QUOTE(Jurlique @ Sep 11 2011, 04:22 PM) No, if someone recommends you directly, ur chance for an interview will be increased tremendously. This I believe this is always true. Whether you're a good or a bad candidate, the chance to get interview and secure the job is much higher with the recommendation from someone working inside the firm. Just make sure that "someone" holds high position and influencial in the firm This post has been edited by seanwc101: Sep 11 2011, 04:40 PM |
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Sep 11 2011, 07:05 PM
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but I am not accepted at Pwc although I have someone there(s1) and the HR recruitment is from my univ. I am not accepted at KPMG although my cousin is working there. I am accepted by 1500 fortune MNC and work as project cost controller although I am a fresh grad and without knowing anyone there and they have to wait me for 2 months due to I was sending for project in other towns and need to serve 1 month notice.. dun believe what other says unless I am experiencing myself. |
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Sep 11 2011, 07:24 PM
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Would I safe to judge that it's higher chance to actually go sg and stay foe some time to search for jobs.
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Sep 11 2011, 08:50 PM
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QUOTE(Materazzi @ Sep 11 2011, 07:05 PM) ^ Did they recommend you to the person doing the recruitment? Are they hold higher position/influential in the firm?but I am not accepted at Pwc although I have someone there(s1) and the HR recruitment is from my univ. I am not accepted at KPMG although my cousin is working there. I am accepted by 1500 fortune MNC and work as project cost controller although I am a fresh grad and without knowing anyone there and they have to wait me for 2 months due to I was sending for project in other towns and need to serve 1 month notice.. dun believe what other says unless I am experiencing myself. My brother in law work in MNC and involve in the recruitment of new employees for the firm. Friends/family that want to work there can get recommendation from him and they got accepted for the job. Another case is in my faculty where the Dean always bring in their relatives to become a lecturer. Of course they have the qualifications but not sure how good they are. Talking about nepotism...haha. This happen in where I live and I can't generalised it in other country such as SG. In your case, you're able to prove to the company that they need you for the job. Congrats! Added on September 11, 2011, 8:51 pm QUOTE(fjoru103 @ Sep 11 2011, 07:24 PM) Would I safe to judge that it's higher chance to actually go sg and stay foe some time to search for jobs. Why do you think so? Just need some clarification on this because I'm just about to find job and don't know much.This post has been edited by seanwc101: Sep 11 2011, 08:51 PM |
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Sep 11 2011, 09:13 PM
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QUOTE(Materazzi @ Sep 11 2011, 07:05 PM) ^ From my experience, the only sure way of getting hired through network is that the hiring manager knows you personally. i.e. your future immediate boss.but I am not accepted at Pwc although I have someone there(s1) and the HR recruitment is from my univ. I am not accepted at KPMG although my cousin is working there. I am accepted by 1500 fortune MNC and work as project cost controller although I am a fresh grad and without knowing anyone there and they have to wait me for 2 months due to I was sending for project in other towns and need to serve 1 month notice.. dun believe what other says unless I am experiencing myself. That way even if you do not tick most of the box, at the end of the day, its the hiring manager (i.e. your direct supervisor) that has to make a decision whether he can work with you or not. The rest like HR, etc do not care. |
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Sep 11 2011, 09:41 PM
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QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Sep 11 2011, 09:13 PM) From my experience, the only sure way of getting hired through network is that the hiring manager knows you personally. i.e. your future immediate boss. This almost never happens where I am. Namely because it's never the sole decision of the hiring manager. For graduate hires, it's 99% of the time a committee decision... usually comprising the hiring mgr, 2nd level mgr, geographic manager and relevant business or functional manager. That's why it's never possible to hire a candidate whose profile doesn't tick all (or most of) the boxes. Someone's bound to question your judgement.That way even if you do not tick most of the box, at the end of the day, its the hiring manager (i.e. your direct supervisor) that has to make a decision whether he can work with you or not. The rest like HR, etc do not care. In fact the managers involved make it a point to remove themselves from the decision making process if they know the external candidate. I see very, very little "influence" being exerted for external candidates. The chances of being implicated in a 1800-Ethicsline free call is too great for any manager to risk. Nobody also wants to be left holding the baby/blame (as the guy who pushed for the hire) if the new hire turns out to be a failure. Where a lot of influence comes to bear is internal hires, role changes and promotions. This post has been edited by seantang: Sep 11 2011, 09:44 PM |
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