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izglory
post Dec 28 2011, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(Mowgly @ Dec 28 2011, 03:57 PM)
correct me if im wrong, but i thought that the only difference between a "dirty-bulk" and
a "clean-bulk" is the quality of food that is eaten and not the amount of calories consumed.

As far as i know, bulking or a bulking period simply means a period of time consuming a larger amount of calories more than maintanence level.
If your extra 500 calories above your maintenence level is from junk/fast food, then its a dirty bulk.
If its from a clean healthy gourmet (eg. lean grilled chicken/beef, veggies, healthy fats etc) then its a clean bulk.

my advice to McDbigMac, dont worry TOO much about the body fat percentage. What DL said is true, its harder to gain muscle at a BF % less than 10. Youre looking like youre around >14%. Concentrate on gaining as much muscle as possible with as little fat gain as possible. Dont worry if your BF% goes up 2-3%. but dont overdo it and let it go up 5-10%.

For what its worth, its easier to lose fats than gain muscle.
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Yes you are right, dirty bulk is referring to fast food, junk food and also the over-excessive calories, but even if you have a clean diet, consuming more than 700-800 more than your maintenance would also lead to the increment of bf%. Just that the calories are not as dense in a clean diet compare to those junk foods. So a dirty bulk is easier to be achieved unconsciously by eating those junk foods.

In my opinion,
Dirty bulk --> eating whatever you want without any calories tracking (mostly end up 800-1k of surplus)
Clean bulk --> calculating/tracking your macros (preventing one from overeating which leads to fat gain), it can also mean that one can eat a pizza as long as it fits his macro.

Correct me if im wrong.

This post has been edited by izglory: Dec 28 2011, 04:29 PM
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post Dec 28 2011, 04:57 PM

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thanks for the advise mind asking should i take supplements? i went to GnC shop and ask around they reco serious mass rather than optimum
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post Dec 28 2011, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(izglory @ Dec 28 2011, 04:21 PM)
Yes you are right, dirty bulk is referring to fast food, junk food and also the over-excessive calories, but even if you have a clean diet, consuming more than 700-800 more than your maintenance would also lead to the increment of bf%. Just that the calories are not as dense in a clean diet compare to those junk foods. So a dirty bulk is easier to be achieved unconsciously by eating those junk foods.
completely agree here.

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In my opinion,
Dirty bulk --> eating whatever you want without any calories tracking (mostly end up 800-1k of surplus)
Clean bulk --> calculating/tracking your macros (preventing one from overeating which leads to fat gain), it can also mean that one can eat a pizza as long as it fits his macro.

Correct me if im wrong.
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ummm... agree half half? haha. tongue.gif

Im not qualified anyway to say right or wrong, but by personal preference, when I eat clean, i reeaalllyyy eat clean. No sugar/carbonated drinks, no eating out, cooking in all the time, bake/grill/steam instead of fry. But thats just me.

QUOTE(McDBigMaC @ Dec 28 2011, 04:57 PM)
thanks for the advise mind asking should i take supplements? i went to GnC shop and ask around they reco serious mass rather than optimum
Firstly, how is your diet? the real food you eat daily.
are you eating enough protein/carb/fats?
is your daily calorie intake enough?

in my opinion, "a clean diet with enough amount of macronutrients (prot/carb/fats) and calories ALONE" is better than "a bad diet with low macronutrients PLUS supplements".

check in with your diet and training first, there's stickies here AND THEN think about supplements. i personally refer to www.tmuscle.com for all training and nutrition articles/info.
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post Dec 28 2011, 06:10 PM

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the scale measure it
the mirror estimate it
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post Dec 28 2011, 06:30 PM

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Breakfast - 6 spoons of oats, 2 slice bread with peanut butter spreading, cup of milk.

Lunch - Chicken breast*size of typical mamaks * with rice and vegetables sometimes add a fish.

4pm - 2 slice bread with peanut butter adding cheese, cup of milk

Dinner - Same as lunch

Supper - cup of milk and 2 slice of peanut butter with cheese.

Superb hard to maintain the diet man ._. Could only keep it like this for 3 - 4days per week. Lunch and dinner nowadays eat at home mostly.
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post Dec 28 2011, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(kevinwawa @ Dec 28 2011, 06:10 PM)
the scale measure it
the mirror estimate it
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so when the scale shows you to be sub 10% bf and you look like a famine victim at the mirror do you consider yourself:

a. ripped athlete and a chick magnet
b. skinny and needs to work out
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post Dec 28 2011, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(kevinwawa @ Dec 28 2011, 06:10 PM)
the scale measure it
the mirror estimate it
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i am going to be very very very blunt here. So bear with me. That must be the stupidest(relative) post I have EVER seen in here.
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post Dec 28 2011, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(izglory @ Dec 28 2011, 04:21 PM)
In my opinion,
Dirty bulk --> eating whatever you want without any calories tracking (mostly end up 800-1k of surplus)
Clean bulk --> calculating/tracking your macros (preventing one from overeating which leads to fat gain), it can also mean that one can eat a pizza as long as it fits his macro.

Correct me if im wrong.
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The basic idea of IIFYM(if it fits your macros) is that the body recognizes a calorie for what it is. It doesn’t care if you ate your low GI whole grained bread or box of cereal. A gram of carbohydrate is a gram of carbohydrate. This means that as long as you fulfill your minimum protein and fat requirement, you could fill the rest of the remaining calories with whatever you felt like eating and still be able to attain the body composition you desire.

i use this approach with nutritionally dense foods..try to go easy on the junk food like burgers and ice creams
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post Dec 28 2011, 07:34 PM

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after arms day:

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and since we are on the body fat topic, my caliper says i'm around 14%.




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post Dec 28 2011, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Dec 28 2011, 07:34 PM)
after arms day:

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and since we are on the body fat topic, my caliper says i'm around 14%.
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looking good bro! did you measured your arms currently?

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post Dec 28 2011, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(razorboy @ Dec 28 2011, 06:53 PM)
i am going to be very very very blunt here. So bear with me. That must be the stupidest(relative) post I have EVER seen in here.
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break ur record d
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QUOTE(kevinwawa @ Dec 28 2011, 08:09 PM)
break ur record d
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break my record? Man, you are one arrogant, ignorant, cocky fellow. So you can't back your words up here then you go meticulously search for personal records and then look for one and so that you can "break-a-record"? Justify your claim of

"the scale measure it
the mirror estimate it"

go ahead

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post Dec 28 2011, 08:59 PM

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i cant even break anybody's record there. huhuhu
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post Dec 28 2011, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Dec 28 2011, 07:34 PM)
after arms day:

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and since we are on the body fat topic, my caliper says i'm around 14%.
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gimme some mass >_<" 165cm 55kg
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post Dec 28 2011, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(razorboy @ Dec 28 2011, 08:53 PM)
break my record? Go DTP with me then tell me if u can go my record. Man, you are one arrogant, ignorant, cocky fellow. So you can't back your words up here then you go meticulously search for personal records and then look for one and so that you can "break-a-record"? Justify your claim of

"the scale measure it
the mirror estimate it"

go ahead
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ya break ur record
cuz u still replying my post
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post Dec 28 2011, 09:15 PM

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janson: Looking good janson. your arm are quite big ..

mave : really rip man biggrin.gif ..... can see veins
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post Dec 28 2011, 09:31 PM

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@janson, which caliper do u use to measure bf?
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post Dec 28 2011, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(mave222 @ Dec 28 2011, 09:00 PM)
gimme some mass >_<" 165cm 55kg
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actually, i'm about ur height and mayb around 8kg heavier than you. illusion, illusion.
QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Dec 28 2011, 09:15 PM)
janson: Looking good janson. your arm are quite big ..

mave : really rip man biggrin.gif ..... can see veins
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nola, cutting, have shrunk alot...
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post Dec 28 2011, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Dec 28 2011, 09:15 PM)
janson: Looking good janson. your arm are quite big ..

mave : really rip man biggrin.gif ..... can see veins
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not rip I'm skinny sleep.gifz eating a lots of Big Mac and subway bread now happy.gif
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post Dec 28 2011, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(mave222 @ Dec 28 2011, 09:34 PM)
not rip I'm skinny sleep.gifz eating a lots of Big Mac and subway bread now happy.gif
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why eat me jek haha
dude how old are you i same height just heavier 1kg how come your arms so ripped t.t weight lifting long already sifu?



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